To everyone who claims that Malta Boy was "Mongoloid"

[MOESAN]

Can we think about the other ANE, Afontova Gora 17,000bc together, who had more west eurasian components than Malta?

1. The anthropolosist V. P. Alekseev’s opinion, who sharply mentioned south asian components also.



2. Then, ask why genetic data's result is so different from anthro data's?

"Judging by the Afontova Gora II cranial fragment, the Upper Palreolithic population evidently must be assigned to the Mongoloid race."
Perhaps have we here kind of answer? Too quick conclusion based on too poor stuff? a modern well characterized type requires a lot of mutations/drifts that could not be found in remote times, and 25% of pseudo-mongoloid DNA can provide some mongoloid features in individuals, not shared by entire pop.

 

[Tomenable]

Unmixed Native Americans are around 20-25% Caucasoid (West Eurasian).

Kits of Native Americans (first 3 are unmixed, last 3 slightly Euro-admixed):

M174237
M192137
M637791
M051413
M283662
M221108 - mostly Mayan



Their results in Gedrosia K3:



Unmixed Native American (kit M174237):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 77.21
2 W_Eurasian 22.79

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Altaian @ 3.850997
2 Yukagir @ 7.566089
3 Yukagir @ 7.566089
4 Kharia @ 7.710388
5 Great_Andamanese @ 8.578797
6 Onge @ 9.086884
7 Birhor @ 9.304724
8 Kyrgyz @ 10.345919
9 Bhumij @ 11.542670
10 Sherpa @ 13.354014
11 Gond @ 17.560059
12 Paniyas @ 18.258831
13 Thai @ 20.282179
14 Changapa @ 20.967503
15 Nihali @ 23.295263
16 Kattunayakkan @ 25.599689
17 Mongola @ 25.925554
18 Nganasan @ 26.953400
19 Tibet-refugees @ 27.252836
20 Hazara @ 28.312693

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hazara +50% Subba @ 0.308882
2 50% Hazara +50% Tibet-refugees @ 0.537675
3 50% Hazara +50% Nganasan @ 0.680751
4 50% Hazara +50% Mongola @ 1.194173
5 50% Kyrgyz +50% Yukagir @ 1.389913
6 50% Kyrgyz +50% Yukagir @ 1.389913
7 50% Kyrgyz +50% Sherpa @ 1.506657
8 50% Hazara +50% Ulchi @ 1.851572
9 50% Altaian +50% Yukagir @ 1.857543
10 50% Altaian +50% Yukagir @ 1.857543
11 50% Han +50% Hazara @ 1.935836
12 50% Dai +50% Hazara @ 1.955318
13 50% Ami +50% Hazara @ 1.955349
14 50% Hazara +50% Nivkh @ 1.955349
15 50% Irula +50% Subba @ 2.188093
16 50% Ami +50% Chenchu @ 2.229834
17 50% Chenchu +50% Nivkh @ 2.229834
18 50% Chenchu +50% Dai @ 2.229897
19 50% Chenchu +50% Han @ 2.244962
20 50% Birhor +50% Yukagir @ 2.295154

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ami +25% Ami +25% Chechen @ 0.000000



Unmixed Native American (kit M192137):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 75.58
2 W_Eurasian 24.23

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Altaian @ 1.686324
2 Kharia @ 5.924846
3 Great_Andamanese @ 6.830129
4 Birhor @ 7.350073
5 Kyrgyz @ 8.177081
6 Onge @ 9.396663
7 Bhumij @ 9.480144
8 Yukagir @ 9.736913
9 Yukagir @ 9.736913
10 Gond @ 15.393288
11 Sherpa @ 15.514201
12 Paniyas @ 16.138699
13 Nihali @ 21.121679
14 Thai @ 22.443312
15 Changapa @ 23.133221
16 Kattunayakkan @ 23.425608
17 Hazara @ 26.142723
18 Irula @ 27.731430
19 Mongola @ 28.095785
20 Nganasan @ 29.123621

