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Mycernius
16-05-05, 18:39
I posted this here because I think it is more European than entertainment type. This weekend sees the Eurovision Song Contest. Once more we can watch some really bad songs from all over Europe thrash it out in the Ukraine. There will be no surprises for the scoring, as Greece will give Cyprus 12 points and Cyprus will give Greece 12 points. All the Baltic countries will give points to each other and the same with the Balkan countries. Nobody will give many points to the UK because they all hate us and the winner will be the best dance act than singer.
Are the British the only ones who do not take this contest seriously? Italy got so upset about it that they don't take part anymore because they never won it. The Danish press hate Terry Wogan (Irish DJ who presents on BBC radio 2) because when it was held in Denmark he called the presenters, who did all their lines in rhymning couplets, Dr. Death and the Tooth Fairy. Surely the other European members on this forum do not take it seriously?

Sensuikan San
17-05-05, 02:56
Good Lord ! Is it still going ?

I never used to take it seriously when I lived "back 'ome" - used to think it was the biggest laugh since "Come Dancing" ....

.... then Abba won it .... ! (That blonde gal had the best backside in the business ! - sorry, ladies .... )

They didn't seem to do so badly after that ... !

Nostalgically ...

ジョン

miu
17-05-05, 20:32
I think it's pretty evident by just looking at the songs presented by Finland that we don't take it very seriously. Or that we just can't make any proper songs :p Finlande: zero point! :wave:

There are a couple of rules that almost always apply:
- the good song never wins
- the winner must have either an outrageous costume or several (changed in an outrageous manner and preferably accompanied by fireworks or something similar)
- the winning song must have a stupid hook that will stick on your mind for days

I have agreed to watch it the next time with my friend so that we'll save money from the "man, that REALLY sucks!" phone calls :blush:

Mycernius
22-05-05, 18:06
It's over for another year. The winner was Greece and the scoring was its usual vote for our friends. What gets me is that the Greeks and the Cypriots act so surprised every year when they give each other max points. Why? They do it every year and will continue doing so. At least there was no Nul Points this time. The French seem to sing in this dead european language as well? :D :D

Duo
22-05-05, 23:54
Those greeks fans are always booing the other contestants, so annoying and not cool at all, and always turkey gives them point and they give zero points bak, I was so very very very much annoyed when my stupid compatriots gave them 12 points, godddd, and those cypriots act like uhh greece, the best thing since democracy, etc etc, just so damm annoying i hope they get f***in last next year, and hmmmm yeah i dont get slavs giving each other points like that, like wtf, bosnia giving serbia all those points, weird weirdd....

The BBC commentator pist me off so much yesterday with his bs. saying about the albanian singer, "i'm sorry but I don't think anyone in Albania looks like that" like not that standardish european or watever, not as good and something of the like, I mean how does he ********* does he know what albanias look like, and tryin always to be witty and stuff, i hope they fire his stupid ass, sayin random **** like that, I remember him also makin some stupid comments like that,and last year i remember this old british presenter guy of the eurovision makin fun on jonathan ross of the when they would rehearse the songs from other countries and stuff and makin fun of like romania an slovenia and stuff, I mean wat is that, that's so racist, big superiority complex and everything, no offense to any brits out here, im sure ur all cool and everything but trust me when I say that can be so very annoying, anyways....... next year hopefully it will be better;)

Sensuikan San
23-05-05, 02:02
Aaah ! Yes ! Yes indeedy !

The European Union !

It's almost oxymoronic, isn't it ! :rolleyes:

Sorry to be a party pooper - but I just have to smile at things back there, now and again ! (I do have a slightly different view of the more serious aspects, of course !)

But, seriously .... WHO .... keeps coming up with all these original names that are prefixed with "Euro...." ? Hardly original (Although, I think "Eurovision" was the first...) .... seems to make all my British relatives roll around the floor !

... and ... as an adjective .... should it not be ... "Eurine...." ?

Sorry, folks !

ジョン

Duo
23-05-05, 10:40
Aaah ! Yes ! Yes indeedy !

The European Union !

It's almost oxymoronic, isn't it ! :rolleyes:

Sorry to be a party pooper - but I just have to smile at things back there, now and again ! (I do have a slightly different view of the more serious aspects, of course !)

But, seriously .... WHO .... keeps coming up with all these original names that are prefixed with "Euro...." ? Hardly original (Although, I think "Eurovision" was the first...) .... seems to make all my British relatives roll around the floor !




