Fire Haired
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i have noticed this websit's page about I1 http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml assumes all of I1 is from Scandnvaiens or Germans but it seems like that can not be true for many reasons
Y DNA I1 is the only subclade of a haplogroup that is found in every spot in Europe in some areas Germans and Scandnaviens never migrated too or made very small un significant migrations like Macedonia where I1 is 3% and I1 is to popular like in some areas like Serbia at 6.5% where Germans and Scandnvaiens have had very small presence Scandnvaiens never made migrations to serbia or Macidonia but Germans did but the Germanic tribes had about 30-40% Y DNa R1b U106 and only 10-20% I1 then why dont we find R1b U106 with I1 usulley we dont which means they got it from non Germans and most I1 subclades in Europe are not found in Scandnavia
Scandinavians have almost only subclade I1a2 but I1a1 has never been reported in Scandnavia it only exists in Urlaic and Slavic speakers in eastern Europe, Baltics, Poland, Beluras, Switzerland, France,southwest England, and Turkey at about 1% but this website says it is in the confines of Germanic speakers but it is not in the core or source of ancient Germanic culture this means I1a1 is not from Germans or Scandinavians so at least for I1a1 it is from Mesolithic or Paleolithic continental Europeans and is evidence Y DNA I1 did not even orignate in Scandinavia it first started somewhere in Europe 20,000 years ago then migrated to Scandinavia with I1a and I1a2 about 10,000ybp but some I1a and I1b stayed in contential Europe
Y DNA I1a4 is also not found in Scandinavia it is only found in contiental Europe mainly Germany but there is no way it migrated south from Scandinavia to Germany in the last 4,000 years it is actulley pretty popular this is another I1 subclade that did not orignate in Scandnvaia i think there is a assumption that all I1 is German or Scandnvien but since I1 is estimated as 20,000-25,000 years old and humans did not arrive in Scandinavia till just 11,000ybp there has to be some left over in the rest of Europe and it seems there is I1a4 and I1a1 maybe also I1a3 which is almost only found outside of Scandinavia but sometimes in southern Scandinavia which could be because German language migrated from the south and Germanic y DNA R1b U106 and I2a2 are mainly found in southern Scandinavia and the Scandinavian subclade is I1a2 in my opinon not all I1 is German or Scandnvien i get sick of the assumptions and ignorance to ever think some might not be German or Scandinavian since it is so spread out in Europe and some subclades really are not Scandinavians or German that means they are left overs that have been speerated from Scandinavian branchs for over 10,00 years
Y DNA I1a which is found in Scandinavia as I1a2 and in continental Europe as I1a1, I1a3, and I1a4 is defintley over 10,000 years old in Scandnvaia almost 40% have I1a2 in finland they have I1a2c but it is rare in the rest of Scandnvaia so this means that finnish ancestors split from the rest of Scandnvai and formed I1a2c Finnish speak a Urlaic language not Germanic and they have almost no Germanic R1b U106 the real marker for the Germanic langauge is R1b U106 not I1a2 just when the German speakers conquered south Scandinavia 4,000ybp they inter married with native I1a2 so this is stronger evidence Finnish I1a2c has nothing to do with Germans and the first Indo European inter marriage with Finnish came with non Germanic people it was proto Balto Slavic's from Corded Ware culture 6,000-5,000ybo who had no I1a2 and had R1a1a1b so what this means is I1a2c is from before the bronze age aka before 6,000ybp also the Finnish Uralic language is estimated by experts to be 7,000 years old the Urlaic language came from Siberia and it also brought Y DNA N1c1 which is more popular than I1 in Finland the comb cermaic culture in north eastern Europe and northwest asia is belived to be the first Uralic speakers an it took up all of Finland 8,000ybp it also took up Baltic areas but modern Baltic people speak a Balto Indo European language that has been there for 5,000 years but they also have 30-40% N1c1 which is not found in any one else who borders them this means the Comb Ceramic really where Uralic and that Finnish I1a2c has been there for over 8,000 years my guess is I1a2c is 9,000-11,000 years old and that I1a2 is 10,000-15,000 years old and it came with the first Humans to Scandnavia
but since I1a1, I1a3, I1a4 are there are other subclades besides I1a2 that descend from I1a and these subclades are all almost never found in Scandinavia and since I1a2 ia probably 10,000-15,000 years old that means they split from I1a2 well over 10,000 years ago and before humans ever went to Scandinavia this means they are not from Germanic or other Scandinavian migrations and that most I1 in continental Europe is not from Scandinavians even the I1 in Germany and Scandinavians are really just from one of many subclades of I1a and it is just random it became the dominant group in their ancestors and that Y DNA I1a may have been very popular in Europe before Indo European invasion Y DNA I1 may have been the most popular haplogroup on Europe period before Indo European invasion 6,000-4,000ybp and before Neloithic revolution 6,000-10,000ybp
anotherthing I1b which is the brother of I1a i have already proven I1a ia at least 10,000-15,000 years old then that means it split from its brother at least that long ago but I1b is never found in Scandinavia it is only foud rarely around Belgium and central Germany but people assume that it also came from Germans or Scandinavians without realizing it is never found in Scandinavia and split from Scandinavian I1a2 at least 10,000-15,000ybp there is no way it came from Scandinavia and i think people assume that all I1 in Germany is from Scandinavians well maybe it is that I1a in Scandinavia split from German I1a 12,000ybp and German I1a developed into I1a1, I1a3, and I1a4 and osme I1* in Germany formed into I1b 10,000-20,000ybp and I1 is popular in Germany because that is near the area the first Scandinavians migrated from 12,000ybp because if I1 in Germany came from the recent Germanic Scandinavian migrations in the last 2,500 years you would find Scandinavian I1a2 as the major German I1 which you don't that means there is no way it came from Scandnavia
