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Maciamo
01-05-05, 08:26
After Japanese contributions (http://www.wa-pedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16125) and Belgian contributions (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16861), here come the Dutch contributions to the world.

The most notable Dutch inventions can be found here (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16138).

mad pierrot
01-05-05, 14:20
beer, cheese, and New York. In that order.

Miss_apollo7
01-05-05, 18:13
Liberal law, paintings and gouda cheese....I love gouda cheese!!!

Duo
01-05-05, 18:26
liberal law, art, technology and also their great inventiveness in altering and manipulating their unfavorable land condition into their benefit. Great great engenering

MasterGeek
01-05-05, 18:34
Microscope and telescope
Pendulum clock
Mercury thermometer
Electronic media (audio tape, video tape, CD, CD-ROM)


haha, everything scientific is on top of my list, worst contribution would be heineken...

joel.lindgren
01-05-05, 23:14
Their cannabis legislation, nothing is of more importance.

Meiki
02-05-05, 00:17
I don't think New York would have become New York if it was still in Dutch Hands.

Meiki
02-05-05, 00:19
Van Gogh was inspired by japanese painting or woodblocks, something like that.

The scientific inventions are a great contribution.

Dutch Baka
02-05-05, 00:33
Waaa im soo happy about this, thank you verry much !!!!!!!!!

well HEINEKEN for sure, if you see how big they are in the world!!!!!

cheese, yes i tasted australian cheese.. ( sorry guys) that was not nice.. we make nice cheese....

another thing that i miss is the water works.. the way we use water, making land, dams, etc etc... is amazing, as we will see the water rise because of the polar,,, you will see this things will be getting more important to the world!!!!

so this is the future contribution!!!

still i dont understand why we change NY , for surimane..( ... )


also our law, with canabis, is great.. i have never seen problems in amsterdam because of weed... ( of course we have with hard-drugs that is not legal..... well... some kind of xtc you can buy at the comercial party's here... Wierd)

but i think other countrys have much more problems because it is forbitten , then we have with it!!!! i think tourisme in amsterdam went up a lot.. ( just to many coffee shops around 800 in whole amsterdam...)

Dutch Baka
02-05-05, 00:36
haha, everything scientific is on top of my list, worst contribution would be heineken...


why is heineken the worst??? they are still growing in the world.. as i know ( please tell me if i say wrong) they are the second biggest beer brewer in the world after budweizer..... i can see heineken everywhere in the world... at world party's , sport games, even in movie's!!!!!

so why is it the worst???

Maciamo
02-05-05, 05:43
Van Gogh was inspired by japanese painting or woodblocks, something like that.

Don't see much similarity between Van Gogh and Ukiyoe (wood-block paintings). Anyway, the Japanese did not paint Van Gogh's works. ;-)

DarkGhost
11-05-05, 04:41
Gouda cheese. :-)

Sensuikan San
11-05-05, 05:39
Well ... it certainly wasn't Gin ! Possibly the only drink I positively loathe ! And England, too, lays claim to it. But I still can't even stand the smell !

Van Gogh ?

In my opinion, the Dutch have made great contributions to the visual arts. The Dutch masters were just that - masters !

But why all the fuss about Van Gogh ? I always see him as one of the most overrated painters of all time ! He was psychologically disturbed (why else would you lop off an ear ... ?), a drunkard/drug addict (he ate his paints - cadmium is particularly nasty ...), and had the kindest, most concerned brother in the world (who seemed to spend his life writing out checks for Vincent ...).

Which would all be fine .... if I actually liked his work !

Dali was odd, too - but his work is superbly executed. Nearly all of the French Impressionists liked their absinthe from time to time (sometimes to excess..) - but just look at their pieces. Jackson Pollock was .... well, a little strange from time to time ... but - his work was original, not derivative.

"Sunflowers" ... is a pretty boring little painting !

Better to look at Vermeer, Rembrandt (...particularly Rembrandt...), Franz Hals ... or even Van Meegeren !

........am I ranting and getting "off - topic" .....?

I suspect I am .... so .... great Dutch contributions ....?

Civil Engineering - dyke construction and land reclamation.

(I used to live in England .... three feet below sea level.)

Thank God for the Dutch !

Regards

ジョン

Mycernius
21-06-05, 18:53
There is one Dutch contribution to the world I wish they had never made. GATSO, better known as the speed camera. These little parasites have sprung up all over the place in the UK, ever since the government have said the police can use the revenue generated from them for themselves. Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire and Staffordshire police seem to have fallen in love with the damn things. They are now refered to as revenue raisers in some areas, instead of speed or safety cameras. :okashii:

Dutch Baka
21-06-05, 19:04
that is dutch? wow didnt knew that.. sorry for that ... what most dutch ( angry) people always do is burn them!! hahaha

http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/000/124/928_1flitspaal150401.jpg

i dont think they are really that bad, just i think there on the bad positions... i mean on a straight way??? come on, put it before a corner or something.. when it is 3 in the night, and silent on the road. you dont want to drive 100km an hour...


