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Maciamo
01-05-05, 12:07
In the same series, check the greatest contributions of Japan (http://www.wa-pedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16125), Germany (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16867),
France (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16869), Belgium (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16861) and the Netherlands (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16865).

You can also check the list of inventions (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16138) for more info.

Alma
01-05-05, 14:01
i chose ''Painting & scuplture'' (+ architecture). for me this is on first place. then, literature, classic music, food (i live on esspreso coffee). what else? sport cars, nevigators, fashion too

Miss_apollo7
01-05-05, 16:53
I participated in the poll, which was fun and interesting!

My favourite is: fashion (hehe), but second and third place are: classical music and literature (especially Umberto Eco).

I especially love Puccini's operas.

Duo
01-05-05, 17:56
Oh I like so many Italian things, great great country. I would say well the Rennaisance was probaply their greatest contribution to our world, although we can argue about that lets not forget the great italian artists, michelangelo, leonardo da vinci, and also dante's la divina comedia is just too good. Fashion, food, movies,culture, Italy has it all. Also Gramsci's works are very interesting indeed :)

lexico
01-09-05, 09:05
Radio wave transmission by Guglielmo Marconi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi) was mentioned by Sabro (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228626&postcount=32); but he floated around so much to be recognised... I think radio transmission should be ascribed to Italy by the inventor's nationality.

Guglielmo Marconi – Biography (http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1909/marconi-bio.html)

Kara_Nari
01-09-05, 15:45
I blame Italy for the fantastic food that I love so much, for oh so many reasons.
The ART! Sculpture... oh its just amazing. The Music... I think I voted for lots of things, so much so that I never realised how much Italian things I really like, I was underappreciating that wonderful country. I think that will be my first stop in Europe. Ok, have to start learning Italian from tomorrow. I will throw everything else out the window.

Tsuyoiko
01-09-05, 16:03
I voted for lots of things! I love Italian food, it is easy for a veggie to eat Italian. I didn't know Italians invented glasses, but thanks to them I can see! I had to choose painting and sculpture - the world would be a poor place without Leonardo, Botticelli, Michaelangelo and all those guys. And the literature too. The Divine Comedy and The Name of the Rose, to name just a couple of my favourites. I also chose Tarot cards. I thought they were French. I chose them not for the fortune telling side, but because they have inspired so much art and literature, and they are a retelling of a favourite myth of mine.

Sensuikan San
04-09-05, 06:00
I agree with Lexico ...

Radio .... without doubt; a stunning contribution.

ジョン

Void
04-09-05, 08:57
well, i could`ve argue about radio - it was invented (better say rediscovered) by Russian Alexander Semyonovich Popov
07.05.1895 was the 1st demonstration or radio reciever at S-Petersburg
in 1899 was established conection through 20 km distance during naval maneuvres on Black Sea
1899 discovered that signals could be recieved through the phone
in 1900 they had stable connection across 40 km, in 1901 over 150 km

Marconi was born in 25.04.1874 So, he just continued the work of his predecessors

:D :D :D

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sensor tube (coherer) was created by english scientist
the same case like Newton said : "i was standing on the shoulders of giants of the past, that`s why i was able to create a theory" (quoted freely)
we should`ve thank Hertz, Branley( sp?) as well

Anchyyy
04-09-05, 18:37
Italian food isnt so bad. I like that egg salad :cool:. Beside that i love da Vindi's work:-)

Sensuikan San
06-09-05, 00:34
well, i could`ve argue about radio - it was invented (better say rediscovered) by Russian Alexander Semyonovich Popov
07.05.1895 was the 1st demonstration or radio reciever at S-Petersburg
in 1899 was established conection through 20 km distance during naval maneuvres on Black Sea
1899 discovered that signals could be recieved through the phone
in 1900 they had stable connection across 40 km, in 1901 over 150 km

Marconi was born in 25.04.1874 So, he just continued the work of his predecessors

:D :D :D

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sensor tube (coherer) was created by english scientist
the same case like Newton said : "i was standing on the shoulders of giants of the past, that`s why i was able to create a theory" (quoted freely)
we should`ve thank Hertz, Branley( sp?) as well

My word!

You appear to be quite correct with that one!

Perhaps the time has come for a "Russian" thread of this kind!

Thanks!

ジョン

Tsuyoiko
06-09-05, 16:36
I would argue that Nikola Tesla invented radio. In 1893 he demonstrated an apparatus for radio transmission and reception during a presentation in St Louis before the National Electric Light Association. Tesla was a Serbian-American, born in Croatia.

