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[LeBrok]

@ LeBrok
You say:
"I'm sure the new generation of Albanians has nothing to do with sins of grandfathers".

Can you tell me what are this sins of our grandfathers, pls?

What?! Are you saying that Albanians are the nation of Saints?

If you do not accept to explain, i have the all the right to think that you have an antialbanian agenda.
Thank you.

After few conversations with you I don't really care what you think anymore of me or any subject whatsoever. I only care that you treat anyone here with civility.

 

[King Bardhyl]

@ LeBrok

What?! Are you saying that Albanians are the nation of Saints?






After few conversations with you I don't really care what you think anymore of me or any subject whatsoever. I only care that you treat anyone here with civility.

I am not telling that we are a nation of Saints, we have a long list of Saints, most prominent is Mother Teresa.
All the people are product of Original sin, but your discussion was not theologic.
You say:
"I'm sure the new generation of Albanians has nothing to do with sins of grandfathers".

I am ignorant and i don`t know this sins. I know that against my people is committed a genocide with intentions of his extermination. Is called Albanian Golgotha. Started at 31.05.1779, and stopped at 10.06.1999.
So, where did you find these sins, can you tell me?




This member with nick Melancon http://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/48729-Melancon is member here from 28-04-14 and he has made 25 posts, there are 23 posts from 24-09-14 until 29-09-14 in which he insulted Albanians. The albanian members complained to you. And your answer at 25-09-14, 17:07, post #638 in http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27710-Illyrian-Albanian-Continuity/page26 was:
"Otherwise Melancone's posts are within Eupedia's guidelines.
Welcome to Eupedia Melancone".

And Melancon continue with his agenda and at 26-09-14, 01:31 post #675 he said:
"2. the Albanians are an Illyrian tribe, but their men are foreign in origin and have been taken over by foreign non-Albanian people. (most likely Ottoman Turks)"
Meanwhile the albanian member are baned .
I can bring more examples, but there is non need, all is clear.


I am member here because i think the man during his life always need to learn. I have read different your post LeBrok, and i am sorry to tell you that are are low level and do not have nothing learns from your posts.

P.S.

At 21.09.2014 Pope Francis made a visit in Albania and he said:
"Albania, terra di eroi e di martiri", "Albania, land of heroes and martirs".
He didn`t talked about the sins of our grandparents.

Maybe you know more than the Pope, so i insist that you tell this sins of our grandfathers.
Thank you.

 

[ΠΑΝΑΞ]

@Βάρδυλλε, remove the picture.
From whom you get insult? You confussing me?

_(!) is that a true or not:
The foto with the happy soldier occupy my territorial state of origin, Achelloos valley/Agrafa. The place you are pointing it is and it was always Greece and it will always be Hellas. ( not illyrian, check your patriot Aristo.)

"...αυτή δ' 'εστίν η περί Δωδώνην και Άχελλώο [...]ώκουν γάρ οί Σελλοί ενταύθα και οι καλούμενοι τότε μέν Γραικοί,νυν δε Έλληνες / Aristotle(Μετεωρ 352b)

_My "vela", have you ever joined to army? -Have you got dead people in your family as casualties from war?
_Stay of the "net" for a while, stop playstation, find a girlfriend, find a true reason to live.

 

[mihaitzateo]

Capitalism and freedom are not the same thing.
When some people will accumulate too many money,what guarantees that they will not try to enslave other people,what guarantees that these people will not use unlawful means to preserve their social status?
I do support liberty but I do not support capitalism as I do not support communism/bolshevik regime.
If you want to know which countries are most free from all world,well go take a look at Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Iceland and others like these.
These countries are neither capitalist,neither bolshevik but have very human regime,which respects the human beings a lot.
Neither capitalism,neither bolshevik regimes are respecting human beings .
Bolshevik and capitalist regimes are ill regimes,made by mentally ill people.
UK is not capitalist either,it has too much social protection for the people,to be a capitalist country.

I do support the small property of the people and the competition on the market,to keep the prices decent.
Now in bolshevik/communist regimes,the state decides with what price to sell some products.
But when we are saying "the state",it is clear that are some people ,a few people,which decides the prices.
In capitalism,some few companies are producing something.Do you think that they will be honest and not agree between them,with what price to sell the things that they are only producing?
So in capitalism,we have again a few people deciding what the price for a product should be.\
On the other hand,take freedom,with lots of small producers,you will find for sure plenty of people producing something and it will be quite impossible for them to reach a deal on the price of what they produce.
The price will drop,because of competition.
So here is how freedom and small property is clearly superior to both capitalism and bolshevik regimes.