Sensuikan [email protected] i agree with you, van gogh is boring ( i went to the museum , even my J-girl didnt liked it that much...) my fav painting would be the Night watch from Rembrandt then!!!! to bad they cut 2 pieces of on the side of it, because it didnt fit in a room!

the dykes are just amazing, after the 1953 water disaster the dutch builded special dams, and water constructions!! http://www.picturesofholland.nl/Deltaworks/DSC06690.JPG
for more photo's look here (http://www.picturesofholland.nl/Deltaworks/frameset.htm)
http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/muhfak/cevre/coastlearn-r/pp/images/maeslantkering.jpg

but about the land reclamation, and drying it.. let pieces of land go lower even more! its great, but if the -5 meter change to 9 meter under sea level.. we Maybe could have a problem!!!! btw.. off topic i love the Kansai airport!! they build an island for it.. and to dont let it go down, it has a lift up construction!!!
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/images/asia/jp/to_os_kansai-airport.jpg

Pararousia
05-09-05, 02:10
I voted for "other" because of the way the Dutch keep their land above water...the New Orleaners could take a lesson or two from them!

Tsuyoiko
05-09-05, 19:21
Good old Christian Huygens and Hans Lippershey get my vote. :cool:

advigilo
06-10-05, 17:22
? sorry about the last thingie.

anyways i live in zeeland (SEALAND), so we are like 2 meters below sea level, and still getting lower.... so i am very happy with those special dams :-)

best dutch contribution.. i cant choose...
but suriname was a great contribution, and perhaps HARLEM in the US?

advigilo
06-10-05, 17:24
about the flitsers<--- what is it called in english? in our town the most of the time bump it with a car so it falls down and doesnt work anymore. what is nederland toch vindingrijk :P

Dutch Baka
06-10-05, 20:01
? sorry about the last thingie.

anyways i live in zeeland (SEALAND), so we are like 2 meters below sea level, and still getting lower.... so i am very happy with those special dams :-)

best dutch contribution.. i cant choose...
but suriname was a great contribution, and perhaps HARLEM in the US?


mmm i dont know about this... i just cant understand why we changed new york(new amsterdam) for suriname... no hard feelings.... harlem, brooklyn, and i believe qeeuns to...

btw.. Zeeland is a nice place to live!!!!! i dont think of green .. but i live in amsterdam hahaha

X_Naruto
07-10-05, 01:51
Heineken!! My favourite!!!

Oh, and my aunt (by marriage) happens to be Dutch. ^^

yakutatazu
20-10-05, 16:48
ho-hum.
I was unaware of a dutch-dude having invented CD's...

Heineken, BTW, sucks. Try Hertog Jan or Grolsch.

AND!
MY FIRST GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO THIS FORUM WILL BE:
a guide to living in Holland. not my own writing.

"The main form of public transportation in Holland is bikes. Feel free to take any bike of which you are able to pick the lock. Don't expect your own bike however to be where you left it three minutes earlier. The hunting season for bikes is open 365 days a year. Have fun.

The Dutch are supposed to be tolerant. They are not. They simply make too much money from the sale of soft- and hard-drugs, Malaysian women and pornography to foreigners to let an opportunity for making a good profit go by.

It is not necessary to show an interest in tulips, windmills, wooden shoes or cheese. Every Dutch men knows that you came for the soft drugs or the Amsterdam red light district, the Walletjes. Both are available in a large quantity and are easy to find.

There is a fast and guaranteed way of making a complete fool of yourself in Holland: Enter a coffee shop and ask for a cappuccino. Coffee shops do not -remember this- do not sell coffee. You can however get a good number of other stimulating drugs there. For some unknown reason coffee shops are extremely popular with French tourists.

Dutch men do not like to spend money; they'd sooner cut off their own ears. A Dutch men will become a friend for life if you give him something for free.

The story that copper wire is an invention of two Dutch men fighting over a found cent is absolutely true

Dutch leave their curtains open in the evening. This used to be so that the neighbours could always check if your family didn't gamble or drink alcohol. These days it is a precaution against junkies trying to steal the stereo from the family car, parked in front of the house. It has the fortunate side effect that you can watch Dutch men in their natural surroundings, in front of the television, watching soaps.