Void
06-09-05, 17:10
yeah, i`ve heard it about Tesla too, and some othe italian who made some things few years earlier thn Marconi, but couldn`t find financial support for further research. Marcony was much more successful in this field, it also takes a talent

Zauriel
08-09-05, 00:53
I always believe Italian food is the greatest contribution in the world.

But what about Ancient Roman contributions? Isn't Rome part of Italy?

cursore
14-11-05, 13:58
And what about the Nuclear reactor? Enrico Fermi's work?

Maciamo
14-11-05, 15:06
And what about the Nuclear reactor? Enrico Fermi's work?

Well, Fermi became an American citizen, did most of his research in the US, with a team of Americans, and isn't the only person to have the nuclear reactor. Of course many countries have had Nobel prize winners, but we cannot include them in this kind of poll - there would be too many of them. Let's concentrate on the contributions really representative of the country or its culture.

CC1
14-11-05, 15:37
Well, Fermi became an American citizen, did most of his research in the US, with a team of Americans, and isn't the only person to have the nuclear reactor. Of course many countries have had Nobel prize winners, but we cannot include them in this kind of poll - there would be too many of them. Let's concentrate on the contributions really representative of the country or its culture.


...but you included the telephone, glasses...etc in the original poll...where do they fit in with your statement?

Maciamo
14-11-05, 15:50
...but you included the telephone, glasses...etc in the original poll...where do they fit in with your statement?

That's right. Nobody is perfect. :bluush: However, these are inventions made by a single person, not a team basing its research on the work of many other scientists like for the nuclear reactor. Then old inventions like glasses, the thermometre or tarot cards can be considered more "cultural" as inventions travelled less quickly across borders at the time (took a few centuries for paper or black powder to reach Europe from China). The telephone is more arguable...

newasian
26-11-05, 18:14
Literature (Dante). Clothes, food.

Rastko Pocesta
20-10-10, 18:59
Classical music, Painting & Sculpture and Italian literature.

ricjoseph96
27-10-10, 13:42
Well i could not figure it out which is probably the best Italy has given to world,before reading this post i have never noticed all these achievements from Italy.My knowledge is been restricted to Ferrari and pizza.nice to have this information.please post some more incredible facts from other European countries.

Thanks:smile:

Sirius2b
21-11-10, 19:35
Is difficult to choose one or some as my favorite(s), so many and good contributions to mankind.

I will only add, that although many of the already mentioned painters and sculpturist were or worked as architects, Italian architecture by itself from the Romans to the Reinassece was also very important.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/1898098977mmmtr7684.JPG

Rastko Pocesta
08-03-11, 18:00
You forgot the great composers like Rossini and Verdi...

Maciamo
09-03-11, 10:29
You forgot the great composers like Rossini and Verdi...

7th option in the poll.

Sirius2b
09-03-11, 16:55
In the category of sports cars, is mentioned the Bugatti... although the designer and creator of the company was obviously an Italian, it could be also be claimed to be an German-French company... according to you point of view.

Today, Bugatti exists as part of the VW consortium... an produce the - as far as I know - fastest cars avalible today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-WdcolfYsg

... but I have to choose, I will prefer to have this classical beauty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiPasJztST0

Some things never die?... :thinking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTDYQkbJ9jc

Cambrius (The Red)
09-03-11, 17:22
Music, visual arts and food are at the top of my list.

Sirius2b
09-03-11, 21:59
Another interesting video... "Butatti Veyron vs. Euro Fighter"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OYZyRzZ1k

+

Vallicanus
20-03-11, 14:54
...but you included the telephone, glasses...etc in the original poll...where do they fit in with your statement?
Meucci only developed an acoustic telephone of short range while Gray and Bell developed proper electro-magnetic telephones.

Riccardo
24-03-11, 01:54
I think we gave a lot of important things to the world...We are a creative, ingenious people under many aspects but...We give our best not in arts...Not in sculpture...Not in fashion...But in food, that in Italy is an art. =)

edao
06-06-11, 22:41
What about the Roman Alphabet?

I mean we are communicating with these characters thanks to ancient Italians are we not?