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kyrgyz +50% Yukagir @ 0.791240
2 50% Kyrgyz +50% Yukagir @ 0.791240
3 50% Hazara +50% Mongola @ 0.980906
4 50% Ami +50% Bengali @ 1.196445
5 50% Bengali +50% Nivkh @ 1.196445
6 50% Bengali +50% Dai @ 1.196501
7 50% Chenchu +50% Ulchi @ 1.206835
8 50% Bengali +50% Han @ 1.213791
9 50% Chenchu +50% Han @ 1.243518
10 50% Ami +50% Chenchu @ 1.252263
11 50% Chenchu +50% Nivkh @ 1.252263
12 50% Chenchu +50% Dai @ 1.252301
13 50% Mala +50% Ulchi @ 1.283897
14 50% Bengali +50% Ulchi @ 1.289442
15 50% Han +50% Mala @ 1.297913
16 50% Ami +50% Mala @ 1.301914
17 50% Mala +50% Nivkh @ 1.301914
18 50% Dai +50% Mala @ 1.301966
19 50% Ami +50% Kamsali @ 1.321784
20 50% Kamsali +50% Nivkh @ 1.321784

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +25% Hazara +25% Nganasan @ 0.000000



Unmixed Native American (kit M637791):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 74.58
2 W_Eurasian 25.42

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Altaian @ 0.000000
2 Kharia @ 5.194213
3 Great_Andamanese @ 6.105125
4 Birhor @ 6.327569
5 Kyrgyz @ 6.623735
6 Bhumij @ 8.256154
7 Onge @ 10.256041
8 Yukagir @ 11.288272
9 Yukagir @ 11.288272
10 Gond @ 13.948858
11 Paniyas @ 14.787859
12 Sherpa @ 17.073860
13 Nihali @ 19.653416
14 Kattunayakkan @ 21.954786
15 Thai @ 24.001825
16 Hazara @ 24.590527
17 Changapa @ 24.689009
18 Irula @ 26.232796
19 Mongola @ 29.647739
20 Nganasan @ 30.675585

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +50% Altaian @ 0.000000
2 50% Changapa +50% Hazara @ 0.000000
3 50% Hazara +50% Thai @ 0.562507
4 50% Bengali +50% Ulchi @ 0.872074
5 50% Bengali +50% Han @ 0.913657
6 50% Ami +50% Bengali @ 0.923566
7 50% Bengali +50% Nivkh @ 0.923566
8 50% Bengali +50% Dai @ 0.923601
9 50% Ulchi +50% UP_Chamar @ 1.340246
10 50% Bengali +50% Subba @ 1.377002
11 50% Han +50% UP_Chamar @ 1.378648
12 50% Ami +50% UP_Chamar @ 1.387753
13 50% Nivkh +50% UP_Chamar @ 1.387753
14 50% Dai +50% UP_Chamar @ 1.387790
15 50% Chenchu +50% Subba @ 1.520503
16 50% Ami +50% Kallar @ 1.524083
17 50% Kallar +50% Nivkh @ 1.524083
18 50% Dai +50% Kallar @ 1.524150
19 50% Han +50% Kallar @ 1.533447
20 50% Chenchu +50% Nganasan @ 1.545272

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +25% Altaian +25% Altaian @ 0.000000

 

[Tomenable]

Another unmixed Native American (this time ancient DNA sample):

Clovis Anzick-1, Montana, 10700-10550 BC (kit F999919):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Eurasian 74.24
2 W_Eurasian 24.66
3 SSA 1.10

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Altaian @ 1.390273
2 Kharia @ 4.253368
3 Great_Andamanese @ 5.162654
4 Birhor @ 5.679259
5 Kyrgyz @ 7.049500
6 Bhumij @ 7.863260
7 Onge @ 8.939782
8 Yukagir @ 11.074672
9 Yukagir @ 11.074672
10 Gond @ 13.935334
11 Paniyas @ 14.581216
12 Sherpa @ 16.789351
13 Nihali @ 19.686832
14 Kattunayakkan @ 21.991709
15 Thai @ 23.698168
16 Changapa @ 24.406475
17 Hazara @ 24.915745
18 Irula @ 26.342995
19 Mongola @ 29.382793
20 Nganasan @ 30.409595