Dutch tap water is safe to drink. This is quite remarkable considering that most drinking water comes from polluted rivers like the Rhine. Plans to improve the quality of the river water, so that fish like salmon will return to Dutch rivers to spawn, can count on strong resistance from the Dutch don't like the idea of animals having sex in their drinking water."

yoinked from: http://vanbachum.over-blog.com/article-587263-6.html
censor if you feel like it.

(little secret: worst thing from Holland: their music. except maybe "watskeburt". I'm serious, guys like "Frans bouwer", who is huge in Holland, should be shot, burnt and flushed down a Zimbabwean toilet.)

Dutch Baka
20-10-05, 18:07
why do you but this stuff on her? you really dislike the country you live in?

what city do you live in? btw whats wrong with a country there own lanquage songs? if you look at the top40 , around 50/60% of it is english, i am happy we still have some dutch left. but yeah wait 50 years or some, and no dutch will be spoken anymore

so if you would ask me, i dont think this is such a great contribution to the forum :blush:

yakutatazu
22-10-05, 23:57
no no no, look, I have nothing against them (said songs) because they're dutch, I hate them to when in English or other languages, just it seems around 85% of the dutch songs produced are like that.

and you don't like the text I posted? well lighten up dude!
it's a joke and I just happend to think it was funny. so I thought I would share it with the rest of you, but no, you come along and pee all over it.

geesh.

(I do not hate all of Holland, realise that, please)

Dutch Baka
23-10-05, 00:07
okay then we just had a misunderstanding...

I just thought it wasnt funny, most of what you said was true. but when you say this negative things *expect Watzkebeurt and Hertog Jan or Grolsch*, it feels like you dislike this country.

btw were do you live, where they just talk about cheese, and trekkers...

Miss_apollo7
23-10-05, 13:51
ho-hum.
I was unaware of a dutch-dude having invented CD's...

Heineken, BTW, sucks. Try Hertog Jan or Grolsch.


What is wrong with Heineken??
I like Grolsch too but....I have had more Heinekens than cans of Grolsch.

Dutch Baka
23-10-05, 13:59
i hear a lot of people saying Heineken sucks, but it is still the second biggest brewery in the world * as far as i know, if i am wrong tell me*

so it means, it doesnt sucks hahaha

Miss_apollo7
23-10-05, 14:00
i hear a lot of people saying Heineken sucks, but it is still the second biggest brewery in the world * as far as i know, if i am wrong tell me*

so it means, it doesnt sucks hahaha

Isn't Grolsch more bitter than Heineken?? Or do I have a bad memory?

Dutch Baka
23-10-05, 14:08
i excually dont drink Grolsh * try to pronounce it in english, it is hilarious, even it dutch it is haha....

i normaly drink Amstel, or Heineken, and sometimes Bavaria
http://www.pattaya-food-drink.com/images/alcohol/amstelbeercan.jpg
http://beer.trash.net/img/beers/1323.gif

Tsuyoiko
24-10-05, 18:06
Isn't Grolsch more bitter than Heineken?? Or do I have a bad memory?I like Grolsch. I think it tastes peppery. Have you seen it in bottles with the ceramic tops? When I was about 12 we used to go round the back of the cricket club and nick the tops from the empties to wear on our shoes.

http://www.polyone.com/elements/prodpr_Grolsch.jpg

Sensuikan San
25-10-05, 07:06
I rather like Grolsch too ... but I agree ... the name does sound more like a 'burp' than a 'beer'! (In Canada - yes - we get the ceramic "pop-bottle" tops!)

I seem to recall also from many years ago, a Dutch beer called "Oranjeboem"(?) which I remember as being rather good.

ジョン

Tsuyoiko
25-10-05, 14:28
I've heard of Oranjeboem Sen-san. Simon used to like it, until we realised that was what was making him shout out in his sleep! Weird!

Jack
25-10-05, 14:56
hmmm...the greatest dutch contribution to the world, apart from the fine beer, i think the greatest dutch contribution to the world is dutch baka. hooray to dutch comrade!! :smile:

Miss_apollo7
25-10-05, 17:30
When I was about 12 we used to go round the back of the cricket club and nick the tops from the empties to wear on our shoes.


HAHAHAHA :D that sounds funny!! But I don't understand completely....how (and why) did you wear the tops from the bottles on your shoes? Did you glue them on to your shoes? Was it a fashion trend?

Dutch Baka
25-10-05, 19:04
I rather like Grolsch too ... but I agree ... the name does sound more like a 'burp' than a 'beer'! (In Canada - yes - we get the ceramic "pop-bottle" tops!)

I seem to recall also from many years ago, a Dutch beer called "Oranjeboem"(?) which I remember as being rather good.