If the contributions are limited to the modern formation of Italy surely alot of the things on the list would have to go?
"The Latin alphabet, also called the Roman alphabet, is the most widely used alphabetic writing system in the world today. It evolved from the western variety of the Greek alphabet called the Cumaean alphabet, which was borrowed and modified by the Etruscans who ruled early Rome, whose alphabet was then adapted and further modified by the ancient Romans to write the Latin language.
During the Middle Ages, it was adapted to the Romance languages, the direct descendants of Latin, as well as to the Celtic, Germanic, Baltic, and some Slavic languages, and finally to most of the languages of Europe." source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet)

Riccardo
07-06-11, 00:08
What about the Roman Alphabet?

I mean we are communicating with these characters thanks to ancient Italians are we not?

If the contributions are limited to the modern formation of Italy surely alot of the things on the list would have to go?
"The Latin alphabet, also called the Roman alphabet, is the most widely used alphabetic writing system in the world today. It evolved from the western variety of the Greek alphabet called the Cumaean alphabet, which was borrowed and modified by the Etruscans who ruled early Rome, whose alphabet was then adapted and further modified by the ancient Romans to write the Latin language.
During the Middle Ages, it was adapted to the Romance languages, the direct descendants of Latin, as well as to the Celtic, Germanic, Baltic, and some Slavic languages, and finally to most of the languages of Europe." source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet)


Surely it is another great Italian contribution. I think we gave a lot of things to the world and we have to be proud of it.

LeBrok
07-06-11, 05:16
Surely your nation did Riccardo, lot's to be proud of. :good_job:

I lived 15 months in Italy long time ago, Ostia by Roma, while emigrating from Poland 1987. Met many great people, some friends till today. I have a friend in Milano too.
Now I'm dreaming about a nice house by Mediterranean Sea. Small town, fresh sea food, great weather, people, food, history, architecture. Maybe one day....

Maciamo
07-06-11, 09:04
What about the Roman Alphabet?

I mean we are communicating with these characters thanks to ancient Italians are we not?

If the contributions are limited to the modern formation of Italy surely alot of the things on the list would have to go?
"The Latin alphabet, also called the Roman alphabet, is the most widely used alphabetic writing system in the world today. It evolved from the western variety of the Greek alphabet called the Cumaean alphabet, which was borrowed and modified by the Etruscans who ruled early Rome, whose alphabet was then adapted and further modified by the ancient Romans to write the Latin language.
During the Middle Ages, it was adapted to the Romance languages, the direct descendants of Latin, as well as to the Celtic, Germanic, Baltic, and some Slavic languages, and finally to most of the languages of Europe." source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet)


I didn't list it because it's already in the poll for the greatest Roman contributions to the world (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?20285-Greatest-Ancient-Roman-contribution%28s%29-to-the-world). Besides, the population and culture of ancient Rome being so different from modern Italy I prefer to keep them separate.

zanipolo
07-06-11, 09:56
shouldn't the italians only count inventions, arts etc etc ftom 1861 . I mean we do not say the Italian Empire, but Roman empire. In the renaissance period, the terminology was either genoese, lombards, venetians, neapolitans, papal states etc etc......but never italians ( unless used for a geografical expression ).

Even in the 1820 , from the Congress of Vienna, all the super powers of Europe said ( after 5 years of discourse) that there where no Italians.
Even in 1861, the first Italian government stated, "we now have an Italy, bt we have no Italians"

So, maybe Marconi should be an italian inventor, then again he did his inventions in London. hmm........is there anyone else who gave the world something special........please enlighten me:thinking:

Dorianfinder
11-08-11, 15:44
Painting and sculpture, although this is not an Italian invention the residents of Italy did do a great job of bringing ancient Greek techniques to the attention of many by perfecting it themselves. Bravo!

iapetoc
12-08-11, 22:37
shouldn't the italians only count inventions, arts etc etc ftom 1861 . I mean we do not say the Italian Empire, but Roman empire. In the renaissance period, the terminology was either genoese, lombards, venetians, neapolitans, papal states etc etc......but never italians ( unless used for a geografical expression ).

Even in the 1820 , from the Congress of Vienna, all the super powers of Europe said ( after 5 years of discourse) that there where no Italians.
Even in 1861, the first Italian government stated, "we now have an Italy, bt we have no Italians"

So, maybe Marconi should be an italian inventor, then again he did his inventions in London. hmm........is there anyone else who gave the world something special........please enlighten me:thinking:


Allessandro Volta?

Reinaert
14-08-11, 16:45
Well, the Italians did and still do a lot of good things, but often the language is a problem.

I have seen translated theater pieces, that were originally from Dario Fo. A great writer.
And then there is ... Roberto Benigni


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yniPK63MFM&feature=related

He's the modern Charlie Chaplin.

