With the rise of women's right civillizations may begin to fall - Sociological study

Nonsense. Sexual "morality" defined as the sexual enslavement of women is certainly no guarantor of a thriving civilization. Just look at the Near East: it's a hell hole. The more repressive their culture becomes, the worse it gets. Their role models are brainwashed, sex starved teen-agers who blow themselves up. Who would want to live even in the non-Muslim areas?

Or look at Muslim Spain. Under tolerant regimes, they expanded. As soon as more fundamentalist, extreme sects took hold they entered a period of steady decline, ultimately getting kicked out of Spain.

Neolithic Europe may not have been a matriarchy, but it wasn't the patriarchy introduced by the Indo-Europeans, and they created an advanced civilization in the Balkans. What did them in was not more respect for a woman's role, but climate change and plague most likely.

It's all just confirmation bias. He found, like a lot of people, what he wanted to find.
 
it's a question of me to Markoz to whose post I replied
just read that post
and as I told, I'm not familiar with Unwin
what continuation to his work is there?

I'll have to check the actual article tonight; since it's lunch break over here. I admit that I'm just getting to know Urwin myself but if he is anti-fascist as reputed, it's the values of the Liberals however it seems to be the view of the Alt-right also; it seems like both sides are going via the same goal equality but have different views of how to go about it. I'm a little dumb-struck and it seems like I'm looking further into a blind eye everyday but I'll see if I can do some reasearch and get back to you; maybe looking via pdfs. ^_^

Update: Found the book in question, It's in the internet archives currently.

https://archive.org/details/b20442580
 
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Since our modern world is oversexualized and one night stand relationship became normal in contrast being a virgin is considered as a shame even among 16 years old, what do we expect? Most of us even the so called Christian Europeans feel no guilty to engage in sex before marriage. What's the point for men to settle down in a relationship which has no other benefits than losing other possible partners for psychical pleasure.
I agree with you that most younger men as younger women see themselves as toys and it's a kind of pleasure to use each others body for a short period of time to handle our frustration.

Why does the Western family decline?

There may be many factors to consider other than sexuality, but the morality of each of these individuals who make the society. Since our early childhood we're believed to be social beings and we're educated in a way to be cooperative when it comes to working and partners, we see new people around us and we get used to lose and get new relationships.
Most younger in capitalist societies were being spent their childhood around other kids not with their parents so the basic learning-copy mechanism to follow the parents become little to non existent.

Money and personal succeed became the most important model in the Western/Capitalist system. People give up social life if it has no benefits other than profit and acquaintance. Being involved in a relationship takes a lot of time and considerations.
Financial success became the major part when people consider to have a child. In the past people had an own land and their work and production didn't base upon the society as they were able to live on their own. Most people today feel vulnerable about their jobs, economy and barely knows what would happen in the future.
People either think about the past or the future.
"We're planning a family together" instead "make a family"


The most concepts consider humans as social beings, but do most realize the fact most people were used to live in smaller societies around people with close relationship.
What's the situation now?
- Most people live in metropolitan areas around millions of people.
- Those who get used to know hundreds in their lives barely get really close to all, in fact a lot will feel segregated and powerless by the fact that even if they build a relationship with x people these sort of connections often break up by school changes, moving to other areas and other major factors.
- The lose of relationship with family seem to be the most significant problem because family is what keep somebody safe at young age and if someone doesn't get the basic time and values to build a close family the psychological mechanism or need to copy this mechanism will be missing in his adulthood.

We learn by copy others lifestyle and if we miss the first step (family) we're lost and lose the morality, knowledge to build and keep a family.
We have to consider the improvement of entertainment system. People spend hours with video games, movies. Women fall in love with role model characters from TV shows and a lot build the "perfect man" standard which doesn't even exist only in the show she watches or the singer she listens 2 hours a day.
The fetish of celebs and other cults had lead to millions of people living in a dream world including religion.
Men who feel powerless keep watching TV shows as well and they associate themselves with basketball players, movie actors and get their "role model" based on these shows.
Even adult men i talk to seem to lack "own personality" but seek a role model - it usually becomes politic, nation or an idea that take away his own individualistic thinking and make him incapable to form own toughs.