ジョン

hi, yeah i know which one you mean! it called Oranjeboom, havnt drunk it yet, but i heard it is nice yeah..
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/34/150px-Oranjeboom.gif

btw Jack, i think there way more better contributions then me. but thanks :wave:

Jack
25-10-05, 19:05
is hainekken dutch? is it the one the danes hate to see it leave?

Miss_apollo7
26-10-05, 14:15
is hainekken dutch? is it the one the danes hate to see it leave?

Aren't you confusing Danes wih Dutch???? I am not sure everyone follows.... :blush:

Dutch Baka
26-10-05, 19:54
whats hainekken?

Tsuyoiko
27-10-05, 14:04
HAHAHAHA :D that sounds funny!! But I don't understand completely....how (and why) did you wear the tops from the bottles on your shoes? Did you glue them on to your shoes? Was it a fashion trend?There was a trend to wear stuff on your shoes. Those bottle tops have two bits of metal that fit perfectly into your shoelace eyelets. Another thing we wore was those reflector things people used to attach to the spokes on their bikes. What the heck are they called? One boy replaced the reflectors with little mirrors so that he could see up girls skirts. :souka:

yakutatazu
28-10-05, 17:20
okay then we just had a misunderstanding...

I just thought it wasnt funny, most of what you said was true. but when you say this negative things *expect Watzkebeurt and Hertog Jan or Grolsch*, it feels like you dislike this country.

btw were do you live, where they just talk about cheese, and trekkers...

ok, misunderstanding set apart

where I live? well, that would be, erm, drenthe. In a small farming village, dwingeloo, ever heard of it, quite popular with the dutch tourists....

this is quite funny you know, Germany is usually thought of as a "beer-land" but it would appear dutch beer enjoys more popularity.

Rich303
28-10-05, 19:32
i hear a lot of people saying Heineken sucks, but it is still the second biggest brewery in the world * as far as i know, if i am wrong tell me*

so it means, it doesnt sucks hahaha


Ever seen the film 'Blue Velvet'? Dennis Hopper's character certainly doesn't like Heineken.
Whenever anyone orders one he shouts; ''Heineken, F**k that sh*t !'', whilst extolling the virtues of American beer.

I'm no beer expert, but I had some great ones in Berlin, and Dutch beer is OK with me. And 'Dutch cigarettes'!!!

Miss_apollo7
31-10-05, 13:14
There was a trend to wear stuff on your shoes. Those bottle tops have two bits of metal that fit perfectly into your shoelace eyelets. Another thing we wore was those reflector things people used to attach to the spokes on their bikes. What the heck are they called? One boy replaced the reflectors with little mirrors so that he could see up girls skirts. :souka:

HAHAHAHAHA....very creative!! This must have been a sight! You should have contacted the beer company because you were doing free advertising!!! :D :D I am sorry that the trend didn't pass by my circle of friends at that time.....

advigilo
06-12-05, 13:29
dutch sigarettes? as....

Dutch Baka
06-12-05, 21:28
Dutch cigarettes? uuuuh? what brand is that? mm maybe you can buy it at Apie hein... eigen merk?

Elizabeth van Kampen
07-12-05, 11:22
I think that painters like Rembrandt, Vermeer and several others are the greatest Dutch contribution to the world.
Paulus Potter, 17th century, was in my eyes, also a very good Dutch landscape painter.

Dameu
09-01-06, 01:08
In my opinion The Dutch are the best in water constructions even if Japan is very good too.

Dubai gives Dutch firm contract to build island (http://www.amsterdamcom.com/news.php?item.67)

The Afsluitdijk (http://www.amsterdamcom.com/content.php?article.45)

Rastko Pocesta
20-10-10, 01:23
Liberal laws and paintings

Aristander
20-10-10, 04:48
i hear a lot of people saying Heineken sucks, but it is still the second biggest brewery in the world * as far as i know, if i am wrong tell me*
so it means, it doesnt sucks hahaha

It's ok for a lager, I don't much care for pale lagers. I prefer ales and stouts to lagers. I absolutely despise Hefeweizen or any sort of wheat beer.

bud
20-10-10, 09:46
I absolutely despise Hefeweizen or any sort of wheat beer.

I absolutely love hefeweizen bier :good_job:


And on the Dutch, well its not in the list but I think their discovery of the West and North coasts of Australia (New Holland) by Europeans should rank up there.

Yorkie
20-10-10, 12:06
Their cannabis legislation, nothing is of more importance.

I would personally rate their beautiful, tall women as more important. Each to his own, I suppose...

Rastko Pocesta
20-10-10, 18:43
Wrong thread

Reinaert
17-02-11, 19:01
The beer brand of Heineken is chemical waste.
Gouda Cheese is quite common, nothing special.
There is much better cheese in other European countries, but Gouda works to catch mice.
The Colony of New Amsterdam was a failure from the beginning, they hardly survived, and there was nothing to be proud of.
And liberal laws? Those laws aren't liberal at all.
If you would study them, you would see they are cynical, and sometimes rather stupid.