Jacker22
14-08-11, 16:52
shouldn't the italians only count inventions, arts etc etc ftom 1861 . I mean we do not say the Italian Empire, but Roman empire. In the renaissance period, the terminology was either genoese, lombards, venetians, neapolitans, papal states etc etc......but never italians ( unless used for a geografical expression ).

Even in the 1820 , from the Congress of Vienna, all the super powers of Europe said ( after 5 years of discourse) that there where no Italians.
Even in 1861, the first Italian government stated, "we now have an Italy, bt we have no Italians"


And is there many Italians who feel more Italian than Tuscan, Venetian, Sicilian or Sardinian nowadays ? Italians are the people who live in the Italian peninsula (+ islands). Not many Southerners have ever felt like they were alike to Northerners, or vice versa, today or 2000 years ago.

zanipolo
15-08-11, 03:32
And is there many Italians who feel more Italian than Tuscan, Venetian, Sicilian or Sardinian nowadays ? Italians are the people who live in the Italian peninsula (+ islands). Not many Southerners have ever felt like they were alike to Northerners, or vice versa, today or 2000 years ago.


I do not know where you are going with this as I do not understand what you mean, but as an example ( i would like to know your thoughts)
The modern sundial was invented in 1000AD ( approx) by the Moors. Should this invention be classified Moorish or Spanish ?

I dislike intensly the system where people who are from one race are reclassified another race based on modern national borders. This system is flawed with problems.

7omnia7
12-11-12, 17:13
I do not know where you are going with this as I do not understand what you mean, but as an example ( i would like to know your thoughts)
The modern sundial was invented in 1000AD ( approx) by the Moors. Should this invention be classified Moorish or Spanish ?

I dislike intensly the system where people who are from one race are reclassified another race based on modern national borders. This system is flawed with problems.
Zanipolo... am I noticing some regional pride here?
Son veneto anca mi (originario di Vicenza)....
How would you classify an "Italian" inventor and/or contribiution before 1861?.

zanipolo
12-11-12, 19:07
Zanipolo... am I noticing some regional pride here?
Son veneto anca mi (originario di Vicenza)....
How would you classify an "Italian" inventor and/or contribiution before 1861?.

You have to understand that the italian government from its beginning until now has classified there where no italians before 1861. The term Italian before this date was similar to the term called scandinavians for the swedes, danes and norwegians.
This law is based on jus sanguinis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis). For Trentini, friuli, veneti and lombardi its 1928.

An "italian" inventor before 1861 is classified from where he was from, Michelangelo =Tuscan, Da Vinci =Tuscan......same as artists, Cumin=Veneto, Titian =Veneto, Canova =Veneto

I did not write the rules, the Europeans did...even in the Congress of Vienna 1815 to 1820 , all european leaders said that there where no italians.

Italians need to stop the nationalistic lies which are being fed, if it keeps going with these lies, then we will not have a Roman empire but a Italian empire

Nationalism destroys the real truth of history.

oriental
15-11-12, 01:45
Galileo and Leonardo Da Vinci helped usher in the Scientific Age.

kamani
01-12-12, 12:52
rome is their greatest contribution; the disciplined evil empire that everybody is desperately trying to be today.
other things on the list:
-art
-beach culture
-mafia
-fellini
-wannabe italians all over the world
-"divide and conquer"
-alphabet
-an imaginary country you want to move at

oriental
02-12-12, 01:12
Yes Fellini gave "La Dolce Vita" starring Marcello Mastoianni, Anita Ekberg and the Anouk Aimee

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053779/

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3233331456/tt0053779

Anita wading in the freezing famous Trevi Fountain

Sybilla
17-12-12, 16:48
As an Italian I voted for navigators: of course without them the process of colonization of America would never have started or at least the world would be deeply different from what it is today in bad and in positive. Large masses of humans would not have deported from Africa or Europe to the New World, many indigenous would not have died... It was the largest revolution that can be linked to Italy IMO.

I think you did miss something: Enrico Fermi, an Italian Jew escaped to Chicago, was the first man to realize a nuclear reactor. The first nuclear reactor was made by an Italian as well. This is also very important.

