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    what I would like to know



    this thread should be without theories about origin of people. it should be just what we would like to know....

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    1) what percentage of I2a-Din in Bohemia is I2a-Din south
    2) what is the percentage of I2a-Din in Sorbs (Wends)
    3) separate maps for J2a and J2b both for Europe and Asia
    4) separate maps for I2a-din south and I2a-din north
    5) separate map for R1a-M458 and R1a1*(xM458)
    6) percentage and maps of I2a-Din in Kurds and its spread in Asia
    7) split of I2a-Din in Kurds between I2a-Din south and north
    8) map of R1b in Asia and separate maps for different clades
    9) whether R1a M-458 can be found in middle east

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    Me too. Good questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by how yes no 3 View Post
    this thread should be without theories about origin of people. it should be just what we would like to know....

    let me start...

    1) what percentage of I2a-Din in Bohemia is I2a-Din south
    2) what is the percentage of I2a-Din in Sorbs (Wends)
    3) separate maps for J2a and J2b both for Europe and Asia
    4) separate maps for I2a-din south and I2a-din north
    5) separate map for R1a-M458 and R1a1*(xM458)
    6) percentage and maps of I2a-Din in Kurds and its spread in Asia
    7) split of I2a-Din in Kurds between I2a-Din south and north
    8) map of R1b in Asia and separate maps for different clades
    9) whether R1a M-458 can be found in middle east
    ))))) I'd like, too but it is impossible

    1) there's no official data yet, we can only guess
    2) there's no official data yet, we can only guess
    3) you have that kind of maps on many places
    4) I've seen only a map for Din-S made by data from FTDNA and y-search
    5) visit R1a page on FTDNA R1a project
    6) As I know, Kurds aren't I2a-Din
    7) as above
    8) They exist, you just have to search a little bit
    9) I'm not sure

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    I also want a separate map for J2a and J2b they are so different! You do not have a map called I or a map called R1!So please make a map J2a and J2b. It would also be nice to make separate maps for E-V13,E-V12 and E-V22. Then it would be clear.
    I guess 85-90% of the European J2 is J2a, but still it would be nice to see it in a map. J2b is seen in Western Balkans and India, while J2a is Levant,Europe and Iran.Lets separate them! Why there is no map, is is dificult to make or no time. It would be great! Kind regards!

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    Gosh pretty much nailed it regarding I2a-Din. The jury is still out on Haplogroup I in Kurds; the limited data, to me, suggests that they have more I1, I2a2a-Cont, and maybe I2c than I2a-Din, though. That may indicate East Germanic input (for the I1 and I2a2a-Cont), although I'm not familiar enough with Kurdish history to square that with any particular historical migration.

    As for J2a and J2b maps, I've had difficulty finding good side-by-side ones. I did find a decent one for J2b, originally from the M102 Project. The best I could find for J2a was posted by Dienekes here. Unfortunately, different scales, colors, and methodology makes them somewhat difficult to compare.

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    here's a site with a lot of good maps.

    http://gentis.ru/info/ydna-tutorial

    It is in Russian but you can find maps without problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by how yes no 3 View Post
    this thread should be without theories about origin of people. it should be just what we would like to know....

    let me start...

    1) what percentage of I2a-Din in Bohemia is I2a-Din south
    2) what is the percentage of I2a-Din in Sorbs (Wends)
    3) separate maps for J2a and J2b both for Europe and Asia
    4) separate maps for I2a-din south and I2a-din north
    5) separate map for R1a-M458 and R1a1*(xM458)
    6) percentage and maps of I2a-Din in Kurds and its spread in Asia
    7) split of I2a-Din in Kurds between I2a-Din south and north
    8) map of R1b in Asia and separate maps for different clades
    9) whether R1a M-458 can be found in middle east
    3) J2a is most frequent in the northern part of the Near East with moderate frequency in Europe and Central South Asia (among Iranians-Indo Aryans). J2b is present in Southeast Europe and India with some moderate frequency in northern Near East.

    6) It is not clear what kind of Haplogroup I is among Kurds because most studies did not go deeper into this. However there are two tested Kurds, one of them is I2a2a* (old I2b1*) and the other I1*.

    7) the same as above.

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    Map for R1a-M458

    m458.jpg
    Green pins – R1a-M458* (MRCA ~5000 bp)
    Purple pins – R1a-L260 (MRC ~ 3400 bp)
    Yellow pins – R1a-L1029 (MRC ~ 3200 bp)

    Red ellipse marks the zone of R1a-M458 biggest diversity.

    m458zoom(2).jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloomyGonzales View Post
    Map for R1a-M458

    m458.jpg
    Green pins – R1a-M458* (MRCA ~5000 bp)
    Purple pins – R1a-L260 (MRC ~ 3400 bp)
    Yellow pins – R1a-L1029 (MRC ~ 3200 bp)

    Red ellipse marks the zone of R1a-M458 biggest diversity.

    m458zoom(2).jpg
    It's interesting how it has a sudden dropoff once you get past East Germany. I suppose it's thought to have a correlation mostly with the West Slavs? I recall the FTDNA R1a Project suggesting so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    It's interesting how it has a sudden dropoff once you get past East Germany. I suppose it's thought to have a correlation mostly with the West Slavs? I recall the FTDNA R1a Project suggesting so.

    R1a-Z280 and R1a-M458 clades mixed in CE in very tricky way and this "dropoff past East Germany" is occupied mostly with R1a-Z280. It looks like there was migration of R1a-M458 people from South Poland or Czechia in East Germany.

    Distribution of R1a (Z280+ vs M458+) in Central and East Europe

    z280vsm458.jpg

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    I guess the same "dropoff past East Germany" we can see in case with I2a-DIN.
    blue pins - I2a-DIN-N,
    light brown pins -
    I2a-DIN-S

    I2a-DIN (N and S)1.jpg

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