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ami +50% UP_Chamar @ 0.000000
2 50% Chenchu +50% Subba @ 0.000000
3 50% Dai +50% UP_Chamar @ 0.000000
4 50% Han +50% UP_Chamar @ 0.000000
5 50% Mala +50% Subba @ 0.000000
6 50% Nivkh +50% UP_Chamar @ 0.000000
7 50% Ulchi +50% UP_Chamar @ 0.000000
8 50% Hallkipiki +50% Subba @ 0.281488
9 50% Kamsali +50% Ulchi @ 0.480379
10 50% Bengali +50% Ulchi @ 0.547935
11 50% Han +50% Kamsali @ 0.564644
12 50% Bengali +50% Han @ 0.582207
13 50% Dai +50% Kamsali @ 0.584120
14 50% Ami +50% Kamsali @ 0.584152
15 50% Kamsali +50% Nivkh @ 0.584152
16 50% Bengali +50% Dai @ 0.590645
17 50% Ami +50% Bengali @ 0.590713
18 50% Bengali +50% Nivkh @ 0.590713
19 50% Chenchu +50% Tibet-refugees @ 0.788032
20 50% Ami +50% Bhil @ 0.872780

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Altaian +25% Kattunayakkan +25% Thai @ 0.000000

 

[LeBrok]

F999919 Clovis-Anzick-1
N America, Montana 12.5kya
Run time 18.2
S-Indian -
Baloch 0.49
Caucasian -
NE-Euro 1.51
SE-Asian 1.05
Siberian 1.17
NE-Asian 0.18
Papuan 0.23
American 88.41
Beringian 5.25
Mediterranean 0.68
SW-Asian -
San 0.17
E-African -
Pygmy 0.09
W-African 0.76

He is 88% American admixture. Surui-Karitiana is 100%. Therefore he should have similar look to these people.

 

[ThirdTerm]

MA-1 belongs to Y-DNA haplogroup R* and mtDNA haplogroup U. Haplogroup U is a typical haplogroup of European hunter-gatherers and Y-DNA haplogroup R* is the ancestral haplogroup for R1a and R1b. West Siberian populations such as Mansi and Khants have the high frequency of hg U4, which is a West Eurasian haplogroup inherited from ancient European hunting-gatherers. The presence of Asian haplogroups is a result of population admixture which goes back to 6,000–10,000 years ago. Ancient Siberians who lived around 24,000-10,000 years ago had no East Asian admixture. Raghavan et al. (2014) found that MA-1 is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and it's also related to modern-day Native Americans (14-38%). Native Americans carry a high frequency of R1 (R-M173), which may be partialy derived from MA-1 in addition to presumed post-Columbian admixture. Haplogroup R-M173 (R1) is common among some Native American tribes (38-79%) and R1 is also widespread among certain south-central Siberian groups.

The origins of the First Americans remain contentious. Although Native Americans seem to be genetically most closely related to east Asians, there is no consensus with regard to which specific Old World populations they are closest to. Here we sequence the draft genome of an approximately 24,000-year-old individual (MA-1), from Mal'ta in south-central Siberia, to an average depth of 1×. To our knowledge this is the oldest anatomically modern human genome reported to date. The MA-1 mitochondrial genome belongs to haplogroup U, which has also been found at high frequency among Upper Palaeolithic and Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers, and the Y chromosome of MA-1 is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and near the root of most Native American lineages. Similarly, we find autosomal evidence that MA-1 is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and genetically closely related to modern-day Native Americans, with no close affinity to east Asians. This suggests that populations related to contemporary western Eurasians had a more north-easterly distribution 24,000 years ago than commonly thought. Furthermore, we estimate that 14 to 38% of Native American ancestry may originate through gene flow from this ancient population. This is likely to have occurred after the divergence of Native American ancestors from east Asian ancestors, but before the diversification of Native American populations in the New World. Gene flow from the MA-1 lineage into Native American ancestors could explain why several crania from the First Americans have been reported as bearing morphological characteristics that do not resemble those of east Asians. Sequencing of another south-central Siberian, Afontova Gora-2 dating to approximately 17,000 years ago, revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as MA-1, suggesting that the region was continuously occupied by humans throughout the Last Glacial Maximum. Our findings reveal that western Eurasian genetic signatures in modern-day Native Americans derive not only from post-Columbian admixture, as commonly thought, but also from a mixed ancestry of the First Americans.

