Population averages of Czechs

[srdceleva]

Extremely interesting. I didn't know R1a percentages were so high in east Germany among (supposedly) non sorbs. Austrians don't surprise me at all. Slavic influence is evident in everything here and most people from corinthia do know of having a lot of Slovenian ancestry so im surprised this guy doesn't, though his results are probably very similar to Slovenians, especially with such a high Balkan component on dna.land.

this women's kit number is M111259. This is what she says about her grandparents.


Michael Reichert b. 1879 in

"Rauchersdorf, Austria" according to his naturalization record in 1913. In his WW2 draft registration in 1942, he reports his birthplace as "Kuryna, Poland." (which is probably modern-day​

Kurzyna, Nisko, Poland) The Roman Catholic center for this town was Rauchersdorf so it would make sense.

Frances Gubernat b. 1881 in "Zglobien" according to her arrival manifest in 1902. On her husband's naturalization record in 1913, her birthplace is recorded as "Dombrovka, Austria" (which is probably modern-day​

Dąbrówka, Nisko, Poland).

Andreas Bartusiak b. 1879 in "Roztoka Mala" according to his arrival manifest in 1903. He also says that he is "Ruthenian" which I believe suggests the area around modern-day Ukraine. There is a place called Mala Roztoka in Ukraine near the borders of Hungary and Romania so that could be where he came from.


Alexandra Sawczak b. 1884 in "Maciejowa" according to a passenger manifest which I believe is her in 1901. I've not found any other records for her indicating where she was born.

her K13 results

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	39.26
2	North_Atlantic	30.87
3	West_Med	14.07
4	West_Asian	9.81
5	East_Med	3.39
6	Oceanian	0.92
7	Red_Sea	0.81
8	South_Asian	0.4
9	Siberian	0.28
10	Amerindian	0.19

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	South_Polish	5.39
2	Ukrainian_Lviv	5.43
3	Ukrainian	6.57
4	Croatian	7.01
5	Polish	7.6
6	Hungarian	9.44
7	East_German	9.48

Two of her grandparents from south Poland seem to be ethnic germans and have german names. Doesn't seem like she has much german ancestry. Were ethnic germans in Poland german at all?​

 

[srdceleva]

my results #	Population	Percent
1	NorthEastEuropean	29.88
2	Neolithic	27.17
3	Steppe	20.62
4	Caucasian	20.48
5	Siberian	1.01
6	Amerindian	0.6
7	EastAfrican	0.2
8	Oceanic	0.04

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	German_Lipsian	2.89
2	Dutch	2.99
3	Pole	3.11
4	Sorb	3.23
5	Slovak	3.54
6	Pole	3.77
7	German	3.84
8	Swede	3.99
9	Pole	4.4
10	Hungarian	4.53

My closest population is very often east german on gedmatch, due to my mixed ancestry. Good to know they are so Slavic in ancestry though, makes me feel vindicated a bit lol.

do you have R1a percentages for lower Austria and historical Vienna region of Austria?

 

[Dagne]

I am not su sure about the spread of slavic lands 800 AD. Some of them could have been Finnic or Baltic or a mixture.

 

[Tomenable]

I am not su sure about the spread of slavic lands 800 AD. Some of them could have been Finnic or Baltic or a mixture.

The ones with red dots in Russia and Belarus are mixed Slavic-Finnic or mixed Slavic-Baltic.

Two of her grandparents from south Poland seem to be ethnic germans and have german names.​

I'm not sure if Gubernat is a surname of German origin. But it is common in Southern Poland.

Surnames of the Tarnów region: http://www.mmtarnow.com/2012/07/historia-zakleta-w-nazwach-czyli-o.html

Distribution of surname Gubernat: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/gubernat.html

 

[Tomenable]

Syky, I made my own search and found 3 more ethnic Czechs who are not in your sample of 15.

GEDmatch kit T406334
GEDmatch kit T129685
GEDmatch kit T972882

I'm not sure if they are fully Czech, but they have Czech surnames. You can verify this, I guess.

 

[srdceleva]

They seem to all be Czech, the first two are probably bohemian and the last one Moravian I'm guessing.

Interesting that the brandysek sample from 2000 years ago looks more or less like modern czechs.

 

[Syky]

Thanks, but the first one is my CZ1 and the third one is CZ4. I did not use the second one because he is probably related to some of my kits and I don't want to make this bias.
And your posts are amazing, guys!

 

[Syky]

Did you recieve my message, Piotr?

 

[Syky]

Ok, I don't like MDLP calculators at all, I think they are the worst on Gedmatch. But if you like it, here is my average Pepik on K11 Modern:

WHG	37.79
NEOLITHIC	30.63
EHG	25.87
BASAL	2.76
IRAN-MESOLITHIC	1.78
AMERIND	0.49
OCEANIC	0.22
SIBERIAN	0.27
SEA	0.07
ASI	0.26
AFRICAN	0.05

 

[Tomenable]

Ok, I don't like MDLP calculators at all, I think they are the worst on Gedmatch.

