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Legato
18-09-04, 08:57
I'm not sure about the proper names of all the different types of government so I will describe each one, briefly.
democratic republic: The kind present in most develloped, European countries and North America, meaning a government lead by a president and/or prime minister and elected by universal suffrage. Most freedom.
democratic monarchy: Same as above except that a Royal person is at the head of the government but with no real power so the prime minister or equivalent leads the gov't
absolute monarchy: old fashioned style, like Louis XIV, son of God meant to rule all people of France alone with the right of death... etc. No freedom
military dictatorship: One man at the head of the gov't, using military forces and fear to control the masses, like communist USSR or many of the Latin America's countries. very limited freedom
theocracy: Gov't based on religious writings. The holy book dictates the laws and morals and the highest figure among the chosen ones is to make sure the laws are respected. Freedom depends on how much faith you have.
anarchy: NO God, No law, No Gov't
democratic dictatorship: Special one, one man leads the people and has absolute power, but he is chosen by the people and can be stopped by the people. They believe it's for their own good. Freedom depends on the man at the head of the government.
other: If you have any suggestions...
I choose the democratic dictatorship because I believe that not all humans want freedom, there are things they desire more like security. I fyou give them enough to have an easy life they will be satisfied. Handling freedom requires a lot of education so people who reach that level would be wise enough to handle it with care and therefore would be free.

lineartube
18-09-04, 10:21
You could add Revolutionary, Transitional , Federal... oh, why complicate things?

I prefer a Socialist Democracy, where some aspects of socialism are kept (like free Education and Healthcare) and yet there can be multiple parties and people can vote on their politicians, even if indirectly. Capitalism is the engine of the world so of course it is practiced and regulated.

Though I am still waiting for that E-Government v2.0 that will allow me to vote directly in every issue :D Now that would be a populist government :D

blessed
18-09-04, 10:45
my wn persona "fave" would be a "marxist anarchy"... what you achive in marxist communism, but that will never happen, so I'm happy with a morally left wing and economically right wing democracy.

Frank D. White
18-09-04, 14:59
the one I have now, but without Bush. If we could just find some men like Washington, jefferson,Lincoln to run the carpetbaggers out of Congress & put some honest ones in to run things.Seems like the only drive behind being in politics today is money & fame; not love of country or it's people. To bad we can't bring back the good ol days & simpler times? Things are very complicated in today's world, but we do have a pretty good standard of living for some. I don't see any big changes coming down the road, just have to wait & see.

Frank

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Lina Inverse
18-09-04, 16:42
I prefer a liberalist democracy. People should have as much liberties as possible.
Essential aspects (Health care, education) should be provided by the gov't, but other non-essential aspects (cultural events etc.) should be privatized so the gov't has enough money for the essential things.

bossel
19-09-04, 03:10
Voted "other". In my heart I'm a Libertarian, but my mind says that mankind is not able to live in an anarchy (peacefully, at least). Hence I have to go for some kind of democracy, because this seems most reasonable. Yet I would like to see a lean government, fulfilling just the absolute necessary tasks, as providing security, impartial justice a.s.o.
Call me a minarchist!

Legato
19-09-04, 07:43
Voted "other". In my heart I'm a Libertarian, but my mind says that mankind is not able to live in an anarchy (peacefully, at least). Hence I have to go for some kind of democracy, because this seems most reasonable. Yet I would like to see a lean government, fulfilling just the absolute necessary tasks, as providing security, impartial justice a.s.o.
Call me a minarchist!

Actually you are describing capitalism in its purest form even if you didn't mean to. Capitalism was meant to have a very limited government, a government which main task would be things like national security and minimal harmony like control over the currency and laws but beside that everything is up to the individual. I doubt that this was what you were thinking about but it is, nonetheless, a democratic system with maximum freedom, therefore if you are deep in trouble there is no one to complain to, that's the price to pay.

mad pierrot
19-09-04, 09:12
The world needs an enlightened, benevolent dictator.

blessed
19-09-04, 12:07
The world needs an enlightened, benevolent dictator.

that too, lets bring solon back from the dead... not really a dictator, but he did basically rule Athens himself for a few years. did a decent job too, so we could make him dictator...:D

bossel
20-09-04, 00:04
Actually you are describing capitalism in its purest form even if you didn't mean to. Capitalism was meant to have a very limited government, a government which main task would be things like national security and minimal harmony like control over the currency and laws but beside that everything is up to the individual. I doubt that this was what you were thinking about but it is, nonetheless, a democratic system with maximum freedom, therefore if you are deep in trouble there is no one to complain to, that's the price to pay.
Yep, I'm a capitalist. Definitely.
But capitalism in its purest form? Don't think so. Maybe that depends on the definition of capitalism.
As I said, I see the government still fulfilling some basic tasks. One of those would be to secure that people are not exploited. Manchester capitalism (which I somehow associate with "pure" capitalism) was a form of society in which the government actually supported industrialists in exploiting the masses. I would not want to see that again.