 

[MarkoZ]

I don't think the case for pre-colonial R1 is particularly strong. Native Americans are very well-studied, and there's little reason to doubt the convential view that their R1 is of recent European derivation.

 

[LeBrok]

I don't think the case for pre-colonial R1 is particularly strong. Native Americans are very well-studied, and there's little reason to doubt the convential view that their R1 is of recent European derivation.

For years I was betting on Vikings to seeded the R1b in America. Another example how viral R1b can be, for still unexplained reason.

 

[Dov]

A. Zubov said that the teeth morphology have no Mongoloid features (Zubov, Grohman 2003)
Also I. Grohman and Okladnikov saids about Europoid burial. Although he probably did have some Mongoloid admixture, based on his DNA. But it does not matter.

Copy of the Malta burial from Irkutsk Museum

Because material culture of Mal'ta site have roots in Europe. Some hunters-gatherers from Eastern Europe migrated to Lake Baikal 24 000-25 000 years ago. Stone tools which definitely resembles a European tools. (Efimenko. 1953)
Also Palaeolithic Venus were unique European Palaeolithic art, they are also were found in Malta. Although slightly modified form.
However, they no longer found anywhere in the world. Only in Europe and Mal'ta.

Venus from Kostenki

Some other points are summarized by M. Anichkov:

- The closest analogue of Malta and Burete rounded semi-dugout - is dugout of Gagarino type (Eastern Europe)
- Using a large mammoth bones for home constructions, as in the Eastern Europe paleolithic cultures
- There are found arctic fox bones, whose meat is not used for food: after removing the skins, carcasses were buried in special pits. The similar thing was in Kostenki13 and Avdeevo.
- Hearth with a facing of stones similar to Zaraisk hearth.

It is definitely looks like unique and black sheep culture for Northern Asia.

And if all this is true, it means that 25 000 - 30 000 years ago in Europe probably has been Y-DNA R and autosomal DNA something like Afontova Gora. Probably somewhere in Don River region. And this mean that all fantasies about "Mongoloid Indians" who had come to Europe from Siberia is nonsense. We just need more Paleo DNA from these paleolithic places. Moreover, 38 000 year old sample from Kostenki already has about 25-30% of the modern euro DNA.

Kostenki rus wiki
https://translate.google.ru/transla...dia.org/wiki/Костёнковские_стоянки&edit-text=
Zaraysk rus wiki
https://translate.google.ru/transla...8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0

 

[MarkoZ]

Because material culture of Mal'ta site have roots in Europe. Some hunters-gatherers from Eastern Europe migrated to Lake Baikal 24 000-25 000 years ago. Stone tools which definitely resembles a European tools. (Efimenko. 1953)
Also Palaeolithic Venus were unique European Palaeolithic art, they are also were found in Malta. Although slightly modified form.
However, they no longer found anywhere in the world. Only in Europe and Mal'ta.


Some other points are summarized by M. Anichkov:

- The closest analogue of Malta and Burete rounded semi-dugout - is dugout of Gagarino type (Eastern Europe)
- Using a large mammoth bones for home constructions, as in the Eastern Europe paleolithic cultures
- There are found arctic fox bones, whose meat is not used for food: after removing the skins, carcasses were buried in special pits. The similar thing was in Kostenki13 and Avdeevo.
- Hearth with a facing of stones similar to Zaraisk hearth.

It is definitely looks like unique and black sheep culture for Northern Asia.

And if all this is true, it means that 25 000 - 30 000 years ago in Europe probably has been Y-DNA R and autosomal DNA something like Afontova Gora. Probably somewhere in Don River region. And this mean that all fantasies about "Mongoloid Indians" who had come to Europe from Siberia is nonsense. We just need more Paleo DNA from these paleolithic places. Moreover, 38 000 year old sample from Kostenki already has about 25-30% of the modern euro DNA.

