The Gay Marriage Controversy

[Silverbackman]

George Bush, is a very arrogant president. I do not like him, I think that he is trying to push his religious beliefs on the entire nation. Which is wrong, and against his own. Not everyone believes Gay & lesbian's are evil demons trying to corrupt the world. I for one am one of them who don't believe the same as him.

Is he? All he did is say his mind on the issue and never enforced nothing. Is it not his right to freedom of speech? Especially considering he is our leader.

Where did Bush ever say that gays and lesbains are evil demons? Again you are doing something what many liberals, do putting people in boxes of disagree with you. I am against gay marriage, and I don't think gays are demons nor do I follow a religion.

[Dutch Baka]

I am not anti-gay or anything, I in fact have gay friends. However the question of whether gays should be allowed to marry in my opinion is a stupid question. Marriage is between a man and a woman, period. There is no way around it. Saying a homosexual couple is marriage is like saying a construction worker is a fireman. A police officer is a police officer and a construction worker is a construction worker, there is no way around it. Mariage is a union between a man and a woman not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. That is how it has always been. I don't however mind if gays have the same econmical rights straight couples do in a civil union as long as it is not called marriage, because it is not marriage.

So if you gay friends say to you, were getting married, you wont accept that?

thats bit strange for me... maybe its the place if been born, and raised ( already before i knew my mom was gay) .

for me, this thing like marriage is man-wife, i think thats a bit old fashion... but yeah, everybody there opinion.

just being a child of a gay, makes it hard sometimes, when people cant accept such a thing as this....

sorry i just think you are a bit Double... you accept your friends because there gay, but not there marriage? am i right?

[Silverbackman]

So if you gay friends say to you, were getting married, you wont accept that?

thats bit strange for me... maybe its the place if been born, and raised ( already before i knew my mom was gay) .

for me, this thing like marriage is man-wife, i think thats a bit old fashion... but yeah, everybody there opinion.

just being a child of a gay, makes it hard sometimes, when people cant accept such a thing as this....

sorry i just think you are a bit Double... you accept your friends because there gay, but not there marriage? am i right?

If the friends that I have that are gay get married, my freindship would not change whatsoever. All I would say is that I am against what he is doing but I would be cool with it, just so long as the my gay friend doesn't let it come between our friendship.

Again though, liberals seem to put everyone that is against gays getting marriage into a box. They say that being against gays getting married means you think gays are demons from hell that need to be killed. No I don't hate gays but I do love logic and truth. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Just like a chair is a chair, a lion is a lion, a planet is a planet, ect. ect. The word marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. There is no way around it. You don't have to have to hate gays to support the word marriage is between a man and a woman.

[bossel]

but I do love logic and truth. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

That's neither very logic, nor true. There are even places in the world where some girls traditionally got (get?) married to dogs.

The word marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman.

Ah, now, that's closer to the truth. You follow a certain definition of the word marriage, but that doesn't mean that others have to follow the same definition.

[Sensuikan San]

If two guys or two gals want to get married....

...is it really going to ruin my day ?

I think not.

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[marcus314]

Is it REALLY that important to be "married?" Homosexual marriages do not bother me one bit, but here is my humble take on this issue.

How is your life going to be the different before or after marriage? Are you fighting for the right to simply go through the wedding ceremony? After the ceremony, it is not going to be very much different than if you are co-habitating with your partner.

With the divorce rates so high these days, I think that marriage is merely a piece of certificate rather than an insurance for you and your partner's relationship......

I think I am simply going against the concept of marriage....rather than homosexual marriage.......

I am open to any criticism.....

^_^

[Kama]

Still, some people wish to be married. Homosexuals also. Why deny them what others can have?

[misa.j]

I hardly see any relation between religion and gay people having the same rights as heterosexual people. Things get complicated when people bring up their beliefs which sometimes distort you from rational thinking.

This should not be an issue, everyone must have the equal rights.

[Revenant]

This was an issue only meant to put Bush back in office as I see it, and it succeeded.

The religious people, most of them, like most of all people, don't think through things carefully enough.

The main objective of Christianity, is to win others over to salvation, so they too may have eternal life, and not go onto their second death (spoken of in Revelations, and as I read it, no eternal suffering).

It would work far better, if first a gay was won over to the faith, and then gave up part of his/her lifestyle for the faith out of desire.

But by imposing laws based on Christianity alone, those who feel forced to follow a law they don't agree with, will naturally feel angry, as it's just a normal human mechanism for people who feel forced to get angry. And as people do, they then attach negative emotions to Christianity, and so are driven away from the faith, as are so many others who are witness to this.

Two arguments against those Christians that would ban same sex marriage,

Freedom of religion would be under no threat, in either Canada or America, as the churches have the full right to refuse anyone a marriage ceremony.

Allowing same sex marriage isn't destroying the sanctity of marriage, as that was done long ago, according to Christian belief, when divorce became a common and accepted practice. Jesus said that anyone who divorces a woman causes her to commit adultery, and any who marry the divorced woman would also be guilty of adultery. That's just the beginning of the arguments.

Two arguments against common liberal attacks.

Disagreement with the gay lifestyle doesn't equal hate. I can disagree morally with an action my friend took, but not hold any negative feelings against him.