Legato
20-09-04, 02:00
Can't you delete a post?

Legato
20-09-04, 02:03
Well, what I meant by pure capitalism is the one described by Adam smith, so the government would never be involved with the industry or the industrialist but if the government starts protecting some people, even if it's fair, it wouldn't be pure either; by the way there has never been a government which embrassed pure capitalism in recent times, not that I know of.

Miss_apollo7
21-09-04, 10:58
I prefer representative democracy...

[so far, few has voted anarchy entirely ]
Do you think anyone in here wants anarchy totally, and believe in it for sure? Will anarchy not lead to oligarchy, or dictatorship, because always someone will take over power, because the powerful people can have more influence??

BTW: Oligarchy is not mentioned. (a small group have power)

Legato
21-09-04, 12:07
True that I forgot oligarchies, I somehow assiociated them with dictatorships or other totalitarian gov'ts since they are not always represented by one man alone.
As for anarchy, I'm glad not too many people chose it, if you think rationnaly it's easy to think it's a a truly impossible way to live. No rules therefore nature's laws prevail, survival of the strongest, so in the end there is always someone at the head, but since it's chaos there will always be someone to take the head down, so no stability. Anarchy, unlike one might think, has no freedom and if someone can prove me wrong I will welcome his/her argument, however just look at Somalia it's currently the only anarchy (I think so at least), is it enviable? There has been civil wars ever since it was free...
Please give your opinion, not only on the type of gov't but also how do you think it could or should be improved, flaws and advantages, type of economy... :clueless:

Harold938
19-12-06, 04:18
I'm irish & scottish american born

i care are my friend and family but also i take great pride of where my parent came from "ireland" and in my 20 time going your country and i hope that i can move there in the near future

i have 2 sister that dont care about there heritage and cilitation of ireland

"that being said i must bring this up"

i dont pay attention to american "so-call" value system that everytime that idiot president " george boozer " does something that hold will get "deeper and deeper " and right now that hold is about half way to hell

and let me bring something that i must meantion but too all european country i urge you dont follow in to our idiot president mistake dont follow "england" for helping out the texas boozer and they are also diggin a hole themself " i did onetime fell sorry for england but now they can meet america in hell "

and i must make another point the EU should not allow Turkey to be part of the EU state this country is a rogue terrorist state that preach evil and bigotry to eastern state and also a security threat

The EU should not allow state that support terrorist and helping terrorist

Aristander
21-07-10, 04:55
I think the best form of government for me would be an absolute monarchy, with me as king of the world. :laughing:

Rastko Pocesta
28-04-11, 17:52
Democratic republic.

Riccardo
01-05-11, 18:41
I think many forms of government are missing here...But surely, democratic republic!

Reinaert
01-05-11, 23:30
I'd prefer a communalist democratic republic.

A road between communism and capitalism, because both of them are evil.

I think communalism is real Christianity.

Mzungu mchagga
03-07-11, 22:08
A benevolent, care-giving, racial/religious/sexual tolerant, economical liberal and ecological sustainable, scientific and educational supporting... DICTATORSHIP! :grin:

Mzungu mchagga
03-07-11, 22:21
Seriously, I think there is nothing such as an ideal form of government. Some forms which work in certain societies at certain times wouldn't work in other societies in different times with totally different living conditions.

Depending on natural environment, like landscapes, abundance of water, animals, plants and other resources, even hunter-gatherer societies are or were not all organized in the same way. This can even have effect on sexual behavior like mono- or polygamy. Human kind has always been quite diverse in it's appearances, and depicting something as artificial or unnatural seems a little self-constructed to me.

iapetoc
03-07-11, 22:34
I vote other cause I believe in referendums

samantha89
04-07-11, 14:40
I don't believe in an ideal government.

But a liberal democracy, where anyone is replaceable as soon as people realize they are not working in favor of them would be as close to ideal as possible I guess.

Liberal all the way, we each can make our choices as long as we do not hurt someone else - thats my 0.2.

Sprinkles
06-07-11, 04:55
Only an idiot would believe in democracy. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Good luck, idiots.

iapetoc
06-07-11, 05:19
Only an idiot would believe in democracy. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Good luck, idiots.


Only an idiot will say such thinks,

2 wolfs and a sheep are not a group of same things,
it is nature will to follow,
bullshit thoughts,

if you believe according the society of humans as a society of animals,
then better start cannibalism, cause if I believe it also then I might bite you first.

and let me inform you something,

make 1 wolf bleed, the sheep is free,
cause wolf first attacks bleeding wolf and leaves the sheep,

that is people wisdom,
if the donkey hit 1 wolf first, then donkey leaves as winner cause wolfs attack the bleeding wolf

I know cause my grand pa was hunter,
and always tell that story, as advise,
make first 1 wolf to bleed.