I take it that you're an adherent of the Polako school of anthropological science :grin:

In all seriousness though, how do you expect haplogroup R to have arrived in the European Gravettian from South-East Asia? There's just no archaeological precedent to make a scenario like that even remotely feasible. If we go by the conventional view that the European Gravettian was born of the fusion between the indigenous Aurignacian (the originators of the characteristic Venus figurines) and Eastern Mediterranean elements emanating from the late Ahmarian, R just does not fit into the picture at such an early date.

You're absolutely right to point out that Mal'ta-Buret is Gravettian, albeit somewhat of an oddball perhaps. Though if we go by the assumption that the Mal'ta individuals experienced a recent admixture event (which would nicely concord with the models proposed by Fu et al. as of recent), wouldn't it be more realistic to say that his matrilineage is likely to be responsible for his 'Europeanness'?

 

[Dov]

I take you're an adherent of the Polako school of anthropological science :grin:

I Do not know what you mean, but at least Im not looking proto-Indo-European language in Himalaya. I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in your reasoning.

In all seriousness though, how do you expect haplogroup R to have arrived in the European Gravettian from South-East Asia? There's just no archaeological precedent to make a scenario like that even remotely feasible.

All that we know is the fact that Malta archaeological roots are in Eastern Europe. And the group of mammoth hunters 25 000 years ago penetrated into Siberia and they were autosomal European in the most part and have Y-DNA R. The rest is madness fantasies, which are not tracked now. Just like 8 years ago we had Andronovo and Togarian Y-DNA and we knew where they came from. And these facts were compared.

Good luck with the search for PIE in the Himalayas.

 

[Dov]

Many people are mistaken in good faith, believing that Malta people come into Europe. Hence all these fantasies about "Indians". But in fact, it is Europe Paleolithic Mammoth Hunters come to Mal'ta. This is key.

 

[MarkoZ]

I Do not know what you mean, but at least Im not looking proto-Indo-European language in Himalaya. I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in your reasoning.

You must have mistaken me for someone else.

All that we know is the fact that Malta archaeological roots are in Eastern Europe. And the group of mammoth hunters 25 000 years ago penetrated into Siberia and they were autosomal European in the most part and have Y-DNA R. The rest is madness fantasies, which are not tracked now. Just like 8 years ago we had Andronovo and Togarian Y-DNA and we knew where they came from. And these facts were compared.

I guess that's what happens when one tries to reconstruct pre-history based on a single sample.

Mal'ta was not 'European for the most part'. Within Eurasia Caucasians and several South Asian groups have a significantly closer affinity to him. I'm sure various Siberian groups like the Kets are similar in this regard, though I don't have any numbers to back this up.

Many people are mistaken in good faith, believing that Malta people come into Europe. Hence all these fantasies about "Indians". But in fact, it is Europe Paleolithic Mammoth Hunters come to Mal'ta. This is key.

The narrative about Amerindians invading Europeans was misleading indeed, but you've gone to the opposite extreme by assuming that because the Mal'ta-Buret cultural package has European associations it necessarily follows that the population must have been genetically European. It's perfectly possibly that the Gravettian culture-bearers who migrated into Siberia would have been outnumbered by the local population, in which case their descendants would have become sharply differentiated from the European Gravettian hunters (as is clearly the case with the Mal'ta boy).

 

[Dov]

You must have mistaken me for someone else.

You repeatedly referred to the controversial article of turkologist Anna Dybo about Proto-Indo-European ancestral homeland as great mountain system.

I guess that's what happens when one tries to reconstruct pre-history based on a single sample.

Mal'ta was not 'European for the most part'. Within Eurasia Caucasians and several South Asian groups have a significantly closer affinity to him. I'm sure various Siberian groups like the Kets are similar in this regard, though I don't have any numbers to back this up.

