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Bounty Hunter
25-07-04, 20:11
I have a serious question for the older or mabye some of the younger members.

Why is it when a man gets raped its not taken as seriously as when a women gets raped?

I DON'T MEAN TO AFFEND PEOPLE

jeisan
25-07-04, 21:26
ok a couple things, im moving this to serious talk and deleting all previous posts to start this over.
king of tokyo, please refrain from repling here unless you have something constructive to ad.

King of Tokyo
25-07-04, 21:28
Haha sorry, actually my first post was serious, then it just got ridiculous.

tha_rippa1be
25-07-04, 21:38
i think it is becouse a man is generally seen as physicly stronger then a woman, so if the man doesnt want to have sex, he could just push the woman away or something...

well, thats wat i think.

(does 16 mean of the younger members?) :?

TwistedMac
25-07-04, 21:50
i blame culture

kirei_na_me
25-07-04, 22:17
Men don't have to be raped by women. Ever heard what goes on in a men's prison?

Keiichi
25-07-04, 22:19
Yeah. I sure most men don't mind being "raped" by women (well it wouldn't be rape in this case, huh?), but by others... hmm... let's not go there. :D

jeisan
25-07-04, 22:31
because it is thought that guy always wanna have sex with any girl that moves.
also maybe said girl has a disease or something and you say "NO" but then she gets ya trashed and ties up while youre passed out. then hmm ties a popsicle stick to ya and goes to town. what then or maybe a bunch all hold you down. or a million other scenarios i could think up but it does happen just not often.

kirei_na_me
25-07-04, 22:40
Someone could be slipped certain blue pills too, I guess.

Bounty Hunter
25-07-04, 22:43
i think it is becouse a man is generally seen as physicly stronger then a woman, so if the man doesnt want to have sex, he could just push the woman away or something...

well, thats wat i think.

(does 16 mean of the younger members?) :?

well it could go like that but what about drugs if the women drugs the guy into it.

I have heard of this happening before

Duo
26-07-04, 00:14
Male rape in what sense? Man to another, or a woman tricking a man into bed. I must say these lasts ones are few in case. As for the first one well....... it's an ugly thing, but i guess it happens and that's too bad. All kinds of rape is bad

RockLee
26-07-04, 00:31
I think because it would be a shamefull thing to be said in public...ever heard on the news of a guy been raped???(maybe once or twice) :souka:

Frank D. White
26-07-04, 03:08
I never even thought of rape by a woman. The "Bend Over For The Soap" idea and prison came to mind to me.
I'd rather go to death row & have a cell alone, then be "Big Bubba's" girlfriend!

Frank

:blush:

kirei_na_me
26-07-04, 03:10
Yeah, ever seen the movie Deliverance?

Frank D. White
26-07-04, 03:22
let go of my ear, that hurts!!OOOOWEEEEEEE that really hurts!!!

Frank

:D

Knives
26-07-04, 04:01
SQueal like a PIGGY
but anyways rape is a horrible thing that happens to people. I dont really know what to say if a man is raped by a women, i could understand the controverys of a man being raped by another man. but ive never heard of a man being raped by a women

chiquiliquis
26-07-04, 04:22
Well, there was a famous case not too long ago in Washington State of a J.H.S. teacher that was having sexual relations with one of her 13 year old students (a boy); I believe that was at the very least statutory rape... but I don't recall what charges were made against her. At the time of her arrest she was pregnant with his child, and claimed to be in love with him.

canadian_kor
26-07-04, 08:51
I think it is because there is the idea that males are the stronger of the sexes. That stronger people should not violate weaker people.

Mike Cash
26-07-04, 09:06
I think it is because there is the idea that males are the stronger of the sexes. That stronger people should not violate weaker people.

Let's be honest here. It's because:

In the case of a woman doing it, no one would believe it, and people would wonder what kind of guy would complain about it.

In the case of a man doing it, no straight guy wants to admit that some other guy forced his way on him, whether anally or orally.

Bounty Hunter
26-07-04, 12:03
I never even thought of rape by a woman. The "Bend Over For The Soap" idea and prison came to mind to me.
I'd rather go to death row & have a cell alone, then be "Big Bubba's" girlfriend!

Frank

:blush:

Big Bubba :D :D :D

TwistedMac
27-07-04, 01:18
I should watch out for this... what with my devilishly good looks and everything..

Arch
27-07-04, 01:23
lol just the notation of male rape makes me laugh all over the floor !!

:D :D

TwistedMac
27-07-04, 01:33
lets see how much you laugh when bubba tears you open or when some chick drugs you and gives you HIV.. it'll be a blast...

:relief: :(

Golgo_13
27-07-04, 04:22
Nice dinner table topic.