Here are some of the things that I like about MDLP calculators:

1) They have a lot of Slavic reference populations (especially K23b and K16 include most of Slavic groups).

2) MDLP World-22 is one of very few calculators which breaks down Amerindian admixture into regional ones.

Thanks to the latter, I could create a PCA graph with Latino samples. And it actually does make sense - for example modern Ecuadorians and Peruvians plot close to Pre-Columbian Peruvian samples, after I remove their European admixture (I took into account only Amerindian ancestry - for example if someone is 50% Amerindian, I counted this 50% as 100%).

For example if someone has 50% European, 25% Mesoamerican, 15% South-Amerind and 10% North-Amerind, I ignore Euro admixture and count this in my PCA as 50% Mesoamerican, 30% South-Amerind and 20% North-Amerind.

Also when it comes to MDLP K16, it seems to be quite accurate, at least for me.

But I know that some people complain about poor accuracy of this calculator.

Did you recieve my message

Yes, thanks, I will respond later.

 

[srdceleva]

Does anyone have results for gorals?

 

[Syky]

I think most MDLP clusters are illogical and refers to nothing and some of them are great (North Euro Mesolithic), but generally I use these calculators infrequently. MDLP uses less SNPs than Dodecad and Eurogenes so the accuracy cannot be perfect.

Here is the rest of results for Czechs except K16 Modern, which is nonsense in my opinion.

K23b
(Slovenian/Hungarian)

	AVG
EURO HG	44.13	(41,21 - 46,25)
CAUCASIAN	27.52	(25,2 - 30,45)
EEF	17.65	(14,04 - 21,6)
SC ASIAN	2.88	(0,59 - 5,68)
NEAR EAST	1.12	(0 - 2,73)
ANC_ALTAIC	3.30	(1,52 - 5.32)
KHOISAN	0.11	(0 - 1,01)
AUSTRALOID	0.17	(0 - 1.05)
ARCTIC	0.07	(0 - 0,98)
AUSTRONES	0.20	(0 - 1.49)
SE ASIAN	0.12	(0 - 0,96)
AMERIND	0.41	(0 - 1,11)
S INDIAN	0.47	(0 - 1,77)
ARCH HUMAN	0.08	(0 - 0,49)
E AFRICAN	0.07	(0 - 0,58)
E SIBERIAN	0.17	(0 - 0,89)
MEL_POLYN	0.14	(0 - 0,94)
ARCH_AFR	0.07	(0 - 0,62)
N AFRICAN	0.90	(0 - 2,32)
PAL_SIBER	0.18	(0 - 0,9)
AFR_PYGMY	0.06	(0 - 0,44)
SUB_SAH	0.04	(0 - 0,81)
TUNG_ALTAI	0.00	0

World
(Slovak/German)
AVG

NE EURO	44.51	(42.67 - 46.79
SW EURO	41.54	(38.64 - 44.86)
CAUC_PARSIA	8.19	(5.46 - 10.83)
MID EAST	4.11	(2.58 - 5.25)
N ASIAN	0.21	(0 - 0.68)
E ASIAN	0.06	(0 - 0.56)
INDIAN	0.66	(0 - 1.57)
MELANES.	0.13	(0 - 0.78)
SUB_SAH	0.04	(0 - 0.3)
PALEO_AFR	0.08	(0 - 0.35)
MESOAMER.	0.38	(0 - 1.05)
ARC_AMER.	0.10	(0 - 0.72)

World-22

(Slovenian)	AVG
NE EURO	55.69	(51.54 - 58.29)
ATL_MED_NEO	27.26	(23.83 - 31.25)
W ASIAN	7.24	(4.64 - 9.58)
NEAR EAST	3.25	(1.78 - 4.26)
N.EURO-MESO	3.43	(2.02 - 4.69)
INDO-IRANIAN	0.98	(0 - 2.33)
SAMOEDIC	0.62	(0 - 1.96)
N SIBERIAN	0.04	(0 - 0.18)
INDIAN	0.32	(0 - 0.93)
INDO-TIBETIAN	0.17	(0 - 0.78)
MESOAMER	0.16	(0 - 0.93)
ARC_AMERIND	0.09	(0 - 0.67)
S_AMERIND	0.24	(0 - 0.79)
E SIBERIAN	0.04	(0 - 0.49)
S AFRICAN	0.05	(0 - 0.36)
N AMERIND	0.10	(0 - 1.07)
SUB_SAH	0.02	(0 - 0.3)
E-S-ASIAN	0.02	(0 - 0.46)
MELANESIAN	0.07	(0 - 0.45)
PALEO_SIBER	0.05	(0 - 0.17
AUSTRONES	0.11	(0 - 0.67)
PYGMY	0.04	(0 - 0.15)