Regio X
12-03-14, 23:05
Also the physicist Enrico Fermi, "best known for his work on Chicago Pile-1 (the first nuclear reactor), and for his contributions to the development of quantum theory, nuclear and particle physics, and statistical mechanics. He is one of the men referred to as the 'father of the atomic bomb'. Fermi held several patents related to the use of nuclear power, and was awarded the 1938 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on induced radioactivity by neutron bombardment and the discovery of transuranic elements. He was widely regarded as one of the very few physicists to excel both theoretically and experimentally". (by Wikipedia)

Aberdeen
13-03-14, 02:06
If you're going to claim that an Italian invented the telephone, perhaps you should give Leonardo da Vinci credit for inventing the helicopter. His version didn't become anything functional, any more than the Italian version of the telephone did, but he could probably have gotten his helicopter to work if he'd managed to also invent something like the internal combustion engine.

Coolboygcp
13-03-14, 07:05
I think Italians have made many great contributions to the world, like opera, beautiful art (Da Vinci, Michelangelo, etc), and more.However, many things that Italians claim as theirs are not theirs.Pizza was invented by the ancient Greeks.
The word pizza originates from the Latin verb pテャnsere ("to press") and from the Greek pitta (derived from ancient Greek pト徒tos, マホキホコママ狐, meaning "solid" or "clotted"). The ancient Greeks covered their bread with oils, herbs and cheese. In Byzantine Greek, the word was spelled マホッマホア, pita, or マホッママホア, pitta, meaning pie. The word has also spread to Romanian as pitト, Turkish as pide,[2] and Bulgarian, Bosnian, Croatian, Macedonian and Serbian as pita, Albanian as pite and Modern Hebrew pittト”.[3] The Romans developed placenta, a sheet of dough topped with cheese and honey and flavored with bay leaves.Columbus was Spanish:
But American researchers say the mystery over the explorer's true origins has finally been solved after a thorough investigation of his writings.A study of the language used in the official records and letters of the Great Navigator apparently proves he hailed from the Kingdom of Aragon in northeastern Spain and his mother tongue was Catalan.Since his death in 1506 debate has raged over the true nationality of the man credited with discovering the Americas.It was widely believed that he was the son of a weaver born in the Italian port of Genoa, but over the centuries he has been claimed as a native son of Greece, Catalonia, Portugal, Corsica, France and even Poland.According to one theory, he may have been Jewish and another more recent account traced his origins to Scotland.But a linguistic professor at Georgetown University in Washington has published new findings following an exhaustive study of documents written in his hand.Estelle Irizarry studied his language and grammar and concluded that Columbus was a Catalan speaking man from the Kingdom of Aragon, an inland region of north-eastern Spain at the foot of the Pyrenees.The findings published this month in a new book "The DNA of the writings of Columbus" explain that although he wrote in Castilian it was clearly not his first language and his origins can be pinpointed to the Aragon region because of the grammar and the way he constructed sentences."He didn't express him correctly in any written language," said the professor. "His Spanish was notoriously incorrect yet at the same time efficient, poetic and eloquent."A scientific project launched three years ago to discover his true origins using DNA comparisons between his family and possible descendants has so far failed to provide conclusive results.A team of scientists took samples from the tomb of Columbus in Seville and from bones belonging to his brother and son and compared them to the genetic make-up of hundreds of people living across Europe with surnames believed to be modern day variants of Columbus.Swabs were taken from the cheeks of Colom's in Catalonia, Colombo's in Italy and even members of the deposed Portuguese royal family, who argue that Columbus was the product of an extramarital affair involving a Portuguese prince.Scientists had hoped to establish a common ancestor using standard Y-chromosome tests but they have yet to find a link.They study may be in vain, however, as there is evidence to suggest that Columbus, who first crossed the Atlantic in 1492, may have adopted his surname later in life to disguise his true origins.One theory claims that he once worked for a pirate called Vincenzo Columbus, and adopted that name in order not to embarrass his relations with his new profession.Columbus himself, when asked about his origins, used to shrug off the questions. "Vine de nada" 窶 "I came from nothing", he said.Pasta is not originally Italian:
In the 1st century BC writings of Horace, lagana (Sing.: laganum) were fine sheets of fried dough [12] and were an everyday foodstuff.[13] Writing in the 2nd century Athenaeus of Naucratis provides a recipe for lagana which he attributes to the 1st century Chrysippus of Tyana: sheets of dough made of wheat flour and the juice of crushed lettuce, then flavoured with spices and deep-fried in oil.[13] An early 5th century cookbook describes a dish called lagana that consisted of layers of dough with meat stuffing, a possible ancestor of modern-day lasagna.[13] However, the method of cooking these sheets of dough does not correspond to our modern definition of either a fresh or dry pasta product, which only had similar basic ingredients and perhaps the shape.[13] The first concrete information concerning pasta products in Italy dates from the 13th or 14th century.[14]Historians have noted several lexical milestones relevant to pasta, none of which changes these basic characteristics. For example, the works of the 2nd century AD Greek physician Galen mention itrion, homogeneous compounds made up of flour and water.[15] The Jerusalem Talmud records that itrium, a kind of boiled dough,[15] was common in Palestine from the 3rd to 5th centuries AD,[16] A dictionary compiled by the 9th century Arab physician and lexicographer Isho bar Ali[17] defines itriyya, the Arabic cognate, as string-like shapes made of semolina and dried before cooking. The geographical text of Muhammad al-Idrisi, compiled for the Norman King of Sicily Roger II in 1154 mentions itriyya manufactured and exported from Norman Sicily:"West of Termini there is a delightful settlement called Trabia.[18] Its ever-flowing streams propel a number of mills. Here there are huge buildings in the countryside where they make vast quantities of itriyya which is exported everywhere: to Calabria, to Muslim and Christian countries. Very many shiploads are sent."[19]Itriyya gives rise to trie in Italian,[citation needed] signifying long strips such as tagliatelle and trenette. One form of itriyya with a long history is laganum (plural lagana), which in Latin refers to a thin sheet of dough,[13] and gives rise to Italian lasagna.Boy with Spaghetti by Julius Moser, c. 1808.Typical products shop in Naples with pasta on displayAccording to historians like Charles Perry, the Arabs adapted noodles for long journeys in the 5th century, the first written record of dry pasta.[citation needed] The dried pasta introduced was being produced in great quantities in Palermo at that time.[citation needed]In North Africa, a food similar to pasta, known as couscous, has been eaten for centuries. However, it lacks the distinguishing malleable nature of pasta, couscous being more akin to droplets of dough. At first, dry pasta was a luxury item in Italy because of high labor costs; durum wheat semolina had to be kneaded for a long time.There is a legend of Marco Polo importing pasta from China[20] which originated with the Macaroni Journal, published by an association of food industries with the goal of promoting the use of pasta in the United States.[21] Rustichello da Pisa writes in his Travels that Marco Polo described a food similar to "lagana". Jeffrey Steingarten asserts that Arabs introduced pasta in the Emirate of Sicily in the ninth century, mentioning also that traces of pasta have been found in ancient Greece and that Jane Grigson believed the Marco Polo story to have originated in the 1920s or 30s in an advertisement for a Canadian Spaghetti company.

