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    WHAT? Azeris are 5 - 29% Mongoloid? is this true?



    Can anyone please post another autosomal DNA study of Azeris people please. The only autosomal DNA chart I could find is this but I can't find the author or link to, if you know please tell me.

    Azeris in Azerbaijan have 5 - 21% Mongoloid DNA

    Azeris in North Iran have 11 - 29% Mongoloid DNA








    I'm not saying this autosomal DNA chart is completely wrong but good lord..... 29% Mongoloid? I don't see any mongoloid appearance in Azeris at all

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    I am outraged

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    I'm shocked. Can't believe these are Azeris.

    I've always though the Azeris as a purer Turk nation.


    Azeris child actress from Iran



    Ganira Pasheya have a very odd look. She is a Member of the National Assembly of Azerbaijan [1][2]




    Azeris kid



    Azeris commander




    Some Azeri pretty girl.

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    Y-DNA of Republic Azeris


    J2a-20.8%
    R1a-19%
    R1b-17.5%
    E1b-11.1%
    G2-8.0%
    T-7.9%
    L-4.8%
    J1-4.8%
    Q-4.8%
    N-1.6%


    Y-DNA of Iranian Azeris

    J2b-21.11%
    R1b-15.15%
    G2-12.12%
    J1-9.09%
    R1a-9.09%
    Q-9.09%
    N-6.06%
    L-3.03%
    J2a-3.03%
    R2-3.03%
    G1-3.03%
    C3-3.03%
    O-3.03%

    They have 3.03% C3 + 3.03% O3 + 9.09% Q + 6.06% N of 22% Mongoloid Y-DNA

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    That R1b is from the Last Glacial Maximum
    It must have radiated out of Iberia

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    You're talking about Azerbaijans? They look pretty much Asiatic to me. Armenians even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody1 View Post
    That R1b is from the Last Glacial Maximum
    It must have radiated out of Iberia
    But I suspect much of the R1b in Azeris came from Turkmen. Turkmens of Turkmenistan have 32% R1b with only 10-15% Q however Turkmen in Iran, Afghan, Pakistan have 42.6% Q with only 22% R1b.


    Here are what Turkmen from Iran look like





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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurka atla View Post
    But I suspect much of the R1b in Azeris came from Turkmen. Turkmens of Turkmenistan have 32% R1b with only 10-15% Q however Turkmen in Iran, Afghan, Pakistan have 42.6% Q with only 22% R1b.
    Here are what Turkmen from Iran look like
    Go to the thread - Theory: I1 originally from Paloithic Cro magnon central Europe not Scandinavia
    There you will meet a self-proclaimed universal genius called Noman;
    He will fill you in on all the details;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    You're talking about Azerbaijans? They look pretty much Asiatic to me.
    Well I knew they have Asiatic blood but not that much, I mean even many Turks have 10-16% Mongoloid blood, I'm Turk from Ankara and I have 22% however for a Turk in Turkey to have over 20% is very rare though they exist in like 2 out 100.

    However nearly half of Azeris are between 20-29% Mongoloid!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody1 View Post
    Go to the thread - Theory: I1 originally from Paloithic Cro magnon central Europe not Scandinavia
    There you will meet a self-proclaimed universal genius called Noman;
    He will fill you in on all the details;
    Haplogroup I1 is predominate in north Europe, I1a is non-existent in Central Asian turks.

    Haplogroup R1b is in some Tatars

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    Well, they have always looked more Asiatic than Turks to my eyes.
    I'm wondering how much Mongol blood there is in Bulgarians and Moldavians.
    I find some Bulgarians pretty Asiatic looking too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    Well, they have always looked more Asiatic than Turks to my eyes.
    I'm wondering how much Mongol blood there is in Bulgarians and Moldavians.
    I find some Bulgarians pretty Asiatic looking too.
    But most Azeris look like this.....



    But I din't expect there was Azeris with such obvious Mongoloid influence appearance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    You're talking about Azerbaijans? They look pretty much Asiatic to me. Armenians even more.
    Armenians don't have Mongoloid blood as as I know.

