GEDMatch HarappaWorld Gedmatch, post and compare your admixtures to ancient and contemporary.

[Angela]

@Seanp,

If you have any ability to think rationally, it has escaped me. You also seem to have a big problem with creating straw man arguments. Where precisely did I bring up whether these people are "real" Italians?

That's not the issue. The issue is whether Italians from the New World are the best subjects for refining Italian regional genetic substructure. The answer to that is that in my opinion they're not. There's too much admixture, and they often know too little about their origins. As to whether Canada is different, perhaps it is. In the U.S., the vast majority of the immigration was over by the 1920s and 1930s.

 

[Sile]

Harappa World gives so strange results. I am Pakistani Kashmiri, but it gave me 41% Baloch. I don't know why.

maybe because baloch is pakistans neighbour

 

[Angela]

@ Azzurro,

Stop presuming to speak for all New World Italians.

You keep up this nonsense and you will go the way of Seanp. Keep your posts on topic and supported by data.

Hai Capito?


You have also now engaged in a personal attack. It was reported and you will get an infraction. As a result you now have 10 infraction points and will be banned for 10 days. Keep it up, and it will be months, like Seanp.

You wouldn't dare try this at Anthrogenica, so you know what, don't try it here. We try to keep things a little looser and more fun, but that doesn't mean you can bring your agenda driven, stupid, flame wars here. Got it?

And that goes for everyone.

 

[Angela]

Sure, I should be Saudi Arabian for the last 4 generations. When I took the test I hoped that it may shed light on how I got this Y-dna of mine, but I'm now more confused than before.

Sparkey made a map for I2c

View attachment 8975

I personally invoke the sea peoples :grin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian#Pottery

Ironside, do your ancestors come from near Yemen, or are there any tribal ties with the Yemen?

Wasn't Bin Laden, for example, actually of Yemeni origin? Or am I mis-remembering that?

I thought perhaps there might be some fluidity across the borders.

 

[Pax Augusta]

Harappa World gives so strange results. I am Pakistani Kashmiri, but it gave me 41% Baloch. I don't know why.

Read this, it probably helps you.

"Thus, I have renamed "Pakistani/Caucasian" as "Balochistan/Caucasus". I didn't use the shorter Baloch as this component is equally high among the Baloch, Brahui and Makrani, all populations living in the province of Balochistan. "

http://www.harappadna.org/2011/03/balochistancaucasian/

 

[LeBrok]

Sure, I should be Saudi Arabian for the last 4 generations.

You don't really fit any population in my database well. Saudi tribes might be varied genetically.

Saudi Arabia	Population	S-Indian	Baloch	Caucasian	NE-Euro	SE-Asian	Siberian	NE-Asian	Papuan	American	Beringian	Mediterranean	SW-Asian	San	E-African	Pygmy	W-African
1	IronSide	1.62	6.34	30.15	0.79		0.30	0.57	0.77	0.01	0.08	9.34	43.76		6.27
2	Saudi	1.00	5.00	26.00	1.00							3.00	58.00		3.00		1.00
3	Yemen	2.00	8.00	27.00	1.00						1.00	5.00	36.00		8.00	1.00	9.00
4	Yemen jew	1.00	2.00	36.00								6.00	51.00		4.00
5	Bedouin		5.00	21.00	2.00							7.00	56.00		5.00		3.00

 

[IronSide]

Ironside, do your ancestors come from near Yemen, or are there any tribal ties with the Yemen?

Wasn't Bin Laden, for example, actually of Yemeni origin? Or am I mis-remembering that?

I thought perhaps there might be some fluidity across the borders.

