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  • Aspurg's Avatar
    Today, 02:17
    Aspurg replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    I see leaked Hungarian paper info having the 3000 years old Gava E-L539 sample clustering with Czech Bell Beakers which means far from subsequent V13...
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 02:16
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    PIE Thracians being E1b-V13 and R1b-Z2705 is quite clear it will be solidified with the upcoming papers in near future. Generally connecting the...
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  • Aspurg's Avatar
    Today, 02:06
    Aspurg replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Z2103 has a very broad application. But V13 was found: In Pshenichevo culture of Bulgaria, 3 out of 3 samples. In a Moldavian "Scythian" sample,...
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 01:45
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    I kindly once and for all remind everyone that this thread is about Proto-Illyrian J2b-L283 only. If you want to continue talking about obscure...
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  • enter_tain's Avatar
    Today, 01:36
    enter_tain replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Yes, it definitely means something. Northern Illyrians have WAY more steppe ancestry. This is the great Daco-Thracian empire according to you...
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 01:35
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    E1b-V13 and R1b-Z2705 have a very different pathway from Illyrian J2b-L283 so your "Greek" pseudoscientific hypotheses does not work here.
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  • Aspurg's Avatar
    Today, 01:33
    Aspurg replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Do not mix apples and oranges. Being "close to central Europe" in a modern context doesn't really mean anything. 6000 years ago there were EEF's...
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 01:32
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Strongest Illyrian patrilineage J2b-L283 and autosomal survival is Kosovo, North Albania and certain areas in Albanian populated North Macedonia (we...
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  • Hawk's Avatar
    Today, 01:20
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  • enter_tain's Avatar
    Today, 01:19
    enter_tain replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    And look. From the Middle Bronze Age onwards, Greeks and Albanians experience the same shift from some of their ancient counterparts. EV-13 and...
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  • torzio's Avatar
    Today, 01:14
    torzio replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    too many people are merging origin and ethnicity of a populace and think it is the same thing Origin: is the beginning of a people Ethnicity:...
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  • enter_tain's Avatar
    Today, 01:11
    enter_tain replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Do you know how dumb you sound? Albanians cluster with Greeks, who are EV-13 heavy, and also RZ2103 heavy. Southern Illyrians heavily intermixed with...
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  • enter_tain's Avatar
    Today, 01:04
    enter_tain replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    I love the tactics of these people. Years ago, Albanians were Turks. Then they came from the Caucaus or North Africa or something. Then now it's the...
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  • Aspurg's Avatar
    Today, 00:54
    Aspurg replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Yes for sure we are waiting for that paper. I am very interested in any V13 samples and where will they appear (other than those samples from...
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  • Hawk's Avatar
    Today, 00:51
    Now, we need to take the 3rd booster shot. I cannot enter coffee/restaurants without 3rd booster.
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 00:45
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Laughs in Korbi J2b-Z631 :lol2:
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 00:44
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Po Ilir jena! :bigsmile: Sorry on my behalf too for engaging in conversations with these people.
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  • Aspurg's Avatar
    Today, 00:43
    Aspurg replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    I "celebrated" the I2a sample?? Why would I do that, I was just trolling.. Obviously autosomally it doesn't fit into an Illyrian. Now about...
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  • Mordred's Avatar
    Today, 00:40
    This tells that you're Balkan. 62%+ is very high. I believe all other indicators are basically assumptions of their own instrument indicators of a...
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  • Jiri's Avatar
    Today, 00:36
    Well, let me put it in a simple and a bit funny way, if I can contribute here: What characterizes high IQ people the most is usually an ignorance...
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 00:35
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Honestly, I don't care about them now, so I won't deal with them. Only joined this forum as I am the son of a Krasniqi man and a Korbi woman and am...
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  • Fustan's Avatar
    Today, 00:26
    Fustan replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Sure, but I'm not completely familiar with the EV13 or R-L23 clades at all. My position is that the largest of their respective clades that Albanians...
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  • Mmiikkii's Avatar
    Today, 00:24
    That is very interesting.It's true R & Q haplogroups are the closest. Besides they were all in Siberia during the late Paleolithic/Mesolithic.Besides...
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  • Fustan's Avatar
    Today, 00:22
    Fustan replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    True, let's get back on topic of our great Illyrian haplogroup.
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 00:19
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    We have strong paternal and most definitely also Illyrian autosomal heritage. But saying all E1b-V13 and R1b-Z2705 is of Illyrian descent is very...
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  • Hawk's Avatar
    Today, 00:18
    Hawk replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    Let's wait for Southern-arch paper, we will have enough samples to make conclusion. But, you might be right anyway, either fully or partially.
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  • Hawk's Avatar
    Today, 00:17
    Hawk replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    mount123/enter_tain/Thraco-Illyrian/Fatherland how many alternative accounts will you open?
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  • Mmiikkii's Avatar
    Today, 00:12
    Yet again another great group of peoples, particularly civilization, that seems to come from Bronze Age population turnovers.We already had the...
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  • mount123's Avatar
    Today, 00:11
    mount123 replied to a thread J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian) in J2
    At this point, as per usual, I kindly remind everyone that this thread is only about "J2b-L283 (Proto-Illyrian). I am very much sure that there...
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  • Jiri's Avatar
    Today, 00:11
    How do you feel about graffiti in public places ? quotes: Vandalism is a crime-Personally I can't stand graffiti-I don't like graffiti either....
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