I don't understand about genetics, someone could explain this to me?

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Why do people from North Africa (including berbers, BEJA, Somalis and Ethiopians northern) are included in the same haplogroupo And that the people of sub-Saharan Africa?


The North African / african Asians do not look physically with subsaaran Africans. It would be because of haplogroupos R and J comprehensive in those regions of North Africa?

Look at this:

Haplo R

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Haplo J:
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Haplo E:
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See more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_populations_of_Sub-Saharan_Africa


The afro asiatics would not be haplogroup F instead of E1b1 / E3b?
 
Race doesn't have anything to do with Haplogroups par say, Hitler, Albert Einstein and the Wright Brothers all had Haplogroups E. Haplogroup E was Dominate in the Green Sahara; but when the the land turned into Desert, Some of the inhabitants migrated north and south. The descendants of those whom evacuated north eventually became the Berbers, Ancient Egyptians and Neolithic Europeans. The sahara tribesmen whom evacuated south became the Subsaharan Africans.

As far as ydna R1b is concerned, here is a link to ydna R1b-V88
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#Africa


Here re is a link that Maciamo has put together that will explain about haplogroups. :)

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

The reason why Sub-Saharan Africans and Dravidians have darker skin is because of radiation that accrues close to the equator.

Here is a link explains skin tones and their history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color
 
Race doesn't have anything to do with Haplogroups par say, Hitler, Albert Einstein and the Wright Brothers all had Haplogroups E. Haplogroup E was Dominate in the Green Sahara; but when the the land turned into Desert, Some of the inhabitants migrated north and south. The descendants of those whom evacuated north eventually became the Berbers, Ancient Egyptians and Neolithic Europeans. The sahara tribesmen whom evacuated south became the Subsaharan Africans.

As far as ydna R1b is concerned, here is a link to ydna R1b-V88
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#Africa


Here re is a link that Maciamo has put together that will explain about haplogroups. :)

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

The reason why Sub-Saharan Africans and Dravidians have darker skin is because of radiation that accrues close to the equator.

Here is a link explains skin tones and their history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color

Thank you!
I did not know who had come from anyone but as you explained to me haplogroupo E is a North source haplogroupo so white, but later split and a portion is to the south and contade radiation were black.


Just do not understand why you used the Dravidians as an example as well.
Why as happened in Africa the Dravidians were also white coming from the Indus Civilization and then to migrate to southern India were dark-skinned?
 
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West Eurasian haplogroups can be found in East Africa at low to moderate frequencies as a result of ancient migrations from the Arabian Peninsula to the region. The haplogroup chart above shows J1 and J2 make up 21.6% in Cushitic speakers in Ethiopia and the combined frequency of J haplotypes increases to 26.6% in Ethiopian Semitic speakers. The West Eurasian backflow mostly affected East Africa and Llorente et al. (2015) estimated that the proportion of West Eurasian ancestry is up to 50% in Amhara and Tygray peoples in Ethiopia. Moreover, 4-5% of Ethiopians also belong to Y-DNA haplogroup T, which has been found in two 7,500–6,800 ybp individuals from Karsdorf, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany. T1a constitutes 22.2% of all ancient samples between 7,500 and 6,800 ybp in Germany and the Eurasian backflow into Africa came from a population closely related to Early Neolithic farmers, who had colonized Europe 4,000 years earlier.

We compared Mota to contemporary human populations (6). Both Principal Component Analysis (Fig. 1A) and outgroup f3 analysis using Ju|’hoansi (Khoisan) from Southern Africa as the outgroup (Fig. 1B,C) place this ancient individual close to contemporary Ethiopian populations, and more specifically to the Ari, a group of Omotic speakers from southern Ethiopia, to the West of the highland region where Mota lived. Our ancient genome confirms the view that the divergence of this language family results from the relative isolation of its speakers (8), and indicates population continuity over the last ~4,500 years in this region of Eastern Africa.

The age of Mota means that he should predate the West Eurasian backflow, which has been dated to ~3,000 years ago (3, 4). We formally tested this by using an f4 ratio estimating the West Eurasian component (6), following the approach adopted by Pickrell et al. (3). As expected, we failed to find any West Eurasian component in Mota (Table S5), thus providing support for previous dating of that event (3, 4).

