Help in defining my R1b haplogroup

[Kardu]

Cool :) Any news from Squecco?

[joechill01]

Ftdna just told me my deepclade results won't come till December 17 and I'm already dieing of the wait...can anyone at least tell me if my dys value leans towards p312 or u106? I did the prediction and I got this

R1b-North/South 2 =>32% R1b-Leinster =>32% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-IrishIII =>2% R1b-Ub =>2% I-P37.2 =>1% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-C.Europe =>1%

as for my dys value they are as followed:
DYS393-13
DYS390-24
DYS19**-14
DYS391-11
DYS385-12-14
DYS426-12
DYS388-13
DYS439-12
DYS389i-15
DYS392-13
DYS389ii***-31

[zanipolo]

Ftdna just told me my deepclade results won't come till December 17 and I'm already dieing of the wait...can anyone at least tell me if my dys value leans towards p312 or u106? I did the prediction and I got this

R1b-North/South 2 =>32% R1b-Leinster =>32% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-IrishIII =>2% R1b-Ub =>2% I-P37.2 =>1% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-C.Europe =>1%

as for my dys value they are as followed:
DYS393-13
DYS390-24
DYS19**-14
DYS391-11
DYS385-12-14
DYS426-12
DYS388-13
DYS439-12
DYS389i-15
DYS392-13
DYS389ii***-31

Haplogroup Probability
R1b1b2-M269 58%

[joechill01]

Haplogroup Probability
R1b1b2-M269 58%

ftdna confirmed that r1b1b2 is indeed my haplogroup but I'm interested on the subclade that I might fall into. Does the information I posted help in anyway?

[zanipolo]

ftdna confirmed that r1b1b2 is indeed my haplogroup but I'm interested on the subclade that I might fall into. Does the information I posted help in anyway?

R1b1a2 (R-M269)

R1b1a2 (2011 name) is defined by the presence of SNP marker M269. R1b1a2* or M269(xL23) is found at highest frequency in the central Balkans notably Kosovo with 7.9%, Macedonia 5.1% and Serbia 4.4%.^[7] Kosovo is notable in also having a high percentage of descendant L23* or L23(xM412) at 11.4% unlike most other areas with significant percentages of M269* and L23* except for Poland with 2.4% and 9.5% and the Bashkirs of southeast Bashkortostan with 2.4% and 32.2% respectively.^[7] Notably this Bashkir population also has a high percentage of M269 sister branch M73 at 23.4%.^[7] Five individuals out of 110 tested in the Ararat Valley, Armenia belonged to R1b1a2* and 36 to L23*, with none belonging to subclades of L23.^[29]
European R1b is dominated by R-M269. It has been found at generally low frequencies throughout central Eurasia,^[24] but with relatively high frequency among Bashkirs of the Perm Region (84.0%).^[3] This marker is also present in China and India at frequencies of less than one percent. The table below lists in more detail the frequencies of M269 in various regions in Asia, Europe, and Africa.
The frequency is about 71% in Scotland, 70% in Spain and 60% in France. In south-eastern England the frequency of this clade is about 70%; in parts of the rest of north and western England, Spain, Portugal, Wales and Ireland, it is as high as 90%; and in parts of north-western Ireland it reaches 98%. It is also found in North Africa, where its frequency surpasses 10% in some parts of Algeria.^[30]
From 2003 to 2005 what is now R1b1a2 was designated R1b3. From 2005 to 2008 it was R1b1c. From 2008 to 2011 it was R1b1b2.

M269	still un-defined R-M269* (R1b1a2*) L23 still un-defined R-L23* (R1b1a2a*) L150 still un-defined R-L150* (R1ba2a1*) L51/M412 still un-defined R-L51*/R-M412* (R1b1a2a1a*) P310/L11 still un-defined R-P310/L11* (R1b1a2a1a1*) U106 R-U106 (R1b1a2a1a1a) P312 R-P312 (R1b1a2a1a1b) R-L277 (R1b1a1a1b)

You have to pay for a SNP test.

I suggest you join a project team, and they can suggest one for you.

[joechill01]

Just got an email back from Squecco, I got (R-M269 L52+)

[sparkey]

Just got an email back from Squecco, I got (R-M269 L52+)

L52 is in the same location on the R1b tree as L11. You can find L11 on Maciamo's tree here or on the ISOGG tree here. Still not very specific... you haven't tested P312/S116 or U106/S21?

[joechill01]

Just got an email back from Squecco, I got (R-M269 L52+)

What would that make me? I ask because I read that the highest percentage of m269 can be found with the bashkir people, 84% according to wiki but on the flip side 71% can be found in Scotland, 70% in Spain, 60% in France and a whooping 90% in north and western England, Portugal, Spain, Wales and Ireland but 98% north-western Ireland so pretty much Celtic areas which is common for r1b I believe.

So I ask what is L52 and what background does it hint to? I ask because I can find almost no information on it

[joechill01]

L52 is in the same location on the R1b tree as L11. You can find L11 on Maciamo's tree here or on the ISOGG tree here. Still not very specific... you haven't tested P312/S116 or U106/S21?