Suggesting abstinence as a viable option for a gay-convert isn't suggesting the impossible. How are the homosexual and the heterosexual different, besides being attracted to the same or opposite sex? Sexual urges are just that, desires, and even a most basic urge, is controllable. Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, and a host of other people are testament to this. Also, that one should never beat oneself up for having a desire arise, but simply refocus, as that is the healthier way, then saying, "I am evil for having these desires". Common sense really.

I am a Christian, but would not vote against same sex marraige, nor would either condone, nor condemn same sex marriage, as there are strong arguments that the Levitical laws were cancelled in verses such as Colossians 2:14, and that the verses speaking against homosexuality in the new testament are actually mistranslations. I don't have any knowledge of greek, or latin, and it's not an issue that I must make a personal choice on. I will therefore let the gay-convert look at both sides of the arguments, within the Christian world, and come to his own conclusions. There are homosexuals on both sides of the argument with the Christian world.

[alexriversan]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050515/..._marriage_poll

this is from AP / YAHOO!, two hours ago

[Dutch Baka]

as this thread is about the Gay Marriage, im happy to pronounce that This next Thursday my mom is going to have her Wedding with her, yes yes yes with her GIRLFRIEND!!!!!

its going to be a nice party!! ( should be .. im the dj... ( i go crazy... first time i do this...) , and im really happy for my mom, and her girlfriend!!!

LONG LIVE THE GAY MARRIAGE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT AND NEED IT!!!!!!!!!!

[Sensuikan San]

Congratulations, Dutch Baka !

Would you please be so kind as to extend my sincerest best wishes to the Happy Couple?

This whole deal as to wether gay couples should be "allowed" to commit themselves to each other, or wether or not common law marriage is "right" or "wrong" simply disgusts me.

Everybody has their own life. Everybody has their own love. Most of us do not interfere or want a say, or want to control anothers life. I certainly want nobody to try to control my life !

Let's all get on living our own lives - dammit ! They're short enough, anyway !

Best Regards,

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[Dutch Baka]

thanks Sensuikan san!!! i will give my wishes to them!!!!

there will always be a group of people that will be picked on like this!!! were there any problems in the greek time about this???

[Kara_Nari]

Yes dutch baka, congratulations :)
At least there are countries that acknowledge and accept gay couples out there. Then there are always going to be the rednecks that oppose... Im all for the 'so what let them do what they want' In some of the situations im sure that they have put up with a lot to get to where they are now, so they would deserve to marry, or join in civil union. I know it made lots of NZ gay couples happy when they brought in the Civil Union.

[Kama]

Congratulations to your Mum, Dutch baka. :)

[Dutch Baka]

thank you all after the wedding i will post some pictures her if you guys would like!

[Kama]

yes, yes, please do so.

btw, have you seen "a me madre..." (I don't remeber the whole title) a film by Almodovar?

[Dutch Baka]

No, whats it about kama?

[Kama]

the full title means "my mother likes women"

mother tells her adult daughters that she's in love with a girl. a girl is from Czech if I remember correctly, and the woman gave her art scholarship above all the other things. Daughters doesn't agree with this, and want to get rid of the girl. :P it's really weird and many things are mixed up together. great film.

[Dutch Baka]

ow thanks, yes i will have a look for it!!!

a nice movie is F U C K I N G amal ( movie title!!!!!) look at http://www.*******-amal.com/ ( ***** is F U C K I N G ( without space)

nice swedish movie about high school girl, !!

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A PORN MOVIE

[Kala]

I don't know if anyone cares, but the name (in spanish) is "a mi madre le gustan las mujeres", it's not actually a film by almodovar, it's of two spanish women, but 'tell' (not sure that's the correct word-_-UU) in the almodovar's way....just comenting

[Ma Cherie]

I'm late in this thread, of course. I hope I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this, but please just grant homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals. For one, I am sick of hearing about this issue. And two, it's getting on my nerves the way some researchers are coming up with reports that if children are more likely to be sexually abused growing up in gay/lesbian parents than heterosexual ones. (That's only if those couples want to adopt children).

[Kama]

I don't know if anyone cares, but the name (in spanish) is "a mi madre le gustan las mujeres", it's not actually a film by almodovar, it's of two spanish women, but 'tell' (not sure that's the correct word-_-UU) in the almodovar's way....just comenting

Thank you for correcting me. I wonder why I did that mistake. It really is told in Almodovar's style, maybe that's way. Anyway, that's a great film, worth watching.

[alexriversan]

"there is a fine line between love and hate" (IRON MAIDEN)

[Dutch Baka]

HELLO

Sooo yesterday my mom and her girl (woman from now on) got Married

It was a really Beautifull day, they where being picked up by an old cadilac ( people stoped on the street to watch it what was really cool!!!! then we went to the city ward, there was a really beautifull ceremonie, ( i was the man of honor!!! ) then we had a party from 4 till 12... where i was the dj ( it was doing okay... so i can come to you next time KIrei!!!!! )

they got lots of presents, and it was just ABSOLUTLY amazing, how Happy the were, and how all the people react on everything....

most beautifull thing was that her ex-husband , my dad, was on the whole wedding all day!!!!!!

i will show you peeps some pictures as soon as i have them!!!!!

and again thanks for all the best lucks!!!!!