Sprinkles
06-07-11, 05:41
Only an idiot will say such thinks,

2 wolfs and a sheep are not a group of same things,
it is nature will to follow,
bullshit thoughts,

if you believe according the society of humans as a society of animals,
then better start cannibalism, cause if I believe also then I might bite you first.

and let me inform you something,

make 1 wolf bleed, the sheep is free,
cause wolf first attacks bleeding wolf and leaves the sheep,

that is people wisdom,

if the donkey hit 1 wolf first, then donkey leaves as winner cause wolfs attack the bleeding wolf
Ok Greek. Guess too much Turk got to your brain.

Go read what your cousin, Plato, had to say about democracy.

You do realize that some people are smarter than others. Why would you let the stupid vote? If people are smarter than others their vote should count more than the others. Unless you believe stupid people can rule themselves. Then, if you accept this premise, go to Africa and live among the stupid.

Antigone
06-07-11, 06:45
Only an idiot would believe in democracy. Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Good luck, idiots.

Mmm, I suppose as you are obviously the font of all knowledge on the democratic system you should explain to all the uneducated idiots it's deficiencies and what would be the preferable system.

A couple of abusive and idiotic sentences don't make anything fact.

iapetoc
06-07-11, 07:36
Ok Greek. Guess too much Turk got to your brain.

Go read what your cousin, Plato, had to say about democracy.

You do realize that some people are smarter than others. Why would you let the stupid vote? If people are smarter than others their vote should count more than the others. Unless you believe stupid people can rule themselves. Then, if you accept this premise, go to Africa and live among the stupid.


first of all learn who is δημος, it is not every body.
the mistake of modern systems is after USA and new policies which were coorect to new world, but wrong to old world,

I agree with plato,
some people are not to vote.
BUT NEXT TO PLATO IS SOCRATES HIS TEACHER AND SPEECH ABOUT THE WEAK
ΥΠΕΡ ΑΔΥΝΑΤΟΥ
better read that also, why we give the weak the same right as the strong,
the difference is in the meaning of Demos which is not all all people, but only those who have risk about the municipal.

in ancient SPARTA VOTE HAD ONLY OMOIOI 'EQUALS' WHY?
cause only them risk their life for sparta.
understanding that then we realize who's vote is correct,

before every vote is the apella or eklissia in which all cases must be heard,
and after is the vote,
democracy is a 'terrible' system, why? cause every time the ruler must afraid of revolt and hang,
something that is not in today systems, cause politicians learn you that democracy is every 5 years when you vote,
while democracy is in every day life,
workers did not vote in ancient athens, not even in sparta, quess why?
in roman times people vote for bucket of wheat,
today we say the word democracy every election time, we allow workers to vote, but after we f...orget them and after 5 years we call them to vote again.
Drugs are illegal all over world, but why exist? cause in democracy of every 5 years people do not have control to eliminate them.
understanding that, then you understand the ostracism, and why modern democracies are not real,

democracy in ancient Sparta was only a case of soldiers, who risk life
while in athens included merchants and every one that give to city defend like hire army.

that means that in ancient primitive democracy only those who risk life, or a land, a house, or pay taxes must vote, for city defence
while in case of judge like Ηλιαια (pericles judge) all citizens including workers should vote,
and foreigners (μετοικοι)vote was not allowed, while they were under protection of Gods and priest, and had only the freedom of speech
today we make citizen a foreigner in 4-5 years, while in ancient times needed a life time or his son or grand son was to become,

democracy in Ancient Sparta was like poor patrician affair WHO HAD NO LAND, and take about 4000 m2 when retired from omoioi, which was given back to state after their death
while in Athens was half patrician half plevean πληβειοι.

Democracy is the first case of clear different cases

others about judge, others about laws, others about military etc,
instead of απολυταρχεια (absolute) in which army judge laws was after 1 person.

when Plato speaks about democracy of Αριστοι means the same,
a soldier is not wise to vote about a workers law,
and a worker is not the correct to vote about the merchants law,

the stupidity today is that we have people wit 2-3 citizenshipsexample i have a EU passport, I have a USA passport, I have an Brazilian passportwhat am I and which country I serve with my vote?
that is not democracy that is a caricature of democracy.

moving votes,
as we have moving capitals we also have moving votes,
in greece we know that,
people that had 20-30 years to come to greece when election come, parties pay their tickets and bring them to vote, at least that was until 1996, after they vote in greek embassies,

so the vote of one who is 50 years abroad has the same weight with one who lives in country!!!!!
what a democracy!!!!!!

zanipolo
06-07-11, 09:14
I prefer a de-centralized regional government which is neither left or right in philosophy

LeBrok
10-08-11, 16:47
Smart and honest. :)

Michel Gilson
13-05-13, 18:01
A constitutional monarchy with the supremacy going to the monarch. A government where the monarch rules and not just reigns. The monarch would be bound by constitutional principles and could not rule only according to fiat.

Gurka atla
14-07-13, 09:23
I would prefer a government based on my principals.