Well it's rather complicated, paternally I'm from the Quraysh tribe in Mecca and around the Hejaz, low numbers today, and from my maternal side I'm from Ghamid, who migrated from Yemen 2000 years ago to Western Arabia, and this migration is authentic because the tribe is mentioned in Sabaean inscriptions, and also Bani Malik, another tribe in the Hejaz.

this is a guy from Ghamid, very similar to my results:

#	Population	Percent
1	SW-Asian	42.42
2	Caucasian	31.11
3	Mediterranean	9.35
4	Baloch	6.43
5	E-African	6.38
6	S-Indian	2.8
7	SE-Asian	0.75
8	NE-Euro	0.48
9	American	0.15
10	W-African	0.12

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	yemen-jew (behar)	10.73
2	yemenese (behar)	12.53
3	egyptian (behar)	12.93
4	palestinian (hgdp)	13.51
5	egypt (henn2012)	13.83
6	jordanian (behar)	15.64
7	bedouin (hgdp)	15.72
8	saudi (behar)	16.42
9	qatari (henn2012)	18.87
10	samaritian (behar)	19.18
11	syrian (behar)	19.47
12	palestinian (harappa)	20.11
13	lebanese (behar)	21.01
14	iraqi-arab (harappa)	23.37
15	lebanese-muslim (haber)	24.45
16	lebanese-christian (haber)	25.17
17	iraq-jew (behar)	26.27
18	libya (henn2012)	26.79
19	lebanese-druze (haber)	26.92
20	iraqi-mandaean (harappa)	27.73

and this is another guy in my matches:

#	Population	Percent
1	SW-Asian	45.71
2	Caucasian	29.7
3	Mediterranean	7.55
4	Baloch	6.96
5	E-African	6.73
6	NE-Euro	1.22
7	NE-Asian	0.67
8	S-Indian	0.62
9	American	0.34
10	Siberian	0.25
11	Beringian	0.13
12	San	0.12

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	yemen-jew (behar)	9.22
2	bedouin (hgdp)	12.41
3	saudi (behar)	12.93
4	yemenese (behar)	13.76
5	egyptian (behar)	15.47
6	qatari (henn2012)	15.98
7	egypt (henn2012)	16.6
8	palestinian (hgdp)	16.87
9	jordanian (behar)	18.91
10	samaritian (behar)	22.26
11	syrian (behar)	22.56
12	palestinian (harappa)	23.04
13	lebanese (behar)	24.27
14	iraqi-arab (harappa)	26.14
15	libya (henn2012)	27.58
16	lebanese-muslim (haber)	27.62
17	lebanese-christian (haber)	28.31
18	iraq-jew (behar)	28.98
19	lebanese-druze (haber)	30.05
20	iraqi-mandaean (harappa)	30.28

 

[LeBrok]

Well it's rather complicated, paternally I'm from the Quraysh tribe in Mecca and around the Hejaz, low numbers today, and from my maternal side I'm from Ghamid, who migrated from Yemen 2000 years ago to Western Arabia, and this migration is authentic because the tribe is mentioned in Sabaean inscriptions, and also Bani Malik, another tribe in the Hejaz.

this is a guy from Ghamid, very similar to my results:

#	Population	Percent
1	SW-Asian	42.42
2	Caucasian	31.11
3	Mediterranean	9.35
4	Baloch	6.43
5	E-African	6.38
6	S-Indian	2.8
7	SE-Asian	0.75
8	NE-Euro	0.48
9	American	0.15
10	W-African	0.12

Wow, this is freakishly close to yours! Probably quite normal for isolated tribes to be so uniformly mixed by endogamy. Everybody is having almost exactly same genome. Tribe is you, and you are the tribe. A perfect union. No mater who will survive from the tribe, will carry everybody's DNA.
Do you guys look like brothers or even like twins?

 

[LeBrok]

New update. We have samples from Portugal and Basque. Basque is weird and will take some explaining.
We have Malta, which turned to be very close to Sicily and Ionian Greeks. Yes, I added Ionian Greeks.
As curiosity, I added Samaritans, who plot between Lebanese and Palestinians. Most likely like Jews of Roman/Iron Age era used to.

