Immigration Growing number of radical Muslims in Europe beneficial for Israel's migration balance

[Tomenable]

Thanks to radical Muslims in Europe, the racist state of Israel (click the LINK) benefits from a constant influx of European-Jewish migrants escaping growing Islamic antisemitism in their home countries such as France, Sweden, Britain or Germany:

 

[Tomenable]

"As we heard, there are people in Sweden who support Israel":

And apparently George Soros also supports Israel's plan to bring all of European Jews "back" to the "Holy Land":

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32630-George-Soros-Hacked?p=487723

 

[Dinarid]

I have news for you: Palestine supporters don't exactly love your dream of a white European racial state, but you won't hear that from David Duke.

 

[Dinarid]

I can't believe you cited a pro-Palestinian website that routinely whines about "Islamophobia" in Europe and is diametrically opposed to all of your stances, but of course reason and logic won't get in the way of the anti-Zionist pseudo-European nationalist crusade for Eurasia and Emperor Putin.

 

[Athiudisc]

Seems like a bad hand for Jews any which way. Stay in Europe and become increasingly surrounded by hostile Muslims or leave for Israel and be immediately surrounded by hostile Muslims...

 

[Angela]

I can't believe you cited a pro-Palestinian website that routinely whines about "Islamophobia" in Europe and is diametrically opposed to all of your stances, but of course reason and logic won't get in the way of the anti-Zionist pseudo-European nationalist crusade for Eurasia and Emperor Putin.

You can't expect any logic from these people, nor any shred of common decency. When you look through a distorted lens, you're in an alternate universe.

Do I agree with everything Israel has done? No, I don't, but I don't doubt for a minute their absolute dedication to protecting Jews around the world. To promote the idea that they'd deliberately put European Jews in such danger just to get them to move to Israel is obscene. You have to have a sick mind to come up with these kinds of things.

As for George Soros, do I agree with his politics? No, I don't. At the same time, since I don't live in some isolated, forgotten corner of Europe, I actually know Jews, and so I know not only liberal Jews, but also conservative Jews. I know Jews who donate to liberal causes and those who contribute to conservative Republicans. It's a complicated world out there.

It's easy to sell fraudulent merchandise to rubes who don't know any better, and were in addition apparently taught this garbage at their mothers' knees.

 

[Dinarid]

You can't expect any logic from these people, nor any shred of common decency. When you look through a distorted lens, you're in an alternate universe.

Do I agree with everything Israel has done? No, I don't, but I don't doubt for a minute their absolute dedication to protecting Jews around the world. To promote the idea that they'd deliberately put European Jews in such danger just to get them to move to Israel is obscene. You have to have a sick mind to come up with these kinds of things.

As for George Soros, do I agree with his politics? No, I don't. At the same time, since I don't live in some isolated, forgotten corner of Europe, I actually know Jews, and so I know not only liberal Jews, but also conservative Jews. I know Jews who donate to liberal causes and those who contribute to conservative Republicans. It's a complicated world out there.

It's easy to sell fraudulent merchandise to rubes who don't know any better, and were in addition apparently taught this garbage at their mothers' knees.

It's hard for me to find fault with really anything Israel's done in its recent conflicts, in the same way for Ukraine.

 

[Dinarid]

Seems like a bad hand for Jews any which way. Stay in Europe and become increasingly surrounded by hostile Muslims or leave for Israel and be immediately surrounded by hostile Muslims...

They can't do anything to Israel. They keep trying, and then whining when they lose each time.

 

[Tomenable]

To promote the idea that they'd deliberately put European Jews in such danger just to get them to move to Israel is obscene. You have to have a sick mind to come up with these kinds of things.

Some of Israeli politicians DO have sick minds. The Likud party which rules Israel has been compared even to the Nazis:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14371130#post14371130

Israeli Nazis

You're talking about the Likud party right?

Likud, though apartheid-supporting bastards, aren't Nazis.

Well, sure, not literally, but they are far more Nazi-like than Donald Trump for example. I've said it many times, Benjamin Netanyahu makes Donald Trump look like a respectable statesman.

I would actually argue that Israel itself is a major manifestation of "post-Nazism." Zionism after all is basically just exported Volkische nationalism...and the European refusal to deal with the refugees from the Holocaust essentially condemned the Palestinians to endure decades of what the peoples of Europe put each other through for the first half of the twentieth century.

There are already increasing calls to deport the Arab population of Israel into the occupied territories. Anyone who's familiar with the basic outline of the Holocaust should know where that ends up leading.