 

[King Bardhyl]

Capitalism and freedom are not the same thing.
When some people will accumulate too many money,what guarantees that they will not try to enslave other people,what guarantees that these people will not use unlawful means to preserve their social status?
I do support liberty but I do not support capitalism as I do not support communism/bolshevik regime.
If you want to know which countries are most free from all world,well go take a look at Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Iceland and others like these.
These countries are neither capitalist,neither bolshevik but have very human regime,which respects the human beings a lot.
Neither capitalism,neither bolshevik regimes are respecting human beings .
Bolshevik and capitalist regimes are ill regimes,made by mentally ill people.
UK is not capitalist either,it has too much social protection for the people,to be a capitalist country.

I do support the small property of the people and the competition on the market,to keep the prices decent.
Now in bolshevik/communist regimes,the state decides with what price to sell some products.
But when we are saying "the state",it is clear that are some people ,a few people,which decides the prices.
In capitalism,some few companies are producing something.Do you think that they will be honest and not agree between them,with what price to sell the things that they are only producing?
So in capitalism,we have again a few people deciding what the price for a product should be.\
On the other hand,take freedom,with lots of small producers,you will find for sure plenty of people producing something and it will be quite impossible for them to reach a deal on the price of what they produce.
The price will drop,because of competition.
So here is how freedom and small property is clearly superior to both capitalism and bolshevik regimes.

And how would you make heavy industry with small property? This small, smell Maoism

 

[Garrick]

@ LeBrok





I am not telling that we are a nation of Saints, we have a long list of Saints, most prominent is Mother Teresa.
All the people are product of Original sin, but your discussion was not theologic.
You say:
"I'm sure the new generation of Albanians has nothing to do with sins of grandfathers".

I am ignorant and i don`t know this sins. I know that against my people is committed a genocide with intentions of his extermination. Is called Albanian Golgotha. Started at 31.05.1779, and stopped at 10.06.1999.
So, where did you find these sins, can you tell me?




This member with nick Melancon http://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/48729-Melancon is member here from 28-04-14 and he has made 25 posts, there are 23 posts from 24-09-14 until 29-09-14 in which he insulted Albanians. The albanian members complained to you. And your answer at 25-09-14, 17:07, post #638 in http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/27710-Illyrian-Albanian-Continuity/page26 was:
"Otherwise Melancone's posts are within Eupedia's guidelines.
Welcome to Eupedia Melancone".

And Melancon continue with his agenda and at 26-09-14, 01:31 post #675 he said:
"2. the Albanians are an Illyrian tribe, but their men are foreign in origin and have been taken over by foreign non-Albanian people. (most likely Ottoman Turks)"
Meanwhile the albanian member are baned .
I can bring more examples, but there is non need, all is clear.


I am member here because i think the man during his life always need to learn. I have read different your post LeBrok, and i am sorry to tell you that are are low level and do not have nothing learns from your posts.

P.S.

At 21.09.2014 Pope Francis made a visit in Albania and he said:
"Albania, terra di eroi e di martiri", "Albania, land of heroes and martirs".
He didn`t talked about the sins of our grandparents.

Maybe you know more than the Pope, so i insist that you tell this sins of our grandfathers.
Thank you.

Bardhilic, a little more reality and less fantasies. Who was the Muslim Ottoman fist in the Balkans over the oppressed Christian nations (Greeks, Bulgarian, Serbs etc.), the answer is very easy.

 

[King Bardhyl]

Bardhilic, a little more reality and less fantasies. Who was the Muslim Ottoman fist in the Balkans over the oppressed Christian nations (Greeks, Bulgarian, Serbs etc.), the answer is very easy.

Can you tell me why in Belgrade is a road named Ulica Yanni Konda? Who is Yanni Konda, or Kondo Bimbasi?
Read the story of your King, and pls give a contribute to understand the truth.

My nick is Bardhyl, dont ofend me with this suffix ic. And dont start with name because you serbs have very interesting names.

 

[LeBrok]

@ LeBrok

I am not telling that we are a nation of Saints, we have a long list of Saints, most prominent is Mother Teresa.