Given that Mota predates the backflow, we searched for its most likely source by modelling the Ari, the contemporary population closest to our ancient genome, as a mixture of Mota and another West Eurasian population (6). We investigated both contemporary sources (3) as well as other Eurasian ancient genomes (5, 9). In this analysis, contemporary Sardinians and the early Neolithic LBK (Stuttgart) genome stand out (Fig. 2A). Previous analyses have shown Sardinians to be the closest modern representatives of early Neolithic farmers (10, 11), implying that the backflow came from the same genetic source that fuelled the Neolithic expansion into Europe from the Near East/Anatolia, before recent historic events changed the genetic makeup of populations living in that region. An analysis with haplotype sharing also identified a connection between contemporary Ethiopians and Anatolia (4, 12). Interestingly, archaeological evidence dates the arrival of Near Eastern domesticates (such as wheat, barley and lentils) to the same time period (circa 3,000 years ago) (13, 14), suggesting that the direct descendants of the farmers that earlier brought agriculture into Europe may have also played a role in the development of new forms of food production in the Horn of Africa.

Using Mota as an unadmixed African reference and the early farmer LBK as the source of the West Eurasian component, it is possible to reassess the magnitude and geographic extent of historical migrations, avoiding the complications of using admixed contemporary populations (6). We estimated a substantially higher Eurasian backflow admixture than previously detected (3), with an additional 4-7% of the genome of most African populations tracing back to a Eurasian source, and, more importantly, we detected a much broader geographical impact of the backflow, going all the way to West and Southern Africa (Fig. 2B). Even though the West Eurasian component in these regions is smaller than in Eastern Africa, it is still sizeable, with Yoruba and Mbuti, who are often used as African references (15, 16), showing 7% and 6%, respectively, of their genomes to be of Eurasian origin (Table S5).
 
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Thank you!
I did not know who had come from anyone but as you explained to me haplogroupo E is a North source haplogroupo so white, but later split and a portion is to the south and contade radiation were black.


Just do not understand why you used the Dravidians as an example as well.
Why as happened in Africa the Dravidians were also white coming from the Indus Civilization and then to migrate to southern India were dark-skinned?

You're most welcome. Where I was getting at was pretty much an example an example that Africa, South Asia are both I'm not really sure if the Indus Valley remains were tested to be of high melanin or not so that remains disputed; high melanin contributes to dark pigmentation although they were close to the equator also. White skin evolved somewhere to 20,000-6,000 ybp, one theory for not having melanin was from Paleolithic Hunters to fight a Vitamin D deficiency. But I know one thing, the Indus Valley Civilization was located in roughly Bronze Age Pakistan but South Asia was already colonized by Modern Humans from 75,000-50,000 ybp. But to be certain, we need to DNA test the archeological remains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence...lor-variation/modern-human-diversity-genetics
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][26] Belezal, Sandra; Santos, A. M.; McEvoy, B.; Alves, I.; Martinho, C.; Cameron, E.; Shriver, M. D.; Parra, E. J.; Rocha, J. (2012). "The timing of pigmentation lightening in Europeans". Molecular Biology and Evolution. 30 (1): 24–35. doi:10.1093/molbev/mss207. PMC 3525146. PMID 22923467.

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You're most welcome. Where I was getting at was pretty much an example an example that Africa, South Asia are both I'm not really sure if the Indus Valley remains were tested to be of high melanin or not so that remains disputed; high melanin contributes to dark pigmentation although they were close to the equator also. White skin evolved somewhere to 20,000-6,000 ybp, one theory for not having melanin was from Paleolithic Hunters to fight a Vitamin D deficiency. But I know one thing, the Indus Valley Civilization was located in roughly Bronze Age Pakistan but South Asia was already colonized by Modern Humans from 75,000-50,000 ybp. But to be certain, we need to DNA test the archeological remains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence...lor-variation/modern-human-diversity-genetics
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal][26] Belezal, Sandra; Santos, A. M.; McEvoy, B.; Alves, I.; Martinho, C.; Cameron, E.; Shriver, M. D.; Parra, E. J.; Rocha, J. (2012). "The timing of pigmentation lightening in Europeans". Molecular Biology and Evolution. 30 (1): 24–35. doi:10.1093/molbev/mss207. PMC 3525146. PMID 22923467.

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I think they looked like people from the Middle East because they have a very large DNA resemblance to them both is that the haplogroup H (which is of great importance in them) is a mutation of Haplo F which originated in the Middle East. I believe that these modern humans who were inhabiting the prehistoric India in case the Dravidians were similar to the inhabitants of the Middle East today. They must have been dark skin because of the climate of the southern region of India.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia
 

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