Y DNA R1b and homosexuality

[Fire Haired14]

What I meant was tolerant not pro-gay. You said that you are ok with gays, but they can't be around you.

It is perfectly normal for someone to be uncomfortable around gay people, and the reason goes without saying. He isn't evil or something, sure he should learn to not be uncomfortable(like with alot of things) but you shouldn't condemn him for it. Also, why do you fear from responding to me?

 

[Ike]

You said that you are ok with gays, but they can't be around you.

I'm OK with gays, I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.
I'm OK with swingers, but I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.
I'm OK with sex doll perverts, but I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.

You see the pattern? I'm totally comfortable with any of these people being around me, as long as they don't accentuate their sexual peculiarities.

 

[LeBrok]

I'm OK with gays, I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.
I'm OK with swingers, but I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.
I'm OK with sex doll perverts, but I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.

You see the pattern? I'm totally comfortable with any of these people being around me, as long as they don't accentuate their sexual peculiarities.

So when they are around you they need to act straight?

 

[LeBrok]

I'm OK with gays, I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.
I'm OK with swingers, but I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.
I'm OK with sex doll perverts, but I'm not OK with public display of their perversion.

You see the pattern? I'm totally comfortable with any of these people being around me, as long as they don't accentuate their sexual peculiarities.

So when they are around you they need to act straight?
When was the last time gays or swingers "perverted around" you?

 

[LeBrok]

It is perfectly normal for someone to be uncomfortable around gay people, and the reason goes without saying. He isn't evil or something, sure he should learn to not be uncomfortable(like with alot of things) but you shouldn't condemn him for it.

You might have an argument with Ike then.

Also, why do you fear from responding to me?

No idea what you mean.

 

[LeBrok]

Ed. And just why do some of you care so much what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms? Are they harming you in some way? I swear, maybe there's something to the idea that men who are so viciously anti-gay harbor unresolved homosexual feelings themselves, or at least are very insecure about their sexuality.

From politicians to clergy, the ones who teach us and set antigay legislation are often caught red handed "romancing" with another man.

 

[LeBrok]

I am sick of you treating me as if I am some type of right-wing separatist.

Why separatist?

Is the way people reacted to Robertson not hating, or how people who have differnt opinons are treated(like this) by establishments? It is as if it's against the law not to be far-left.

I have a feeling that everybody not agreeing with you is "far left".

You'll just ignore that the people you support are snobbish-oppressors who lie(posed this man as a raciest) and send propaganda via the media, and still act as if their hippy underdogs.

Go ahead Lebrok, post another one of your snobby Christian-bashing comments.

Last time we talked about religion you bashed all the Catholics. The last time I checked they were christians.

Modern liberalism is largely about hating anything that's conservative.

Not true, I'm a fiscal conservative, and I'm still undecided about abortion. I just don't see a reason to oppress people and I love freedoms, but I never was a hippy. And for that I'm a conservo-liberal.

All you liberals use the same old phrases and ways to express yourself, yet every time you say it you think it's new(1960's have been over for over 40 years) and groundbreaking.

Thanks to oppressive and intolerant people like you we still have to fight to open their minds.

 

[Ike]

So when they are around you they need to act straight?

No, they don't need to act straight, in fact they don't need to do anything. The problem starts because they are obsessed with making other people aware of what their sexual preferences are. They can achieve their sexual climax pushing their organs into front end, back end, hole in the ground, car exhaust system; watching children pornography cartoons, graveyard pictures, funerals; caressing trees, glass, thin air; I don't care as long as I don't know anything about it...

When was the last time gays or swingers "perverted around" you?

Never, because West thinks that's socially unacceptable. I guess it's a Muslim thing, and that's why they're against it, otherwise we'd be overflown with those requests too.

 

[Ike]

You might have an argument with Ike then.

He doesn't. It is initial reaction for a normal person to feel scared, confused and uncomfortable once it becomes aware of concept of homosexuality.

You know, after years of killing and dying, bombing, starvation, and seeing it all over and again live or on TV....when you see a slashed corpse with it's penis cut off and put in his mouth, you kinda become dull for those things and you lose your vomiting reflex for simple things like anal sex or gay people. Now I could wade through a whole filed of naked gays with a smile on my face :grin: Thank you Vatican, you've made me gay tolerant

 

[Maleth]

Ed. And just why do some of you care so much what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms? Are they harming you in some way? I swear, maybe there's something to the idea that men who are so viciously anti-gay harbor unresolved homosexual feelings themselves, or at least are very insecure about their sexuality.

...............Spot on

 

[Maleth]

Do you have sources for undergroud gay bars in the middle east, or are you making assumptions?/QUOTE]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-19525136

 

[RobertColumbia]

Whether or not homosexuality is expressed on the Y-chromosome(which I doubt) should not really matter. From these maps we can safely see a shocking pattern. However I bet there are as many homosexuals and trans people in non R1b countries as in R1b countries. Perhaps we could say that R1b countries have begun to tolerate homosexuality better than most non R1b countries. But that would be due to culture and social progress rather than genetics.

