Politics To Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Slovens, Hungarians..:wasn't life under socialism better?

LoL, so it wasn't communist after all. Thank you for being sincere.
Not in a sense of true definitions, it was more of a socialism especially in economic sense. Politically it was always a dictatorship of one party or one leader. It was called communist countries because they were ruled by parties that had word Communist in their names. I hope I don't have to explain that to you. ;)
Communism is very utopian and was never proven to work, and socialism barely working. No wonder it collapsed, with only two remaining N Korea and Cuba. We all know how great are these countries even with huge help from Soviet Union and China.
 
Nothing special. They were ordinary people just like everyone else.
I have a hard time to believe this story. Polish communist leaders wives were flying to Paris shopping, had private chauffeurs and big villas in many places, and being treated by top doctors in country or best hospitals in the world. Of course not official privileges, but still available to them.




I use the term social layers. Because classes are stricter term.

Yes, social layers existed. Communist party elite, managerial elite (managers of enterprises), technocratic elite (in public sector) etc.
But, what is important is the members of these layers changed, in the other words, there was no inheritance (generally).
I'm not sure if it works this way. I remember my elementary school in Poland and here are my observations from my class. The smartest kids were kids of local elite and professionals. The least smart were kids of poor social layer, physical workers, alcohol addicts, crime ridden margin of society. Gross being average kids of middle class people of various occupation. In my mind, given same education, smarts and good memory are mostly genetic. Who is blessed in good predisposition in logic and memory department, learns fast and advances much quicker than others. Carrying this thought, I don't see how kids of poor people can progress even into middle class, generally speaking of course. I realize that there are evenements and a people do move around through social layers, but most are stuck in place, unfortunately.
 
We are speaking about communist countries not about revisionist countries.
 
Not in a sense of true definitions, it was more of a socialism especially in economic sense. Politically it was always a dictatorship of one party or one leader. It was called communist countries because they were ruled by parties that had word Communist in their names. I hope I don't have to explain that to you. ;)

No you don't, and that's the point. Neither communist countries were really communist, and neither are capitalist countries really modern capitalist. They all are just a bunch of leaches.
 
Communism is the worst regime in the history of humankind. Until 1960 there was a balance between capitalism and communism. We have in this periods the economic boom on the capitalist countries and the begining of the fall of communist countries. The communist system was a utopia,he was at odds with human nature. Human being is selfish, ego is the center, while this was replaced in communism with us. The communist system degraded while did not guarantee basic elements of life. We're not talking about human rights and basic freedoms, which systematically oppressed. Obviously different countries have different characteristics, but the conclusion was the same.
There is a rule,every rule has an exception. Exemption in this case was the ex-Yugoslavia. Tito was an intelligent person. He played with both sides. West gave Tito a blank check, this blank check he supplemented himself, spent and in the end did not return anything. For this reasons the ex-Yugoslavia was an success, until the capitan of the ship was died and his place was taken by a pirate, Slobodan Milosevic.
Obviously the two camps spent billions against each other, this period is called Cold War, right? But this war was not won by the one who produced more tanks or cannons,but the one that produce refrigerators, TV and washing machines.
Concerning China, today i will consider a fascist state nothing connection with communism. North Korea is an communist state.
Key features of communism was HYPOCRISY, was a hypocrit system.

P.S.

In communist countries it was forbidden to kill yourself, you can be a considered a deserter and your family suffer the consequences.
Such for that shit of sistem.

(I owe this article to LeBrok).

There are problems with both capitalism and socialism. Some of them are different, among others can be found similarities.
One of big problems of socialism that it was ineffective.

Most countries have nurtured the so-called state capitalism (etatism), Albania too.
But there were exceptions.
In Serbia and Yugoslavia applied specific model of socialism, self-managed socialism.
It was different socialism compared with Albania, but still socialism.

Enterprises in Serbia and Yugoslavia were not state enterprises but social enterprises!
Practically closest model companies in the West would be workers' shareholding.
Good point of Serbian and Yugoslav self-managed social enterprises was it could develop business, enterprises has considered the market, and the productivity too.

