Politics EU Frontex and Illegal immigration,

Vallicanus said:
We are not our brother's (or
sister's) keeper.

25 years ago the peoples of Eastern Europe threw off Communist oppression.

Why can't Subsaharan Africans not throw off their own political oppressors?
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Its mostly Somalia and Eritrea but these two countries should be at par with the rest. Even Kenya has an issue with Somali Refugies claiming over a million. With this kind of aid apart the aid from the USA and China this should not be happening.
Other countries donate individually too. I know my country does and various religious orders have built hospitals and schools in some remote areas besides all the extra funding collected during the years. Why is this happening?

https://ec.europa.eu/europeaid/funding/about-funding-and-procedures/sources-funding_en
 
bicicleur said:
if it's against the law to send them back this law should be abolished
maybe we should let them all drown, is there any law that says we should rescue them if they ship themselves on unseaworthy vessels ?
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Yes the international laws for shipwreck, floatsam and jetsam
 
giuseppe rossi said:
These people have more rights to be in Europe than you, my Afro Semitic buddy.
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I'm amazed a racist like you (Joseph Capelli on other sites) can write that!

But they ARE Africans and Semites (Syrians).

I'm European.
 
Consider yourselves both cautioned. Keep to the topic, leave innuendos out of it, and also refrain from further insults, or you will each get infractions.
 
Vallicanus said:
With respect, can we class illegal migration as moral?
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Are you seriously going to give moral (or immoral) equivalence to poor, desperate people fleeing a war zone who break the law by trying to enter a country illegally with supposedly civilized members of the European community standing by and watching those men, women and children drown in front of their eyes when they could very easily save them?
 
the immorals are the traffick-ers. the slave-merchants of today,
and the 'sharks' the ones who use them either by 'black workers' either by 'black market sellers' etc etc. no need to expand that these people soon they will be easy target and victims to every European immoral and 'strange thinking'
and the warlords, religious, gangs, politicians prophets etc who earn money, or glory by just raiding unarmed, looting, enslave and sell souls,
I still remember Nigeria's 300 little girls,

population that can not be absorved, or deformed/reformed soon turn into getto populations, and become anti-social, cause hate enter among previous and newcomers.
 
Sile said:
problem is that a law needs to be in place in Europe........no papers, we send you back to where your boat came from. When we have your papers, then we proceed with your acceptance or decline for immigration. lost papers is not an excuse, neither is stolen papers etc ..............Europe is not united because it has nations, remove nations, and give power to brussels. If you do not like this, then leave the EU and make your own rules ........what are they going to do if you refuse to take in 100% illegal immigrants
Malta refuses 100% , they boat them to Italy and Greece
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It is easy to say,

but tell me,
from nowhere comes a boat, and people with no pappers are on it, and 'hit' the rocks on the land

since they have no pappers? a state, with EU laws and treaties where will send back these people?
and which country will accept them? with not her own pappers?

many that returned back to their homes with EU money spend for travel, tell their real ID after 3-5 years when they are despaired!!!!!!
and many times take 2-6 months so that their home-state recogns their ID and accept them
but in 50% the home state did not recognise them,
so consider your shelf to lost in purpose your papers, caught for illegal immigration, after 5 years you give/tell your real ID, and because you are a Christian or a Kurd, or a Shiit or Suni your real homeland denies your return or can not identify you?

the only solution is to let them drown or shoot them when they step the land, but that is against European laws and international laws for sea shipwreckage floatsma and jetsam etc etc

it is like a movie with a person that spend his life in an international zone in an airport, having no pappers to return back, and no passport to enter the new country.


traffickers and slave merchants knew the laws and the treaties, better that we, to this trust me,
 
You say you want to kill migrants and yet your own Greek ancestry has a great deal of West Asian, South West Asian, Caucasus and Red Sea mixture according to th Eupedia genetic maps.
 
LOL

Vallicanus is a Jewish immigrant in Scotland and talks about MENA admixture in Greece.

Internet is crazy.
 
You know this how?

In any case Yetos should be banned for suggesting the killing of migrants.
 
Angela said:
Are you seriously going to give moral (or immoral) equivalence to poor, desperate people fleeing a war zone who break the law by trying to enter a country illegally with supposedly civilized members of the European community standing by and watching those men, women and children drown in front of their eyes when they could very easily save them?
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The majority is neither poor - it takes several thousands of euro's to plan this - nor fleeing. Take a look at 0.18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDDJzclnzXA

Whats up? Money! Money! Money!
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It's the political correct brigade that showers the illegals with rights until they get a permit to stay that keeps this in place. They have blood on their hands.
 
Siles said:
Malta refuses 100% , they boat them to Italy and Greece
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This is not possible according to EU law. Applications need to be processed by the country port of call. So far Malta processed nearly 20,000 applications. Just to get an idea equivalent to 3 million applications in the UK population wise. since the UK (as an example has a population of 150 times that of Malta (if not more).
 
Maleth said:
This is not possible according to EU law. Applications need to be processed by the country port of call. So far Malta processed nearly 20,000 applications. Just to get an idea equivalent to 3 million applications in the UK population wise. since the UK (as an example has a population of 150 times that of Malta (if not more).
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20.000 of them got maltese citizenship nowadays?
 
Hauteville said:
20.000 of them got maltese citizenship nowadays?
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No Hauteville, none of the immigrants get citizenship, a small percentage are sent back as they would not qualify as refugees (like Nigerians and North Africans). A group usually vandalize the premises when they find out they would be going back. The vast majority that qualify for refugee status will be placed in detention centres. Then released to the community who qualify for free health and unemployment benefits and temporary working permits. Very few were taken up by the USA (some 150). The EU just send money to improve conditions in the detention centres and other costs incurred, but not interested in burden sharing as they say they have their own anti immigration issues in their own countries. Some find employment mostly in construction industry. In reality when interviewed none of the immigrants had any intention to be in Malta but their aim is bigger cities in Europe and going to the US. They state this time and time again.
 
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