Bounty Hunter
28-07-04, 12:31
lets see how much you laugh when bubba tears you open or when some chick drugs you and gives you HIV.. it'll be a blast...

:relief: :(

He should get put in prison and the instance he hits the showers hes "FRESH MEAT".

then lets see whos laughing then. :D

Arch
28-07-04, 12:35
lets see how much you laugh when bubba tears you open or when some chick drugs you and gives you HIV.. it'll be a blast...

:relief: :(

:? :? errrr... go kill some pigeons !

Brooker
28-07-04, 12:40
chiquiliquis wrote....

Well, there was a famous case not too long ago in Washington State of a J.H.S. teacher that was having sexual relations with one of her 13 year old students (a boy); I believe that was at the very least statutory rape... but I don't recall what charges were made against her. At the time of her arrest she was pregnant with his child, and claimed to be in love with him.

Mary Kay Latourneau (sp?).
She's been in jail for years, but she's getting out soon. She actually managed to have two kids with the boy. His family also filed a civil suit against the school district.

At the time, I got mad at people who said in WASN'T rape because I knew they were only saying that because the perpetrator was a women (and a rather attractive one, actually), and that's such a double standard. If a male teacher impregnated a yound female student (twice!), even if it was consentual, there'd be hell to pay. I was glad she got jail time, because it was rape. It doesn't have to be forced for it to be rape.

Bounty Hunter
28-07-04, 13:14
:? :? errrr... go kill some pigeons !

am pretty sure that was surposed to be to me and you quoted the wrong person.

cause why would Mac shoot pigeons not that i do.


chiquiliquis wrote....


Mary Kay Latourneau (sp?).
She's been in jail for years, but she's getting out soon. She actually managed to have two kids with the boy. His family also filed a civil suit against the school district.

At the time, I got mad at people who said in WASN'T rape because I knew they were only saying that because the perpetrator was a women (and a rather attractive one, actually), and that's such a double standard. If a male teacher impregnated a yound female student (twice!), even if it was consentual, there'd be hell to pay. I was glad she got jail time, because it was rape. It doesn't have to be forced for it to be rape.

I think its so stupid when that happens.

Women want equal rights all the time so why not get the equal law side of it.

chiquiliquis
28-07-04, 15:35
If a male teacher impregnated a young female student (twice!), even if it was consentual, there'd be hell to pay. I was glad she got jail time, because it was rape. It doesn't have to be forced for it to be rape.

*hands brooker the "name that rapist" award for his excellent knowledge current events*

... ouch... that sounds worse than I mean for it too (no one take offense, plz).

But yeah... re: above... perhaps that is why I brought it up. The Latourneau case was one that made many of us reconsider our "classical" conceptions of rape. Not only was the perpetrater a woman, but her victim was underaged. Your comment about "had she been a man" is absolutely true--which ties into Hitman's statement. However, I'm don't recall Latourneau herself trying to dismiss responsibility on the basis of her sex; rather, she flat out claimed to be in love with the boy.

Do you know what came of the boy (Brooker, or anyone else)?

kirei_na_me
28-07-04, 15:47
Do you know what came of the boy (Brooker, or anyone else)?

He and his mother are raising those two children and the last I heard, he was waiting for Mary Kay to get out of prison so that they could resume their relationship. He claims he's still in love with her.

For those who don't know who we're talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

chiquiliquis
28-07-04, 16:09
He and his mother are raising those two children and the last I heard, he was waiting for Mary Kay to get out of prison so that they could resume their relationship. He claims he's still in love with her.

For those who don't know who we're talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

Wow... the affair even gets it's own encyclopedia entry... not to mention all the made for TV garbage...

But, the kid is what?--20 now?

With any rape victim I would expect there to be some long lasting (and very serious) effects... regardless of whether he consented, he was 13 at the time--that has to mean something.

I am curious to know, given that he is a man (now), if he has had access to the same resources and support that we normally would provide to female victims of rape. Or, rather... let me put it this way: how well is our society (or any, for that matter) equiped to deal with the anomily of "male-rape". What support, if any, is offered? Or is the traditional support system unable to accomodate these anomilies. I'm sure the boy was sent to a psychiatrist... but what did that count for, in the end?

Brooker
29-07-04, 22:40
chiquiliquis wrote....

*hands brooker the "name that rapist" award for his excellent knowledge current events*

What can I say, I work in TV news. I'm the media!! :mad:

he also wrote....

However, I'm don't recall Latourneau herself trying to dismiss responsibility on the basis of her sex; rather, she flat out claimed to be in love with the boy.