And in such companies were developing managerial elite.
It is interesting, between communist elite which had political power, and managerial elite which led enterprises there were tensions, although managers of companies formally mainly were party members.

But, generally, Serbia and Yugoslavia has had a rapid development.
In the same time Albania, as state socialist country, was very poor.
Tens and tens of thousand of people due to poverty left Albania and went to Serbia.

Yes, Yugoslav socialism was a great achievement of civilization.
In Yugoslavia ruled principle of brotherhood and unity and nationalism and religion extremism of any kind had no place.
Both Serbia and Yugoslavia were giving a lot of money for the development of underdeveloped areas, especially where there were Albanians.

Yugoslav president Tito was the humanist, he believed that it was possible to achieve a hundred percent employment.
And Yugoslav laws have encouraged businesses to hire new workforce, and enterprises had obligations.
And Albanians lived in Serbia were massively employed (you can compare with Kosovo today which has a huge unemployement and economic inactivity).
But no state can keep a high rate of growth, Yugoslavia is no exception.

With the reduction of rate of growth problems Yugoslav enterprises there were visible.
Enterprises had objectively more workers than needed.
No managerial talents and abilities could not compensate the high costs due to redudancy.
What happened was that 20%, 30% (somewhere to 50%) workers at enterprises were redudant.
Yugoslav enterprises was gradually becoming uncompetitive.

And in the eighties economic crisis in Yugoslavia was visible.
What was necessary? A real reengineering of enterprises.
Managerial elite was trying to do something but communist elite was not ready for reforms.
Communists were afraid of labour strikes.

Communists were able to fight against all but not against labour unrests, they were primary labor party.
And they have tried to maintain status quo.

Big mistake!

The crisis intensified, enterprises were increasingly innefective, one of temporary solution was to borrow abroad.
And what happens when a crisis arises in multinational country as Yugoslavia, nationalisms began to grow.
In Slovenia and Croatia nationalists began to demand separatism, in Serbia unitarism.
Mr. Jansa and Mr. Tudjman were separatists, and Mr. Milosevic was unitarist, but all of them undermined the Yugoslav government that could cope with the problems.
In a way, they all together were allies!

But Slovenian, Croatian and Serbian nationalists were result of economic crisis of the eighties.
Thus, the self-managing socialism proved innefective even though it had a lot of good points.


Nothing good can arrive from an slavo-orthodox ideology.

It is stupid, it is not for comment.
I'm not saying that a Muslim cannot criticize Christianity, and Albanian cannot criticize Slavic nations, but in this case there are limits of good taste.
 
(I owe this article to LeBrok).

There are problems with both capitalism and socialism. Some of them are different, among others can be found similarities.
One of big problems of socialism that it was ineffective.

Most countries have nurtured the so-called state capitalism (etatism), Albania too.
But there were exceptions.
In Serbia and Yugoslavia applied specific model of socialism, self-managed socialism.
It was different socialism compared with Albania, but still socialism.

Enterprises in Serbia and Yugoslavia were not state enterprises but social enterprises!
Practically closest model companies in the West would be workers' shareholding.
Good point of Serbian and Yugoslav self-managed social enterprises was it could develop business, enterprises has considered the market, and the productivity too.

And in such companies were developing managerial elite.
It is interesting, between communist elite which had political power, and managerial elite which led enterprises there were tensions, although managers of companies formally mainly were party members.

But, generally, Serbia and Yugoslavia has had a rapid development.
In the same time Albania, as state socialist country, was very poor.
Tens and tens of thousand of people due to poverty left Albania and went to Serbia.

Yes, Yugoslav socialism was a great achievement of civilization.
In Yugoslavia ruled principle of brotherhood and unity and nationalism and religion extremism of any kind had no place.
Both Serbia and Yugoslavia were giving a lot of money for the development of underdeveloped areas, especially where there were Albanians.

