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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    Predicted R-M512
    MtDNA haplogroup
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    Predicted Haplogroup is R-M512

    Predicted Haplogroup is R-M512

    Please give more information about this haplogroup.

    Known Ruthenian (Galicia in Eastern Europe) heritage backward 300 years.

    With Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor I got this
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    Haplo-
    group Probability(%)
    E1a 0.2
    E1b1a 0.5
    E1b1b 4.5
    G1 0.4
    G2a 1.5
    G2b 0.7
    I1 12.0
    I2a 3.0
    I2b 0.5
    J1 0.5
    J2a 2.1
    J2b 1.8
    L 0.5
    N 3.5
    O 0.7
    Q 1.2
    R1a 54.0
    R1b 11.2
    R2 0.5
    T 0.7

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    M512 is the same as L21. It's the typical Atlantic Celtic lineage.

    Why do you use the predictor if you already know your haplogroup? What test did you take?

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-M417
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolan View Post
    M512 is the same as L21. It's the typical Atlantic Celtic lineage.

    Why do you use the predictor if you already know your haplogroup? What test did you take?
    I'm pretty sure R-M512 is the paragroup to which R-M417 belongs, within r1a. It's broad and not very specific. I'm pretty sure R-M512 has nothing to do wit Celts. Unless I'm missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I'm pretty sure R-M512 is the paragroup to which R-M417 belongs, within r1a. It's broad and not very specific. I'm pretty sure R-M512 has nothing to do wit Celts. Unless I'm missing something.
    You are correct, M512 is R1a1a, equivalent to M198 or M17; M412=L51 is R1b1a2a1.

    But R1a1a-M512 is not a paragroup, it is a haplogroup. It's only a paragroup if you are specifically excluding some lineages, for instance "all M512 that isn't M417".

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    M529 is actually the equivalent of R1b-L21. M512 is R1a-M198. In other words you only know that you are R1a but without knowing your subclade or deep clade. I suppose that was a dubious Y-STR test that you order?
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    Predicted R-M512
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolan View Post
    M512 is the same as L21. It's the typical Atlantic Celtic lineage.

    Why do you use the predictor if you already know your haplogroup? What test did you take?
    I did Family Tree DNA - Y-DNA111 test.
    I take Haplogroup Predictor to see influence other DNA Haplogroup (DNA is pretty Colorful).

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    Predicted R-M512
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I'm pretty sure R-M512 is the paragroup to which R-M417 belongs, within r1a. It's broad and not very specific. I'm pretty sure R-M512 has nothing to do wit Celts. Unless I'm missing something.

    I found that my Celtic connection is in R1b Haplogroup and it is 11,2% if I understand correct!?

    I wish to put From Family Tree DNA I print screen for part of R Haplogroup but I need more post.
    Is there Haplogroup M512=M198=M514=L168=M17 ? The same thing?
    Haplogroup M417 branch out from M512.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    M529 is actually the equivalent of R1b-L21. M512 is R1a-M198. In other words you only know that you are R1a but without knowing your subclade or deep clade. I suppose that was a dubious Y-STR test that you order?
    For R-M512 they say Presumed Positive and they recommend SNPs test.
    But from R-512 there are two main branh out
    YP1051 and
    M417
    From M417 there two more branch out
    CTS4385 and
    PF6162
    after that there is hundred branches and SNPs test.

    So I could be R-M512 or one of hundred other SNPs?

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    Predicted R-M512
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    M529 is actually the equivalent of R1b-L21. M512 is R1a-M198. In other words you only know that you are R1a but without knowing your subclade or deep clade. I suppose that was a dubious Y-STR test that you order?
    I did Family Tree DNA - Y-DNA111 test and my expectations with that Big test was Big.
    Unhappily I just know that I can make 100 test to be sure which SNPs is really my.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    Predicted R-M512
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    From eupedia table european_y-dna_haplogroups sorted by Countries
    I take my datas with significant value (criteria was >=3) and compare with Country Haplogroup data

    Best Correlation is with
    Poland 0,99450838
    Slovakia 0,93151534
    Belarus 0,92842751 but no T and Q Haplogroup

    Region/Haplogroup I1 I2*/I2a I2b R1a R1b G J2 J*/J1 E1b1b T Q N
    Me 12 3 0,5 54 11,2 2,6 3,9 0,5 4,5 0,7 1,2 3,5

