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    Post Sultans of the Ottoman dynasty may have belonged to haplogroup R1a or J2

    I came across several Ysearch entries of potential member of the House of Osman descending patrilineally from Osman I, founder of the Ottoman Empire.

    Four haplotypes are identical and belong to haplogroup R1a1, all listing Ohran or Osman I as most distant known paternal ancestor. One of them was apparently tested by Naz Osmanoglu.


    • AWCUQ
    • FTEMF
    • KMDCN (Prince Şehzade Nazım Ziyaeddin Osmanoğlu)
    • SJXZP

    All sultans of the Ottoman Empire share the same Y-chromosomal line, so all of them should belong to the same haplogroup, unless a non-paternity event happened at some point. Based on the above data, R1a would appear to be the haplogroup of the House of Osman. It is not surprising considering that the Turks originated in southern Siberia and Central Asia, where R1a has been an important lineage at least since the Bronze Age. Ultimately Turkic R1a is of Indo-European origin and should belong to the Z93 branch. Ysearch doesn't mention the subclade of R1a.

    A fourth entry (K425U) is listed as the lineage of Prince Mehmed Sabahaddin, and is only 4 markers away from the above haplotypes. This is a bit odd since Prince Sabahaddin was indeed the grandson of Sultan Abdülmecid I, but through his mother, not his father. I couldn't find any evidence that his paternal lineage was related to the House of Osman.

    However, another person (94A9M) with the last name 'Sultan' claims to be the haplotype of HIH Prince Sertan Saltan. The person listed as most distant known paternal ancestor on the direct male line is H.I.H. Prince Yusuf Izzettin (1857-1916). If that is the case, he is actually the son of Sultan Abdülaziz and therefore also a member of the Ottoman dynasty.

    The 94A9M entry only tested 12 markers, and looks like J2a1, probably J2a1b (M67). Such a haplogroup would also make sense since J2-M67 is particularly common in north-western Turkey (around Istanbul).

    It's still all hypothetical at the moment, but it could be the start of unveiling the haplogroup of one of history's most powerful and influential dynasties.
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    I'm comfused..

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    I think after Sulaiman (?) the Magnificent the sultans were progressively more European as Sulainman married a Balkan slave and fell in love with her and she had control of the court. Every succeeding sultan followed this procedure with the Balkan wife in charge and being the mother of the future sultan. So one can see the sultan having divided loyalties. He would have concern for Balkans as he is half Balkan or more as his grand mother is also Balkan.

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    Considering the Ottomans supplanted the Eastern Roman or Byzantine Empire, it doesn't sound too surprising

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    Great digging Maciamo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oriental View Post
    I think after Sulaiman (?) the Magnificent the sultans were progressively more European as Sulainman married a Balkan slave and fell in love with her and she had control of the court. Every succeeding sultan followed this procedure with the Balkan wife in charge and being the mother of the future sultan. So one can see the sultan having divided loyalties. He would have concern for Balkans as he is half Balkan or more as his grand mother is also Balkan.
    his wife was Serbian

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_valide_sultans

    it seems the ottomans married many christian women
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    original name of Sögüt villiage in 1231 ''Thebasion'' they were Anatolian christians who convert islam :)

    greek version :
    Thebasion :Sevan turkish version Sivas ,Its was Anatolian city also

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    R1a-Z93 is also Central Asian Turkic tribal branch(Kyrgyz, Shor Tatars: Tatars, Kazakh), as Oghuz Turks are descended from Scythians, the Scythians were vassal of Gok-Turks, they were Turkic speakers. Shows Turkic tribes are descended from Aryans. Research about Andronovo culture, but we Turkish call it as "Turanians", not "Aryans" ... Turanians are limited with the Ural-Altaic speaker people of Central Asia, Europe and Far East. But Turkic genetic shows Turks are cognate with Aryan tribes.
    I also think Pashtuns in Afghanistan who're mainly R1a-Z93, are descended from Oghuz Turks who've founded the Ghaznavid empire.

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