Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

schales below ............i was told he was cts8862 ( unsure)

Schales Germany
13 22 13 10 13 13 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 12 26 15 20 33 11 15 15 16 10 11 23 25 16 13 17 17 34 34 14 9
 
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info about parker........no match for last 4000 years

22921 Timothy W. Parker, b.c. 1780-90, England England T-L131
13 22 13 10 13-13 11 12 11 14 13 29 15 9-9 11 12 28 15 19 34 11-11-15-16-17 11 11 23-24 16 13 18 18 34-36 12 9 11 8 17-17 8 11 10 8 12 11 12 20-20 17 10 12 12 18 8 11 27 21 14 11 12 14 11 11 12 11
for its DYS385=13-13, but also here irregularities in DYS464, where you had a RecLOH probably from 11-11-15-16 to 11-11-11-11 (and when you find another person with these values he will be the closest to you) and distant values: your DYS537=12 from 11 may be worth also 4000/6000 years
 
N78475 Puiatti Friuli T-M70
13 23 14 11 14-16 11 12 11 13 13 29 16 8-9 11 12 24 14 19 35 11-11-16-16 11 10 22-24 18 13 18 16 35-35 12 9 11 8 17-17 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 20-20 17 10 12 10 16 8 11 28 20 14 11 12 13 10 11 12 11

The DYS390=23 is unusual if he really has CTS8862
 
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Is there a reason why you chose Heald and Chandler's method? Because I am now averaging Nordtvedt and Chandler vs Heald and Chandler, but if I should consider just Heald and Chandler that would make it easier.
 
KFundora said:
Is there a reason why you chose Heald and Chandler's method? Because I am now averaging Nordtvedt and Chandler vs Heald and Chandler, but if I should consider just Heald and Chandler that would make it easier.
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let me know which one you want and I will follow suit
 
KFundora said:
Is Vernon Jones also CTS8862+?
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I am checking about this.........

I also found out the Muller in brazil is the same family as Miller in England...both a german descent
 
After reviewing and reevaluating, I decided to best consider Heald's and Chandler's method w/o CDY and 464 since Nordtvedt and Chandler's consistently underestimated the TMRCA. Below is the new data:

L131 (13,800 years ago) [From Mendez et al., 2011]
-L446 (10,500 years ago)
--CTS11984 (5,200 years ago)
---CTS8862 (2,900 years ago)
---PS11 (800 years ago)
-P322 (6,500 years ago)
 
KFundora said:
After reviewing and reevaluating, I decided to best consider Heald's and Chandler's method w/o CDY and 464 since Nordtvedt and Chandler's consistently underestimated the TMRCA. Below is the new data:

L131 (13,800 years ago) [From Mendez et al., 2011]
-L446 (10,500 years ago)
--CTS11984 (5,200 years ago)
---CTS8862 (2,900 years ago)
---PS11 (800 years ago)
-P322 (6,500 years ago)
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looks good

You know P322 can never have CTS8862 ..............well all 100% for far are negative CTS8862

here is the other CTS8862.........seems like another knox or mason
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/knoxsurname/default.aspx?section=yresults
 
Yes CTS8862 is a subclade of CTS11984 and itself a subclade of L446. They are not descendant of P322.

Looking at that Knox page, it appears there is a whole line of Knox's that appear to be CTS8862, for all of those in the same cluster have STRs almost exactly the same as the confirmed CTS8862 Knox. In that case, CTS8862 has a specific presence in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Also, since CTS11984, CTS8862, and PS11 are only found in Europe, but not in the Middle East as L446 and P322 are, suggests a post-Neolithic origin and distribution, which is corroborated by their respective predicted ages. I will continue to look into any possible population links, as the Jewish theory may be less likely due to the increased ages after reevaluation.
 
KFundora said:
Yes CTS8862 is a subclade of CTS11984 and itself a subclade of L446. They are not descendant of P322.

Looking at that Knox page, it appears there is a whole line of Knox's that appear to be CTS8862, for all of those in the same cluster have STRs almost exactly the same as the confirmed CTS8862 Knox. In that case, CTS8862 has a specific presence in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Also, since CTS11984, CTS8862, and PS11 are only found in Europe, but not in the Middle East as L446 and P322 are, suggests a post-Neolithic origin and distribution, which is corroborated by their respective predicted ages. I will continue to look into any possible population links, as the Jewish theory may be less likely due to the increased ages after reevaluation.
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ok on above

The Knox person ( kit# 180193) which has CTS8862 is called the Samuel line
below is the Knox petigree fro T1
John Knox
BORN1708, Scotland
MARRIEDJean Gracey, 1730 Coleraine, Ireland
CHILDREN
  1. (M) William b. 1736 IRELAND d. 19JUL1776 NC
  2. (M) Absalom b. 1738 IRELAND d. 1808 OH
  3. (M) John b. 1739 IRELAND d. 1802 NC
  4. (F) Mary b. 31JUL1742 NC d. 1823 NC
  5. (M) Samuel b. 1JAN1746 IRELAND d. 11FEB1837 GA
  6. (M) Joseph b. DEC1747 IRELAND d. 02MAR1836 TN
  7. (M) James b. 1752 NC d. 10OCT1794 NC
  8. (M) Benjamin b. 10APR1759 NC d. 27FEB1842 Rowan Co., NC
DIED12OCT1758 Rowan County, North Carolina
SOURCESE. Boehms Skelley (Note 1) , Find A Grave (Note 2) , RootsWeb (Note 3)