... and ... as an adjective .... should it not be ... "Eurine...." ?

Sorry, folks !

ジョン


How i it an oxymoron ?

What about the Airbus, or the Eu mission in Macedonia, and many other joint ventures, the Eurofighter for example.....

Europe is pretty much already on it's way to get fully incorporated in the EU

You think the EU is some big joke or smth ? Who do you think made the US remove their unfair steal tariffs? Who do you think is controlling textile exports in Europe so that Chinese ones dont flood the market?

Eurine ?!! that's ever so clever :okashii:

Do you have some issue with Europe or smth ?

I think the Euro names are great, what's your problem with them ?

If Britain don't like it, too bad, i don't get what Britain's problem is nowadays, still remaining distant, trying to be still important by themselves, thinking they can exert the same power as they used, well newsflash the British Empire is long gone and the Common wealth is nothing but a bunch of girly pacts such as the one to have the cricket world cup, hoahoahoahoahaohoa, the stupidest game ever, maybe Britain should stop being America's surrogate colony in Europe and step up to the task like the great European country that they are and should be.

RockLee
23-05-05, 11:11
How i it an oxymoron ?

What about the Airbus, or the Eu mission in Macedonia, and many other joint ventures, the Eurofighter for example.....

Europe is pretty much already on it's way to get fully incorporated in the EU

You think the EU is some big joke or smth ? Who do you think made the US remove their unfair steal tariffs? Who do you think is controlling textile exports in Europe so that Chinese ones dont flood the market?

Eurine ?!! that's ever so clever :okashii:

Do you have some issue with Europe or smth ?

I think the Euro names are great, what's your problem with them ?

If Britain don't like it, too bad, i don't get what Britain's problem is nowadays, still remaining distant, trying to be still important by themselves, thinking they can exert the same power as they used, well newsflash the British Empire is long gone and the Common wealth is nothing but a bunch of girly pacts such as the one to have the cricket world cup, hoahoahoahoahaohoa, the stupidest game ever, maybe Britain should stop being America's surrogate colony in Europe and step up to the task like the great European country that they are and should be.
hear hear ! :cool: I agree cricket is a dumb sport...well that is my personal opinion at least :) Also Britain thinks of itself more as America's ally than a country of the EU.It's maybe because that Blair guy is stuck up so far up Bush's ass and sucks up so hard he can be used as a turbine :D :?

Sensuikan San
23-05-05, 23:10
Nope, guys - (and don't get so irritated ... I was only pulling your legs a little anyway ...) however ... I don't have a problem with the EU. It's just that from my observation and conversation .... many people in Europe do!

I was merely smiling at the fact that people of all countries in The European Union are still (inevitably) retaining the usual and historical differences, prejudices, likes, and dislikes that they always have had. I think that this will be the case for many generations to come. For example:


Those greeks fans are always booing the other contestants, so annoying and not cool at all, and always turkey gives them point and they give zero points bak, I was so very very very much annoyed when my stupid compatriots gave them 12 points, godddd, and those cypriots act like uhh greece, the best thing since democracy, etc etc, just so damm annoying i hope they get f***in last next year, and hmmmm yeah i dont get slavs giving each other points like that, like wtf, bosnia giving serbia all those points, weird weirdd....

The BBC commentator pist me off so much yesterday with his bs. saying about the albanian singer, "i'm sorry but I don't think anyone in Albania looks like that" like not that standardish european or watever, not as good and something of the like, I mean how does he ********* does he know what albanias look like, and tryin always to be witty and stuff, i hope they fire his stupid ass, sayin random **** like that, I remember him also makin some stupid comments like that,and last year i remember this old british presenter guy of the eurovision makin fun on jonathan ross of the when they would rehearse the songs from other countries and stuff and makin fun of like romania an slovenia and stuff, I mean wat is that, that's so racist, big superiority complex and everything, no offense to any brits out here, im sure ur all cool and everything but trust me when I say that can be so very annoying, anyways....... next year hopefully it will be better;)

Fear not - there's nothing really threatening in this - it's normal ! (I have met Southerners from the US who still won't allow a blue suited guy into their homes !) It simply amuses me to see the slight irony of citizens of the New United Europe expressing the same feelings as in the "Old, Divided Europe"

But there is a more serious side to this. The attitude expressed in the quote above is a warning, I suggest, that all is not yet totally well in the EU. Old feelings die hard, and understandably so; until they are relegated to a lower shelf, or thrown away completely - I doubt that the EU will ever become the fully fledged "Nation" that it seeks to be.