Europeans	# of samples	S-Indian	Baloch	Caucasian	NE-Euro	SE-Asian	Siberian	NE-Asian	Papuan	American	Beringian	Mediterranean	SW-Asian	San	E-African	Pygmy	W-African
Finland	4	1	4	2	72	0	5	1	0	0	1	11	3	0	0	0	0
Netherlands	Northerner	0	9	6	55	0	0	0	1	0	0	29	0	0	0	0	0
Latvia	5	1	7	7	65	0	1	0	0	0	0	19	0	0	0	0	0
Lithuania	5	1	8	7	62	0	0	0	1	0	1	20	1	0	0	0	0
Russia	Harappa	1	4	13	64	0	3	0	0	1	1	13	0	0	0	0	0
Belorussia	Harappa	1	5	10	64	1	1	0	0	0	0	16	1	0	0	0	0
Ukraine	Harappa	1	6	12	58	0	1	0	0	0	0	17	2	0	0	0	0
Poland	LeBrok	1	7	10	57	1	1	0	0	0	0	22	1	0	0	0	0
Slovenia	2	1	7	15	50	0	1	0	0	0	0	24	2	0	0	0	0
Croatia	8	0	7	17	45	0	1	0	0	0	0	24	4	0	0	0	0
Bosnia	2	0	9	21	41	0	1	0	0	1	0	23	5	0	0	0	0
Serbia	1	0	8	20	40	0	1	0	0	1	0	27	4	0	0	0	0
Austria	1	0	6	17	43	1	0	0	0	0	0	28	4	0	0	0	0
Hungary	3	0	9	15	47	0	1	0	0	1	0	25	2	0	0	0	0
Romania	5	0	8	23	35	1	1	0	0	0	0	25	6	0	0	0	0
Bulgaria	5	0	9	25	34	0	0	0	0	0	0	24	7	0	0	0	0
French	Harappa	0	9	10	42	0	0	0	0	0	0	36	2	0	0	0	0
Portugal	7	0	5	13	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	37	8	0	1	0	1
Spain	Harappa	1	6	10	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	45	5	0	1	0	0
Basque	5	1	6	1	32	0	0	0	0	0	0	56	2	0	0	0	0
Italy, NE	7	0	7	20	34	0	0	0	0	0	0	31	6	0	0	0	0
Italy, NW	5	0	6	20	33	0	0	0	0	0	0	34	6	0	0	0	0
Italy, Tuscany	4	0	7	25	28	0	0	0	0	0	0	32	8	0	0	0	0
Italy, South	5	0	8	32	17	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	13	0	1	0	0
Sicily	5	0	9	32	18	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	12	0	1	0	0
Malta	7	0	7	33	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	26	14	0	1	0	1
Sardinia	5	0	0	24	16	0	0	0	1	0	0	49	10	0	0	0	0
Macedonia	selectivememri	0	6	25	35	0	1	0	0	0	1	25	7	0	0	0	0
Albania	17	0	6	28	29	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	8	0	0	0	0
Albania, Tosk	7	0	7	30	25	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	9	0	0	0	0
Greece, Mainland	5	0	7	30	26	0	0	0	0	0	0	26	9	0	0	0	0
Greece, Ionian	2	0	9	34	18	0	0	0	0	0	0	26	12	0	0	0	0
Greek, Islands, East	13	0	9	38	15	0	0	0	0	0	0	23	14	0	0	0	0
Crete	5	0	8	39	15	0	0	1	0	0	0	21	14	0	0	0	0
Cyprus	4	1	10	44	6	1	0	0	0	0	0	20	17	0	0	0	0
Ashkenazi	11	0	7	33	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	25	15	0	1	0	0
Sephardi, Tunisia	6	1	7	33	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	24	22	0	3	0	1
Turkey	4	1	15	44	11	0	4	3	0	0	1	11	9	0	0	0	0
Armenia	7	1	20	52	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	10	13	0	0	0	0
Georgia	6	0	21	58	7	0	1	0	0	0	0	5	6	0	0	0	0
Lebanon	7	0	11	45	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	15	24	0	1	0	0
Samaritans	3	0	7	45	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	15	31	0	2	0	0
Palestine	46	1	7	39	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	12	31	0	5	0	2

 

[LeBrok]

Here is how we can explain Basque admixtures. They look very much like Neolithic or Chalcolithic farmers from Spain, who admixed with Yamnaya/West Corded Ware invaders. In ratio of something like 3 to 1 respectively. The latter brought Baloch, increased NE Euro and lower Med. I'm not sure why their Caucasian admixture diminished to almost nothing, perhaps a local drift, though it wasn't high to start with. Basque genetics remained unchanged since Bronze Age, I suppose.