Sorry, you lost meaning of "being the nation of saints". The sense of my question was whether Albanians didn't commit any bloody deeds against other ethnicities or nations.
Here is one of them:

Bardhilic, a little more reality and less fantasies. Who was the Muslim Ottoman fist in the Balkans over the oppressed Christian nations (Greeks, Bulgarian, Serbs etc.), the answer is very easy.

 

[Sile]

Can you tell me why in Belgrade is a road named Ulica Yanni Konda? Who is Yanni Konda, or Kondo Bimbasi?
Read the story of your King, and pls give a contribute to understand the truth.

My nick is Bardhyl, dont ofend me with this suffix ic. And dont start with name because you serbs have very interesting names.

whats the road got to do with the question?...Barhydl.............I don't understand where you are going with this. We already expalined that in ancient history, over 90% of "illyrian" tribes where not in modern Albania , when celts, then followed by Romans and finally later by slavs moved in, the 90% of "illyrians" where absorbed into these societies.

I see NO match between the remaining fleeing "illyrians" who sort protection from the Macedonian and Later Roman empires as being albanians

 

[Perandor]

Sorry, you lost meaning of "being the nation of saints". The sense of my question was whether Albanians didn't commit any bloody deeds against other ethnicities or nations.
Here is one of them:

LeBrok I picked up on that "sins of grandfathers" remark too but didn't reply for the sake of not going any more offtopic than we already have. But since we are going down this path I too would like to know what sins of our grandfathers do you talk of? Because I believe I am backed by history when I say that we Albanians have always been fairly detached from Balkan affairs and have not participated in any of the bloodsheds that have happened here. How many non-fictional, documented ethnic genocides carried out by Albanians can you name? I won't even ask about wars. Lets not forget that as recently as the end of WWII, while the Greeks were exterminating Cham Albanians, Greeks in Albania were being fed and housed by the Communist regime as the rest of the country itself was in starvation. No we are not a nation of saints, but we sure as hell are not nearly as soaked in blood as our neighbors.

You bring this quote of Garrick which I can't even understand. Based on my knowledge of their tired rhetoric I am assuming he is once again referring to the "heaven" that Albanians were living in during the Ottoman Empires because they presumably switched to Islam since day one. I would reply to Garrick, but I think he doesn't like to respond to me, so I am replying to you since you seem more reasonable. Lets remind ourselves that while Scanderbeg was still fighting, the Greeks were already in bed with the Ottomans and the Serbs were just about starting to send their princesses to breed the Ottoman dynasty. Lets also not forget that when Scanderbeg was trying to join forces with Hunyadi, he was prevented from doing so by none other than the Serbs. And when all this was over and the Albanian people were broken, they were not allowed to teach their language and their lands didn't receive any significant development. The Serbs and the Greeks, the poor victims of the Ottomans, suffered no such fate. It gets my blood boiling when these people with delusions of grandeur downplay or even deny the sufferings of Albanians under the Ottoman Empire.

whats the road got to do with the question?...Barhydl.............I don't understand where you are going with this. We already expalined that in ancient history, over 90% of "illyrian" tribes where not in modern Albania , when celts, then followed by Romans and finally later by slavs moved in, the 90% of "illyrians" where absorbed into these societies.

I see NO match between the remaining fleeing "illyrians" who sort protection from the Macedonian and Later Roman empires as being albanians

And Sile, what is going on here is a discussion between people unqualified in this field. Illyrian is just a name the Ancient Greeks and the Romans gave to the people in the Western Balkans. We don't even know if they were the same people, spoke the same language or had the same traditions. We know nothing. Its just that in scientific circles the Illyrian-Albanian continuity and its variants are the most accepted, so we go by it. I am sure that these questions you and others ask have been raised a thousand times already.

 

[LeBrok]

LeBrok I picked up on that "sins of grandfathers" remark too but didn't reply for the sake of not going any more offtopic than we already have. But since we are going down this path I too would like to know what sins of our grandfathers do you talk of? Because I believe I am backed by history when I say that we Albanians have always been fairly detached from Balkan affairs and have not participated in any of the bloodsheds that have happened here. How many non-fictional, documented ethnic genocides carried out by Albanians can you name? I won't even ask about wars. Lets not forget that as recently as the end of WWII, while the Greeks were exterminating Cham Albanians, Greeks in Albania were being fed and housed by the Communist regime as the rest of the country itself was in starvation. No we are not a nation of saints, but we sure as hell are not nearly as soaked in blood as our neighbors.