 

[Athiudisc]

They can't do anything to Israel. They keep trying, and then whining when they lose each time.

It's like the saying goes, though...to paraphrase, the Israelis have to win every time. Their enemies only have to win once.

I have a hard time blaming them for being "racist" or whatever, given the stakes.

 

[bicicleur 2]

Seems like a bad hand for Jews any which way. Stay in Europe and become increasingly surrounded by hostile Muslims or leave for Israel and be immediately surrounded by hostile Muslims...

do you think it is fun for Europeans?

 

[bicicleur 2]

It's like the saying goes, though...to paraphrase, the Israelis have to win every time. Their enemies only have to win once.

I have a hard time blaming them for being "racist" or whatever, given the stakes.

yes, but the way some hardline Jewish colonisers behave in the occupied territories, it makes me sick
if you behave like that there is no other solution but continuous war

 

[Athiudisc]

do you think it is fun for Europeans?

Not at all. I hope the people of Europe do something about it sooner rather than (too) later. It's simply that the subject of the thread was Jews.

Politicians of both Jewish and older European extraction have made this mess together. Now their less-exalted countrymen must either live with it or take another path.

if you behave like that there is no other solution but continuous war

Continuous war seems like a foregone conclusion as long as (as you mentioned) some Jews behave as they do, and (on the other side) as long as some Arabs refuse to accept the presence of a Jewish state in their midst.

 

[Angela]

Some of Israeli politicians DO have sick minds. The Likud party which rules Israel has been compared even to the Nazis:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14371130#post14371130

Can we follow a logical train of thought?

The issue is not whether some of what the Likud party does to Palestinians is questionable. The question is whether anyone should give any credence to some idiot European Nazi on a video when he claims that the Likud party or any other group of Israelis would ever deliberately put other Jews in danger of their lives in order to get more of them to move to Israel.

You have to have an IQ of 84 or a screw loose or more likely both to believe any such thing.

I refuse to continue to debate any further such stupidity.

 

[Dinarid]

I just love the idea of Tomenable and bicicleur using the same Islamocentric worldview they criticize so much to attack Israel. If you are stupid enough to believe that the Likud Party is "Nazi", then you've already fallen for the same Islamic propaganda you claim to be against. I love these far-right champions of the Palestinian cause.

 

[Dinarid]

yes, but the way some hardline Jewish colonisers behave in the occupied territories, it makes me sick
if you behave like that there is no other solution but continuous war

Very suspicious that you ignore the way the Palestinians behave yet decry the behavior of Muslim immigrants in Europe. Again, sympathy from the Palestinian cause from people who are otherwise very much opposed to any Islamic movement make me very suspicious. Your agenda is quite clear.

 

[bicicleur 2]

Very suspicious that you ignore the way the Palestinians behave yet decry the behavior of Muslim immigrants in Europe. Again, sympathy from the Palestinian cause from people who are otherwise very much opposed to any Islamic movement make me very suspicious. Your agenda is quite clear.

I don't have an agenda. I didn't express any sympathy for the Palestinian case.
I have some sympathy for the inhabitants of the occupied territories whose land is stolen by the Jewish settlers.
Furthermore this theft of land is legalised by the Israeli government and some of the Jewish settlers behave very arrogant.
I'm sorry if you feel the same way about the Muslim majority that rules your country.

 

[Dinarid]

I don't have an agenda. I didn't express any sympathy for the Palestinian case.
I have some sympathy for the inhabitants of the occupied territories whose land is stolen by the Jewish settlers.
Furthermore this theft of land is legalised by the Israeli government and some of the Jewish settlers behave very arrogant.
I'm sorry if you feel the same way about the Muslim majority that rules your country.

You choose to focus on something which is very minor compared to the greater problem of Islam around the world. You blame the Israelis for continuous war despite the fact that a militant Islamist group controls the Gaza Strip.

 

[Dinarid]

Let's see if Tomenable responds now that he's been called out for his support for a bunch of jihadists who have nothing but contempt for Europe. The only plausible explanation for why a European nationalist would sympathize with militant Islamists is antisemitism.

 

[Tomenable]

I don't sympathize with militant Islamists.

But it seems that some Jews - such as Barbara Lerner Spectre or Noel Ignatiev - sympathize with them. So I wonder why do they do it? Do they want Europe to be destroyed as a revenge for the Holocaust, or to get more Jews to move to Israel? Or both?