Freedom in the USA vs Japan ?

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People are always saying the US is the greatest country in the world, and it's because we have "freedom", blah blah blah.

My question is, does Japan have anything that we don't have? Or do we have something Japan doesn't have? I mean serious stuff, such as laws, that would make Japan NOT a country of "freedom" compared to the US.

'Cause I just get the feeling if I were to move to Japan, I wouldn't miss much.
 
not about japan in particular but.. im a swede.. we have atleast the same amount of "freedom" you guys do.. so do the british and italian people.. and pretty much every other developed country...

the only people talking about america being great for its freedom are americans and... mexicans i guess =P

/my 2 sen
 
The U.S. may be "free," but there are laws that keep our freedom in check. For example, we are not fee to smoke marijuana, or kill people, or run naked, or take drugs, or curse in public schools. We can't wear some types of clothing in the workplace, or other places of interest. So, in some instances, we are not free.

Not to be anarchic or anything, but our freedoms have caveats to it, as do the freedoms of nations around the world, not just Japan.

This should be move to the Opi0nions section.
 
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Big socialist and communist parties with members in national assembly. Not that they are necessarily good things to have, but their significant presence does indicate that the society has toletrance for some of the most radical critics of conservatives and rightists in the western world.

U.S. Naturalization, Barred Classes of Aliens

The following classes of persons are barred from naturalization:

1. Subversives - INA 313

1. anarchists;

2. individuals who advocate or teach opposition to all organized government, or are members of or affiliated with any organization that so advocates;

3. individuals who are members of or affiliated with the Communist Party of the United States or of any foreign country, or any front organization (membership must be meaningful);

4. members of any other totalitarian party of the United States;

5. persons who, although not members of or affiliates with the Communist Party, personally advocate the economic, international and governmental doctrines of world communism or the establishment of a totalitarian dictatorship in the United States;

6. persons who advocate or teach the overthrow of the United States government by force or violence;

7. saboteurs; and

8. persons who write or publish subversive material or cause such to be published or are members of any organization that publishes any of the foregoing.
 
Japan doesn't have the likes of religious rights in mainstream politics advocating craps like creationism and prayer in public schools, prohibition of abortion and homosexuality, etc. (although Japan does have its own share of more dangerous cults such as Aum).

Crime rate is also lower in Japan. But Japan does not allow ``freedom'' to carry fire arms, so if you are a member of NRA, Japan isn't such a nice place.
 
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And public welfare. In all the indices below Japan performes better than the U.S. But if your idea of ``great country'' is a heaven for rich republican white bankers, then Japan may be not a better society to live in.

From OECD & UN stats (oecd.org, un.org)

Income Distribution (Gini Coefficient, measure of equality)
16th Japan 26.0. 4th United States 34.4. (1st Mexico 52.6, 2nd Turkey 49.1, 3rd Italy 34.5)

Public Share of Health Expenditure
10th Japan 76.7%. 30th United States 44.3%. (28th Mexico 46.4%, 29th South Korea 44.4%)

Infant Mortality Rate (per 1,000 births)
30th Japan 3.2. 6th United States 6.7. (1st Turkey 39.5, 2nd Mexico 28.2, 3rd Poland 9.1, 4th Hungary 8.8, 5th Slovakia,)

Male Life Expectancy
1st Japan 77.9. 21st United States 74.3. (22 Denmark 74.2, 23 Portugal 72.6 , 24 Czech Republic 72.1, 25 South Korea 71.8, 26 Mexico 70.4)

Female Life Expectancy
1st Japan 85.1. 20th United States 79.9. (21st Ireland 79.6, 21st Portugal 79.6, 23rd South Korea 79.3)
 
ooo ooo oootriple post...one of the admins are going to get you. :p

Agreed America promotes the freedom hemblah but no place is really free. I mean they say they offer equal opportunity but some of the major companies are primarily dominated by one group of minorities, hiring and limiting who shoudl be hired. Not even depending on how much eduacation you have but by the color of your skin. which is tooo sad. For we are all one person. If your definiton of free describes the ability to be an automaton for the american world unless your different from the next man then you best bet is to find freedom or nonfreedom in another country. :mad:

:bluush: but what do i know...i'm just a hard working man who came across a chance for a good job which is extremly hard to get into and see hundreds of people-qualified people- get turned away from the job because not "automaton" materia.

:mad: bleh...
meep...
 
ALWAYS HELD IN CHAINS & BONDAGE BY....

"OBLIGATIONS" to job, better half, family & friends; too many to name. Even if you live as a hermit, you have "OBLIGATIONS" to yourself! I think death may be the only true freedom, but won't know that till I get there(probably will be "OBLIGATIONS" there also) !

Frank
:mad:
 
lmao!
Like your are obligated not to look at angel bums while flying....
this means you frank the cat!

Frank:: -snaps fingers- damn obligations they followed me after death! :mad:
 
Wow !!! Congrats!! Your Pants Are Held Up By....

a brown belt now !!

Frank

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:
 
hey well would you look at that
-Looks at brown belt...-

man i miss those little symobls we use to have though. but thankies! :wave:
 
Honestly, i'm glad our country hasn't legalized the use of marijuana besides for medical purposes. America is getting more corrupt by the minute.. I hope we don't get Bush again... Probably our government hasn't legalized marijuana is because they're taking it all for themselves haha!
 
I've always heard people say the US was free and no other country was better, or even equal. In freedom, I mean. Guess they were just superpatriotic idiots.

Everything in Japan, or the US that one might consider to be a lack of "freedom" of any kind, like some of the stuff you guys listed, really doesn't affect me at all. I'm sorta apathetic and don't complain much anyway, so...