Now, modern Spanish look almost like Basque, but with a twist. Caucasian admixture rose in them to 10 and also SW-Asian to 5. This is what we also see, but on much bigger scale on Balkans and Italy. Some kind of big Bronze Age migration from Anatolia/Armenia. The farther West they went the smaller was the effect. Looks like Basque were sheltered from this Anatolian Bronze invasion.
Off course the Greeks, Phoenicians, Romans and Germans had some effect but I don't think it was overwhelming in any way. It is hard to say exactly, because of lack of samples from many eras.

M815035	I0406		M849224 ATP2	ATP2		M422959	ATP 16		Modern			Modern
Spain MN		Spain Chalcolithic	5kya		Spain	Pre BB, 4.5kya	Basque			Spanish
Run time	9.08		Run time	11.46		Run Time	6.67		Run Time			Run Time
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	-		S-Indian	1		S-Indian	1
Baloch	-		Baloch	-		Baloch	-		Baloch	6		Baloch	6
Caucasian	5		Caucasian	4		Caucasian	7		Caucasian	1		Caucasian	10
NE-Euro	25		NE-Euro	24		NE-Euro	21		NE-Euro	32		NE-Euro	31
SE-Asian	0		SE-Asian	0		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	-		Papuan	0		Papuan	-		Papuan	-		Papuan	-
American	-		American	-		American	-		American	-		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	62		Mediterranean	63		Mediterranean	70		Mediterranean	56		Mediterranean	45
SW-Asian	8		SW-Asian	5		SW-Asian	3		SW-Asian	2		SW-Asian	5
San	-		San	-		San	-		San	-		San	-
E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	-
Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-
W-African	0		W-African	3		W-African	0		W-African			W-African

 

[IronSide]

Wow, this is freakishly close to yours! Probably quite normal for isolated tribes to be so uniformly mixed by endogamy. Everybody is having almost exactly same genome. Tribe is you, and you are the tribe. A perfect union. No mater who will survive from the tribe, will carry everybody's DNA.
Do you guys look like brothers or even like twins?

I don't know about endogamy, my parents and their parents come from different villages of the three tribes I mentioned, I think Western Arabia is different from the samples collected by Behar, he probably collected them from the central region where the capital is.

And no we don't look like brothers, that would be weird

The thing that annoys me is that if anyone here gets a haplogroup other than J1, he is immediately assumed to be a descendant of some bastard, while I don't care personally, this behavior has discouraged anyone without J1 from joining projects. There is a clan called Bani Shaiba, these guys held the keys to the Kaaba from the time of Muhammad, father to son in a continuous line, their results turned to be R1a-L657.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-arabia/dna-results

 

[noman]

Like it should be. Baloch is ancient central Asian admixture. The center of it is in Iran and Pakistan these days, and probably always has been. Check post #1 of this thread for more info.

Central Asian; how come it's Central Asian admixture, when Balochistan region is South Western Pakistan, Southern Afghanistan and Eastern Iran? All these 3 countries lie in South Asia.

Read this, it probably helps you.

"Thus, I have renamed "Pakistani/Caucasian" as "Balochistan/Caucasus". I didn't use the shorter Baloch as this component is equally high among the Baloch, Brahui and Makrani, all populations living in the province of Balochistan. "

http://www.harappadna.org/2011/03/balochistancaucasian/

It doesn't make any sense to me. I am from Kashmir region of Chauhan ethnicity. This ethnic group could be a part of any ethnic groups like: Rajput, Gujjar, or Jatt. DNA results show most of my close matches are Jatt. Now, Jatts are predominant in Punjab region of both Pakistan and India.

maybe because baloch is pakistans neighbour

Balochistan is Pakistan's South Western province. Ancient Balochistan includes: South Western Pakistan, Southern Afghanistan and Eastern Iran.

Don't know why calculator shows 41% Baloch for me.

 

[LeBrok]

I don't know about endogamy, my parents and their parents come from different villages of the three tribes I mentioned, I think Western Arabia is different from the samples collected by Behar, he probably collected them from the central region where the capital is.

And no we don't look like brothers, that would be weird

The thing that annoys me is that if anyone here gets a haplogroup other than J1, he is immediately assumed to be a descendant of some bastard, while I don't care personally, this behavior has discouraged anyone without J1 from joining projects. There is a clan called Bani Shaiba, these guys held the keys to the Kaaba from the time of Muhammad, father to son in a continuous line, their results turned to be R1a-L657.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-arabia/dna-results

I like that. It is eye opener for people to understand how things really are.