Y DNA I1 is the only subclade of a haplogroup that is found in every spot in Europe in some areas Germans and Scandnaviens never migrated too or made very small un significant migrations like Macedonia where I1 is 3% and I1 is to popular like in some areas like Serbia at 6.5% where Germans and Scandnvaiens have had very small presence Scandnvaiens never made migrations to serbia or Macidonia but Germans did but the Germanic tribes had about 30-40% Y DNa R1b U106 and only 10-20% I1 then why dont we find R1b U106 with I1 usulley we dont which means they got it from non Germans and most I1 subclades in Europe are not found in Scandnavia
Scandinavians have almost only subclade I1a2 but I1a1 has never been reported in Scandnavia it only exists in Urlaic and Slavic speakers in eastern Europe, Baltics, Poland, Beluras, Switzerland, France,southwest England, and Turkey at about 1% but this website says it is in the confines of Germanic speakers but it is not in the core or source of ancient Germanic culture this means I1a1 is not from Germans or Scandinavians so at least for I1a1 it is from Mesolithic or Paleolithic continental Europeans and is evidence Y DNA I1 did not even orignate in Scandinavia it first started somewhere in Europe 20,000 years ago then migrated to Scandinavia with I1a and I1a2 about 10,000ybp but some I1a and I1b stayed in contential Europe
Y DNA I1a4 is also not found in Scandinavia it is only found in contiental Europe mainly Germany but there is no way it migrated south from Scandinavia to Germany in the last 4,000 years it is actulley pretty popular this is another I1 subclade that did not orignate in Scandnvaia i think there is a assumption that all I1 is German or Scandnvien but since I1 is estimated as 20,000-25,000 years old and humans did not arrive in Scandinavia till just 11,000ybp there has to be some left over in the rest of Europe and it seems there is I1a4 and I1a1 maybe also I1a3 which is almost only found outside of Scandinavia but sometimes in southern Scandinavia which could be because German language migrated from the south and Germanic y DNA R1b U106 and I2a2 are mainly found in southern Scandinavia and the Scandinavian subclade is I1a2 in my opinon not all I1 is German or Scandnvien i get sick of the assumptions and ignorance to ever think some might not be German or Scandinavian since it is so spread out in Europe and some subclades really are not Scandinavians or German that means they are left overs that have been speerated from Scandinavian branchs for over 10,00 years
Y DNA I1a which is found in Scandinavia as I1a2 and in continental Europe as I1a1, I1a3, and I1a4 is defintley over 10,000 years old in Scandnvaia almost 40% have I1a2 in finland they have I1a2c but it is rare in the rest of Scandnvaia so this means that finnish ancestors split from the rest of Scandnvai and formed I1a2c Finnish speak a Urlaic language not Germanic and they have almost no Germanic R1b U106 the real marker for the Germanic langauge is R1b U106 not I1a2 just when the German speakers conquered south Scandinavia 4,000ybp they inter married with native I1a2 so this is stronger evidence Finnish I1a2c has nothing to do with Germans and the first Indo European inter marriage with Finnish came with non Germanic people it was proto Balto Slavic's from Corded Ware culture 6,000-5,000ybo who had no I1a2 and had R1a1a1b so what this means is I1a2c is from before the bronze age aka before 6,000ybp also the Finnish Uralic language is estimated by experts to be 7,000 years old the Urlaic language came from Siberia and it also brought Y DNA N1c1 which is more popular than I1 in Finland the comb cermaic culture in north eastern Europe and northwest asia is belived to be the first Uralic speakers an it took up all of Finland 8,000ybp it also took up Baltic areas but modern Baltic people speak a Balto Indo European language that has been there for 5,000 years but they also have 30-40% N1c1 which is not found in any one else who borders them this means the Comb Ceramic really where Uralic and that Finnish I1a2c has been there for over 8,000 years my guess is I1a2c is 9,000-11,000 years old and that I1a2 is 10,000-15,000 years old and it came with the first Humans to Scandnavia
but since I1a1, I1a3, I1a4 are there are other subclades besides I1a2 that descend from I1a and these subclades are all almost never found in Scandinavia and since I1a2 ia probably 10,000-15,000 years old that means they split from I1a2 well over 10,000 years ago and before humans ever went to Scandinavia this means they are not from Germanic or other Scandinavian migrations and that most I1 in continental Europe is not from Scandinavians even the I1 in Germany and Scandinavians are really just from one of many subclades of I1a and it is just random it became the dominant group in their ancestors and that Y DNA I1a may have been very popular in Europe before Indo European invasion Y DNA I1 may have been the most popular haplogroup on Europe period before Indo European invasion 6,000-4,000ybp and before Neloithic revolution 6,000-10,000ybp
anotherthing I1b which is the brother of I1a i have already proven I1a ia at least 10,000-15,000 years old then that means it split from its brother at least that long ago but I1b is never found in Scandinavia it is only foud rarely around Belgium and central Germany but people assume that it also came from Germans or Scandinavians without realizing it is never found in Scandinavia and split from Scandinavian I1a2 at least 10,000-15,000ybp there is no way it came from Scandinavia and i think people assume that all I1 in Germany is from Scandinavians well maybe it is that I1a in Scandinavia split from German I1a 12,000ybp and German I1a developed into I1a1, I1a3, and I1a4 and osme I1* in Germany formed into I1b 10,000-20,000ybp and I1 is popular in Germany because that is near the area the first Scandinavians migrated from 12,000ybp because if I1 in Germany came from the recent Germanic Scandinavian migrations in the last 2,500 years you would find Scandinavian I1a2 as the major German I1 which you don't that means there is no way it came from Scandnavia