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A paper was published yesterday with genomes of people who lived in El Portalón cave in the Atapuerca Spain. between 3500 and 1500 BC(Ancient genomes link early farmers from Atapuerca in Spain to modern-day Basques). Their DNA data is publicly available and Geneticker analysed it, here are the results he got.
I added the results to my spreadsheet: Ancient West Eurasian Y DNA:
3/4(I2a2a, H2) have typical Neolithic lineages which are unheard of in Iberia and rare everywhere in Europe today. But the oldest individual(ATP3) looks like he had R1b1a2, the most popular lineage in West Europe today. Others are going to analyse ATP3's Y DNA to confirm or disprove the results Geneticker got.
Assuming ATP3 had R1b1a2: If R1b1a2a1a-L151 arrived from East Europe around 2800 BC, how do we explain R1b1a2 in Spain in 3500 BC? I guess it could be a lone R1b1a2 lineage that made it to Iberia and died out.
It could also be ancestral to modern R1b1a2a1a-L151 and our age estimates for it are just way off. Maybe R1b1a2a-L23 originated somewhere in East Europe or West Asia, and one branch made it's way to Europe remained a very rare lineage for several millennial and by luck and founder effects became popular.
In my opinion either ATP3 didn't have R1b1a2 or his R1b1a2-lineage died out. An origin in East Europe for R1b1a2a1a-L151 still makes the most sense to me.
I added the results to my spreadsheet: Ancient West Eurasian Y DNA:
3/4(I2a2a, H2) have typical Neolithic lineages which are unheard of in Iberia and rare everywhere in Europe today. But the oldest individual(ATP3) looks like he had R1b1a2, the most popular lineage in West Europe today. Others are going to analyse ATP3's Y DNA to confirm or disprove the results Geneticker got.
Assuming ATP3 had R1b1a2: If R1b1a2a1a-L151 arrived from East Europe around 2800 BC, how do we explain R1b1a2 in Spain in 3500 BC? I guess it could be a lone R1b1a2 lineage that made it to Iberia and died out.
It could also be ancestral to modern R1b1a2a1a-L151 and our age estimates for it are just way off. Maybe R1b1a2a-L23 originated somewhere in East Europe or West Asia, and one branch made it's way to Europe remained a very rare lineage for several millennial and by luck and founder effects became popular.
In my opinion either ATP3 didn't have R1b1a2 or his R1b1a2-lineage died out. An origin in East Europe for R1b1a2a1a-L151 still makes the most sense to me.