To give an example..You can buy some mariuhana (wiet) in a Coffeeshop.
Maybe they don't even sell coffee in that Coffeeshop.
But where do those shops get their stuff from?
It's illegal to grow wiet. And having more than for personal use is illegal too!
In the newspaper this morning was written the police shut down 13 weed greenhouses in 1 day. Quite liberal, isn't it?

Sirius2b
20-02-11, 00:47
I want to go one by one...


Liberal laws (about cannabis, abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia...)

Well... I don't feel that any of those laws is relevant to me personally, given my tastes.... what they have in common, and I praise, is being precisely "liberal".

And for that I thank De Nederlanden.

And in that "liberal" spirit, I also cannot deny that I liked my visit to the RLD. :satisfied:

I hope that I will be able to visit Amsterdam once more and to appreciate the other side, the more cultural aspects of the city.

One thing, for example is that unique urbanism, that you could appreciate seeing the center of Amsterdam (Grachtengordel) from above...

http://heckeranddecker.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/amsterdam_airphoto.jpg

... and of course, the buildings themselves, and the perspectives...

http://www.projects.aegee.org/suct/su2010/images_sus/880474_Amsterdam.jpg


http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/Amsterdam/pics/AmsterdamCanals.jpg



Paintings (Rembrandt, Vermeer, Van Gogh, Mondriaan...)
Microscope and telescope = (Christiaan Huygens , Leeuwenhoek)
Pendulum clock
Mercury thermometer


The Netherlads had two "golden ages", and for me the more interesting is the first (17th Century) in which it was a kind of beacon of free thinking and science in a time when most of Europa was particulary intolerant and full with religious fanaticism. And so the art and science of that time flourished there.

I hope I could return there one day and visit many historical sites.

Regards.

Reinaert
20-02-11, 12:51
Well, Amsterdam is only a city in The Netherlands.

Free thinking? Forget it! Only protestants were free to say and print whatever they liked.
And for the rest.. Many people that fled their home country to be free in The Netherlands had money, knowledge and were welcomed to build up the economy in the poor region of Holland. And Holland is only a small part of The Netherlands.

The part of The Netherlands that was relatively save from attacks by our neighbours the English, French, Spanish and Germans. The Holland Dutch had a loud mouth from behind the water that surrounded them.
Leaving the rest of The Netherlands free for looters, ramsacking soldiers and other scum.

Regulus
21-02-11, 01:54
Well, Amsterdam is only a city in The Netherlands.

Free thinking? Forget it! Only protestants were free to say and print whatever they liked.
And for the rest.. Many people that fled their home country to be free in The Netherlands had money, knowledge and were welcomed to build up the economy in the poor region of Holland. And Holland is only a small part of The Netherlands.

The part of The Netherlands that was relatively save from attacks by our neighbours the English, French, Spanish and Germans. The Holland Dutch had a loud mouth from behind the water that surrounded them.
Leaving the rest of The Netherlands free for looters, ramsacking soldiers and other scum.


Please oblige me - are you denigating the efforts of the Dutch that fought off the the strongest power of its day?

We all know that the bulk of the country suffered greatly. Are you suggesting that they should have commited themselves out in the open against the Spanish? It would have been a slaughter. Don't forget that they at least won independence for a good portion of the country.

Sirius2b
21-02-11, 02:11
I find this History fascinanting....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Historical Context

A series of complex events which historians call the Revolt of the Netherlands (1566-1648) allowed Amsterdam to emerge as the dominant city in the Low Countries. The seven northern provinces of the Netherlands (17 provinces in all) rebelled against Spanish rule and won political independence in 1609. In the war with Spain, the Spanish armies commanded by the Duke of Alva destroyed Amsterdam's economic rivals in the south, including Antwerp. Accordingly, Amsterdam's freedom and her large population made her the de facto capital of Holland.
In addition to possessing political independence, Amsterdam was a major hub of European commerce after 1609. One reason was the decline of Antwerp, which was during the sixteenth century a center of banking and international commerce. The decline began in 1576, when the city was sacked by Spanish troops and some 6,000 citizens killed. To make matters worse, Antwerp was occupied in 1585 following a fourteen month siege, which had closed her ports and stopped trade.
Economic Basis for Amsterdam's Prosperity
Amsterdam, first of all, welcome refugees, including a significant number who had fled Antwerp, bring capital and commercial skills with them. Secondly, merchants in Amsterdam were eager to seize opportunities to make money. These included purchasing grain and other foodstuffs in Poland and eastern Europe and selling food to those experiencing shortages. The Dutch developed industries to supply export goods to colonies, a practice not followed by the Spanish and Portuguese, who then had to purchases such goods as textiles, metalwork products, armaments, furniture, rope, tar, timber, and other items. Third, they were willing to take risks and plunder Spanish and Portuguese treasure fleets. They also built ships to sell or lease and outfitted ships purchased elsewhere.

