Help in defining my R1b haplogroup

Results from using the GED's MDLP K=11 Oracle

1Mediterranean24.53
2Celto_Germanic21.91
3Iberian17.27
4Altaic_Turkic9.66
5Caucasian9.25
6East_European8.47
7Volga_Uralic2.79
8Uralic_Permic2.31
9Paleo_North_European1.95
10Paleo_Balkanic1.09
11South_Central_Asian0.76
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This is from the GED's EU test

SOUTH_BALTIC
6.15%
EAST_EURO6.00%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO16.72%
ATLANTIC25.72%
WEST_MED17.49%
EAST_MED10.45%
WEST_ASIAN2.34%
MIDDLE_EASTERN4.20%
SOUTH_ASIAN1.04%
EAST_AFRICAN1.49%
EAST_ASIAN2.57%
SIBERIAN5.23%
WEST_AFRICAN0.57%
 
GED Eurogenes K9b

Southwest_Asian3.16%
Native_American10.55%
Northeast_Asian0.40%
Mediterranean26.24%
North_European53.90%
Southeast_Asian2.62%
Oceanian0.88%
South_African0.54%
Sub-Saharan_African1.70%
 
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Anatolian Farmer
6.92%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer32.09%
Middle Eastern Herder6.76%
East Asian Farmer0.21%
South American Hunter Gatherer9.52%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer-
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer1.34%
East African Pastoralist2.34%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer0.48%
Mediterranean Farmer40.04%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer0.30%
Bantu Farmer
 
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There any reason why my highest results flip back and forth between Atlantic/Western European and Mediterranean?
 
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Nobody is able to help me?
 
Still no response? Hey is anybody here?
 
Amerindian9.54%
Arabian-
Armenian-
Basque5.10%
Central_African-
Central_Euro3.53%
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan2.06%
East_Central_Asian0.12%
East_Central_Euro0.63%
East_Med-
Eastern_Euro0.63%
Fennoscandian1.20%
French5.44%
Iberian26.23%
Indo-Chinese-
Italian13.77%
Malayan0.30%
Near_Eastern4.67%
North_African2.82%
North_Atlantic6.89%
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea7.66%
Northeast_African1.29%
Oceanian0.33%
Omotic-
Pygmy0.12%
Siberian0.57%
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese0.15%
Volga-Ural0.75%
West_African0.09%
West_Caucasian0.77%
West_Med5.33%
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Very similar to my Spanish (known genealogy till 18th century) friend's results except Amerindian component.
 
Kardu said:
Very similar to my Spanish (known genealogy till 18th century) friend's results except Amerindian component.
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What did your friend get? Yeah the Amerindian component is due to me being Mexican. I have strong ties to Spain from all parts of my family, my maternal grandparents' family were said to come only a few generations ago from the same town of Santander and only left due to the civil war. My maternal grandmother claims to be connected to Hernan Cortez through the Monroy line. Don't know much about my father's side other then great-grandfather being Mexican doctor who married a German woman (maybe Jewish). Either way it has been said that in both sides of the family mixed with the locals, can't say for sure what tribes but I wouldn't doubt its from a pueblo or mezo-american flavor.

Do you know any reason why my results would flip between Western European and Mediterranean Kardu? The Italian component common in many Spaniards? If it is common is it due because of a Italo-Celtic lineage or was it introduced by Roman conquest? Due to my R1b typing I would think it was the former yet again it could be both reasons. I was surprised that I was classified more Mediterranean then Celto-Germanic given that my father's side are nothing but red haired.
 
Here are her results. Her paternal side comes from Aragon and maternal - Andaluzia. I am not sure about the Western European and Mediterranean component issue, sorry :) And yes, Italian component shows up in other Spanish results as well.

Amerindian-
Arabian2.86%
Armenian-
Basque9.78%
Central_African-
Central_Euro1.85%
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan1.25%
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro3.71%
East_Med2.73%
Eastern_Euro-
Fennoscandian3.46%
French2.76%
Iberian29.95%
Indo-Chinese-
Italian14.61%
Malayan-
Near_Eastern-
North_African3.64%
North_Atlantic10.07%
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea6.91%
Northeast_African0.14%
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural0.29%
West_African-
West_Caucasian1.44%
West_Med4.54%
 
Thanks for the results Kardu. Its every interesting that her North Atlantic is higher then the North Sea component while in mine the two are flip
 
joechill01 said:
Thanks for the results Kardu. Its every interesting that her North Atlantic is higher then the North Sea component while in mine the two are flip
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Is there a reason for this? Like what would be a good interpretation of the data be?
 
joechill01 said:
Amerindian9.54%
Arabian-
Armenian-
Basque5.10%
Central_African-
Central_Euro3.53%
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan2.06%
East_Central_Asian0.12%
East_Central_Euro0.63%
East_Med-
Eastern_Euro0.63%
Fennoscandian1.20%
French5.44%
Iberian26.23%
Indo-Chinese-
Italian13.77%
Malayan0.30%
Near_Eastern4.67%
North_African2.82%
North_Atlantic6.89%
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea7.66%
Northeast_African1.29%
Oceanian0.33%
Omotic-
Pygmy0.12%
Siberian0.57%
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese0.15%
Volga-Ural0.75%
West_African0.09%
West_Caucasian0.77%
West_Med5.33%
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So what does it mean to have a higher or lower % of a particular country? Is the Iberian highest because four of my grandparents were Spanish or is it the most recent mutation? If it is the latter then is it possible to backtrack where my linage migrated from? The second highest is Italian so does it mean my haplogroup came to Spain from Italy and so on down the chart?
 
Because R1b-P312* is most frequent on the Iberian peninsula and parts of France; it's who your most similar to in your genetic composition.
 
It seems that the R1b-P312* and mtdna U5 together makes a more Spanish genetic composition.
 
joechill01 said:
Results from using the GED's MDLP K=11 Oracle

1Mediterranean24.53
2Celto_Germanic21.91
3Iberian17.27
4Altaic_Turkic9.66
5Caucasian9.25
6East_European8.47
7Volga_Uralic2.79
8Uralic_Permic2.31
9Paleo_North_European1.95
10Paleo_Balkanic1.09
11South_Central_Asian0.76
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Thanks for the help Adamo. So even with my R1b typing and my Spanish heritage, I have a closer genetic connection with Mediterranean people? This doesn't mean that I am Mediterranean but that my haplogroup is common among them, correct? So can this be explained by perhaps my ancestry originating from northern Italy where the R1b Celts dwell, which *I think* explains why I keep getting high Italian % because of P312 coming from an Italo-Celtic background. On the other hand Celts and Mediterranean people lived close together in Spain so can that be an answer as well?
 
No. You have a very Celtic/west European genetic profile; your P312* is indicative of CELTIC lineages found in Spanish, Portuguese and many French men (the y-DNA anyways). Look at maps of R1b S116*/P312*. Overall, any P-312 lineages are most frequent across Spain,Portugal,Ireland,France,Switzerland,northern Italy, few parts of England,Wales and Scotland that are NOT Germanic (they are Italo-Celtic)
 
Your U5 has been found in ancient sites across Spain/France as well I believe but is today according to modern frequency distributions considered more of a scandinanavian mtdna
 
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