Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

KFundora said:
Wow cool, a Sardinian CTS8862+

So Brennan is listed as Portugal in origin? Guessing Brennan is mother's or an altered version of an earlier surname

Also, I have no clue what the highlighted surname means...
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the sardinian from cagliari


  • id:ERS256892ITA [IT-CA]new


on yfull
 
Looking through the T ftdna project , the following stands out

DYS390 =22

39 are of European ancestry and 2 are of Middle-East ancestry

there seems a clear link the DYS390 is an important STR in separating T-Ydna people.
 
@KF

Another joined our little group.....no name ..........kit#517001 from Virelles Belgium

I think this kit was a transfer from another company

...............................

It seems they want to test 1 x Polish and 2 x north-west Ukrainians to see if they have same marker as us

and

I x central Italian ( marche ), 1x south italian ( campania ) and 1 x west-sicilian

and

kit # 15746 from central Germany
 
Sile said:
@KF

Another joined our little group.....no name ..........kit#517001 from Virelles Belgium

I think this kit was a transfer from another company

...............................

It seems they want to test 1 x Polish and 2 x north-west Ukrainians to see if they have same marker as us

and

I x central Italian ( marche ), 1x south italian ( campania ) and 1 x west-sicilian

and

kit # 15746 from central Germany
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Kit # 517001 seems to be Francois Bernot born 1618 ...............seems like a french name
 
Sile said:
Kit # 517001 seems to be Francois Bernot born 1618 ...............seems like a french name
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Ftdna T project has associated francois Bernot with #517001 and

this marker sits closer to you KF and further from me
 
@Fundora

part of an email to me by a , T project Ftdna administrator

So far they have found 3 T-CTS8862 samples (southern European ), one from Italy and two from Hispanic populations. I think it is possible that you will be more closely related to one of these southern European samples than to the T Project members (whose roots are in north west Europe). N145191 is not Timothy Brennan (who isn't in the Project). His surname is Cockley but he has a match with the surname Caquelin so I suspect his ancestry is French. He has joined the Golden Project but I don't know why.


Note: Timothy Brennan is my #1 match on ftdna .............he stated his ancestors where from SW-Germany ( black forest lands )
 
Sile said:
Ftdna T project has associated francois Bernot with #517001 and

this marker sits closer to you KF and further from me
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I checked the site now and he doesnt appear... But yes it is definitely a French surname based on internet searches.
 
Sile said:
@Fundora

part of an email to me by a , T project Ftdna administrator

So far they have found 3 T-CTS8862 samples (southern European ), one from Italy and two from Hispanic populations. I think it is possible that you will be more closely related to one of these southern European samples than to the T Project members (whose roots are in north west Europe). N145191 is not Timothy Brennan (who isn't in the Project). His surname is Cockley but he has a match with the surname Caquelin so I suspect his ancestry is French. He has joined the Golden Project but I don't know why.


Note: Timothy Brennan is my #1 match on ftdna .............he stated his ancestors where from SW-Germany ( black forest lands )
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Earlier you mentioned that N145191 was Goldin (see page 12). Cockley is a very English surname but him matching Caquelin (which appears to be French based off searches as well) may not immediately suggest a French connection... Did administrator say how distant they were?
 
KFundora said:
I checked the site now and he doesnt appear... But yes it is definitely a French surname based on internet searches.
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Yes, French , but origins in Belgium.........Walloon area
 
KFundora said:
Earlier you mentioned that N145191 was Goldin (see page 12). Cockley is a very English surname but him matching Caquelin (which appears to be French based off searches as well) may not immediately suggest a French connection... Did administrator say how distant they were?
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No , he said basically

From previous tests we know you are T-CTS8862. We already have 3 members of the Project who are T-CTS8862 and have Big Y results - 33644, 58636 and 517001. 33644 and 58636 share a surname and are both already on YFull. They are related within the last 400 years or so. T-CTS8862 itself is estimated to be around 2200 years old.

So the first thing your Big Y will tell you is whether you are more closely related to 33644/58636 or to 517001.


Caquelin from recent conversation origins are from Alsace....place called wildersach ( or something similar , since ~1650 )


I was given wrong info on N145191 as a Goldin........it was Caquelin .....both are in the Ftdna Golden Project
 
Sile said:
No , he said basically

From previous tests we know you are T-CTS8862. We already have 3 members of the Project who are T-CTS8862 and have Big Y results - 33644, 58636 and 517001. 33644 and 58636 share a surname and are both already on YFull. They are related within the last 400 years or so. T-CTS8862 itself is estimated to be around 2200 years old.

So the first thing your Big Y will tell you is whether you are more closely related to 33644/58636 or to 517001.


Caquelin from recent conversation origins are from Alsace....place called wildersach ( or something similar , since ~1650 )


I was given wrong info on N145191 as a Goldin........it was Caquelin .....both are in the Ftdna Golden Project
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I have my BigY results and this from the project person

let you know that you have a shared SNP - Z19945 (8397337 C to T) - which is not (yet) shared by anyone else in the Haplogroup T Project. The two Scottish-Irish members who are in your matches lists do not appear to share this SNP. Their branch T-Y17493 is a separate branch of T-CTS8662.