Amsterdam's Advantages.

Amsterdam had a superb merchant marine and the means to protect its ships. About 1650, the Dutch owned 50% of the merchant ships in Europe. Dutch merchants were prepared to trade in virtually any commodity in world commerce. Accordingly, Amsterdam prices became a world-wide reference guide. Further, the Dutch provided a complete assortment of commercial services, ranging from credit to insurance to brokering to law. The Dutch were hard working and efficient. Ships that berthed in Amsterdam harbor could unloaded and reloaded within a few days. In Amsterdam, a merchant could purchase just about anything, including grain, naval supplies, armaments, and fish. Moreover, the Dutch controlled metal imports from Sweden, wool from Spanish sheep, salt from Denmark, and unfinished woolen clothing from England. Many of these imports were raw materials or semi-finished goods. They were then finished in Amsterdam and exported at a considerable profit.

Amsterdam's Overseas Trading Companies

The ambition of Dutch merchants was to break the monopoly held by Spain and Portugal over the spice trade. To this end, the Dutch founded the Company of Far Lands, and the Dutch managed to penetrate the East Indes and establish trading relationships. As the trade thrived, the Dutch found they were competing against each other, thus harming themselves. To put an end to this situation, the Dutch founded the United Netherlands Chartered East India Company in 1602; its initial capital was 6.5 million florins, 50% of which came from Amsterdam. This company claimed a monopoly over trade from the Cape of Good Hope to the Straits of Magellan. It could make war and peace, build fortresses, seize foreign vessels, and coin money. Amsterdam merchants dominated the Company. An annual fleet was sent out, and it seized areas in which the Dutch wished to trade, including Cape Town, parts of India, Batavia on Java, the Moluccas, and Nagasaki, Japan. In 1621, the Dutch West India Company was founded to monopolize trade with the New World. Its captured the entire Spanish treasure fleet in Cuba in 1628. They also tried but failed to colonize New York. The result of the activities of the East and West India Companies was a vast increase in the quantity as well as the quality of the goods available. The character of the Dutch merchants who thrived in this competitive atmosphere was calculating, greedy, tight-fisted, and frugal; they were ready to forego immediate pleasures for long-term gain, and they often ignored religion and patriotism when they interfered with economic activity. According to the contemporary poet, Joost van der Vondel: "For love of gain the wide world's harbors we explore."

http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/Amsterdam_l.html

Reinaert
21-02-11, 18:35
Please oblige me - are you denigating the efforts of the Dutch that fought off the the strongest power of its day?

We all know that the bulk of the country suffered greatly. Are you suggesting that they should have commited themselves out in the open against the Spanish? It would have been a slaughter. Don't forget that they at least won independence for a good portion of the country.

All propaganda. There are good books about it. The Spanish had a hard time to even send an army into The Netherlands.
The Spanish got their soldiers from all over Europe. By the time they were approaching, the Holland Dutch had time and money enough to safe their own skin by hiring mostly German troops.

And the Hollanders even let the city of Antwerp be burnt and slaughtered by the Spanish troops. Why? Antwerp was the main rival harbor of Amsterdam.

The Holland Dutch let the Spanish destroy Antwerp on purpose.
Just like the Russians watched how Warsaw was butchered and destroyed by the Germans in the second world war.

So, the history of The Netherlands is far more complex than what you think.
It's also the reason why part of it want te be independent, the part now called Belgium.

Regulus
21-02-11, 21:45
All propaganda. There are good books about it. The Spanish had a hard time to even send an army into The Netherlands.
The Spanish got their soldiers from all over Europe. By the time they were approaching, the Holland Dutch had time and money enough to safe their own skin by hiring mostly German troops.

And the Hollanders even let the city of Antwerp be burnt and slaughtered by the Spanish troops. Why? Antwerp was the main rival harbor of Amsterdam.

The Holland Dutch let the Spanish destroy Antwerp on purpose.
Just like the Russians watched how Warsaw was butchered and destroyed by the Germans in the second world war.

So, the history of The Netherlands is far more complex than what you think.
It's also the reason why part of it want te be independent, the part now called Belgium.

