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Miss_apollo7
13-04-05, 21:00
Hiya!
I know that there are many Japanese-language learners here, however, I am curious if you ever thought about learning another, new, language.
If you had the time to learn a new language, which should it be and why?
Note: (no "brush-up" of a language you have already received lessons in, but it should be a completely new language for you). :wave:

Dream Time
13-04-05, 21:28
Spanish, Japanese and maybe Italian

because i appreciate their cultures

Mike Cash
13-04-05, 21:34
Portuguese. It would come in very handy in Japan. (Really)

misa.j
14-04-05, 00:22
It would be French or Spanish as they are widely spoken in many countries, and also I really like how French sounds.

Ma Cherie
14-04-05, 00:31
I want to go back to studying French again, because I forgot most it from high school. :blush:

lexico
14-04-05, 00:31
I want to learn Chukchi so I can talk about salmon with the Chukchas. :clap:

Dutch Baka
14-04-05, 01:00
nice thread,

i geuss i would like to studie Swedish, becaus i have a ex-swedish girl, and and she teached me some, i think the lang is interesting ( and bit funny, sorry you swedish guys/girls up here, no offence)

i wouldnt like to learn Old english,,, hehehe...

RockLee
14-04-05, 01:56
Chinese (Mandarin)...Although Japanese will be sufficient for now :bluush:

Miss_apollo7
14-04-05, 20:12
Oh! I just realised that I forgot to answer this very question myself!! :blush:
Well, if/when I have time, I'd love to learn ITALIAN!!! :cool:
Why? Well, it is one of the most beautiful languages in my opinion, and I today regret that I took French in high school instead, and not Italian...
However, a good thing of course is that my French can come in useful when learning Italian because it's Roman/Latin. :relief:

Mycernius
14-04-05, 22:55
Old English, but finding some else to talk to could be difficult. I could then read Beowulf and Canterbury tales in the original text. Might give me an insight into Northern European languages as well. Mind you I am not a good language learner, it takes time and I can be impatient. :okashii:

Glenn
14-04-05, 23:01
I'd like to learn Mandarin Chinese next, because it seems that it will be a good language to know in the coming years.


Old English, but finding some else to talk to could be difficult. I could then read Beowulf and Canterbury tales in the original text.

The Canterbury Tales was written by Chaucer, and it's in Middle English.

lexico
14-04-05, 23:07
I'd like to learn Mandarin Chinese next, because it seems that it will be a good language to know in the coming years. I was under the impression that you had already learned the language... Your grammar description of Mandarin was superb ... so...:? Are you sure you weren't thinking Cantonese but wrote Mandarin instead ? :D
The Canterbury Tales was written by Chaucer, and it's in Middle English.Does that mean OE & ME are very different to the point that a speaker of OE would not be able to grasp ME with relative ease ? :?

Glenn
14-04-05, 23:32
I was under the impression that you had already learned the language... Your grammar description of Mandarin was superb ... so...:? Are you sure you weren't thinking Cantonese but wrote Mandarin instead ? :D

I've learned some of the basics and done some reading about the grammar, but I haven't actually learned the language. That is, I couldn't use it practically.


Does that mean OE & ME are very different to the point that a speaker of OE would not be able to grasp ME with relative ease ? :?

They're pretty different orthographically, and I think by the time of ME the language had lost a lot of inflection.

Here is an example of OE (http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~beowulf/main.html) (from Chapter XIV of Beowulf).

Here is an example of ME (from The Canterbury Tales):


And smale foules maken melodie,
That slepen alle night with open eye,
So priketh hem nature in hir corages;
Than longen folk to gon on pilgrimages

Also, here (http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/pronunciation/) is a page that allows you to look at vocabulary of ME and hear how they pronounced it. It's pretty cool stuff. :cool:

Elizabeth
15-04-05, 00:21
It would be French or Spanish as they are widely spoken in many countries, and also I really like how French sounds.
I'd like to refresh my Spanish for those reasons as well.....some form of Chinese would be a natural transition from Japanese but I find it extremely aesthetically unappealing (both written and spoken), unfortunately. Ah, well, the Spanish is mostly on when there's someone to practice with.... :relief:

Dutch Baka
15-04-05, 00:26
Old English, but finding some else to talk to could be difficult. I could then read Beowulf and Canterbury tales in the original text. Might give me an insight into Northern European languages as well. Mind you I am not a good language learner, it takes time and I can be impatient. :okashii:

i know some girl who understand and talk it... i can hook you UP :relief:

Glenn
15-04-05, 00:50
I'd like to refresh my Spanish for those reasons as well.....some form of Chinese would be a natural transition from Japanese but I find it extremely aesthetically unappealing (both written and spoken), unfortunately. Ah, well, the Spanish is mostly on when there's someone to practice with.... :relief:

I'm the opposite: I find Mandarin Chinese to be a beautiful spoken language. I'd also like to add Korean to my list. It couldn't hurt, right? ;-) Anyway, it seems that I'd just have to learn new phonemes and morphemes, new vocabulary, and a new version of phonetic writing and I'd be set; I understand the grammar is pretty similar to Japanese. Pretty simple, eh? :D

Elizabeth
15-04-05, 03:23
I'm the opposite: I find Mandarin Chinese to be a beautiful spoken language. I'd also like to add Korean to my list. It couldn't hurt, right? ;-) Anyway, it seems that I'd just have to learn new phonemes and morphemes, new vocabulary, and a new version of phonetic writing and I'd be set; I understand the grammar is pretty similar to Japanese. Pretty simple, eh? :D
A solid working knowledge of the alphabet shouldn't take more than a day or two....two-three months (conservatively) for a Japanese learner to understand basic basic grammar and sentences. And only 2-3 years to master general Korean magazines and newspapers ? For anyone more interested in the culture than I am, this has to be more logical and efficient than any other East Asian language. :bluush:

Kirisame
15-04-05, 06:28
A new language that I want to learn..sou desu ne.. probably something to do with languages like bahasa indonesia, malay or arabic.

To befriend people of different cultures and beliefs...etc :wave:

sgt. Pepper
17-04-05, 22:49
nice thread,

i geuss i would like to studie Swedish, becaus i have a ex-swedish girl, and and she teached me some, i think the lang is interesting ( and bit funny, sorry you swedish guys/girls up here, no offence)

i wouldnt like to learn Old english,,, hehehe...

Funny how? I'm not offended, just curious.


I would like to learn Russian och German, i've taken some German and will countinue learning it after the summer, but i doubt that i will ever be able to speak it.

Sensuikan San
18-04-05, 02:53
I really would like to learn Irish - for cultural/ancestral reasons - and I have tried !

But it was so bloody hard, I ended up chucking my books at the wall !

I'd also (curiously) like to look at Punjabi - I know nothing about the languages of India, and would like to surprise one or two of the guys who work at our place ! (I have the deep suspicion that I might be pleasantly surprised and interested).

ジョン

Dutch Baka
18-04-05, 08:21
hehe, date with an irish girl i would say sensuikan san....

lexico
18-04-05, 09:33
Are you also suggesting that's how languages attract, talk, court, propose, wed, mate, and breed, and thus converge, merge, or spread, dutch baka ......

eastsidefunksta
18-04-05, 11:09
japanese would be a new language for me...so i'd like to learn that

Zauriel
18-04-05, 19:38
I always wanted to learn Navajo Indian language because I heard it was used as basis of the CodeTalker for the U.S. marine corps.

I have wanted to study some Philippine languages such as Ilocano, Cebuano, Bisayan, Bicolano, Pampangano, etc so I'd compare them with Tagalog.

I also wanted to study Dutch, Portuguese, and Arabic.

I am interested in Chinese because I am an ethnic Chinese.

I always wanted to try an African language like Swahili.

Mycernius
18-04-05, 19:39
The Canterbury Tales was written by Chaucer, and it's in Middle English.
Picky, picky. Then I'll try middle English for that :-)

Dutch Baka
18-04-05, 20:20
Are you also suggesting that's how languages attract, talk, court, propose, wed, mate, and breed, and thus converge, merge, or spread, dutch baka ......


... i dont understand this so good..... sorry lex

well when you want to learn a language, its easy to find somebody who you can talk with a lot, you can find friends, but with friends you wont talk that much... with a girlfriend you will talk a lott, and can learn easyer.

.... grrrrr...

... i think everybody know this already :souka:

phantasmagoria
18-04-05, 22:55
I want to learn Italian, both because I'm going there in the summer (and I hate going to places that speak another language and can't speak any of it, it's ignorant and makes me feel bad), because it sounds beautiful to me and because I'm a Lacuna Coil fan and some of their songs are in Italian (since it's their native language)

Shas
18-04-05, 23:25
im half polish and i cant speak polish and that's a shame! somebody told me that a russian would be able to understand polish because the languages are so close to each other? i dont know if i wanna learn polish (same alphabet (no cyryllic stuff), my 'native' language) or russian (many people talk it)

i can practice both by talking to my mum because she talks both so what do you recommend?