I match only with Mr. Bernot I will fit in somewhere on the bottom left of this new Isogg T tree in link below.
CTS8489 is equal to CTS8862

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#/media/File:Haplogroup_T-M184_tree.png
 
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Sile said:
No , he said basically

From previous tests we know you are T-CTS8862. We already have 3 members of the Project who are T-CTS8862 and have Big Y results - 33644, 58636 and 517001. 33644 and 58636 share a surname and are both already on YFull. They are related within the last 400 years or so. T-CTS8862 itself is estimated to be around 2200 years old.

So the first thing your Big Y will tell you is whether you are more closely related to 33644/58636 or to 517001.


Caquelin from recent conversation origins are from Alsace....place called wildersach ( or something similar , since ~1650 )


I was given wrong info on N145191 as a Goldin........it was Caquelin .....both are in the Ftdna Golden Project
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So is N145191 Cockley or Caquelin?
 
Sile said:
I have my BigY results and this from the project person

let you know that you have a shared SNP - Z19945 (8397337 C to T) - which is not (yet) shared by anyone else in the Haplogroup T Project. The two Scottish-Irish members who are in your matches lists do not appear to share this SNP. Their branch T-Y17493 is a separate branch of T-CTS8662.

I match only with Mr. Bernot I will fit in somewhere on the bottom left of this new Isogg T tree in link below.
CTS8489 is equal to CTS8862

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#/media/File:Haplogroup_T-M184_tree.png
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This is interesting, I am continuing to research our clade and refine my understandings about its origins.
 
KFundora said:
This is interesting, I am continuing to research our clade and refine my understandings about its origins.
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we are now split in the T ftdna project due to my BigY test

I will likely be in the future with mr. Bernot
T1a2a1a1b

and you and mr. Lee will be
T1a2a1a1c

or clade/main branch is purely European beginning some 8000 years ago with L446 in northern Anatolia, it went to Europe first.............the european branch split many times until our clade CTS8862/CTS8489 was created some 2400 years ago.....I suspect around Southern Germany.

The persian side from L446 is less than 2000 years old ..............so it seems that some L446 migrated most likely from Anatolia to Persia and along the persian gulf at the time of the roman empire in the middle-east
 
KFundora said:
So is N145191 Cockley or Caquelin?
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yes ............it is Cockley but Gareth thinks he was from france with the original surname of Caquelin
 
Sile said:
we are now split in the T ftdna project due to my BigY test

I will likely be in the future with mr. Bernot
T1a2a1a1b

and you and mr. Lee will be
T1a2a1a1c

or clade/main branch is purely European beginning some 8000 years ago with L446 in northern Anatolia, it went to Europe first.............the european branch split many times until our clade CTS8862/CTS8489 was created some 2400 years ago.....I suspect around Southern Germany.

The persian side from L446 is less than 2000 years old ..............so it seems that some L446 migrated most likely from Anatolia to Persia and along the persian gulf at the time of the roman empire in the middle-east
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Fundora, a note from project team to me

YFull has updated its tree and Z19945 has been added (the only new branch for T this time). The age estimate is 2,600 years before present i.e. 400 BC. The ages of CTS8862 and CTS54 have been pushed back in time by the results for YF07168.
Note that YFull show CTS1848 as equivalent to Z19945. You are negative for this SNP but it is recurrent and possibly unreliable.

Bernot ( YF07168 ) is positive for CTS1848, I am negative

As per Bernot historical information to me................Bernot originate in ancient region of Thiérage, which in those days was partly in France (County of Vermandois) and partly in the Spanish Netherlands (County of Hainaut) and also Lorraine.
His ancestors worked in spanish netherlands "gun/cannon foundries" and travelled with the spainsh to Iberia once Spain lost the Netherlands.


I still maintain my marker along with Bernot came via Central-Danubian area ( south -Germany ) then split into Alps or Alsace or up the Rhine ..........I guess the split was in old Swabian lands of SW-Germany
 
Once my Yfull is done ( YF07608 ) I will see if I still link with YF07168 or we split apart from SNP z19945 due to CTS1848

the T tree in T-M184 has us split already
 
as of today.............my yfull is still be analysed .........I am IT-TV below

from branch
T-L131S12150 * Y6030/FGC22987 * CTS7239+39 SNPsformed 16000 ybp, TMRCA 11100 ybpinfo
  • T-L131*
      • T-CTS54 Z19926 * Z19902 * CTS6769+26 SNPsformed 6600 ybp, TMRCA 3600 ybpinfo
        • T-CTS54*
          • id:YF06979USA [US-VA]
          • id:NA20758TSI
        • T-CTS8489 CTS10538 * CTS8489 * Z19953+5 SNPsformed 3600 ybp, TMRCA 2600 ybpinfo
          • id:YF07608ITA [IT-TV]new
          • T-CTS8489*
            • id:ERS256892ITA [IT-CA]
          • T-Y17493Y17497 * Y17499 * Y17500+11 SNPsformed 2600 ybp, TMRCA 375 ybpinfo
            • id:YF04232
            • id:YF04203USA [US-NC]
          • T-Z19945Z19945 * CTS1848formed 2600 ybp, TMRCA 2600 ybpinfo
            • id:YF07168BEL [BE-WHT]
            • id:HG01051PUR
            • id:HG01530IBS

I am confirmed positive for Z19945 , same as the bottom group, but I am confirmed negative for CTS1848 , while bottom group are positive for CTS1848.

note: YF are ftdna tested people and HG and ERS are samples tested from written papers
 
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