Yugoslav president Tito was the humanist, he believed that it was possible to achieve a hundred percent employment.
And Yugoslav laws have encouraged businesses to hire new workforce, and enterprises had obligations.
And Albanians lived in Serbia were massively employed (you can compare with Kosovo today which has a huge unemployement and economic inactivity).
But no state can keep a high rate of growth, Yugoslavia is no exception.

With the reduction of rate of growth problems Yugoslav enterprises there were visible.
Enterprises had objectively more workers than needed.
No managerial talents and abilities could not compensate the high costs due to redudancy.
What happened was that 20%, 30% (somewhere to 50%) workers at enterprises were redudant.
Yugoslav enterprises was gradually becoming uncompetitive.

And in the eighties economic crisis in Yugoslavia was visible.
What was necessary? A real reengineering of enterprises.
Managerial elite was trying to do something but communist elite was not ready for reforms.
Communists were afraid of labour strikes.

Communists were able to fight against all but not against labour unrests, they were primary labor party.
And they have tried to maintain status quo.

Big mistake!

The crisis intensified, enterprises were increasingly innefective, one of temporary solution was to borrow abroad.
And what happens when a crisis arises in multinational country as Yugoslavia, nationalisms began to grow.
In Slovenia and Croatia nationalists began to demand separatism, in Serbia unitarism.
Mr. Jansa and Mr. Tudjman were separatists, and Mr. Milosevic was unitarist, but all of them undermined the Yugoslav government that could cope with the problems.
In a way, they all together were allies!

But Slovenian, Croatian and Serbian nationalists were result of economic crisis of the eighties.
Thus, the self-managing socialism proved innefective even though it had a lot of good points.




It is stupid, it is not for comment.
I'm not saying that a Muslim cannot criticize Christianity, and Albanian cannot criticize Slavic nations, but in this case there are limits of good taste.

as my slavic work friends state ( a slovene and a croat ), everything started to go bad when the Serbs announced that the slovene and croat languages ( and other languages in yugoslavia) where dialects and will be replaced in schools by the serbian language...........the match was lit , is what they said
 
(I owe this article to LeBrok).

There are problems with both capitalism and socialism. Some of them are different, among others can be found similarities.
One of big problems of socialism that it was ineffective.

Most countries have nurtured the so-called state capitalism (etatism), Albania too.
But there were exceptions.
In Serbia and Yugoslavia applied specific model of socialism, self-managed socialism.
It was different socialism compared with Albania, but still socialism.

Enterprises in Serbia and Yugoslavia were not state enterprises but social enterprises!
Practically closest model companies in the West would be workers' shareholding.
Good point of Serbian and Yugoslav self-managed social enterprises was it could develop business, enterprises has considered the market, and the productivity too.

And in such companies were developing managerial elite.
It is interesting, between communist elite which had political power, and managerial elite which led enterprises there were tensions, although managers of companies formally mainly were party members.

But, generally, Serbia and Yugoslavia has had a rapid development.
In the same time Albania, as state socialist country, was very poor.
Tens and tens of thousand of people due to poverty left Albania and went to Serbia.

Yes, Yugoslav socialism was a great achievement of civilization.
In Yugoslavia ruled principle of brotherhood and unity and nationalism and religion extremism of any kind had no place.
Both Serbia and Yugoslavia were giving a lot of money for the development of underdeveloped areas, especially where there were Albanians.

Yugoslav president Tito was the humanist, he believed that it was possible to achieve a hundred percent employment.
And Yugoslav laws have encouraged businesses to hire new workforce, and enterprises had obligations.
And Albanians lived in Serbia were massively employed (you can compare with Kosovo today which has a huge unemployement and economic inactivity).
But no state can keep a high rate of growth, Yugoslavia is no exception.

With the reduction of rate of growth problems Yugoslav enterprises there were visible.
Enterprises had objectively more workers than needed.
No managerial talents and abilities could not compensate the high costs due to redudancy.
What happened was that 20%, 30% (somewhere to 50%) workers at enterprises were redudant.
Yugoslav enterprises was gradually becoming uncompetitive.

