When I'm talking about Iranid race I do mean folks who speak Iranic as their native language. The same folks who always spoke Iranic as their native language. 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000 years ago. People who gave birth to that Iranic language were Iranid.
Goga said:
I'm R1a*. And I'm neither Z93 nor Z283. And I'm originally, native to Kurdistan, more precisely Shengal, Northern Mesopotamia. Where Sunni Muslim Daesh monkeys, Semitic Jews and the USA killed my people. Y-DNA hg. R1a is the most diverse in West Asia. In West Asia you can find R1a ancestral to Z93 and Z283 and even more archaic M417. In West Asia you can find all kind of ancient R1a. The R1a* to which I do belong is the most ancient one.
Goga said:
The important thing that we have learned from the recent spate of ancient DNA results is that ANE [Ancient North Eurasian autosomal component] and Y-DNA R did not come from an ice age refuge in Europe. The refuge was in Siberia. Any hunter-gatherer in Europe with an element of ANE had ancestors from Siberia. This included EHG and SHG. Foragers with ANE and Y-DNA R did not arrive in Europe until long after the Ice Age maximum.
I hope this map makes matters clear:
http://s13.postimg.org/lwt6blh2v/Ice_Age_Max_Map.gif
I should have added ANE to Y-DNA R in my key.
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I look at DNA samples in their cultural context.
The regions I outlined in red contain hunter-gatherer sites that survived the LGM. These refuge areas were relatively protected in the Ice Age. The coniferous forest refuge near Lake Baikal included the Mal'ta site (24,000 years ago) with a boy carrying ANE autosomal and Y-DNA R. Early pottery was present in the Lake Baikal region - the type that arrived in the Samara region on the Volga c. 7000 BC.
The refuge around the upper Yenisei river was sheltered by mountains. It include..d the site at Afontova Gora, with a male carrying ANE (17,000 years ago). This site had pressure blade-making technology. This complex technique was most probably handed down within families and so would have spread by migration. Like pottery, it arrived between the Urals and the Caspian in the Mesolithic. It also reached Lapland by a more northerly route about 5836 BC.
The major barrier was the expanded Caspian, which butted up against the Urals, as David Anthony pointed out in The Horse, The Wheel and Language. It was not completely impassible, but it seems that the bands of hunter-gatherers who clustered around the Yenisei and Lake Baikal were more tempted to roam from their refuge after the climate improved.
Alan said:
J Man said:
Aliens, Gods, Annunaki, Angels you can call them whatever you want. I do really believe that modern Abrahamic (/Semitic) religions are wrong. But at the end of the day modern religions are as ridiculous as the ancient one. Religion is still a religion. At least ancient religions were more fun, so let me have some fun ...
Mal'ta boy was 20000 years old. I’m talking about R1* and R2*. You will find most of R2 in SouthCentral Asia and not in Siberia. And ancient R1b, R1a on the Iranian Plateau.
Goga said:
Goga said:
Oh, what makes M417 Indo-European and not it's ancestors M17 or even M20?
True, but M417 doesn't look more Indo-European than R1b and even J2a. What makes M417 so different from other haplogroups?
G2a was spreading with Early European Farmers, not with Indo-Europeans. Today G2a is most common among Georgians, who are not Indo-European.Goga said:
Goga said:
Farmers were older than Indo-Europeans. By that time those who started to speak Indo-European already had farmer DNA in them. So G2a was already part of them.
Makes sense, Alans & Scythians (R1a-Z94/Z95) came from BMAC through Central Asia. Before they migrated into Europe they were already heavily mixed with Turkic tribes in the Steppes / Central Asia.
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