Vatican Warns Catholics Against Marrying Muslims

[Mandylion]

Yo! Ippolito is the only one trying to keep this post on-topic.

Either bring it back to what the Pope has said about marriage or take this elsewhere. JREF has had its share of run-away Islam threads and this will not become one of them.

[ippolito]

Thanks......anyway as I am not the pope or and important imam
my simple opinion is that they should close and agreement
in case of a mix religion marriage both could mantain his own religion and follows as before with any external forces to renunce to his/her religion.
in this cas i see only a civilian marriage as to find a finel solution..
about the children this will be a big problem who decides which religion they must follow?
Muslim don't give a lot of importance of woman wishes....meanwhile in western world
the women has more power in the family life (in comparison to muslins women).

[yimija]

about the children this will be a big problem who decides which religion they must follow?

We don't agree, my friend Ippolito-san let the children grow OUTSIDE religion and let them choos when they have enough clear vision to choose by themself wich one or none.

Muslim don't give a lot of importance of woman wishes....meanwhile in western world
the women has more power in the family life (in comparison to muslins women).

It's about time woman gets her place in this world, is ti not ?

[ippolito]

This my friend is difficolt for catholics when they just born
th must have battesimo than at 12 comunione and in a second time cresima.....these are important steps for the religion
i don't know the islamic lows for children nut I know they should read corano when they are very youngs....
The theoricl solution shuold be thet they will decide at 18th year old.
What kind of vision they could have if the is a family conflict about religon
if the mother is christian and father islamic?
Till they are children they would feel the religion lessons of their parents and get very confused, is God or Allah the wright way?
Do you think there is another solution to this problem?
have a nice day
Ippolito

We don't agree, my friend Ippolito-san let the children grow OUTSIDE religion and let them choos when they have enough clear vision to choose by themself wich one or none.


It's about time woman gets her place in this world, is ti not ?

[yimija]

This my friend is difficolt for catholics when they just born
th must have battesimo than at 12 comunione and in a second time cresima.....

Of course not Ippolito, thes DO NOT NEED BAPTISME. Three quarter of the world IS NOT baptised and they still can live. If this is so important let the child decde if yes or no he wants it when she/he is old enough to know.

these are important steps for the religion
i don't know the islamic lows for children nut I know they should read corano when they are very youngs....

Well, it's the same for every body even buddhisme, dont force them into it. Give them a good and respectuous education without the fear of a "superior being"

The theoricl solution shuold be thet they will decide at 18th year old.
What kind of vision they could have if the is a family conflict about religon
if the mother is christian and father islamic?
Till they are children they would feel the religion lessons of their parents and get very confused, is God or Allah the wright way?
Do you think there is another solution to this problem?
have a nice day
Ippolito

yes, it should not be theorical but practical, Ippolito san.
I wish you an excellent day.

[ippolito]

well dear Jimija also I do not folllow the corano.. and almost of europeans don't
but we are alive.
i suppose if you are complitely involved like some friends of mine that take children to the church or other koreans friends that follows evangelics churches
in these cases all the family is involved...and how can you say to you sons :
do not come with us to the church ? You will decide this later...
for Batisme....if you are christian you must do it to your sons or you just
do not follow any religions and in that case...it is very pratical just do what you like....with you and your sons....and do not involve them in any religion.
The main question in this forum is to trust or not....if you trust in a religion
you should follows the rules ad laws of that religion, but if you don't you are not engaged with any priests or monks.....just live as you wish under the civil laws.
also you have a nice day
Ippolito

[Duo]

I must say that I tend to agree with ippolito. Personally I do not practice or favor any religion in particular, however I tend to be drawn by Taosim and Budism. In a lot of Balkan countries, arab muslims have come for whatever reason and they are bringing their ways with them. They marry with local poor village girls and force them into wearing those concealing garments and act in the same way that their women do back home. So I could understand the Pope's request to the women. I mean just the fact that the prophet himself had several wives puts the status of women lower in Islamic society. Now there are some countries, like Turkey, which is a secular country due to the heavy reform of their great leader in the early 1900's, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, that has a society very similar to that of other christian countries in the Balkan.

[Areku]

Bleh. Let them marry, they are almost as messed up as each other. Bickering between two groups/people who both believe in a different 'god' is one of the funniest things in the world one can observe.

[howabe]

Especially seeing as they're both blatant rip-offs of Judaism and Yahweh anyways. Whinge about that below:

[lineartube]

I don't like Christianity or Islam since I believe that if a person believes in god or in some type of higher power, that's between that person and his deity, and if the organized religions have a problem, then bring it up to the patents office. I say this because I want to state where I stand regarding organized religions, which for me sometimes border the looks of a mind mafia.

Said that, I can say that I agree and understand the Pope stand about inter-religion marriages as I would agree if it had been told by a Muslim Imam, because he is just doing his job, that is to protect his religion from the eroding of faithfulls, being it to death, agnosticism, atheism or defection to other belief. I think it is a rare case of the developing of a spine by the Vatican folks, because in past and current world crisis, they optioned to remain silent, and in a way it is funny, because if in the Islamic societies, the sexual discrimination is blatant, the Vatican does condemns it among its faithful... as long as the condemnation remains outside of their ranks (have you ever seen any women in red robes? Is a woman faith less than of a man?).

[AranzA]

Is the pope still talking ? For the past... few years I could never understand what he is saying. The brave man should take a nice rest, he more than desserves it due to his illness and age.

As for Muslims, please DO NOT make foolish mistakes believing they are AlQuaida. Only a very little number, a more than minor proportion are. The great majority are respectfull, even if non-muslim dont always understand.
I think the situation and US (+ coalition) attitude in Arab countries makes things worst for the moment.

Thanks yimija for your reply . Arabic media talk about them as being tourists and not heroes. Even Imams, religious men, keep giving Muslims lectures about how this is not related to Muslims and the consequence of the terrorists activities. I'm fed up with the whole thing.. Those bastards are doing whatever they want to do and peaceful Muslims have to pay

Concerning getting married to a Muslim, I have seen many Christians marry Muslims.. Many of them converted to Islam before marriage, others did that later and some of them kept their religion..

*relief* talking about religions is hard to me ...



Peace
AranzA

[sweet]

Muslims are as human as you & me. They can be sweet, funny, vengeful, helpful, etc. The real problem comes when you let them rule your lives with their Islamic laws.

In Islam women are not allowed to marry non-muslims. Only Muslim men are allowed to marry non-muslims but this is only limited to Christians & Jews, the only other religions that Islam respects. Buddhists, Hindus & Pagans are not tolerated in Islam.

i am with u doctor ,, it is right men can marry non muslim (just Christians & Jews)) but women can't but there r resoan


thanx

[Duo]

i am with u doctor ,, it is right men can marry non muslim (just Christians & Jews)) but women can't but there r resoan


thanx

What reason is that ?

[sfanky]

its realy to bad to see so many hateful people about islam here.
arent you guys thinking about what would happen if 2human from 2 different religion comes together..
what will happen their childs? they will both want their childrens believe what he/she believe
so i think without having same religon,marrying will be very wrong...

[Cambrius (The Red)]

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Karl Marx

The more ignorant a person is, the more religious he is likely to be.

[Maciamo]

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Karl Marx

The more ignorant a person is, the more religious he is likely to be.

Totally agree. It doesn't matter whether it's Islam or Christianity or another religion. It's a common misconception of the Muslim world to think that Europeans like us disprove of Islam because we are Christians. Most Europeans aren't Christian, and I would be personally offended to be called one.