And in the eighties economic crisis in Yugoslavia was visible.
What was necessary? A real reengineering of enterprises.
Managerial elite was trying to do something but communist elite was not ready for reforms.
Communists were afraid of labour strikes.

Communists were able to fight against all but not against labour unrests, they were primary labor party.
And they have tried to maintain status quo.

Big mistake!

The crisis intensified, enterprises were increasingly innefective, one of temporary solution was to borrow abroad.
And what happens when a crisis arises in multinational country as Yugoslavia, nationalisms began to grow.
In Slovenia and Croatia nationalists began to demand separatism, in Serbia unitarism.
Mr. Jansa and Mr. Tudjman were separatists, and Mr. Milosevic was unitarist, but all of them undermined the Yugoslav government that could cope with the problems.
In a way, they all together were allies!

But Slovenian, Croatian and Serbian nationalists were result of economic crisis of the eighties.
Thus, the self-managing socialism proved innefective even though it had a lot of good points.




It is stupid, it is not for comment.
I'm not saying that a Muslim cannot criticize Christianity, and Albanian cannot criticize Slavic nations, but in this case there are limits of good taste.

Your post is provocative. First i am not a Muslim, but even if I was I would not consider an problem for me. I am albanian and for us the nationality is before religion.
Theoretical Communism was a creation of Western Europe, mainly Germany.
Practical communism, implemented was a creature of Slavic Orthodoxy.

Yugoslav case constitutes an exception because Tito managed to hold back the Serbian element in the federation,and in this way to maintain balance in the federation.But this system set up by Tito needs financing , which arrived from the West.
West accepted to finance Tito project for reasons related to the conjuncture of the Cold War.

Disintegration of Yugoslavia began after Tito's death. Serbia sought to take command and put them without asking others.This led to the demolition of balances, and the disintegration of Yugoslavia.


The first signal were student protests in Pristina in Kosovo 11 and March 26, 1981 and later involvement of the entire Albanian population in dates 1 and 2 April 1981.

So where this thing started, it ended

You say:
"Tens and tens of thousand of people due to poverty left Albania and went to Serbia".
I had never heard before, can you elaborate this?

I think that you seek to provoke me.If you want we can continue to this:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27710-Illyrian-Albanian-Continuity?p=438004#post438004
 
Your post is provocative. First i am not a Muslim, but even if I was I would not consider an problem for me. I am albanian and for us the nationality is before religion.
Theoretical Communism was a creation of Western Europe, mainly Germany.
Practical communism, implemented was a creature of Slavic Orthodoxy.

Yugoslav case constitutes an exception because Tito managed to hold back the Serbian element in the federation,and in this way to maintain balance in the federation.But this system set up by Tito needs financing , which arrived from the West.
West accepted to finance Tito project for reasons related to the conjuncture of the Cold War.

Disintegration of Yugoslavia began after Tito's death. Serbia sought to take command and put them without asking others.This led to the demolition of balances, and the disintegration of Yugoslavia.


The first signal were student protests in Pristina in Kosovo 11 and March 26, 1981 and later involvement of the entire Albanian population in dates 1 and 2 April 1981.

So where this thing started, it ended

You say:
"Tens and tens of thousand of people due to poverty left Albania and went to Serbia".
I had never heard before, can you elaborate this?

I think that you seek to provoke me.If you want we can continue to this:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27710-Illyrian-Albanian-Continuity?p=438004#post438004



Not Only Psychotic but also provocateur and propagadinst,

The man not only History of the communist movements, but also spreads propagadindistic lies,

The first communist Philoshoper was St Ambrose from Milan superfluum quod tenes tu furaris
then we have Jean Jack ROusseau
Jack Pierre Brisot
PieRre Joseph Proudhon
Where they Germans?

All modern taxation System is based upon the anarchy part of Communists theory the Proudhon Theory and effort .
IN WEST EUROPE SOSIALISM EXIST MUCH BEFORE BOLSEVIK's OCTOBER DUE TO PROUDHON;s ANARCHY THEORY AND TAXATION SYSTEM.
which later evolute by Caynes

so France and England with Fourrier and (gash i can't remember his name name, he was BritisH with a name with L).