    Belarus 5,5 17,5 1 51 5,5 1,5 2,5 1 4 0 0 10
    Czech Republic 11 9 4 34 22 5 6 0 6 1 1,5 0,5
    Hungary 8,5 16 2 29,5 18,5 3,5 6,5 3 8 0 0 0,5
    Latvia 6 1 1 40 12 0 0,5 0 0,5 0,5 0,5 38
    Lithuania 6 6 1 38 5 0 0 0 1 0,5 0,5 42
    Moldova 5 21 3 30,5 16 1 4 4 13 1 0 1,5
    Poland 8,5 5,5 2 57,5 12,5 1,5 2,5 0 3,5 0,5 0,5 4
    Russia 5 10,5 0 46 6 1 3 0 2,5 1,5 1,5 23
    *Chuvashs 7 4,5 0 30 3 0 13 1,5 13 0 0 28
    *Komis 2 2 0 29 11 0 0 0 5 0 0 51
    *Maris 3 1 0 32 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 61
    *Mordvins 8 1 3 36 11 3 14 0 9 0 0 15
    Slovakia 6,5 16 1,5 41,5 14,5 4 2 1 6,5 0,5 0,5 3
    Slovenia 9 20,5 1,5 38 18 1,5 2,5 0 5 1 0 0
    Ukraine 4,5 20,5 0,5 44 8 3 4,5 0,5 6,5 1 0,5 5,5

    Ruthenian was settled in Galicia (geographical between Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Ukraine)
    Any comment about my conclusions?

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    From eupedia table european_y-dna_haplogroups sorted by Countries
    I take my datas with significant value (criteria was >=3) and compare with Country Haplogroup data

    Best Correlation is with
    Poland 0,99450838
    Slovakia 0,93151534
    Belarus 0,92842751 but no T and Q Haplogroup

    I1 I2*/I2a I2b R1a R1b G J2 J*/J1 E1b1b T Q N
    Me 12 3 0,5 54 11,2 2,6 3,9 0,5 4,5 0,7 1,2 3,5
    Belarus 5,5 17,5 1 51 5,5 1,5 2,5 1 4 0 0 10 0,92842751
    Czech Republic 11 9 4 34 22 5 6 0 6 1 1,5 0,5 0,90068331
    Hungary 8,5 16 2 29,5 18,5 3,5 6,5 3 8 0 0 0,5 0,83445301
    Latvia 6 1 1 40 12 0 0,5 0 0,5 0,5 0,5 38 0,69874087
    Lithuania 6 6 1 38 5 0 0 0 1 0,5 0,5 42 0,62356895
    Moldova 5 21 3 30,5 16 1 4 4 13 1 0 1,5 0,7669072
    Poland
    8,5 5,5 2 57,5 12,5 1,5 2,5 0 3,5 0,5 0,5 4 0,99450838
    Russia 5 10,5 0 46 6 1 3 0 2,5 1,5 1,5 23 0,8734774
    *Chuvashs 7 4,5 0 30 3 0 13 1,5 13 0 0 28 0,64873717
    *Komis 2 2 0 29 11 0 0 0 5 0 0 51 0,42479749
    *Maris 3 1 0 32 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 61 0,38214854
    *Mordvins (Mordovians) 8 1 3 36 11 3 14 0 9 0 0 15 0,89087215
    Slovakia
    6,5 16 1,5 41,5 14,5 4 2 1 6,5 0,5 0,5 3 0,93151534
    Slovenia 9 20,5 1,5 38 18 1,5 2,5 0 5 1 0 0 0,86443254
    Ukraine
    4,5 20,5 0,5 44 8 3 4,5 0,5 6,5 1 0,5 5,5 0,89868755

    Ruthenian - Rusyn - Rusnak - Lemkos lived in Galicia - South Poland, E Slovakia, North-East Hungary, West Ukraine

    Any comment about my conclusions?

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    You are correct, M512 is R1a1a, equivalent to M198 or M17; M412=L51 is R1b1a2a1.

    But R1a1a-M512 is not a paragroup, it is a haplogroup. It's only a paragroup if you are specifically excluding some lineages, for instance "all M512 that isn't M417".
    Ahh. I see. Thank you for the clarification.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1a-Z280>YP5224
    MtDNA haplogroup
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    Hello, I strongly encourage to join R1a Project at FTDNA. Here's the link: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about

    We will be able to refine your subclade unless it's pretty atypical/rare basing on your Y-111 result.
    Last edited by Artmar; 08-04-17 at 11:56. Reason: link added

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    You are correct, M512 is R1a1a, equivalent to M198 or M17; M412=L51 is R1b1a2a1.

    But R1a1a-M512 is not a paragroup, it is a haplogroup. It's only a paragroup if you are specifically excluding some lineages, for instance "all M512 that isn't M417".
    Question, Any reason one male relative would be placed in 512 and the other 417?

    Me and my father test as R-M417 on 23. His cousin(on the paternal line of course) is grouped in R-M512.

    Any reason why he wasn't grouped in R-M417 with us?

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