Yeah, I don't think Latourneau herself ever tried to get any special treatment because she was a woman, but people debating the subject seemed to. She STILL claims that she loves the guy, but that's the same defense a lot of child molesters make. Also, she was married and (I think) already had a few kids at the time of her first offense. Truly nuts. :nuts:

From what I hear, the boy is having a lot of difficulties raising the two kids *go figure*. I feel sorry for everyone involved (the boy, his parents, the TWO KIDS who have to live with this strange situation), except her, because it's a situation she created.

TimF
30-07-04, 05:37
This may be a little off the topic of the leturneo case but at this school close to where I used to live i knew this kid that was in a sport (football or soccer i cant remember which) and the guys from his team held him down and took turns rapeing him and beating him and then when he got home he shot himself beacuse he could not live with it. And someone also mentioned the services for someone that was raped by a women if they would be equal to that of a woman being raped by a man and i kew another kid that his aunt had raped him and then he got help and they had to put him in a group full of female rape victims beacuse his case was a rare one and the females mocked him and ridiculed him for what had happened to him telling him that "Your pain could noway be simular to a womans" and stuff of that sort the kid was an outcast of a therapy group i mean how mean is that! Anyway he quit going beacuse they harassed him too much and he dealt with it in individual therapy that costed him a fortune.

Golgo_13
30-07-04, 05:50
How awful.


If only people with perfectly functioning hands could control their sexual urges.

sbv0001
31-07-04, 19:09
@Arch, you only need to google a bit:

"Welcome to the world of Aids."

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=qw1080983341497B265
http://www.pottymouth.org/wetspot/wetspot084.html
http://www.ncweb.com/org/rapecrisis/malerape.html
http://www.menweb.org/throop/rape/studies/biblio.html

I really am covinced you would enjoy this scenario:
A sexy longhaared lady with big boobs sitting on you chest and playing around with her knife at your throat - while the others hold you down or enjoy themselves with your little friend?!?!
The dream of a man coming true???????

:-(

I think you would have better thought twice before going near your keyboard!!

TwistedMac
01-08-04, 11:20
am pretty sure that was surposed to be to me and you quoted the wrong person.

cause why would Mac shoot pigeons not that i do.

it's an msn conversation me and arch had :p and i wasnt supposed to shoot them, i was supposed to wring their necks


This may be a little off the topic of the leturneo case but at this school close to where I used to live i knew this kid that was in a sport (football or soccer i cant remember which) and the guys from his team held him down and took turns rapeing him and beating him and then when he got home he shot himself beacuse he could not live with it. And someone also mentioned the services for someone that was raped by a women if they would be equal to that of a woman being raped by a man and i kew another kid that his aunt had raped him and then he got help and they had to put him in a group full of female rape victims beacuse his case was a rare one and the females mocked him and ridiculed him for what had happened to him telling him that "Your pain could noway be simular to a womans" and stuff of that sort the kid was an outcast of a therapy group i mean how mean is that! Anyway he quit going beacuse they harassed him too much and he dealt with it in individual therapy that costed him a fortune.

.<--- behold the amazing dot!
paragraphs, use paragraphs tim... this is all one long text.
i somehow cant breathe in when i read it because it has no pauses.
poor kid though..

Arch
01-08-04, 14:01
@Arch, you only need to google a bit:

"Welcome to the world of Aids."

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=&art_id=qw1080983341497B265
http://www.pottymouth.org/wetspot/wetspot084.html
http://www.ncweb.com/org/rapecrisis/malerape.html
http://www.menweb.org/throop/rape/studies/biblio.html

I really am covinced you would enjoy this scenario:
A sexy longhaared lady with big boobs sitting on you chest and playing around with her knife at your throat - while the others hold you down or enjoy themselves with your little friend?!?!
The dream of a man coming true???????

:-(

I think you would have better thought twice before going near your keyboard!!

wtf are you on about ? if you dint relise already it was a joke. So dont be telling me this BS your saying now/

Frank D. White
01-08-04, 14:33
Remember the "MODS" are watching for heated collars and un-politeness. Sticks,stones, & misunderstandings can't hurt you; explain,explain, explain!

Uncle Frank

:blush:

RockLee
01-08-04, 14:49
I'm Admin's little helper hehe...I spy around for angry and heated ppl...no seriously...I don't think they need me at all..Jei has some kind of 6th sense for trouble :D ....whenever someone is being a burden..*POOF* he's there !!! :blush:

sbv0001
01-08-04, 15:20
@Arch
Tztztz....

Ok then. At least you´ve got a really rare sort of humour......

Arch
01-08-04, 16:08
Yes, but you dint relise what people were saying to me saying that i have AIDS ! oh yea thats really funny. The way some people treat me is disgraceful, really what have i ever done to cause any harm or offence to anyone on this forum. I tried to be as nice as possible to everyone, but alot of people just seem to have something against me.