Now from Marx times the religion was considered as the 'people's opium'
[B said:
King Bardhyl;438683[/B]]
Practical communism, implemented was a creature of Slavic Orthodoxy.
and you say that a christian Church gave birth to Communism?
MAYBE YOU ARE AN ATHEIST DUE TO COMMUNIST HODZA? BUT WASN"T HODZA THE COMMUNIST ETERNAL (FOR LIFE PRESIDENT) THAT SAID TO YOU DROP ALL RELIGIONS CAUSE THEY DO YOU HARM?
OR NOT?
SO COMMUNIST WHO CLOSED ALL CHURCHES AND TEMENS IN THEIR TERRITORIES WERE SLVIC ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS?

so he
th
was an Orthodox Christian SLAV?


WHOM YOU KIDDING?
AND I ASK YOU POPE JOHN FROM POLLAND? WAS IN DUEL WITH COMMUNISTS OF POLAND FOR WHAT? CAUSE THEY WERE ORTHODOX?
is that you are telling us?




Pathetic
I BELIEVE STILL INSIDE YOU LIVE THE GHOST OF HODZA COMMUNISM.
you see every where Albanians, you say communism was german invation, and SLAV Orthodox Christians creature the 'living communism?
So for you slavic orthodox church drop all monarchies, and all systems and replace them with Communism?
was Slavic orthodox church also the one who brought Communist Hodza in Albania?
or Mao tse Tung in China was Slav Orthodox?, Naaa. Fidel Castro maybe?
or in Madrid and Barcelona?
The civil war in SPAIN among Franco, Communists and Anarchists was a creation of Slavic Orthodox Church?
the Parishian Communa was a creation by Slavic orthodox Church? maybe by German Carl Marx? :useless:


WHAT IS the NEXT you are gonna say?

the Slavic Orthodox Patriarches and Priests were members of communists party? hah?

you can not hide anymore,
 
Last edited:
You are an ignorant and i am not going to lose my time with you.

"Now from Marx times the religion was considered as the 'people's opium'"
It was Lenin not Marx.
 
You are an ignorant and i am not going to lose my time with you.

"Now from Marx times the religion was considered as the 'people's opium'"
It was Lenin not Marx.

Theoretical Communism was a creation of Western Europe, mainly Germany.
Practical communism, implemented was a creature of Slavic Orthodoxy.

If I compare this 2 posts of Yours, then

LENIN WAS A LEADER OF SLAVIC ORTHODOXY? correct for you?
what about them?
 
If I compare this 2 posts of Yours, then

LENIN WAS A LEADER OF SLAVIC ORTHODOXY? correct?


PS
If I was you, I would search a place to hide due to shame.

You have to understand something, I have no desire to talk to you. You are annoying and ignorant.
 
You are an ignorant and i am not going to lose my time with you.

"Now from Marx times the religion was considered as the 'people's opium'"
It was Lenin not Marx.

Theoretical Communism was a creation of Western Europe, mainly Germany.
Practical communism, implemented was a creature of Slavic Orthodoxy.

If I compare this 2 posts of Yours, then

LENIN WAS A LEADER OF SLAVIC ORTHODOXY? correct for you?
what about them?



th
Hodza


250px-Jaruzelski_Castro_1972.jpg
Fidel castro, Miroslav Jaruzelski

th
Mao


200px-CeausescuKim1971.jpg
Ceausescu and Kim Sung


200px-Isaac_Puente.jpg
Puente Barcelona Anarchists, was he an Orthodox Slav also?


PS
If I was you, I would search a place to hide due to shame.

not only you see Albanians everywhere,
now you see as Orthodox Slavs all these people

extra-nationalistic PSYCHOSIS



οη, not to forget

uncleho.jpg


perhaps he was an Orthodox Slav,
laughing.gif


Tell us in the Forum.
Enver Hodza was an Orthodox Slav and create and lead Communist party in Albania? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

 
Last edited:
as my slavic work friends state ( a slovene and a croat ), everything started to go bad when the Serbs announced that the slovene and croat languages ( and other languages in yugoslavia) where dialects and will be replaced in schools by the serbian language...........the match was lit , is what they said

Don't know where you heard that. It is total lie. Never was anything similar tried or even talked about in Yugoslavia. Something like that would be totally anti Yugoslavian.

