MDLP MDLP k23b, Norwegians, finnish and saami

[KimG]

I got a question about the MDLP k23b. I tested it to see if i could interet my myheritage ethnicity estimate of 7.5% finnish, and 1.1% Native amercan. The native part is probably archaic siberian. But i know of no finnish, or forrest fin ancestors. How do i read gedmatch results when i know of no known saami,finnish or other eastern ancestors?
At the k23b calculator, i get saami rather than finnish. It*could* seem more plausible, but still i do not know of any. Anyone who knows of what sample size was used, in the "swedish_saami" samples in k23b? and what region of saami was used? The saami where I live is the South saami. Is th "Sweedis_saami in k23b relevant for my purpose?
But I know of nothing but ethnic Norwegians among my ancestors.
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# ​	Population	Percent​
1​	European_Hunters_Gatherers	41.20 ​
2​	European_Early_Farmers	23.37​
3​	Caucasian	21.79​
4 ​	South_Central_Asian	4.98​
5​	Ancestral_Altaic	4.31​
6​	Australoid	1.32​
7​	East_Siberian	1.29​
8​	Paleo_Siberian	1.23​

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dane 3.393328
2 North_German 3.548934
3 Dutch 3.943478
4 Swede 4.754822
5 Norwegian_East 4.803576
6 South_German 6.181055
7 Swede_Saami 6.241610
8 Belgian 6.897024
9 Frisian 6.912054
10 Norwegian_West 7.056119
11 Austrian 7.066043
12 North_European 7.257704
13 Icelandic 7.392514
14 English 7.463921
15 Irish 7.684135
16 German-Volga 8.452929
17 CEU 9.543863
18 Hungarian 9.808888
19 English_Kent_GBR 9.898293
20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 10.174520

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Cornwall_GBR +50% German 2.378891


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Frisian +25% North_European +25% Russian-Upper-Volga 1.930769


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Frisian + Irish + North_European + Russian-Upper-Volga 1.874558
2 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + German + Swede_Saami 1.899344
3 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Mordovian + North_European 1.920134
4 British + Frisian + Mordovian + North_European 1.921796
5 English_Kent_GBR + German + Irish + Swede_Saami 1.926281
6 Frisian + Frisian + North_European + Russian-Upper-Volga 1.930769
7 Hungarian + Irish + Norwegian_West + Swede_Saami 1.934039
8 Irish + Norwegian_West + Slovenian + Swede_Saami 1.938014
9 Frisian + North_European + North_European + Russian-Upper-Volga 1.940870
10 CEU + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Mordovian 1.944957
11 English_Kent_GBR + Irish + Mordovian + North_European 1.946792
12 Frisian + Mordovian + North_European + Welsh 1.955522
13 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Irish + Russian_Vologda 1.955921
14 Belgian + Irish + North_European + Russian-Upper-Volga 1.957648
15 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Irish + Russian-North 1.963935
16 Frisian + Orcadian + Russian-Upper-Volga + South_German 1.967334
17 CEU + CEU + Frisian + Mordovian 1.972365
18 CEU + Frisian + German + Swede_Saami 1.975063
19 CEU + Frisian + Mordovian + North_European 1.976882
20 Frisian + German + Swede_Saami + Welsh 1.982438
And my Brothers;

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

#​	Population	Percent​
1​	European_Hunters_Gatherers	41.10​
2​	European_Early_Farmers	22.62​
3​	Caucasian	20.05​
4​	South_Central_Asian	7.07​
5​	Ancestral_Altaic	5.46​
6​	Australoid	1.60​
7​	East_Siberian	1.10​

Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dane 3.992835
2 Dutch 4.298131
3 Norwegian_East 5.034338
4 North_German 5.117915
5 Swede 5.227729
6 Swede_Saami 5.634996
7 Icelandic 6.399018
8 Norwegian_West 6.905469
9 Frisian 7.565246
10 North_European 7.582345
11 Irish 7.748581
12 English 7.827634
13 Belgian 7.970275
14 South_German 8.040861
15 Austrian 9.106165
16 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 9.359840
17 German-Volga 9.485653
18 CEU 9.559583
19 British 10.263540
20 Orcadian 10.432569

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Swede_Saami 2.334264


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +25% Irish +25% Moksha 1.975708


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Icelandic + Irish + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 1.683483
2 Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 1.732940
3 Dutch + Orcadian + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 1.878437
4 Irish + Mordovian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 1.891747
5 Frisian + Icelandic + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 1.892809
6 Irish + Norwegian_West + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 1.943780
7 Erzya + Icelandic + Irish + Irish 1.953293
8 Icelandic + Icelandic + Irish + Moksha 1.975708
9 Irish + Mordovian + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 1.982190
10 Irish + Norwegian_East + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 1.989676
11 Frisian + Mordovian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 1.995688
12 North_German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 2.001621
13 Norwegian_East + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 2.015901
14 Dutch + Erzya + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 2.025249
15 Dutch + Icelandic + Moksha + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 2.027091
16 Dutch + Russian-Upper-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 2.029874
17 English + Icelandic + Swede_Saami + Swede_Saami 2.036427
18 Frisian + Icelandic + Moksha + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 2.041633
19 Finn_West + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami 2.046708
20 Dutch + Icelandic + Moksha + Orcadian 2.047723

