I also like to comment on this.
Angela@
Physical security of women is defined by what? domestic violence?
While certain women law aren't implemented,women right's could be better regarding the authorities particularly about domestic violence, the law should be stricter(which is happening already) that kind of "patriarchy" is dead already in most parts,I can not agree on security of women in case of rapes etc since in the USA or certain parts of western Europe,has certain ghettos where no one is feeling safe to walk in,while in most parts of Balkans you can walk every time of day or night without being in danger,this might look like sarcasm to you but is truth.
About deporting the Balkan immigrants from the war or being under surveliance,do it right away but i doubt this was fair comparison since i do not remember even one "terrorist" attack coming from refugees of the Yugoslav wars,as we have seen some recently,if i am wrong please correct me,while i do not advocate deportation of anyone,and i do not see a sarcasm in such comparison.
Physical violence of any kind, which includes rapes, assaults, what have you, in the home as well as on the street from strangers. What do you think it means? Do you think all these international organizations are out to get you? They don't understand your inter-ethnic squabbling; they don't even know about it in most cases, other than some vague generalities about the Balkan wars. More Slav paranoia?
What I am seeing in operation on this thread is the typical reaction when reality collides with prejudice and racism....deny the data. I don't care what organization compiles the statistics, the general parameters are as shown and are well known to law enforcement around the world. There is more violence against women in the Balkans and Eastern Europe than in western Europe. I realize that may not be what you want to believe, but it is what it is.
Look to your own culture. Given other statistics on life style, I would say that again drunkenness is a big factor. So is poverty, or disenfranchisement. When men feel powerless, and then you add alcohol into the mix, they can take their frustrations out on those weaker than themselves, like their wives and children, even if they are supposed to care for and protect them. Violence against your wife has always been considered acceptable to a certain extent in a lot of countries. I can't believe this is news to you. Not every woman has the gumption of someone like my grandmother in law, who told me that she had told her husband before they married; if you ever put a hand on me in anger, never go to sleep again.
This shouldn't be news to any of you. You must be willfully blind.
As for the Balkan analogy, I was being sarcastic. I was trying to point out how unfair it would have been to pre-judge all men from the Balkans based on what only some of them had done.
You're also sadly mistaken, however, if you think that Balkan and Eastern European men haven't exported their misogyny, criminality and violence against women to the west. Where have you been? Who is responsible for the tens of thousands of abused young women who have been forced into prostitution, even minors? It's disgusting and horrifying. For a period, you couldn't walk certain areas in Italy because you were knee deep in prostitutes and their Balkan or Russian pimps. Do you also really want me to pull statistics for other crimes, incarceration, by nationality in western European countries? Can it have escaped you how unpopular this kind of immigration is as well in certain western countries?
Of course, it could have been worse, but once the spotlight of the world was turned on the Balkans, and the war was over, these courageous he men when they had guns against helpless women and children, went to hide under their beds, change their names etc. I'm sure many of those who went to the west didn't want to draw attention to themselves lest their crimes come to light. Then again, I think only Muslim women were apparently considered deserving of mass rape, yes?
It's all sick making.