There was not even a Serbian language in Yugoslavia, it was called Serbo-Croat in Serbia, and Croato-Serb in Croatia. Practically the same language. When I read an article or the book, I often can't tell you for sure if it was on Croatian or Serbian.

Macedonians and Slovens on the other hand speak somewhat different languages which couldn't have been made equal to Serbian or Croatian.
 
Tell us in the Forum.
Enver Hodza was an Orthodox Slav and create and lead Communist party in Albania? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


Enver Hoxha comes from Muslim Albanian family (Bektashi islam), he was Albanian communist leader.

In his time Albania was by far the poorest country in Europe, country of bunkers and without human rights.

In Serbia and Yugoslavia Albanians had human rights to the highest world standards and have received enormous financial support of Republic of Serbia and Yugoslav federation.

Probably about 100.000 Albanians (maybe more) fled Albania and came to live in Yugoslavia, mostly Serbia, due to poverty and repression they had in Albania.

Average Albanian, lived much better in Serbia and Yugoslavia than in Albania, had much better prospects and he or she was a free human being.

It is unbelievable that Enver Hoxha and his companions wanted to conquer the parts of Serbia/Yugoslavia and Greece and make Greater Albania, but their country was drowning in poverty and they were not able to feed the population.

People in other parts of Serbia and Yugoslavia gave hard earned income for areas where Albanians lived, but no thanks and joint efforts for a better tomorrow, but attempt to revitalize old (but failed) dreams of Greater Albania and setting back to the Islamic Ottoman Empire in the Balkans in early XIX century.
 
In Serbia and Yugoslavia Albanians had human rights to the highest world standards and have received enormous financial support of Republic of Serbia and Yugoslav federation.

Probably about 100.000 Albanians (maybe more) fled Albania and came to live in Yugoslavia, mostly Serbia, due to poverty and repression they had in Albania.



It is unbelievable that Enver Hoxha and his companions wanted to conquer the parts of Serbia/Yugoslavia and Greece and make Greater Albania, but their country was drowning in poverty and they were not able to feed the population.

People in other parts of Serbia and Yugoslavia gave hard earned income for areas where Albanians lived, but no thanks and joint efforts for a better tomorrow, but attempt to revitalize old (but failed) dreams of Greater Albania and setting back to the Islamic Ottoman Empire in the Balkans in early XIX century.



1-Probably about 100.000 Albanians (maybe more) fled Albania and came to live in Yugoslavia, mostly Serbia, due to poverty and repression they had in Albania.
This is really beautifull, can you bring me some references? It`s very curious, never heard before.

2-It is unbelievable that Enver Hoxha and his companions wanted to conquer the parts of Serbia/Yugoslavia and Greece and make Greater Albania, but their country was drowning in poverty and they were not able to feed the population.

1962
Milovan Djilas:
Albania - Swallow it!


Milovan Djilas (1911-1995) was a writer and leading Yugoslav politician from Montenegro. He was a major figure of Yugoslav communism after the Second World War, but later, by 1954, became a prominent critic of Tito and spent many years in prison. In January 1948, Djilas was sent to Moscow to negotiate with Stalin, with whom Yugoslavia was still allied. Their meetings and discussions, revealed by Djilas in his book "Conversations with Stalin," dealt among other things with Albania, as seen in the following extracts. Stalin's obvious indifference to Albania contrasts sharply with the official admiration with which he was held in Albania throughout the Hoxha regime. In the 1980s, Albania was the last country on earth still to revere Joseph Stalin.