I do most sincerely hope that it does. (I am a citizen of the EU - I am British and I loathe cricket with a passion - one of the reasons why I left the UK many years ago !)

Finally - with regard to the "Euro" names .... I still think they are a total laugh, ridiculous and totally without imagination .....

So, sue me !

Regards,

ジョン

Duo
23-05-05, 23:46
Nope, guys - (and don't get so irritated ... I was only pulling your legs a little anyway ...) however ... I don't have a problem with the EU. It's just that from my observation and conversation .... many people in Europe do!

I was merely smiling at the fact that people of all countries in The European Union are still (inevitably) retaining the usual and historical differences, prejudices, likes, and dislikes that they always have had. I think that this will be the case for many generations to come. For example:



Fear not - there's nothing really threatening in this - it's normal ! (I have met Southerners from the US who still won't allow a blue suited guy into their homes !) It simply amuses me to see the slight irony of citizens of the New United Europe expressing the same feelings as in the "Old, Divided Europe"

But there is a more serious side to this. The attitude expressed in the quote above is a warning, I suggest, that all is not yet totally well in the EU. Old feelings die hard, and understandably so; until they are relegated to a lower shelf, or thrown away completely - I doubt that the EU will ever become the fully fledged "Nation" that it seeks to be.

I do most sincerely hope that it does. (I am a citizen of the EU - I am British and I loathe cricket with a passion - one of the reasons why I left the UK many years ago !)

Finally - with regard to the "Euro" names .... I still think they are a total laugh, ridiculous and totally without imagination .....

So, sue me !

Regards,

ジョン


Hm well you make a good point, but as always there are two sides to an issue. If you read carefully my post I'm just stating how things are, the fans were annoying very, and greece didn't reciprocate the points bak to the countries who give it to them like turkey and albania.

Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that I don't get along with greeks, i have had a couple of very good greek friends, never had any trouble, if you actually see the people of the balkan socialize together outside of it they are very similar and get along pretty good, there are only stupid old stereotypes that keep on bustin down a bit relations. But this is something that's still present and well is a good laugh at times, we use it from time to time to get our point across and what not, like Britons makin fun of french or vice versa, such anectodes won't dissapear, yet with the EU encompassing the regions together, things will get better, i mean look i'm not saying that europe will be united in 10 years or even 50 like right away, but we are on the right path, and I do like the cultural differences in Europe, I like the flavor of ethinic jokes and the little tensions, is what gives Europe the characterstics that it has, what makes it versatile, flamboyant, exiting, exotic, neurotic, erotic, ufff, so many adjectives, it's just great, life is made of little things like this, when you begin to enjoy the differences like that from culture and customs of different countries and you can savor them and make fun and what not with others it gives you such a grasp on how good it is to have the chance to experience these things.

The EU won't be a union that will try to create a homogenous culture, the EU will create a standardized economy, political guideline, and European beuracracy that will run things in local prospectives yet still maintaing the European goal. I've had the chance to travel a bit in Europe, learn different cultures, meet different people and I see great many similarites and tasteful differences, differences that make us special and unique, it would be by no way fun if Frenchmen started to be like Englishmen and vice versa........ and that doesn't mean that they can't enjoy the good things about each other.


I truly loathe Euro skeptics like the UKIP because they are people of an prior mentality and of an absurd old obsolete world understanding, sorry for any of you out there, but I feel that people should always try to look at the future and try to improve things, not try to maintain a status quo and be afraid of trying something daring that can have great benefits or put weird stupid small natitonal interests in front of something greater and better, i mean y are so mean european leaders in favor the EU, people with the skill, capability, knowledge, intellectual prowness, foresight, good judgment and what not in favor of this Union? Because the rational mind has realized that together us, Europeans, who share history, blood, customs and culture together well, we belong together, not under one homogenous society, but under one governing system that benefits cooperation and allows us to retain our distinctive identies and allows us to grow further ;)

uffffff that was a lot, :blush:

Sensuikan San
23-05-05, 23:55
Y'Know, Duo ..

I couldn't agree more !

Well said !

Regards,

ジョン

smoke
25-05-05, 14:03
Its one of those shows that is crap...and you watch the whole thing complaining about it...but you still watch it!

