G2a Indo European?

[Regio X]

The svan people of georgia from the current confereance in st Loius

Focused on the Svan population

mtDNA
H-18%
K-15%
U1-8%
U2-7%
U3-2%
U4-2%
U5-2%
U5a-1%
U6-2%
U7-1%
W-1%
W6-12%
R0a1a
T-3%
C-4%
D-2%
X2-6%
X2a-1%
X4-1%

The Svan are an outlier with the Caucasus pops

yDNA
G2a1a-76%
G2a1c-3%
J2a1-6%
N-1%
I2-4%
R1a-10%

Estimating the MRCA of G2a at 12.6kya via STRs

Svans live between Ossets and Abkhaz in YDNA frequencies.

New numbers:
G, formed 47900 - TMRCA 26300 ybp (http://www.yfull.com/tree/G/)
G2, 26300/20500
G2a, 20500/17800

The supposedly associated with Indo-European migrations
P303 (G2a2b2a), 14500/11000 - about 86% of Adyghe Shapsugs (Circassian people)
U1... (G2a2b2a1a), 10400/10400
L497 (G2a2b2a1b), 10400/9400 - probably not Raethian nor Etruscan

 

[LeBrok]

New numbers:
G2a, 20500/17800,

It fits pre Natufians, beginning of harvesting agriculture?

The supposedly associated with Indo-European migrations
P303 (G2a2b2a), 14500/11000 - about 86% of Adyghe Shapsugs (Circassian people)

Fits Natufian period.

 

[Fluffy]

New numbers:
G, formed 47900 - TMRCA 26300 ybp (http://www.yfull.com/tree/G/)
G2, 26300/20500
G2a, 20500/17800

The supposedly associated with Indo-European migrations
P303 (G2a2b2a), 14500/11000 - about 86% of Adyghe Shapsugs (Circassian people)
U1... (G2a2b2a1a), 10400/10400
L497 (G2a2b2a1b), 10400/9400 - probably not Raethian nor Etruscan

If not Raethian or Etruscan, what is it?

 

[Regio X]

Fits Natufian period.

Indeed!

If not Raethian or Etruscan, what is it?

Here are some theories: https://sites.google.com/site/haplogroupgproject/-european-migrations
"The Etruscan takeover in northern Italy beginning about 700 B.C.E. and Raetian movement into parts of Switzerland and Austria soon after would have been too late to have caused the L497 dispersal."

 

[Sile]

If not Raethian or Etruscan, what is it?

see 2013 paper

http://www.blutspendezurich.ch/Medi...h resolution mapping of Y haplogroup G(2).pdf

G-L497 is origins in West-Austria

80% of G in the area is G-L497

its found in majority in west Austria, veneto and trentino

 

[Fluffy]

see 2013 paper

http://www.blutspendezurich.ch/Medi...h resolution mapping of Y haplogroup G(2).pdf

G-L497 is origins in West-Austria

80% of G in the area is G-L497

its found in majority in west Austria, veneto and trentino

Great paper Sile! Thanks!

 

[Regio X]

see 2013 paper

http://www.blutspendezurich.ch/Medi...h resolution mapping of Y haplogroup G(2).pdf

G-L497 is origins in West-Austria

80% of G in the area is G-L497

its found in majority in west Austria, veneto and trentino

So, L497 formed 10.400 years B.P. in Austria? And that's just because 80% of G Austrian are L497?

 

[Sile]

So, L497 formed 10.400 years B.P. in Austria? And that's just because 80% of G Austrian are L497?

there where no germans in Austria at the time G=L497 formed

actually, there where no germans there until After the fall of the Roman empire

 

[Fluffy]

there where no germans in Austria at the time G=L497 formed

actually, there where no germans there until After the fall of the Roman empire

No one ever said G L497 is Germanic lol.

 

[Fluffy]

Those are even older than Otzi.
So, clearly, G2 had already been present for quite some time when the IE folk began arriving in the area.

I think that's been established.