As usual, at about nine o’clock in the evening they took me to the Kremlin, to Stalin’s office. Gathered there were Stalin, Molotov, and Zhdanov. The last, as was known to me, had charge in the Politburo of maintaining relations with foreign parties.
After the customary greetings, Stalin immediately got down to business: “So, members of the Central Committee in Albania are killing themselves over you! This is very inconvenient, very inconvenient.”
I began to explain: Nako Spiru was against linking Albania with Yugoslavia; he isolated himself in his own Central Committee. I had not even finished when, to my surprise, Stalin said: “We have no special interest in Albania. We agree to Yugoslavia swallowing Albania! ...” At this he gathered together the fingers of his right hand and, bringing them to his mouth, he made a motion as if to swallow them.
I was astonished, almost struck dumb by Stalin’s manner of expressing himself and by the gesture of swallowing, but I do not know whether this was visible on my face, for I tried to make a joke of it and to regard this as Stalin’s customary drastic and picturesque manner of expression. Again I explained: “It is not a matter of swallowing, but unification!”
At this Molotov interjected: “But that is swallowing!”
And Stalin added, again with that gesture of his: “Yes, yes. Swallowing! But we agree with you: you ought to swallow Albania—the sooner the better.”
Despite this manner of expression, the whole atmosphere was cordial and more than friendly. Even Molotov expressed that bit about swallowing with an almost humorous amiability which was hardly usual with him.
I approached a rapprochement and unification with Albania with sincere and, of course, revolutionary motives.

[extracts from Milovan Djilas. Conversations with Stalin. Translated from the Serbo-Croatian by Michael B. Petrovich (New York: Harcourt, Brace & World, 1962). pp. 78-79, 133-138, 143-147.]

3-People in other parts of Serbia and Yugoslavia gave hard earned income for areas where Albanians lived, but no thanks and joint efforts for a better tomorrow, but attempt to revitalize old (but failed) dreams of Greater Albania and setting back to the Islamic Ottoman Empire in the Balkans in early XIX century.

You are speaking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepča_Mines ?

4-In Serbia and Yugoslavia Albanians had human rights to the highest world standards and have received enormous financial support of Republic of Serbia and Yugoslav federation.

You are speaking about this man:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Ranković
or about thi organizations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Administration
or this beautifull place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok
 
Read this:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts20_2/AH1937_1.html
1937
Vaso Cubrilovic:
The Expulsion of the Albanians - Memorandum


"The Expulsion of the Albanians," is a memorandum prepared and written by the noted Bosnian Serb scholar and political figure Vaso Cubrilovic (1897-1990). As a student in 1914, Cubrilovic had participated in the assassination in Sarajevo of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary, the event which precipitated the First World War. Between the two wars, he was professor at the Faculty of Arts in Belgrade. A leading member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Art, Cubrilovic also held several ministerial portfolios after World War II. Among his writings is the monograph "Istorija politicke misle u Srbiji XIX veka," Belgrade 1958 (History of political thought in Serbia in the 19th century).

And this:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts20_2/AH1944_1.html
[h=4]1944
Vaso Cubrilovic:
The Minority Problem in the New Yugoslavia: Memorandum[/h] "The Minority Problem in the New Yugoslavia," is a second memorandum on the Albanians (and other minorities) written by the noted Bosnian Serb scholar and political figure Vaso Cubrilovic (1897-1990). As a student in 1914, Cubrilovic had participated in the assassination in Sarajevo of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary, the event which precipitated the First World War. Between the two wars, he was professor at the Faculty of Arts in Belgrade. A leading member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Art, Cubrilovic also held several ministerial portfolios after World War II. Among his writings is the monograph "Istorija politicke misle u Srbiji XIX veka," Belgrade 1958 (History of political thought in Serbia in the 19th century).
 
Enver Hoxha comes from Muslim Albanian family (Bektashi islam), he was Albanian communist leader.

In his time Albania was by far the poorest country in Europe, country of bunkers and without human rights.

In Serbia and Yugoslavia Albanians had human rights to the highest world standards and have received enormous financial support of Republic of Serbia and Yugoslav federation.