Yes, this is a more likely possibility. Perhaps we could call whatever it is on R1b that we think does this the "Celtic 'don't razz on the gays' gene".

 

[DuPidh]

Richer countries are more liberal than poor ones generally speaking. That's why LGBT have highest freedoms of expression in Western Europe. It just happened that Western Europe is rich in R1b therefore you see a missleading corelation, between R1b and homoseuality. There is no causation.

Russia and China and few others are evenements in case of abortions. This was set by communist party decree few decades ago. Society didn't have chance to vote for or against, unlike in the Western free countries.[/QUOT

Liberalism and wealth are not related. Liberalism is a cultural attitude of some Northern Europeans. Historically Netherlands has been known as a society open to ideas that were heresy for others. If it was not for their liberalism and setting standards for accepting thinking differently we still might have not known that earth rotates. It was there where Galileo published his findings. And Neatherland was not rich at that time. Even today they are open to gayness, drugs and legal prostitution. Their attitude was later embraced by other Northern European countries.
Gayness is more pronounced in Germanic countries. I don't think has to do anything with R1. But I think is a genetic disorder.

 

[Fire Haired14]

Gayness is more pronounced in Germanic countries. I don't think has to do anything with R1. But I think is a genetic disorder.

Is there anyway to prove this. Just speculation.

 

[LeBrok]

Richer countries are more liberal than poor ones generally speaking. That's why LGBT have highest freedoms of expression in Western Europe. It just happened that Western Europe is rich in R1b therefore you see a missleading corelation, between R1b and homoseuality. There is no causation.

Russia and China and few others are evenements in case of abortions. This was set by communist party decree few decades ago. Society didn't have chance to vote for or against, unlike in the Western free countries.[/QUOT

Liberalism and wealth are not related. Liberalism is a cultural attitude of some Northern Europeans. Historically Netherlands has been known as a society open to ideas that were heresy for others. If it was not for their liberalism and setting standards for accepting thinking differently we still might have not known that earth rotates. It was there where Galileo published his findings. And Neatherland was not rich at that time. Even today they are open to gayness, drugs and legal prostitution. Their attitude was later embraced by other Northern European countries.
Gayness is more pronounced in Germanic countries. I don't think has to do anything with R1. But I think is a genetic disorder.

Can you show us an example of poor county that is liberal?

 

[RobertColumbia]

Can you show us an example of poor county that is liberal?

Venezuela perhaps? I might claim Brazil too. They might not be on the list of the top ten most liberal countries, but they are certainly more liberal than, say, Russia or Iran.

At the sub-country level, you sometimes see liberal, but poor, regions of countries. This is so in many poor urban areas of the USA, which overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic party (the more liberal of the two main political parties, and the one generally in favor of increased welfare and socialized medicine). By contrast, poor rural areas there tend to be highly conservative. There may also be a racial aspect to that because poor urban areas in the USA tend to be overwhelmingly black, while rural poverty there tends to be overwhelmingly white.

 

[Angela]

There are a lot of papers that claim that homosexual initiation rites were a part of the "Indo-European" cultural package. We don't know if it was also a part of the European Neolithic.
https://books.google.com/books?id=1...omosexuality among the Indo-Europeans&f=false

However, it does exist in some hunter-gatherers in New Guinea, so I would think a logical conclusion might be that it existed in all human societies to one degree or another.

 

[Maleth]

However, it does exist in some hunter-gatherers in New Guinea, so I would think a logical conclusion might be that it existed in all human societies to one degree or another.

There is no doubt about that, just look at the gay communities in New York they practically come from ethnicities, from all over the world. Chinese, Arab, African....you name it

 

[LeBrok]

Venezuela perhaps? I might claim Brazil too. They might not be on the list of the top ten most liberal countries, but they are certainly more liberal than, say, Russia or Iran.

I would say, developing countries with developing freedoms.

At the sub-country level, you sometimes see liberal, but poor, regions of countries. This is so in many poor urban areas of the USA, which overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic party (the more liberal of the two main political parties, and the one generally in favor of increased welfare and socialized medicine). By contrast, poor rural areas there tend to be highly conservative. There may also be a racial aspect to that because poor urban areas in the USA tend to be overwhelmingly black, while rural poverty there tends to be overwhelmingly white.

I would say that poor vote Democratic, because Democrats always promise more for the poor than conservatives. Best example is Medicare program by Obama. Otherwise I think they have similar level of conservatism and liberalism.

 

[DuPidh]

Can you show us an example of poor county that is liberal?

Thailand came to my mind. They appear to be more open to sexuality. I am not talking about female prostitution. I am talking about their attitude for gays.