TyPe-ZeRo said:
Honestly, i'm glad our country hasn't legalized the use of marijuana besides for medical purposes.
Ya know, a lot of potheads always complain about that. What they don't realize is, if it WERE to become legal, the government were to control who can buy it, how much it costs (of course it'd be 2349823904890238 times more expensive), even the level of THC in it.

Additionally, it's NEVER EVER going to happen. Ever. Period. Why do people talk about it so much? Why am I talking about it? I don't do, or know anyone that does drugs. You guys are making me less apathetic!
 
Hachiko said:
curse in public schools.
Thats just pushing it, we can swear all we want in Australia (the teachers may not like it)

What I find most amusing is Americans who come to Japan and feel they have lost their 'freedom'. Even more amusing to see someone shouting red in the face "Im AMERICAN! I have rights!", sorry to tell ya mate....

Personally I feel japan is an incredibly free country. You can go out and walk around anytime of the day or night in safety in the big cities. Lets see you do that in America (or here in australia for that matter).

Weapons are alot rarer in Japan. With guns totally banned and knives not so popular its safe.

Im not so sure about the much touted 'free speech', technically in Australia and Britain there is no such thing but it doesnt matter too much. I do know in Japan things can get a little 'scewed' in the media and so forth but its no big deal (a bit annoying tho)

Anyone know of any anti-freedom laws or things in Japan/own country?
 
Ewok85 said:
Thats just pushing it, we can swear all we want in Australia (the teachers may not like it)
that one blew my mind, when my girlfriend was telling me all about her foul mouthed gym teacher. oddly enough jerry springer is still censored over there.
 
Ewok85 said:
Thats just pushing it, we can swear all we want in Australia (the teachers may not like it)

What I find most amusing is Americans who come to Japan and feel they have lost their 'freedom'. Even more amusing to see someone shouting red in the face "Im AMERICAN! I have rights!", sorry to tell ya mate....

Personally I feel japan is an incredibly free country. You can go out and walk around anytime of the day or night in safety in the big cities. Lets see you do that in America (or here in australia for that matter).

Weapons are alot rarer in Japan. With guns totally banned and knives not so popular its safe.

Im not so sure about the much touted 'free speech', technically in Australia and Britain there is no such thing but it doesnt matter too much. I do know in Japan things can get a little 'scewed' in the media and so forth but its no big deal (a bit annoying tho)

Yep! Point well taken. (Btw, glad to see it has been put in its place. :cool:)
 
Well, there are other freedoms that you all are not thinking about. To a Japanese person moving to somewhere like Europe or the U.S., it can be very liberating.

Freedom to be themselves. It may sound corny, but I have known it to be true. Every Japanese person I know who has lived here, or living here, loved it because they could be themselves. They felt that here, they could be more relaxed. Japanese people always have to think--and think hard--about what they are going to say in any given situation with other Japanese people. They also have to think very carefully about how they are going to act around other Japanese. One wrong look, and you're screwed. I know that first-hand.

Just some examples. My husband, who used to get home at 1 a.m. every night in Japan, now gets home by 7 p.m. He also doesn't have to feel pressured into hanging out with his boss and other co-workers after work here. He can have a big 4 bedroom house and an acre of land cheap. He can be his friendly, bubbly self to people instead of feeling like he has to have a poker face. The list goes on and on.

My friend told me she could have never told her Japanese friends what she had been able to tell me. One example, my friend's daughter was born with a congenital heart defect. She had to have 3 surgeries by the time she was 18 months old. My friend's friends, that she had known most of her life, did not know about it and would never find out. Her parents' friends would never find out. They would keep it a secret from everyone except their immediate family. If her mom's friend says something about her little girl being too skinny, she doesn't want to and feels like she can't tell her it's because she was born premature with a heart defect and has had to have surgeries.

Japan is an island. It's like living in a big small town, I've often been told. You can't even move to another place without being looked down upon, because it is thought that you did something bad and are in trouble. It has carried that stigma for many years. You can't tell someone about your child being sick and having to have open-heart surgery because you don't want people to know that your child has a defect because it is shameful or because you don't want to be pitied. I know, I know. A lot of modern-day Japanese people don't think like that anymore, but a lot of them do.

There's a lot more I could list, but it would just get boring, and it would seem like I'd be rambling. I just wanted to point out that there were other "freedoms" to take into consideration. Not just technical ones. Hopefully, you all will kind of be able to understand what I'm trying to say.
 
Kirei, the liberation you seem to be talking about among the Japanese peoples is that of their culture, rather than their political doctrine.

Now I'm not sure if this thread is talking about political freedoms of socioeconomical status', or ethnic cultures.

Coming down to it, culture or politically speaking, freedom is a concept that in essance cant be obtained within tangible grasps. There are always laws, be it that of organizations utilized to maintain the peace *police, military*, culturally fueled religious, or traditional beliefs, or the laws of nature.

Take this site for example. The chit chat forum was probably the most active places at one point. People were able to freely post anything, even the most mindless of topics.

But while we are technically still free to do so, we are encouraged to do otherwise. Our means of motivation? Post counts, and ratings.

So technically we are free to wallow in a field of mindlessness, but for 'respect' of our peers and cohorts, we are compelled to make posts in other areas regarding the forums restrictions *ie: in order to get higher post counts, we must confine to the given titles of other forums, instead of freely enjoying the ability to waste time and life in the chit chat forum* I wont be surprised if the freedom to spend energy posting about irrelevant topics in the chit chat forum will end up being not only discouraged, but maybe even punished.

Yes, a bit of a winded post, but isnt that what the moderators are looking for now?
 
Yes, that's what I meant by different freedoms to take into consideration. The cultural ones.

*sigh* I never make any sense, I guess...
 

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