I would allow that there were elements in Holland and Zeeland who were happy to see Antwerp be sacked and then decline, but hard to get there or not, the Spanish did have substantial armies there. They did not have much in the way of quality cavalry, but the Tercios were formidible infantry for their time. We should not forget the fact that towards the end of Alva's command, the soldiers went of strike, heavily impairing his ability to finish off the rebels.

Parma may well have been able to finish it if not for his incompetent King, who couldn't resist trying to fight Engalnd at the same time.

There were also religious differences in the areas of todays Netherlands and Belgium. Perhaps that fact contributed to the lack of cooperation.

Reinaert
21-02-11, 22:16
I would allow that there were elements in Holland and Zeeland who were happy to see Antwerp be sacked and then decline, but hard to get there or not, the Spanish did have substantial armies there. They did not have much in the way of quality cavalry, but the Tercios were formidible infantry for their time. We should not forget the fact that towards the end of Alva's command, the soldiers went of strike, heavily impairing his ability to finish off the rebels.

Parma may well have been able to finish it if not for his incompetent King, who couldn't resist trying to fight Engalnd at the same time.

There were also religious differences in the areas of todays Netherlands and Belgium. Perhaps that fact contributed to the lack of cooperation.

You don't know the facts, as ever..

Regulus
22-02-11, 15:38
You don't know the facts, as ever..

You know, I actaully had the smallest glimmer of hope that we could have had a dialogue here that did not devolve into the usual.

I guess that it is my fault for dreaming.

Reinaert
22-02-11, 18:32
You know, I actaully had the smallest glimmer of hope that we could have had a dialogue here that did not devolve into the usual.

I guess that it is my fault for dreaming.

Just stop your spamming. This BS from you doesn't contribute anything.
All I said is people from abroad have a wrong view on The Netherlands.

I know Americans don't do a gunfight in cowboy style anymore..
But Americans still keep talking about free cannabis and such nonsense.

I repeat... Amsterdam is NOT The Netherlands.
In Amsterdam some things are tolerated, just because tourism brings profit.
But the rest of the country isn't like that.

Drug trafficking is mainly a problem because of the transito transport.
Tons and tons of goods pass through the Dutch harbor of Rotterdam, the roads and air. It's estimated that only 10% of the weapon shipments are checked by the authorities.

The Netherlands are the gateway to Europe, but don't blame us we can't check everything that passes. :innocent:

crudshoveller
28-02-11, 21:31
van Meegeren, who cocked a snook at the stuffy world of art and showed that Vermeer wasn't the only one who could paint a Vermeer - but had to demonstrate it to the experts of the day before they would believe his claim.
I have an especial affinity for snook cockers.

sparkey
28-02-11, 22:29
van Meegeren, who cocked a snook at the stuffy world of art and showed that Vermeer wasn't the only one who could paint a Vermeer - but had to demonstrate it to the experts of the day before they would believe his claim.
I have an especial affinity for snook cockers.

+1 on van Meegeren. He was not an especially creative artist, but was extremely talented at copying the style of others. His life story is always a fun one to tell.

Of course, after his death, fake van Meegeren paintings have popped up... fakes of fakes, you could say.

Rastko Pocesta
09-03-11, 21:55
Liberal laws (first country to legalize same-sex marriage and to tolerate cannabis use etc)
CD, CD-ROM, audio tape, video tape etc
Paintings (from van Eyck, van der Weyden, Pieter Bruegel the Elder and Hieronymus Bosch through Rembrandt van Rijk, Johannes Vermeer and Frans Hals to Piet Mondria(a)n and Vincent van Gogh).

Also great philosophers like Desiderius Erasmus and Baruch Spinoza.

Reinaert
09-03-11, 23:53
About same sex marriages, I am not very keen on that. There were already methods to make a "living together contract". The scene made it even further into a total recognition of official state marriage of the same sex, what is ridiculous in my eyes.

What people have withe each other, is their own choice.
It's ridiculous that the state should make a ceremony of it.

Get marriages out of the town hall !!!

Why marry today anymore?
It's useless.

Rastko Pocesta
10-03-11, 18:59
About same sex marriages, I am not very keen on that. There were already methods to make a "living together contract". The scene made it even further into a total recognition of official state marriage of the same sex, what is ridiculous in my eyes.

What people have withe each other, is their own choice.
It's ridiculous that the state should make a ceremony of it.

Get marriages out of the town hall !!!

Why marry today anymore?
It's useless.

I am proponent of free love concept and I think marriage shall be abolished, so that state has nothing to do with it, that it de jure doesn't exist at all. If they want to marry in church, they will, but there should be no registration or anything.

However, I am pretty sure that will never happen, so I think that as long as heterosexual couples enjoy right on marriage, LGBT couples shall not be discriminated in any way.

