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John Lemon
04-04-05, 22:17
I'm working on a play that is poking fun at the ancient Greek dramas everyone knows and loves, and I'd like to include a little wordplay. I have a "Greek for beginners" book and noticed that the words "amnestia" and "amnion" are pretty similar. :p
So exactly how would one say "amnion of forgetting"? Exactly how do the words need to be inflected? Thanks a lot in advance. :wave:

lexico
06-04-05, 11:52
I'm working on a play that is poking fun at the ancient Greek dramas everyone knows and loves, and I'd like to include a little wordplay.Sounds like an interesting project. In this particular case, which play would be involved ? I am highly tickled by your riddle, John. Can you tell, or are you not supposed to tell till the end of the play ?
I have a "Greek for beginners" book and noticed that the words "amnestia" and "amnion" are pretty similar. :pHere's from my Liddel & Scott's An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon 1975, Oxford, p.44;

amnesti'a, he (fem.) forgetfulness of wrong, an amnesty (Plutarch)

amni'on, to' (neut.) a bowl in which the blood of victims was caught, Od. (Derivation uncertain)
So exactly how would one say "amnion of forgetting"? Exactly how do the words need to be inflected? Thanks a lot in advance. :wave:"amnion of amnestia" would have the construction, "amni'on" (In which case will it be used ? Just the singular nominative case ?) + the genetive of "amnest'ia." (number is singular or plural ?) Could you please verify the number & case of amnion you want ? Or do you want the whole paradigm in all cases, singular and plural ?

Or does your "amnion of forgetting" want to have the verbal noun, the infinitive, of

amneemone'oo 1) to be unmindful, 2) to make no mention of, not to speak of ?

John Lemon
07-04-05, 13:22
You did it again, lexico, thanks a lot. :D

By the way, according to the dictionary I have, an amnion is something closer to this:


am·ni·on ( ăm ' nē-ən, -ŏn ' ) n. , pl. -ni·ons or -ni·a ( -nē-ə ). A thin, tough,
membranous sac that encloses the embryo or fetus of a mammal

By the way, I just need the singular, there's only a single "amnion of amnestia".

lexico
07-04-05, 19:18
By the way, according to the dictionary I have, an amnion is something closer to this:
am·ni·on ( ăm ' nē-ən, -ŏn ' ) n. , pl. -ni·ons or -ni·a ( -nē-ə ). A thin, tough, membranous sac that encloses the embryo or fetus of a mammal The mother of all Greek-English lexicon Liddel & Scott's, 10th ed., 1990, p.84 indeed lists your definition as 2. inner membrane round the foetus, Emp.71; cf. amneio's, a'mnios (masc.), amnei^on. These seem to be synonymous variants ^^;
the singular (amni'on, of anmesti'a), there's only a single "amnion of amnestia".Here we go, John. The genetive singular of amnesti'a (feminine) would be (tee~s) amnesti'aas, "of (the) forgetting." Amni'on (neuter) in the 5 cases singular is

1) Nom. S. to' amni'on
2) Gen. S. tou~ amni'ou
3) Dat. S. twi~ amni'wi (wi for o-mega with iota subscript)
4) Acc. S. to' amni'on
5) Voc. S. to' amni'on

There are three ways to combine (article1) amni'on & (article2) amnesti'a all meaning "the amni'on of the amnseti'a."

1. (article1) (article2) amnesti'a amni'on
2. (article1) amni'on (article1) (article2) amnesti'a
3. amni'on (article1) (article2) amnesti'a

1. the article1+article2+(of amnesti'a)+amni'on would give;

1-1) Nom. S. to' tee~s amnesti'aas amni'on
1-2) Gen. S. tou~ tee~s amnesti'aas amni'ou
1-3) Dat. S. twi~ tee~s amnesti'aas amni'wi
1-4) Acc. S. to' tee~s amnesti'aas amni'on
1-5) Voc. S. to' tee~s amnesti'aas amni'on
2. as for 2. & 3., switch around the words in the order defined. :wave:
(Yes, article1 is reduplicated in 2.; a redundant feature of Classical Greek.)