Early contact between late farming and pastoralist societies in southeastern Europe

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See: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB62503

Archaeogenetic studies have described two major genetic turnover events in prehistoric western Eurasia: one associated with the spread of farming and a sedentary lifestyle starting ~7000-6000 BCE, and a second with the expansion of pastoralist groups from the Eurasian steppes starting ~3300 BCE. The period between these events saw new economies emerging on the basis of key innovations, including metallurgy, wheel and wagon, and horse domestication. However, what happened between the demise of the Copper Age settlements ~4250 BCE and the expansion of pastoralists remains poorly understood. To address this question, we analysed genome-wide data from 135 ancient individuals from the contact zone between southeastern Europe and the northwestern Black Sea region spanning this critical time period. While we observe genetic continuity between Neolithic and Copper Age groups from major sites in the same region, from ~4500 BCE on, groups from the northwestern Black Sea region carried varying amounts of mixed ancestries derived from Copper Age groups and those from the forest/steppe zone, indicating genetic and cultural contact over a period of ~1000 years earlier than anticipated. We propose that the transfer of critical innovations between farmers and transitional foragers/herders from different eco-geographic zones during this early contact was integral to the formation, rise and expansion of pastoralist groups ~3300 BCE.
 
so, no turnover between neolithic and copper age
but from 4500 BCE on arrival of pastoralists northwest of the Black Sea,
I guess from the steppe

where was copper smelting actualy invented? was it in Iran or in Serbia-Roumenia?
 
pribislav the ones he did analyse here:


VAR009
; ~4700-4300 BC; Varna, Bulgaria, KGK_VI_CA; E-L618>CTS10912>pre-Y182141

Y182141 level: BY218115+ C>A (2A); BY135052+ T>G (1G); BY117854+ G>A (1A); BY118495- A>G (2A); FT149055- T>C (1T)




VAR018; ~4700-4300 BC; Varna, Bulgaria, KGK_VI_CA; E-L618>CTS10912>(pre-)Y182141

Y182141 level: BY216991+ T>A (1A)




YUN037; ~4600-4300 BC; Yunatsite, Pazardzhik, Bulgaria; KGK_VI_CA; I2-L621 (xY45825,CTS4002,Y85772)

L621 level: 8 derived SNPs

L621>Y45825 level: 6 ancestral SNPs

L621>CTS10936 level: *no calls*

L621>CTS10936>S19848 level: DEL

L621>CTS10936>S19848>CTS4002 level: CTS4002- C>A (1C); S23503/SK1240/YP198- G>A (1G)

L621>CTS10936>S19848>Y85772 level: Y101018- C>T (1C); Y94278- G>A (1G)



YUN038; ~4600-4300 BC; Yunatsite, Pazardzhik, Bulgaria; KGK_VI_CA; I2-L621>CTS10936>S19848* (xCTS4002,Y85772)

L621 level: 26 derived SNPs, 1 ambiguous SNP, 1 ancestral SNP

L621>CTS10936 level: CTS11768+ C>A (2A); FGC12092/YP224+ G>A (2A)

L621>CTS10936>S19848 level: S19848+ T>A (4A)

L621>CTS10936>S19848>CTS4002 level: CTS4002- C>A (2C)

L621>CTS10936>S19848>Y85772 level: 11 ancestral SNPs




PIE028; ~4700-4300 BC; Pietrele-Magura Gorgana, Romania; KGK_VI_CA; https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-S15572/

Z6046 level: 9 derived SNPs, 1 ambiguous SNP, 1 ancestral SNP

Z6050 level: 11 derived SNPs, 2 ambiguous SNPs

Z6050>FGC61612 level: FGC61612/Z43590- G>A (2G); FGC61591- G>A (1G)

Z6050>S15572 level: Y24686? C>T (1T-1C)

Z6050>S15572>S23560 level: S23560/Z29422- A>G (1A); Z28444- T>A (2T)

Z6050>S15572>BY37094 level: a lot of ancestral SNPs




PIE071631; ~4700-4300 BC; Pietrele-Magura Gorgana, Romania; KGK_VI_CA; https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15913/