He was more then 57% european, according to him autosomal dna:
1 West_European 37.68
3 East_European 20.03

Malta was European with Asian component.
Closer to Europe territory Afontova Gora already had a no strong Asian admixtute.

The narrative about Amerindians invading Europeans was misleading indeed, but you've gone to the opposite extreme by assuming that because the Mal'ta-Buret cultural package has European associations it necessarily follows that the population must have been genetically European.

We have archaeological evidence that group of European mammoth hunters from specific sites Kostenki13, Avdeevo, Zaraysk, Gagarino came into an empty and sparsely populated Siberia, and brought a unique culture, which is archaeologically different from the local cultures . Yes, they're absorbed impurity rare local population. But at the same time there was no migration of R Mal'ta boy to Europe. There is no any archeological evidence for this. That is the key point.

Is that so hard to understand? But some people began to theorize that R came from Siberia with a Mal'ta boy population.
It is as if Andronovo came to Europe CWC from Central Asia with their R1a, and not vice versa.

 

[Angela]

Saag et al paper on ancient Estonia includes the following Admixture chart. Mal'ta seems to have not only "Siberian" admixture, but CHG and some Anatolian as well. Of course, it's Admixture.

 

[MarkoZ]

He was more then 57% european, according to him autosomal dna:
1 West_European 37.68
3 East_European 20.03

Malta was European with Asian component.
Closer to Europe territory Afontova Gora already had a no strong Asian admixtute.

Present day Europeans carry significant admixture from sources the fall outside the main West Eurasian branch. When attempting to quantify a hypothetical Gravettian input, using calculators based on modern populations doesn't really work. Perhaps something like Villabrunna or some of the European samples published by Fu et al. would work. Gravettian samples from Bulgaria or the Crimean peninsula would probably yield even more accurate results.

We have archaeological evidence that group of European mammoth hunters from specific sites Kostenki13, Avdeevo, Zaraysk, Gagarino came into an empty and sparsely populated Siberia, and brought a unique culture, which is archaeologically different from the local cultures . Yes, they're absorbed impurity rare local population. But at the same time there was no migration of R Mal'ta boy to Europe. There is no any archeological evidence for this. That is the key point.

I actually more or less agree on all points. The speculations about a migration from Lake Baikal to Europe are mostly amateur pet theories, though. I haven't seen these mentioned in any serious publications.

 

[LeBrok]

Here are few genomes of ancient folks.

						T732095	Oase1		F999936	C-V199		F999914	R		F999935	K-M526
Goyet, Belgium 35kya	Vestonice, Czech 24Kya	Romania, Central Balkans	40kya		Kostenki	37kya		Mal'ta	24kya		Ust'-Ishim, Siberia	45kya
Run time			Run time			Run time	4.52		Run time	18.02		Run time	8		Run time	21.09
S-Indian	17.68		S-Indian	14.06		S-Indian	26.35		S-Indian	13.18		S-Indian	10.13		S-Indian	26.72
Baloch	1.71		Baloch	1.68		Baloch	6.99		Baloch	12.49		Baloch	24.09		Baloch	8.4
Caucasian	-		Caucasian	-		Caucasian	2.19		Caucasian	-		Caucasian	-		Caucasian	-
NE-Euro	33.89		NE-Euro	41.3		NE-Euro	16.81		NE-Euro	29.02		NE-Euro	40.14		NE-Euro	6.51
SE-Asian	5.42		SE-Asian	0.8		SE-Asian	14.75		SE-Asian	4.28		SE-Asian	-		SE-Asian	12.11
Siberian	2.65		Siberian	3.98		Siberian	0.22		Siberian	1.75		Siberian	-		Siberian	2.05
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	1.21		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	3.84
Papuan	5.67		Papuan	4.65		Papuan	9.3		Papuan	5.16		Papuan	0.7		Papuan	10.9
American	1.94		American	3.75		American	-		American	3.32		American	17.71		American	1.13
Beringian	1.27		Beringian	-		Beringian	-		Beringian	1.43		Beringian	6.74		Beringian	2.7
Mediterranean	22.73		Mediterranean	23.93		Mediterranean	7.61		Mediterranean	18.76		Mediterranean	-		Mediterranean	8.14
SW-Asian	4.34		SW-Asian	2.99		SW-Asian	2.94		SW-Asian	5.89		SW-Asian	-		SW-Asian	4.65
San	1.91		San	1.27		San	5.62		San	1.24		San	0.3		San	2.44
E-African	0.8		E-African	0.42		E-African	3.02		E-African	1.82		E-African	-		E-African	7.27
Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	0.92		Pygmy	0.19		Pygmy	1.74
W-African	-		W-African	1.18		W-African	2.99		W-African	0.73		W-African	-		W-African	1.39

