Origin of R2a / R-M124 Haplogroup?

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Hello,

I do know that Eupedia is European forum. However, I would like to ask my question, since I am facing difficulty finding the answers.

What is the origin of R2a/R-M124 haplogroup?

So far, I found 2 answers. Some says, it originated from Southern India, while another answer is Western Asia. I have heard another theory that R2a originated from Central Asia.

Which one should I believe in?
 
bicicleur said:
R2 and R2a have been identified in early herders in the Zagros Mountains some 10 ka

there R2a split ca 10.6 ka

they spread further east and south
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Does this mean my ancestors came from present Iran? If so, could I find out, who they were, I mean any famous name?
 
noman said:
Does this mean my ancestors came from present Iran? If so, could I find out, who they were, I mean any famous name?
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around 10 ka they probably were in the Zagros Mts, western Iran
that was long before writing existed - no names recorded
 
check the calls

NeolithicIranGanj Dareh [I1290 / GD 13A]F8179-7613 calBCE (8780±50 BP)

X2Gallego-Llorente 2016;Lazaridis 2016https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganj_Dareh

IranGanj Dareh [I1945 / GD 16]M8000-7700 BCEP1 (xQ, R1b1a2, R1a1a1b1a1b, R1a1a1b1a3a, R1a1a1b2a2a) > genetiker R2-M479 (2) > Y3399 (3) xY12100 (2- ;10,9ka ;10,9 ka)P282+ (F1237.1-, FGC4603-, CTS12478-, CTS11962-, L448-, Z2123-)J1c10Lazaridis 2016I1945 Iran Neolithic R2a-Y3399 calls

IranGanj Dareh [I1949 / GD 37]M8000-7700 BCECT > genetiker R2-M479 5 op 6M5593, PF228, M5624, PF342, Z17710, CTS2842, CTS5532, M5730, M5751, M5765, CTS11358.None givenLazaridis 2016I1949 Iran Neolithic pre-R2-M479 calls

where is the mtDNA R2 ?
 
where is the mtDNA R2 ?
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Hey, thanks for sharing. It was really confusing to see mtDNA R2 haplogroup on Wiki. Now, my mystery would be solved if I find out, who my ancestors were. Moreover, according to Harappa World DNA calculator, I have 41% Baloch ancestry.
 
bicicleur said:
check the calls

NeolithicIranGanj Dareh [I1290 / GD 13A]F8179-7613 calBCE (8780±50 BP)

X2Gallego-Llorente 2016;Lazaridis 2016https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganj_Dareh

IranGanj Dareh [I1945 / GD 16]M8000-7700 BCEP1 (xQ, R1b1a2, R1a1a1b1a1b, R1a1a1b1a3a, R1a1a1b2a2a) > genetiker R2-M479 (2) > Y3399 (3) xY12100 (2- ;10,9ka ;10,9 ka)P282+ (F1237.1-, FGC4603-, CTS12478-, CTS11962-, L448-, Z2123-)J1c10Lazaridis 2016I1945 Iran Neolithic R2a-Y3399 calls

IranGanj Dareh [I1949 / GD 37]M8000-7700 BCECT > genetiker R2-M479 5 op 6M5593, PF228, M5624, PF342, Z17710, CTS2842, CTS5532, M5730, M5751, M5765, CTS11358.None givenLazaridis 2016I1949 Iran Neolithic pre-R2-M479 calls
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Ok, thanks, but it is not official.
Davidski once said, that it is possible, but is a guess.
Anyway, their au-relaton to Yamna and Afanasievo can suggest also IE origin.
So, still it is not known what R2 is indeed.
I would say 60:40 that the R2 can be IE also.

where is the mtDNA R2 ?
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For example in Tepe Abdul Hosein. http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/wasianneolithicdna.shtml
 
R2 originated in Central Asian according to FTDNA map; however, I am not sure about R2a. A Y DNA haplogroup map on Wiki shows Southern India for R2a.
 
noman said:
R2 originated in Central Asian according to FTDNA map
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There is almost NONE ancient R2, so they cannot know where it did originated.
R* was found in Irkuck, but could be a splinter of East European population.
In both cases R2 would not originated in Central Asia.
 
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