lexico
19-04-05, 00:42
im half polish and i cant speak polish and that's a shame! somebody told me that a russian would be able to understand polish because the languages are so close to each other? i dont know if i wanna learn polish (same alphabet (no cyryllic stuff), my 'native' language) or russian (many people talk it)

i can practice both by talking to my mum because she talks both so what do you recommend?How wonderful it is to have a Polish mother who also speaks the language ! Who also speaks another Slavic language !
Instinctively I would say go with your mother's mother tongue. Another thought would be to ask which language she loves best; in that language that your mother loves, everything would come alive for you. Whther the alphabet is Roman or Cyrillic really isn't a big issue. Within days, you should be able to get used to even Cyrillic, and using the Roman alphabet doesn't make it any easier with the new Polish sounds in my opinion. Yet another thought is your idea of blood-obligation. It sounds like your Polish heritage is something that you value, and is something that you are proud of in a good way.

To keep it short (already too wordy, I know) just talk to your mother, and get her opinion since she's the one to guide you, feed you all those lovely words that will help your language part of the brain grow. :-)

Sensuikan San
19-04-05, 06:19
hehe, date with an irish girl i would say sensuikan san....

Have you seen Irish (Or English, American, German, French ... even Dutch...)"girls" of my age "Dutch Baka" ?

You Bad !

(That'll get a response from the ladies .... !)

Regards,

ジョン

lexico
19-04-05, 08:55
... i dont understand this so good..... sorry lex

well when you want to learn a language, its easy to find somebody who you can talk with a lot, you can find friends, but with friends you wont talk that much... with a girlfriend you will talk a lott, and can learn easyer.

.... grrrrr...

... i think everybody know this already :souka: I was just kidding you because that was one idea that a lot, I mean a lot of people were saying. I never had trouble understanding it, so don't worry; I wasn't too serious, just pulling your leg as you were pulling Sensuikan-san's.

At the same time, anthropologists would talk about daughters in tribal societies being exchanged to maintain social bonds, so I was also making a little fun of that sexist idea. If that theory has any historical substance, inter-clan, inter-tribal marriages may well have contributed to the development of cultures & societies (example: knowledge of fire, agriculture, cooking, medicinal herbs, folk-lore, & even translation ?) in prehistorical & historical times.

Another idea that I was entertaining was the analogy of languages and species. Langauges in history evolve, split, and become two different languages after separation. So does species. The only difference is that langauges can borrow words, sound habits, grammatical habits from a neighboring or domineering language. That seldom happens in a species.

Also some living things have sexuality, increasing in number of individuals by sexually reproducing. What can be found in languages that parallels sexuality ? Therefore I posed a riddle to think about "langauges having a sexual relationship." Funny idea, I admit. There are so many interesting things about languages that I don't know, and this little truism in langauge learning of yours gave me something to think about. For the interesting idea, a :balloon: for you.

Mycernius
19-04-05, 17:35
I want to learn Italian, both because I'm going there in the summer (and I hate going to places that speak another language and can't speak any of it, it's ignorant and makes me feel bad), because it sounds beautiful to me and because I'm a Lacuna Coil fan and some of their songs are in Italian (since it's their native language)
How about learning your native Scots Gaelic? There are various plans to try to revive it the way Welsh has in Wales.

Sensuikan San
21-04-05, 06:07
How about learning your native Scots Gaelic? There are various plans to try to revive it the way Welsh has in Wales.

That surprises me - although I've been out of the UK for many years, I always thought that the Gaelic was "alive and well" - particularly in the Western Isles.

I even have a personal friend, here in Canada, (...hailing from the Hebrides) who's first language is Gaelic... !

Regards,

ジョン

quiet sunshine
21-04-05, 06:48
I would like to choose Korean, cause:
1. I have two Korean friends, learning a little Korean would be interesting
2. China, Korea, Japan, are in the same cultural circle so I'd like to know more about the other two countries.

Shuujin
22-04-05, 15:05
Tounges. I've forgotten it. J/K. Chinese. Global economic takeover estimated within 20 years.

Miss_apollo7
22-04-05, 17:53
I want to learn Chukchi so I can talk about salmon with the Chukchas. :clap:

what does Chukchi look like? Is it a friend you have....:D :D

Dutch Baka
22-04-05, 18:02
i would like to learn also Maori!!!!

link (http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/english/index.shtml)

-Rudel-
22-04-05, 19:32
Russian, and Klingon. hehehehehe.

Both challenging and have crylic letters.

marcus314
27-04-05, 05:26
I would take German, because I (maybe it's just me) find that it sounds similar to Cantonese, which is my mother tongue.

And I am already learning French and Japanese.