 

[Lukas]

It's results of mostly or full Saami in MDLP k23b

1

	European_Hunters_Gatherers	41.29
2	East_Siberian	19.93
3	Ancestral_Altaic	15.55
4	Caucasian	11.47
5	Tungus-Altaic	5.95
6	Paleo_Siberian	1.53
7	Amerindian	1.5
8	European_Early_Farmers	1.42
9	Arctic	0.58
10	Australoid	0.24
11	Austronesian	0.18
12	Archaic_Human	0.16
13	Archaic_African	0.14
14	Subsaharian	0.07

 

[KimG]

Thanks
I noticed now, when editing the gedmatch result to remove some error Message about links, the population numbers wanished. Here they are
Mine:

#​	Population	Percent​
1​	European_Hunters_Gatherers	41.20​
2​	European_Early_Farmers	23.37​
3​	Caucasian	21.79​
4​	South_Central_Asian	4.98​
5​	Ancestral_Altaic	4.31​
6​	Australoid	1.32​
7​	East_Siberian	1.29​
8​	Paleo_Siberian	1.23​

My Brother:

#​	Population	Percent​
1​	European_Hunters_Gatherers	41.10​
2​	European_Early_Farmers	22.62​
3​	Caucasian	20.05​
4​	South_Central_Asian	7.07​
5​	Ancestral_Altaic	5.46​
6​	Australoid	1.60​
7​	East_Siberian	1.10​

What do you think of these?
What is interesting, it's hard to verify hidde ancestry, if Church records got no info, who could happen (ppl using double names, one Norwegian and one Saami, etc). Also, I assumed North sweeden would give false Finland/Saami ish results, but I have found no Swedes or Finnish. Only Norwegian ancestors in the records.

 

[Jovialis]

My northeastern European 4% autosomal DNA covers half of Sweden, northern Norway, all of Finland, the boardering area of Russia, and the Baltics. However, it does not indicate any Asian admixture in my autosomal percentages. Nor do I have any denosivan DNA. Could it be that it solely reflects the hunter-gatherers, Neolithic farmers, and Yamnaya?

 

[KimG]

Jovialis: Denisovan..
my Myheritage results don't look for denisov, but I have seen people of finnish heritage post results with denisov, though, Finnland isn't a denisovan hotspot.. Australoid or Papuan heritage is (one of the big companies gave my brother about a percent of australoid and one of papua ny ginea dna), and native americans of the amazon (only the amazon..). There is an interesting blog post "the men of the north: the Saami" where an scientist is criticized by the poster, with data from Pontikos, who I think is behind eurogenes. There the Asian, the Siberian DNA , by Pontikos is split. One goes north and east; the other is the "Asian" component you find in todays east Europe, hungary, and Turkish related Siberian peoples. Also part of the German-Scandinavian geenepool. If you google that link, and study the lower chart by Pontikos, you see the Saami isn't really close to the Polish-Hungarian aftermath of Attila the Hun altered the Germanic and eastern dna, by having his people settle. Purely for fun I ran deniov DNA on gedmatch trough k23b, almost pure ancestral human, but it matched "Saami" (Garbage in-garbage out...). My dna, is probably having some unusal component, I do not know the origin of. But Norway as ethnicity without any saami or finn, is a "no denisovan" zone. And should have few with aboriginal or Papuan traces, and certainly you get some Siberians, but not the far, far east of the Saami, (Ket,Nganasian or Evenk related). More like Turkish or people from Iran. Id expect Saami to show both far eastern and the "common" Siberian components, as posted "ancestral Altaic" and "east Siberian".

 

[Jovnna]

My kit is A940330 i get alot Swede Saami thru MDLP K23b

 

[Gnarl]

What is interesting, it's hard to verify hidde ancestry, if Church records got no info, who could happen (ppl using double names, one Norwegian and one Saami, etc). Also, I assumed North sweeden would give false Finland/Saami ish results, but I have found no Swedes or Finnish. Only Norwegian ancestors in the records.

Historically, lots of people tried to "pass" and there was official support for that. Fornorskingspolitikk was a real thing after all. And there may have been the occasional cuckoo in the woodpile. I doubt you can find any Norwegian without some Saami ancestry, if tiny.

 

[TeundeGroot]

I have also got Saami results on Gedmatch. Is this common?? My kit is H116261.

 

[TeundeGroot]

I have also got Saami results on Gedmatch. Is this common?? My kit is H116261.

When I run it through Oracle it doesn't say Swede_Saami, but when I run it through Oracle-4 it says Swede_Saami. Is this common?