Glenn
01-08-04, 22:20
Yes, but you dint relise what people were saying to me saying that i have AIDS ! oh yea thats really funny. The way some people treat me is disgraceful, really what have i ever done to cause any harm or offence to anyone on this forum. I tried to be as nice as possible to everyone, but alot of people just seem to have something against me.

Hmm, I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. No one said that you have AIDS.

By the way, you don't think that this statement had anything to do with it?


lol just the notation of male rape makes me laugh all over the floor !!

:D :D

Arch
01-08-04, 23:33
ok whatever, but i dont want people bringing this back up like sbv did. A simple joke, and people make out i was the only person who joked about it on this thread. IF you lokk through they is much more people making jokes. geez why i bother. I put it to rest here.

lol i think someone gave me a bed rep point, cos it was red ?? lol no comment and not even a name. Big hard man i see.

Brooker
04-08-04, 08:51
@Arch....
I gave you the negative rep point.

Mary Kay Latourneau is being released from prison this Wednesday morning.

Bounty Hunter
04-08-04, 10:12
This is like one of the worst places on the forum to be joking around.

Serious talk.

So if you don't have anything serious to say then don't say anything, its as simple as that.

Arch
04-08-04, 10:50
lol k... no need to start bringing up again.... hitman-X

Golgo_13
04-08-04, 20:09
Mary Kay Latourneau is being released from prison this Wednesday morning.

I wonder what would have happened if it had been a male teacher who impregnated a femal student.

For committing the same crime, females get off easier.

Brooker
06-08-04, 00:42
She got 7 years in jail. After her first sentencing, she met with the boy and got pregnant again and that lengthened her sentence. Perhaps a male would have gotten a longer sentence, I don't know.

byp
06-08-04, 10:26
Someone could be slipped certain blue pills too, I guess.
blue pills are out, they are not efficient enough, take too long to act / react, and as it is said, the men would have enough time to flee if he did not agree to be "raped".
There are much better solutions, some are certain drugs easilly bought (carefull...!!! not all or just anything) that will have a most relaxing effect, a little bit like wine without dizzyness or headaches, that will put one's mind so much in confidence, then it's up to the girl to be persuasive and if a woman really WANTS TO rape a man in this condition, she will be in good mood to do things ( like use every part of her body) that will have terrific reaction on the male's body.
nothing to it.

Now, as for a woman raping a man without chemicals or external help, if the guy dont agree, I see it as extremely difficult, even impossible. Since 80% of a man's "hard manhood" comes from the head, if the head says no, the results could be extremely disappointing for the lady (if we can call a female rapist a lady...). One can argue that oral stimulation (or other expert stimulation) can do wonders. This is partly true and / or will be true to younger ones in their teens, but not so much to UNWILLING (and I strongly stress this word) adults since MIND OVER "MATTER" will dictate the rules ! However if she succeeds, that mean the guy is partly willing and in that case it's not rape anymore...
so for the judges, it's a bit difficult to say...
now if I find myself with say 6 or 7 J-girls, all wanting to rape me ( what ? oh, yes, I DO have extremely wild dreams....) I would tend to agree... So much for rape....

Brooker
07-08-04, 22:49
byp wrote....

However if she succeeds, that mean the guy is partly willing and in that case it's not rape anymore...

This is a very dangerous point to make because many male rapists make this claim about their victims, "After a while she stopped struggling and seemed to enjoy it, so it wasn't rape." I don't buy that at all.

Winter
07-08-04, 23:22
I think you were talking about an erection, byp?

Well, mind over matter is one thing, but the penis will become erect from stimulation usually despite the emotional state of the male. Its why men can be raped during unconciousness.

All you need is a heart rate.

byp
08-08-04, 08:23
byp wrote....


This is a very dangerous point to make because many male rapists make this claim about their victims, "After a while she stopped struggling and seemed to enjoy it, so it wasn't rape." I don't buy that at all.
it's just as good that you don't buy it, 'cause I have nothing to sell. if you read carefully, and if you think of the difference (basic & fondamental), one cannot compare women and men rape. a woman can be completely and 100% unwilling and still be raped because of the physical disposition. But rape is NOT only a matter of penetration. Depending of the countries the definition of rape will vary greatly. **
I will not go into a description, but just try to visualize both ways.
but I understand what you mean, still i do not think it's right. A good judge will not stop at the otion of pleasure, and even less at the notion that the woman, at one stage stopped to fight or resist. A good judge will never take a rapist's words and believe that the victim had pleasure.

** in some coutries a woman can be raped and it will not be considered as such, because she had to obey to the male. If the same woman in that same country only slightly touches a male's genitals, she could be amputated of her hand, or even lapidated to death.
we live in a strange world. Brooker.

MagnusAurelius
01-03-17, 19:40
Most men enjoy it if a woman initiates sexual things with them, only beta males get scared.