 

[LeBrok]

Here are the two of similar age, Vestonice and Mal'ta. They have more similarity with each other than to oldest guys from 40kya, however Vestonice is more similar to 35kya Goyet than 24kya Mal'ta. It doesn't look like Malta is a straight descendent from European population. At least not Central European. He is related though to European ones. The difference is about 40% in Baloch and American which were always strong in Central Asia and developed their.

						F999914	R
Goyet, Belgium 35kya	Vestonice, Czech 24Kya	Mal'ta	24kya
Run time			Run time			Run time	8
S-Indian	17.68		S-Indian	14.06		S-Indian	10.13
Baloch	1.71		Baloch	1.68		Baloch	24.09
Caucasian	-		Caucasian	-		Caucasian	-
NE-Euro	33.89		NE-Euro	41.3		NE-Euro	40.14
SE-Asian	5.42		SE-Asian	0.8		SE-Asian	-
Siberian	2.65		Siberian	3.98		Siberian	-
NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-		NE-Asian	-
Papuan	5.67		Papuan	4.65		Papuan	0.7
American	1.94		American	3.75		American	17.71
Beringian	1.27		Beringian	-		Beringian	6.74
Mediterranean	22.73		Mediterranean	23.93		Mediterranean	-
SW-Asian	4.34		SW-Asian	2.99		SW-Asian	-
San	1.91		San	1.27		San	0.3
E-African	0.8		E-African	0.42		E-African	-
Pygmy	-		Pygmy	-		Pygmy	0.19
W-African	-		W-African	1.18		W-African	-

 

[Dov]

CHG and Anatolian just can says that they came from European area, where they can contacted with these populations. Moreover, Don near to the Caucasus.

Here are the two of similar age, Vestonice and Mal'ta. They have more similarity with each other than to oldest guys from 40kya, however Vestonice is more similar to 35kya Goyet than 24kya Mal'ta. It doesn't look like Malta is a straight descendent from European population. At least not Central European. He is related though to European ones. The difference is about 40% in Baloch and American which were always strong in Central Asia and developed their.

Well, he should be a descendant of the Eastern Europeans Paleolithic Kostenky / Avdeevo / Zaraysk, not central. At the same time he shows the relationship with central Europe.
And what about Sungir 30,100 and Kostenki12 32.990? We do not have autosomal? I have never seen this, as far I understand.
However, tested still very little DNA, only 3 old sample in Eastern Europe. Also, very little DNA material. For example, only one baby tooth were found in Zaraysk culture.

 

[Tomenable]

He is 88% American admixture. Surui-Karitiana is 100%. Therefore he should have similar look to these people.

Why should he be similar to the Surui-Karitiana in particular ???

There are many different phenotypes among Native Americans:

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/ty...idetzky-knussman-i-inni/indanidzi#rasy-i-typy

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/ty...b-lundman/rasa-glowna-amerykanidzka-indianska

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/ty.../kierunek-czekanowskiego/sklad-rasowy-ameryki

 

[LeBrok]

Why should he be similar to the Surui-Karitiana in particular ???

There are many different phenotypes among Native Americans:

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/ty...idetzky-knussman-i-inni/indanidzi#rasy-i-typy

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/ty...b-lundman/rasa-glowna-amerykanidzka-indianska

https://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/ty.../kierunek-czekanowskiego/sklad-rasowy-ameryki

Are you saying that phenotype wasn't passed in DNA from Kennewick Man (like) to Karitiana people?