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    Mehriban Aliyeva, or Robert Kardashian both look partly Asiatic to me.
    Ok, there are lot of individuals there which don't, but I guess 5-29 % is right number for that area.


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    What do you mean by Asiastic? Armenians are known for their hook arab like noses, they look more like semites.

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    I'm talking about facial contours - face width, zygomatic bones, pupillary distance, epicanthic fold presence, etc..
    Yes, I agree, they are more Semitic than Asiatic.

    My guess is an average of that area would be 15 % Asiatic. There is plenty of room between 15 % and 100 % for a lot of semitic gene pool.

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    azeri where originally the Medes, gutians and scythians. These people became also part kurds.

    There asiatic looks would have come from the central asiatic sythians who arrived more than 700 years before the Turkic people did.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0041252

    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/azeris.html

    -DNA (paternal genetics), haplogroup J2 is the most prevalent with about 20 percent of Azeri men having it,
    followed by haplogroup G at a frequency of 18 percent.
    Others found in Azeri men are T (11%),
    R1b (11%),
    R1a (7%),
    E (6%),
    I (3%),

    and some others (15%).
    Within these haplogroups, some Azeri men specifically have the haplogroups T1, E1b1b1c1 (this one originated in Anatolia), G2a3b1, and R1b1a2.


    also
    Ancestors of the Kurds(Medes, Carduchi, Gutians, Scythians)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    Well, they have always looked more Asiatic than Turks to my eyes.
    I'm wondering how much Mongol blood there is in Bulgarians and Moldavians.
    I find some Bulgarians pretty Asiatic looking too.
    Bulgarians are as Mongol as French and Greek people,learn something before writing here. Check studies,consult. Actually Serbs and Croats have a bit higher N(not that N should be Mongol), so whatever Tito was teaching u means nothing. Bulgarians are one of the two Balkan people(the others being Croat) which are tested good for y and mt chromosomes and they show 0.5% C, 0.4% Q and 0.5% N(which is most likely the North European N1c). Same picture on the female side. There are also autosomatical researches, so no ur propaganda does not stick here.
    Also do not write about us here, it is not the topic. The tennis Serb girl also looks really Mongol, so does one Serb singer(forgot his name, he was maybe on Eurovision) but this does not make Yugoslavs Mongols either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    azeri where originally the Medes, gutians and scythians. These people became also part kurds.

    There asiatic looks would have come from the central asiatic sythians who arrived more than 700 years before the Turkic people did.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0041252

    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/azeris.html

    -DNA (paternal genetics), haplogroup J2 is the most prevalent with about 20 percent of Azeri men having it,
    followed by haplogroup G at a frequency of 18 percent.
    Others found in Azeri men are T (11%),
    R1b (11%),
    R1a (7%),
    E (6%),
    I (3%),

    and some others (15%).
    Within these haplogroups, some Azeri men specifically have the haplogroups T1, E1b1b1c1 (this one originated in Anatolia), G2a3b1, and R1b1a2.


    also
    Ancestors of the Kurds(Medes, Carduchi, Gutians, Scythians)
    I though the Sycthians were Iranic...... you're telling me they were Asiatic or part Asiatic people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    Bulgarians are as Mongol as French and Greek people,learn something before writing here. Check studies,consult. Actually Serbs and Croats have a bit higher N(not that N should be Mongol), so whatever Tito was teaching u means nothing. Bulgarians are one of the two Balkan people(the others being Croat) which are tested good for y and mt chromosomes and they show 0.5% C, 0.4% Q and 0.5% N(which is most likely the North European N1c). Same picture on the female side. There are also autosomatical researches, so no ur propaganda does not stick here.
    Also do not write about us here, it is not the topic. The tennis Serb girl also looks really Mongol, so does one Serb singer(forgot his name, he was maybe on Eurovision) but this does not make Yugoslavs Mongols either.
    I'm telling you what I see. It's my own impression. If you don't like it I can't help it. What do you want me to say? That Serbs look more Asiatic than Bulgarians? Almost everyone from Europe passing through both countries will tell you it's not true... I don't know the correct percentages of N because they are too small in Balkans, but there may be some other factors or Hg's defining/carrying Asiatic appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurka atla View Post
    I though the Sycthians were Iranic...... you're telling me they were Asiatic or part Asiatic people?
    Language does not mean origin