And men lose themselves into a dream world not realizing how much their female partner could be if the men made an active decision to "make her the one" rather than practicing escapism and losing himself in pornography or whatever else. I think both women and men are equally guilty in this war of the sexes every society seems to battle.
Worst to me is blaming either gender. Only way is to bridge the communication gaps. And btw. I always believe the recessive is the true strength. Brute force never wins in the long run. Women do have the real power to make changes, but too many give that power away and live in misery never really understanding their own ability to choose and change "the right one".
 
All I see through Seanp is that he is insecure, for him women should all be virgins in order for him to impress them sexually! Well boo-hoo, it's gone baby gone, irreversibly. We are witnessing the last attempts through ISIS, white supremacists, Christian bigots, far lefts and the likes who only feel secure when enslaving some members of the society in order for them not to feel challenged and insecure, but it is just the end of a long era. Things are changing, women are never going back to being slaves again, get used to it!
 
When will people (men?) stop equating power as power over others. Civilisation will not fall apart because women have rights in society and their own sexuality.
It is too simplistic and possibly only promoted by men, who are threatened by women who wish to make their own choice.
 
thanks
I didn't know Unwin
the topic seems interesting to me but I don't know whatever conclusion I could draw
I think indeed that sex is an important factor in the human mind and hence for the whole society
it is strange there has not been any follow-up on this work
is that due to some kind of political correctness as you seem to imply?

Perhaps political correctness would be the wrong term to use. I think Unwin's findings go against the European conception of individual freedom, a belief which really transcends the political spectrum. I haven't read his later works, but 'Sex & Culture' is a really dry ethnographic study and doesn't really contain an indictment against feminism or anyhing of the sort. Female chastity is only an issue because sexual behaviour is traditionally regulated by restricting the rights of women in most societies. Unwin seems to indicate that the key aspect of sexual repression is the containment of unbridled male sexuality. (He chalks the effects of sexual restraint up to the Freudian sublimation of sexual energy, but I think it could have more to do with increased communal and familial investment from men). And indeed, if men by their nature are less inclined to monogamy, the obligation to lifelong sexual exclusivity would be worse for them.

Also note that Unwin did not claim that sexual repression would necessarily lead to material prosperity or impressive advances in techno-science. His studies merely shows that the tribes/societies that practiced sexual restraint were capable of independent cultural development. To be clear, I think there are many ways in which a culturally indistinct society could be a better place to live than a culturally developed society. Looking at modern and historic states that should be quite obvious.
 
I think that the only men who enjoy power over women are the ones who are being overpowered by other men in life and powerless over it.
Successful men value the partnership of a woman. And by success I do not just mean money, but having inner balance, being yourself and "making it" without having to be a fake or crawling up your bosses xxx in order to be rewarded what you're truly worth.
When will people (men?) stop equating power as power over others. Civilisation will not fall apart because women have rights in society and their own sexuality.
It is too simplistic and possibly only promoted by men, who are threatened by women who wish to make their own choice.
 
You won't see even the faintest support of Unwin's thesis in the modern social sciences - no researcher would touch this unless he wants a career at Walmart.

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Man... Some of you are very virulent in their reply, it seems that every topic, is an ultimate necessity of survive. We can ear a lot of things about men and women, frustration is one of the most destructive emotion, and sexual life does not escape the rule. I personnaly think that men and women are not make to live together for ever, but, it doesnt change the fact, that love, sexual attirance... Are very multiple and individual ( in a two person reciprocity ). And everybody with voluntee, can being happy, it just demand time, patience and relativism. About the subject itselves, civilization is a very ambiguous term, especially if we put politic in. My good ol friend Europe, is a great civilization only if i look in the past. And north-america... well everybody has his esthetic value.
 
Feel free to refute me (as I am young and inexperienced in such matters of love) but I believe modern society is far too focused on sex. It's as if everything is sexualized, to a degree where the activities themselves become devalued. I don't want Western society to revert back to total prudence, as is found in the Middle East, but it should definitely tone the promiscuity down to negligible and more manageable levels. But then again, I'm just a kid who hardly knows what he's getting into. As I mentioned, feel free to prove me wrong; in fact, I implore you.
 

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