Probably about 100.000 Albanians (maybe more) fled Albania and came to live in Yugoslavia, mostly Serbia, due to poverty and repression they had in Albania.

Average Albanian, lived much better in Serbia and Yugoslavia than in Albania, had much better prospects and he or she was a free human being.

It is unbelievable that Enver Hoxha and his companions wanted to conquer the parts of Serbia/Yugoslavia and Greece and make Greater Albania, but their country was drowning in poverty and they were not able to feed the population.

People in other parts of Serbia and Yugoslavia gave hard earned income for areas where Albanians lived, but no thanks and joint efforts for a better tomorrow, but attempt to revitalize old (but failed) dreams of Greater Albania and setting back to the Islamic Ottoman Empire in the Balkans in early XIX century.

Some parts of your posting are unfortunately true, and of course many are exaggerations.
Like the one you are saying that Albs had fewer freedoms in their own country than their counterparts in Yugoslavia. Albanians were not allowed to travel outside of their country out of fear of being infected with capitalist ideology.
And of course Albania was doing much worse economically.
But Kosovo was intentionally left underdeveloped with the aim of them immigration to the west and emptying their ancestral lands. And it worked to certain extent.
They had a slogan:" Kosovo works, Belgrade is being build" which was true.
Albanians had to shed blood for those few apartments build by Belgrade. Serb regime was oppressive and bloody similar with Palestine today.
Have you been to Kosovo recently?
In 15 years they have build 5 times more living quarters than Belgrade build in 88 years rule,
I lived under socialism. For certain things I still get nostalgic.
The sense of security was absolute. That little paying job was secure, crime was rare, drugs nonexistent
But economically was utterly inferior to capitalism. It killed the motivation to work .
Socialism did a lot of service to capitalism. Since socialism had free health care, free education and some other free things threaten the very existence of capitalism. So capitalism had to adopt those forms to survive.
That's why the regimes today in Europe are a marriage capitalism+socialism or "mixed economies" is the term
To make my point, socialism was not entirely worthless as it was with capitalism which was not entirely worth.
 
Your friend Ike could not continue the discussion here: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27710-Illyrian-Albanian-Continuity?p=438003#post438003
Are you ready?
And stop with BS

You write something completely different.

And do not answer the questions:

Where did Albanians live better:
a) in Albania (Enver Hoxha and companions)
b) In Serbia and Yugoslavia

Where did Albanians have better human rights:
a) in Albania (Enver Hoxha and companions)
b) in Serbia and Yugoslavia.

Where did Albanians themselves like more to live:
a) in Albania (Enver Hoxha and companions)
b) in Serbia and Yugoslavia

Which did state give for development undeveloped areas:
a) Albania (Enver Hoxha and companions)
b) Serbia and Yugoslavia for undeveloped areas whee Albanians lived.

You maybe don't know how much the amount was given by Republic of Serbia and Yugoslav Federation for areas where Albanians lived but you can find, or you can ask older Albanians, they will tell you.

But the biggest problem is to restore the Middle Ages, in Yugoslavia was big progress, but today, examples:

ISIS fighter from Kosovo praises jihad in Syria
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/10/isis_fighter_from_ko.php

Albanians Fighting for ISIS earn $65/day, come from Middle Class Families
http://europenews.dk/en/node/83259

ISIS Albanian Mujahideen celebrating the liberation of Mosul in Iraq
http://tune.pk/video/3933167/isis-albanian-mujahideen-celebrating-the-liberation-of-mosul-in-irak
 

I didn't WANT to continue discussion there for 2 reasons:

1. your discussing was total off topic
2. you were speaking nonsense, jumping from one argument to another, involving random scripts and quotes that had nothing to do with conversation, etc.

Last time we spoke you said incredible things that you ought to explain. You seem only able to spill numerous amount of data, without even caring for consistency, if they are only praising your nation and detracting your neighbours. That has a name. Yetos just diagnosed you with acute case of Slavo-Orthodox-phobia, and I am joining in.
 

This thread has been viewed 80819 times.

Back
Top