#5 is the samuel ..............Born Ireland and died in Geogia USA

180193 John Knox, b. 1708, d. 1758 Rowan Co NC (Samuel Line)
 
the kit numbers

106591Probably born as "Knox" & adopted as "Mason"
227727 Thomas Knox, d. 1796 Syssex Co DE
58636Reddick Knox, b.1791, Pitt Co. NC
124565John Knox, b. 1708, d. 1758 Rowan Co NC (Joseph Line)
180193John Knox, b. 1708, d. 1758 Rowan Co NC (Samuel Line)
185534John Knox, b. 1708, d. 1758 Rowan Co NC (Benjamin Line)
79785Levi Knox, b. 1791, Delaware
167670John Knox, b. ca 1785, NC; d. 1840-1850 Lincoln Co, GA
33644John Knox, b.ca. 1759, Strabane, Ulster, Ireland


Seems like its an old Gaelic/Celtic/Argyll line
 
Didn't kit # 124565 state that his earliest paternal ancestor was William Knox born ca. 1510 in Haddington?

But yes, I agree, although I was researching the history of the Scots and Irish and although both are Gaelic, depending on where this Knox line originated, it could have been Pictish too, since they were the inhabitants of Scotland back then.

I inputted their haplotypes and their common ancestor lived 10 generations ago or approx. 305 years. The problem is, what year or individual do I use as a reference point? Would those 305 years be from the present (i.e. 2014-305)?
 
found this from Morley on his study of T - CTS8862

I see that CTS8862 was tested on the Geno chip, but it doesn't appear in my latest Geno-based report, and I haven't looked at the Geno 2.0 dataset in several months.
However, I have done a similar analysis (unreleased) on Chromo2 data. That report puts CTS8862 at the "T1a2b~2" level. Below L446, and approximately phyloequivalent to CTS3767, CTS9984 and CTS11984 (and three other markers that recur elsewhere in the tree). I have 18 candidate markers "between T1a-L131 and T1a2b-L446" (the dataset lacks representation from T1a2a-P322). There are 7 S-series markers at the "T1a2b~1" level, and a further 7 at the "T1a2b~1~1" level. Granted, these clades are based on only one sample per clade.

These are my positive s-series
S27238+, S137+, S27574+, S138+, S27644+, S27554+, S27681+, S27568+, S27128+, S27531+, S27605+, S27247+, S26596+, S2041+, S27445+, S27774+
 
Interesting, so CTS11984, CTS8862, and CTS9984 are possibly at the same level? I could re-run some of the TMRCA calculations I have been doing to see what the significance of that might be.

And how did you find out this s-series?
 
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Interesting, so CTS11984, CTS8862, and CTS9984 are possibly at the same level? I could re-run some of the TMRCA calculations I have been doing to see what the significance of that might be.

And how did you find out this s-series?
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I cannot remember who ran my sample and sent me my s-series ( I will need to consult my notes )...but they did find me eventually postive for basal M184 , but also found me negative for basal M193.

did you try this below ..............I put mine in yesterday .......not ready yet

http://daver.info/ysub/
 
Sile said:
I cannot remember who ran my sample and sent me my s-series ( I will need to consult my notes )...but they did find me eventually postive for basal M184 , but also found me negative for basal M193.

did you try this below ..............I put mine in yesterday .......not ready yet

http://daver.info/ysub/
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I had submitted my Geno 2.0 info to him around Feb/March of this year. My information is currently in his files, check his Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Geno20YdnaSnpComparison?ref=br_tf
 
Yes he does! He compiles the results and info individuals send to him and he displays it in an attached spreadsheet
 
Sile said:
N78475 Puiatti Friuli T-M70
13 23 14 11 14-16 11 12 11 13 13 29 16 8-9 11 12 24 14 19 35 11-11-16-16 11 10 22-24 18 13 18 16 35-35 12 9 11 8 17-17 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 20-20 17 10 12 10 16 8 11 28 20 14 11 12 13 10 11 12 11

The DYS390=23 is unusual if he really has CTS8862
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Is it confirmed that Friuli is CTS8862+?
 
KFundora said:
Is it confirmed that Friuli is CTS8862+?
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I do not know until Adriano does my results ........have you seen them?

You can compare yours with Puiatti ............I saw your name, but results for you are all stated as ?

maybe you got them privately.............but Puiatti is in Friuli, in an area where Italians state Carnielo people ( ancient Carni tribe ) live.........Italians still use the phrase for the area in question, basically the friulian alps, East of the Ladini people.
 
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