There are no SNPs covered between M67 and FGC21416, but then we have:

FGC21416 level: Y15918/Z36447+ G>C (1C)

Y15913 level: SK1336+ T>C (1C)



YUN007; ~4600-4300 BC; Yunatsite, Pazardyhik, Bulgaria; KGK_VI_CA; https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z36829/


YUN026; ~4600-4300 BC; Yunatsite, Pazardyhik, Bulgaria; KGK_VI_CA; https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y13128/


BOY014; ~3000-2000 BC; Boyanovo, Bulgaria; Bulgaria_LCA/EBA; https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M205/
It seems this one could really be M205, despite awfully low coverage. He has just one derived SNP at M205 level (PF7301+ T>C (1C)), but he also has three derived SNPs at M102 level. Nothing derived below M205 though.




Very high diversity of C1a2 clades in Pietrele-Magura Gorgana:


PIE076; C1a2-V20>V86>pre-Y83490* (xF16270,FT59486)

PIE063; C1a2-V20>V86>Y83490* (xF16270,FT59486)

PIE057; C1a2-V20>V86>Y83490>F16270>BY36620*

PIE005; C1a2-V20>V86>Y83490>F16270>BY36620>BY36603

PIE050; C1a2-V20>V86>Y83490>FT59486>FT251331>FT252429


PIE025;https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y14629/
Belongs to the same rare clade as two Minoans from Skourtanioti 2023:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
HGC010 and HGC055 belong to the same clade https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y14629/ , formed in FTDNA Block Tree by one Italian and one French sample.



PTK005; G2a2b-CTS342>Z724>CTS11388* (xZ1903)


BOY001; R1b-Z2103

MAJ017; R1b-Z2103>pre-M12149

KTL001; I2-L701>Y5606>L699>S12195 (xY154998,S23937,Y166757)

MAJ004 and MAJ019 are females.

VAR010; T1a-L131>Y6033 (xY211139,FGC23008)

VAR016; T1a-L162>pre-Y63197 (xY152024)

VAR022; T1a-L131>Y6033 (xY211139,FGC23008,CTS933)

VAR032; T1a-L131>Y6033>Z19917 (xFGC23008,CTS933)


p.s
maybe later if he will add more results i will post them here
 
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Trojet's analysis on BOY014:

Trojet said:
It's quite unfortunate this sample has such a low coverage as it does appear he is at least J2b-M102+. Considering only one positive read at J-M205 level combined with no coverage at J-Z1825>Z593>M241>L283 levels, I'm personally not convinced he is J-M205 with the data we currently have.
 
I wasn't aware that the debate as to whether it was the Balkan Neolithic or the Near Eastern Neolithic which first introduced copper smelting had been settled. Last I heard it was too difficult to tell.

If you could provide the appropriate paper I'd appreciate it.
 
I wasn't aware that the debate as to whether it was the Balkan Neolithic or the Near Eastern Neolithic which first introduced copper smelting had been settled. Last I heard it was too difficult to tell.

If you could provide the appropriate paper I'd appreciate it.

dear angela,
i also don't know we can only speculate
in my opinion as i read from user riverman from our forum in his post in anthrogenica
likely that this branch spread to north africa ( algeria)
with neolithic farmers

Originally Posted by capsian
so ,we can says it's back migration to North Africa to Haplogroup E-L618


riverman:

For this specific branch, yes, definitely. But keep in mind that this branch is 8.000 years old and we don't know whether these new samples split the trunk:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y182141/

Like its possible that this specific branch moved with other E-L618 into Europe, say 7.500 years ago, while other branches stayed in North Africa or the like. We can't be sure if they don't end up in the same downstream branch and at which distance, since they are just Pre-E-Y182141


p.s
by me
important to mention that pribislav defined this VAR009 individual as pre-e-y182141 ( since it shows some positive and at the same time some negative calls at the y182141 level)
Y182141 level: BY218115+ C>A (2A); BY135052+ T>G (1G); BY117854+ G>A (1A); BY118495- A>G (2A); FT149055- T>C (1T)
 
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