    Scythian, member of a nomadic people originally of Iranian stock who migrated from Central Asia to southern Russia in the 8th and 7th centuries bce. The Scythians founded a rich, powerful empire centred on what is now the Crimea. The empire survived for several centuries before succumbing to the Sarmatians during the 4th century bce to the 2nd century ce.

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    Wikiquote:

    Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17 (R1a1a). The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization.

    Since the 2009 study by Keyser et al, population and geographic specific SNPs have been discovered which can accurately distinguish between "European" R1a (M458, Z 280) and "South Asian" R1a (Z93). Re-analyzing ancient Scytho-Siberian samples for these more specific subclades will further elucidate if the Eurasian steppe populations have an ultimate Eastern European or South Asian origin, or perhaps, both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    I'm telling you what I see. It's my own impression. If you don't like it I can't help it. What do you want me to say? That Serbs look more Asiatic than Bulgarians? Almost everyone from Europe passing through both countries will tell you it's not true... I don't know the correct percentages of N because they are too small in Balkans, but there may be some other factors or Hg's defining/carrying Asiatic appearance.
    Yes and everybody knows there is no Mongol influence in Bulgaria. Mongols influence is seen in Russia,Ukraine and Hungary but really,really small, in Balkan only people with a bit of Mongol influence are Balkan Turks and Tatars. if u r one of the Tito brainwashed Serbs and u think Turks and Gypsies from Bulgaria are Bulgarians I can only pity u. Bulgaria is 83% Bulgarian 10% Turkish, 5% Gypsy and the rest is Russian,Ukrainian, Vlach and Armenian. I am speaking about the 83% Bulgarians, do not care about Turks and Gypsies, the difference between Bulgarians and Serbs is that Serbs are taller and more blond(20% blond), Bulgarians are normal size and have less blondes(maybe 15%) and more light eyes on average then Serbs. Lookwise Bulgarians are Pontid and Gorid, Serbs are Dinaric and Gorid. Genetic wise, Serbs do not have good sample at all, a shame, a great shame that they do not taste their genes, but from what we have up to know the same amount of E-V13,J2b2, Serbs have more I2a, but Serb I2a is mostly I2a-Din S, while Bulgarian I2a is I2a-Din-N ,also Bulgarians have more G2a(the G2a in Bulgarians is mostly from the kind seen in Germans and Danish) and we have more J2a and R1b-L23(the Balkna gene, together with J2b2 and E-V13). Read and see how Bulgarians look like, before u write such things agains!
    Also we have more R1a- M458 then u and R1a-Z280 is about the same, but u need a sample of at least 500 people from all parts of Serbs and unrelated,before u can say something about Serb genes.

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    1. Those statistics are about nationality, which has nothing to do with ethnicity.
    2. Why do you consider Asiatic/Mongolia influence as a bad trait ?! Anyway if there is any of Turkish/Mongolian genetics in Bulgaria, it was probably there long before Ottomans, and it came there northern route of Black sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    1. Those statistics are about nationality, which has nothing to do with ethnicity.
    2. Why do you consider Asiatic/Mongolia influence as a bad trait ?! Anyway if there is any of Turkish/Mongolian genetics in Bulgaria, it was probably there long before Ottomans, and it came there northern route of Black sea.
    There is Mongol and Turkish influence in Bulgaria(if 1% Turkish blood because of rape is influence, I am sure u have it exactly the same).
    Learn the difference between Turkic and Turkish, the north Black Sea which u talk about is the Turkic Iranic mix warriors and they are not Turkish it is like saying Russians are Slovakia
    83% of people in Bulgaria are Bulgarians and their nationality and ethnicity is one and the same Bulgarian.
    Turkic blood is seen in Bulgarians, a bit just like it is seen in Serbs.

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