Thanks Sparky and I'm taking a deepclade test with ftdna which the results should come around dec.17 if that still counts as a p312 and U106 test

[Kardu]

According to Maciamo L11/S127, P311/S128, P310/S129 - Western Centum Indo-European speakers (Italo-Celtic and Germanic branches)

[joechill01]

Does anyone know how to interpret Y-DNA STR tests? I did a ancestral map with Ancestral Origins along a go and never gave it much thought (because my strength indicators are all over Europe I couldn't make much of it) so I went online and read that STR tracks recent ancestry but can help in predicting your haplogroup. So here's my target profile:

14/18 16/17 20/21 12/15 28/30 14/15 10/12 8/? 10/11 10/11 8/11 8/9 10/11

Also just a side question, the website gave me this as well:

Total number of people with a complete set of genetic data at the genes in your target = 4631 <----- does that mean I'm related to 4631 people? o.O

[joechill01]

So no help?

[joechill01]

well I was suppose to get my ftdna results yesterday but the people of ftdna told me that I needed another 3 week because they found another hit and need more testing, in their own words "Your sample requires more than the average number of rounds to complete this testing process.". Should I be worried that their yanking my chain? This wasn't the first time they pushed back the due date.

It is not bad for I did get some results which much to my surprise and new found celtic pride: Its turns out I am P312+ M269+ U106- L144- L1-, which is the opposite of what 23andme was telling me. This news makes me weary of 23andme.

[sparkey]

It is not bad for I did get some results which much to my surprise and new found celtic pride: Its turns out I am P312+ M269+ U106- L144- L1-, which is the opposite of what 23andme was telling me. This news makes me weary of 23andme.

That's an important start. Now it would be useful to know one step down from P312 (L21/M529 and S28/U152 are perhaps the most likely for you; DF27/S250 and L238/S182 are a couple of other possibilities).

[joechill01]

That's an important start. Now it would be useful to know one step down from P312 (L21/M529 and S28/U152 are perhaps the most likely for you; DF27/S250 and L238/S182 are a couple of other possibilities).

Thanks sparkey, anyway of predicting which one? I only ask since I would like to be able to tell my family something in christmas.

On r1b genetic page on this site, it says l238 is nordic, l21 north atlantic and s28 italo-alpine but no info on df27. Would df27 be iberian or gaulish branch of r1b?

[razyn]

Thanks sparkey, anyway of predicting which one? I only ask since I would like to be able to tell my family something in christmas.

In case you are still celebrating Christmas -- the R1b and Subclades haplogroup project at FTDNA has very recently been reshuffled in such a way that it's much easier to spot your matches, or near-matches, from their STR results -- and deduce your terminal SNP, or at least the one that would be the best bet for you to test next. Visit the project Results at this url (join it, if you have FTDNA test results) and reset the "page size" to display 2000 examples. That will be a large file, and might take a while to load. The people who match you most closely will probably have a SNP or three in common with you, more specific than P312.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ion=ycolorized

[joechill01]

My ftdna results finally came through. I am p312 with evevything else negative making me r1b1a2a1a1b. I apperticate any information such as who and what kinda people carried the gene, what region is the haplogroup from and where can you find the highest %?

I read that p312 have a high % in France and Spain is this true? I ask because evidence might point to my family having origins in either country or both due to my last name being found in both and my appearance (I get often mistaken for being French when I am in mexico even by real French people) so I hope all this adds up somehow

[joechill01]

any info on p312?

I was hoping to get some info if the carriers of this haplogroup, could they be Celtic Gauls or Iberian Celts?

[joechill01]

Hello everyone, I am R1b1a2a1a1b* p312/s116 and am going to order to test the z196 snp. I just wanted to know if I come positive for z196 would that hint to a Iberian origin? I want to really narrow down the large p312 cluster into a specific area and been given some snps by ftdna Z209, Z220, Z216, Z278, Z214 and M153. I know M153 is Basque origin but what about the other Z snps? Is it possible to separate them into Portuguese, Spanish or French and pin point what region my first ancestor came from?

[joechill01]

Hello everybody! I recently checked out 23andme's new features and will post my results. My haplogroup is P312* and I hope y'all be able to help me make sense of the data and how it ties to my ancestry.

(This is using 23's standard estimate feature)

87.9%


European



Southern European

20.0%

Iberian


0.7%

Italian


22.6%

Nonspecific Southern European






Northern European

1.2%

British and Irish


7.7%

Nonspecific Northern European




1.5%

Ashkenazi


34.3%

Nonspecific European




7.1%

East Asian & Native American

5.3%

Native American


1.8%

Nonspecific East Asian & Native American




0.1%

Sub-Saharan African


4.8%

Unassigned





My twin brother got a 0.3% for French and German while I got none. Our numbers change between the two and I know it must be the test itself but does that mean the % is simply misinforming and best taken with a grain of salt or is completely untrue? Is 1.5% enough to be considered Ashkenazi? I been told I should test for M153 to see if I'm Basque, given the data do you think it's a likely probability?

Well I love to hear your theories soon so post ASAP!

[joechill01]

Is there anyway to find out what Native American tribe I might be carrying? Heard that Native American SNPs don't really test well for some reason.