Tosapai
24-11-15, 23:12
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Salento
01-11-17, 02:23
I think Italians have made many great contributions to the world, like opera, beautiful art (Da Vinci, Michelangelo, etc), and more.However, many things that Italians claim as theirs are not theirs.Pizza was invented by the ancient Greeks. Columbus was Spanish:Pasta is not originally Italian:

Whatever you窶决e sniffing is really bad for You. Lose the Tinfoil hat!

davef
01-11-17, 07:43
The term pizza was first recorded in the 10th century, in a Latin manuscript from Gaeta in Central Italy.[1] Modern pizza was invented in Naples, Italy, and the dish and its variants have since become popular and common in many areas of the world.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza


This will hopefully melt the tin foil hat

Angela
01-11-17, 20:55
Pita...
https://i1.wp.com/kalofagas.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/IMG_2493-2.JPG?resize=480%2C331

Is not pizza...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O9xxv7ez_Ik/TGxGiPmF6hI/AAAAAAAAAg0/R7duaV1neYo/s1600/naples+pizza.jpg

Everyone wants to claim Columbus, except, of course, the Amerindians. Get in line.

The invention of noodles may have been Chinese, or maybe as two very old agricultural societies it was "convergent" discovery. Regardless, we have brought it to perfection. Last count, we have 350 different varieties.

http://www.italymagazine.com/dual-language/so-how-many-pasta-shapes-are-there

These are just a few:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Pastasorten3.JPG

http://www.knorr.de/Images/1022/1022-895028-noodles_1.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/64/0d/46640d5a54ed7833787efeeb181e3244--italian-food-recipes-italian-foods.jpg

Likewise, tomatoes came from the New World, but tomato sauce is Italian.

Find something else to ***** about.

Strudel
18-10-18, 13:10
In my view, Galileo is the greatest contribution to the world from Italy. How is he not on the list? At any rate, there are so many great contributions from Italy, it is hard to choose from among them. From your list, I would choose literature.