I agree with this. Usually the strongest nations dominated the weaker ones, smaller nations don't have power and opportunity to impose their rules over stronger ones. Overall I'm yet to find the always peaceful people on this planet. The difference between nations is only in a scale of sins one nation committed against other, usually their neighbors. There is also in play the unknown history of Albanian people, as historically speaking Albanians are a fairly new nation on European scene. Who knows how saint Albanians were in this unknown period? However I don't think they had opportunity to do too much bad, otherwise historians would have noticed such cruel nation.

Point I was making was philosophical in nature with nothing specific in mind. "Who is without a sin cast the first stone."

 

[mihaitzateo]

And how would you make heavy industry with small property? This small, smell Maoism

Lol Bardhyl you think that a an automobile can be made only in large factories?
I will give an example,in Romania we have a small company,called Softronic that is producing electric locomotives.
They are doing quite well and they also produced now an electrical train,that they are using to transport people at decent speeds and prices.
What is again common in capitalism and bolshevik regime is producing lots of goods at large scale.
People are forced to choose between a very limited offer.
Maoism is not supporting small property,what are you talking there?
What I am talking here is about Scandinavian -like regimes which at the moment are best in the world.
Even a country with few resources like Finland with this kind of regime is having between best living standards in the world.
And a very well distributed wealth.
As I already said,both capitalism and bolshevik regimes are regimes made by mentally ill people.
In neither of these regimes (capitalism or bolshevik regimes) wealth is distributed,there is a leading class,controlling most goods,and a class of half-slaves which are working hard to maintain the status of the leading class.

 

[King Bardhyl]

Can you tell me why in Belgrade is a road named Ulica Yanni Konda? Who is Yanni Konda, or Kondo Bimbasi?
Read the story of your King, and pls give a contribute to understand the truth.

My nick is Bardhyl, dont ofend me with this suffix ic. And dont start with name because you serbs have very interesting names.

Again the same story i made an simple question and nobody know the story of his country.
i am going to explain now. Yanni Kondo or as he is called in Serbia Kondo Bimbashi was an albanian from South Albania. He, with 300-400 albanian warriors was the first man who entered in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgrade_Fortress during the Serbian Uprising against the Ottomans. He take with war the castle from turks. For this reason one road in Belgrade has his name. OK.
About History of Serbia we can speak a lot here:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30495-King-Karađorđe-Serbian-or-Albanian

 

[King Bardhyl]

Bardhilic, a little more reality and less fantasies. Who was the Muslim Ottoman fist in the Balkans over the oppressed Christian nations (Greeks, Bulgarian, Serbs etc.), the answer is very easy.

I have read your posts Garrick. This thread is about comunism. But you have used this to speak against albanians and to pose the albanians as Taliban.
Now there are 50-100 Albanians with ISIS. This is the true. But how can you consider an entire nations terrorist starting from 50 losers, people with a lot of problems in their life?
We do not take into account all these people.Nations are like people, we consider they our defecate, and you are being excavated there. Continue with your job.

Our goverment has made ​​clear the position of Albania. In accordance with NATO plans Albanian government was among the first that helped Kurdish rebels with weaponry.
But this are plans of NATO you don`t understand this.

Rest was deleted.

 

[Ike]

I have read your posts Garrick. This thread is about comunism. But you have used this to speak against albanians and to pose the albanians as Taliban.

Yet you also failed to restrain yourself and open a separate thread ...

 

[King Bardhyl]

We should send our post to you to get your approval before posting?
In comunism this was called autocensure.

So even arrive to censorship. Well some historical truths should not say, while the antialbanian propaganda, can continue without problem, right?

 

[Ike]

You're not censored on the forum, just on this thread.
Just start a separate thread about Albanian national history and write there.

 

[King Bardhyl]

You're not censored on the forum, just on this thread.
Just start a separate thread about Albanian national history and write there.

Who suggest you this?

 

[Ike]

Nobody, it's a logical thing to do if you have a lot of things to say, and they are off-topic here.

 

[King Bardhyl]

Start to read again your posts here and the posts of Garrick, and you will see. My post censured by Big Brother had to do with the consequences of the fall of communism in the former Yugoslavia.

Must eliminate all hammers.