 

[LeBrok]

Central Asian; how come it's Central Asian admixture, when Balochistan region is South Western Pakistan, Southern Afghanistan and Eastern Iran? All these 3 countries lie in South Asia.



It doesn't make any sense to me. I am from Kashmir region of Chauhan ethnicity. This ethnic group could be a part of any ethnic groups like: Rajput, Gujjar, or Jatt. DNA results show most of my close matches are Jatt. Now, Jatts are predominant in Punjab region of both Pakistan and India.



Balochistan is Pakistan's South Western province. Ancient Balochistan includes: South Western Pakistan, Southern Afghanistan and Eastern Iran.

Don't know why calculator shows 41% Baloch for me.

I called it central Asia where Baloch is usually found, but its epicenter is in South/Central Asia to be precise. Didn't I say Iran/Pakistan?

This component goes beyond any ethnic group of today. It started forming 40 thousand years ago!

Don't know why calculator shows 41% Baloch for me.

What should it show for you to be happy?

 

[noman]

I called it central Asia where Baloch is usually found, but its epicenter is in South/Central Asia to be precise. Didn't I say Iran/Pakistan?

This component goes beyond any ethnic group of today. It started forming 40 thousand years ago!


What should it show for you to be happy?

Baloch ethnic group is not found in Central Asia, but rather South-West Asia.
Take a look at maps. Do you see Balochistan in Central Asia?
*Kashmir is the region I belong to.

*Balochistan

*Maps

It's not about being happy or sad from my results. It's just unbelievable that I am such huge percentage of Baloch ethnicity. I am just curious about it. Simple!

 

[LeBrok]

Baloch ethnic group is not found in Central Asia, but rather South-West Asia.
Take a look at maps. Do you see Balochistan in Central Asia?
*Kashmir is the region I belong to.

*Balochistan

*Maps


It's not about being happy or sad from my results. It's just unbelievable that I am such huge percentage of Baloch ethnicity. I am just curious about it. Simple!

I see your confusion now. Baloch is not ethnicity in admixture composition. It is just happened that creator of these admixtures, known as HarappaWorld, borrowed a name for this admixture from Baloch people. Same as NE Euro or Mediterranean is not ethnicity, and are found all over Europe, Near East and even in North Africa. Besides a fact that ethnicity is strictly a cultural phenomenon and it is not engraved in DNA. It is highly unlikely that your "Baloch" component even came from Balochistan or Iran. Unless you were adopted from there, so technically not impossible.

Let's go back thousands of years ago to the first samples we discovered from this area. They were hunter gatherers of Caucasus and Iran. Keep in mind that 10 kya there was no Iran and Caucasus Mountains had different name. We call it this way so people can localise these samples on modern maps. In these samples, dated 11-9 thousand years ago we discovered that they contained similar genetic components as people of today.

You can see that the highest Baloch component ever registered was in people who lived 10 thousand years ago in what is now Iran. Today this component is the highest in Pakistan in Brahui people.
This component also came to Europe together with Steppe population of West Asia. Almost every European carries it. People of Eurasia always moved around and mixed. That's why we all have similar components, genetics, just in different proportions.

M677694			M967114 I1290		Modern
Satsurblia CHG	11KYA		Iranian Neolithic	10 kya		Brahui
Run time	12.66		Run time	7.91		Run time
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	6		S-Indian	12
Baloch	41.00		Baloch	63		Baloch	58
Caucasian	41		Caucasian	25		Caucasian	12
NE-Euro	6		NE-Euro	-		NE-Euro	2
SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	1
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	1		Papuan			Papuan	1
American	-		American	-		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	-		Mediterranean	-		Mediterranean	2
SW-Asian	-		SW-Asian	4		SW-Asian
San			San			San
E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	1
Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy
W-African	2		W-African	2		W-African	1

 

[noman]

I see your confusion now. Baloch is not ethnicity in admixture composition. It is just happened that creator of these admixtures, known as HarappaWorld, borrowed a name for this admixture from Baloch people. Same as NE Euro or Mediterranean is not ethnicity, and are found all over Europe, Near East and even in North Africa. Besides a fact that ethnicity is strictly a cultural phenomenon and it is not engraved in DNA. It is highly unlikely that your "Baloch" component even came from Balochistan or Iran. Unless you were adopted from there, so technically not impossible.