Rastko Pocesta
28-04-11, 15:47
Free thinking? Forget it! Only protestants were free to say and print whatever they liked.

John Locke, Renテゥ Descartes, Gabriel Fahrenheit, Baruch Spinoza... not enough?

Brett142
06-06-11, 07:08
I don't really think you can credit anyone but the Americans for New York City.
Dutch are marvellously liberal thinking people though.

Reinaert
06-06-11, 21:31
I don't really think you can credit anyone but the Americans for New York City.
Dutch are marvellously liberal thinking people though.

Hmm

Both wrong. I can't help it, but the Dutch were the founders of the city later named New York. Capitalism with stock markets and so on (Wall street is a translated Dutch name), is a protestant Dutch invention.
And the problem is in fact, that the system is bad.
People can get rich with selling hot air.

The other misconception is that the Dutch would be a liberal thinking people. Well, that's absolute nonsense.
The majority of the Dutch are conservative, and rather socially stupid.
They vote for right wing parties, that cost them a fortune in their wallets, but they never learn.

I am from the south, and we are working our backs off to finance the rest of our kingdom.
That's why I am thinking that in a couple of months we will have some clashes in politics.

@Rastko


John Locke, Renテゥ Descartes, Gabriel Fahrenheit, Baruch Spinoza... not enough?

None of them are Dutch from origin. And also not Catholic.

Cimmerianbloke
08-06-11, 04:30
I have to complain my friend Stella didn't make the list, she's Dutch and she's great...

As a whole, I'll say Dutch-Flemish painting is part of the European canon of arts. Banking in its modern form has its roots in Netherlands too, not to be too proud of, but it definitely shaped life as we live it today.

Reinaert
08-06-11, 19:09
I have to complain my friend Stella didn't make the list, she's Dutch and she's great...

As a whole, I'll say Dutch-Flemish painting is part of the European canon of arts. Banking in its modern form has its roots in Netherlands too, not to be too proud of, but it definitely shaped life as we live it today.

Stella Artois is Belgian beer.

And the modern banking system and especially speculation is proven to be very bad.

edao
08-06-11, 20:29
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/12/article-1278969157259-0A67CA02000005DC-707537_636x363.jpg

Kung-Fu?:rolleyes2:

Cimmerianbloke
09-06-11, 15:49
Stella Artois is Belgian beer.

And the modern banking system and especially speculation is proven to be very bad.

Stella is actually a woman, a good friend of mine... Stella Artois, I don't know, I only drink beer :laughing:. As for the banking system, you have a point, but it is to finance what democracy is to politics, it's the best compromise we have found so far...

Reinaert
09-06-11, 21:29
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/12/article-1278969157259-0A67CA02000005DC-707537_636x363.jpg

Kung-Fu?:rolleyes2:

No. it's a Spanish player trying to pull the leg off a Dutch player. :innocent:

Deus
02-09-11, 01:24
Greatest Dutch contributions to the world ?

Reinaert :)

Reinaert
10-09-11, 19:08
i hear a lot of people saying Heineken sucks, but it is still the second biggest brewery in the world * as far as i know, if i am wrong tell me*

so it means, it doesnt sucks hahaha

The fact that it sells, doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
Many people in the world don't know how real beer really tastes.

I guess Heineken is a chemical waste product.

And to be honest, Heineken isn't even beer, it's pilsner. A kind of lager.

Better pilsners from the Netherlands are Grolsch and Bavaria.
Or even Dommelsch, the taste of that lager is a bit sharp.

I prefer Belgian and German beer though.

They taste much better than the Dutch variations.

Hey, I know about it. I brew beer myself, and even my brother works at a beer brewery.
Their beer is still questionable.
(Not the brands I mentioned)

Reinaert
18-09-11, 17:05
Well... Here is another case not to be proud of..

http://www.geencommentaar.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/gouden-koets.jpg

The Queen reads the State of the Union, after she arrived at the Parliament in a Golden Coach.
It is depicting the honoring towards her from the colonies on one side. In fact, it is seen as a symbol of slavery by the Royal Family and the Dutch Government in the past.
On the other side the honoring of the Dutch is depicted. The people who also suffered under the colonialist and conservative Orange regime.

Nearly a year ago, a protesting man threw a candle towards that "Golden Coach" and was arrested and is still in prison after a year!!!

So.. A question.. Do you think this painting is racist or not?

arvistro
19-12-14, 10:30
No, I dont think it is racist. I think such drawings were pretty common when people of conquered countries greeted their conqueror with presents, including slaves.
At least I have such impression from ancient art. Some art experts here might correct me.

linicx
01-08-15, 10:59
Thanks the laugh... "little parasites". . . ;-) I am surprised you can't hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth all the way from Chicago! They're such babies.