Let's go back thousands of years ago to the first samples we discovered from this area. They were hunter gatherers of Caucasus and Iran. Keep in mind that 10 kya there was no Iran and Caucasus Mountains had different name. We call it this way so people can localise these samples on modern maps. In these samples, dated 11-9 thousand years ago we discovered that they contained similar genetic components as people of today.

You can see that the highest Baloch component ever registered was in people who lived 10 thousand years ago in what is now Iran. Today this component is the highest in Pakistan in Brahui people.
This component also came to Europe together with Steppe population of West Asia. Almost every European carries it. People of Eurasia always moved around and mixed. That's why we all have similar components, genetics, just in different proportions.

M677694			M967114 I1290		Modern
Satsurblia CHG	11KYA		Iranian Neolithic	10 kya		Brahui
Run time	12.66		Run time	7.91		Run time
S-Indian	-		S-Indian	6		S-Indian	12
Baloch	41.00		Baloch	63		Baloch	58
Caucasian	41		Caucasian	25		Caucasian
NE-Euro	6		NE-Euro	-		NE-Euro	2
SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	1
Siberian	-		Siberian	-		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	1		Papuan			Papuan	1
American	-		American	-		American	-
Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	-
Mediterranean	-		Mediterranean	-		Mediterranean	2
SW-Asian	-		SW-Asian	4		SW-Asian
San			San			San
E-African	-		E-African	-		E-African	1
Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy
W-African	2		W-African	2		W-African	1

Got it now. I kept thinking that Baloch in the calculator means Baloch ethnicity. In this case, I won't be wrong, if I assume that R2 haplogroup originated in West Asia. Right?

Population	%
Baloch	41.15
S-Indian	30.57
Caucasian	12.79
NE-Euro	8.90
SW-Asian	2.39
Siberian	1.92

 

[LeBrok]

Got it now. I kept thinking that Baloch in the calculator means Baloch ethnicity. In this case, I won't be wrong, if I assume that R2 haplogroup originated in West Asia. Right?

We don't know exactly where it originated, yet. Possibly South or Central Asia. There is really a shortage of ancient samples from this area. IIRC the only R2 samples come from ancient Iran.

Population	%
Baloch	41.15
S-Indian	30.57
Caucasian	12.79
NE-Euro	8.90
SW-Asian	2.39
Siberian	1.92

You have very high NE Euro and Siberian admixture for Pakistan. About 15% of your DNA comes from Steppe, Central Asia or perhaps Eastern Europe. Or you had a great grandfather from Central Asia? I wonder if your admixtures are typical for Kashmir. Do you know other people from your area who did DNA test? Brahui of Pakistan have somewhat different proportions of admixtures, though not that far away.

 

[noman]

We don't know exactly where it originated, yet. Possibly South or Central Asia. There is really a shortage of ancient samples from this area. IIRC the only R2 samples come from ancient Iran.


You have very high NE Euro and Siberian admixture for Pakistan. About 15% of your DNA comes from Steppe, Central Asia or perhaps Eastern Europe. Or you had a great grandfather from Central Asia? I wonder if your admixtures are typical for Kashmir. Do you know other people from your area who did DNA test? Brahui of Pakistan have somewhat different proportions of admixtures, though not that far away.

I don't know anything about my family history. I just know that we are Kashmiri. My ethnicity is Chauhan, but someone told me that caste doesn't matter since it used to variate time to time based on people's occupation. I know another guy from Kashmir. His Y DNA is R2a, and he is of Jatt ethnic group. On 23andme, most of my close matches are Jatt/Sikhs. Most of Kashmir region is very remote area, so not many people do DNA tests. I don't have more than 14.3 cM matche on GEDmatch. On 23andme, I share 0.34% with someone anonymous, which is the highest one.

My Y DNA on 23andme says R-L266, which is I guess South Asian.

 

[Pratt]

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