Miss_apollo7
25-05-05, 19:10
(..). The Danish press hate Terry Wogan (Irish DJ who presents on BBC radio 2) because when it was held in Denmark he called the presenters, who did all their lines in rhymning couplets, Dr. Death and the Tooth Fairy. Surely the other European members on this forum do not take it seriously?

I don't know about the Danish press hating Terry Wogan. I think most of the Danish population don't even know who Terry is. I am sure the Danish press doesn't hold a grudge.

I watched the show while I lived in England, and I thought his comments were so funny calling the hosts Dr. Death and the Toothfairy...:D Terry Wogan always makes me laugh, as he has a funny sense of humour and his one-liners and punchlines are so my taste!!

sgt. Pepper
28-05-05, 01:28
I watch it sometimes... i didn't bother this time though. It's really bad... but still fun to watch. :P

lolife
04-06-05, 06:43
Not really interested, but I saw a little from it this year.. Not my kind of music at all, although Ukraine last year was both pretty good and had a cool show. I also really liked Irelands 'The Voice' (1996 was it?).

Sweden ended up way down this year, although that was expected. But I still couldn't for the life of me choose any one song of those I saw this year as the better one. They sucked. All of them. But on the more amusing side - Helena Paparizou (who performed Greece's winning song) grew up in my home town.

Traitor.

:-)

Oh, and a little note on the side.. Why is Israel in the Eurovision?

:okashii:

zentachi
07-06-05, 02:27
First of all i am Greek.
I want to say that Greece gives 12 to Cyprus and Cyprus 12 to Greece because we still believe we are one country (as it was before the turkish invasion in that Greek island).I am sure if a part of Albania was occupied by some other country and then forced to be independent you would do the same thing.So we wont ever stop giving Cyprus 12 points even if they have the worst song ever.

Sorry Duo that we dont give points to our neighbors but you know something,apart from the points we exchange with Cyprus we vote for the best song and not for the country that gave us points.We were very glad takig 12 from Albania and Turkey and i can say me and my friends watching the contest we were very suprised.We thought that even if we had the best song just because of your bad feelings you wouldnt vote for us (as you said yourself would).Thank you for wishing us to f.... up next year.Be sure that we will organize the best Eurovision contest (as we did with the Olympics).I saw how nice are your compatriots during the first football match when greek national team came in Albania.They gathered from the first moment the greek team came there and booing and making stuff all the time.That didnt happened when your team came here.No one went to their hotel to boo them or move against them.Maybe thats a cultural difference.Maybe not.I dont say greeks are angels.I just saw an ironic feeling from you towards Greece and i really dont know why!
Oh and something else when we saw the Albanian singer (me and some friends) we all stayed with our mouths opened and watched her.I am starting liking Albania a little after that.(just kidding,i dont have anything against albanian people,in fact i have neighbors from there and we have no problem :) ) And that neighbors where also glad Greece won.Maybe you should ask them if they like and why Greece.


Lolife you are swedish right?You have born from swedish parents.If you grew up in Greece and when you were old enought returned to your country to represent them in a contest does that make you traitor? (dont forget Helena is greek after all,both parents greek and just grew up in Sweden)
If she was a boy and Greece and Sweden had war which army would she joined? (lol that wont happen ever,we love Sweden!)

In an interview in Greece Helena said that she feel bad because she grew up in Sweden but represented Greece in Eurovision,but she pointed that she would love to do something to please Sweden because she like it.

Take care all and dont forget is a song contest.By the way i would love to listen the songs in their native language and not in english even if i wouldnt understand them!

lolife
07-06-05, 03:26
Woah, hold your horses. Was just noting the fact she grew up in my town, where I live. It's a small world, and all that. I'm not holding it against her or anything! Didn't you notice the smiley, right after 'traitor'?

You got no humor.

:-) :D

zentachi
07-06-05, 03:32
didnt you noticed my lol?
hehe i am also kidding :)
i know you were joking and so i was (thats why i told about army and things like that :P)

Miss_apollo7
08-06-05, 22:37
I didn't watch it this year, however, my friend, who tapes all the shows and buys all the the CDs loves it...He is gay and collects tapes, CDs (weird I know).
It is because he studies their clothing and dance steps..:D The common joke in Denmark is that if you are a guy and love watching the Eurovision and record it- you must be gay...My friend is one of my best friends, and he is a BIG Eurovision fan...

Duo
13-06-05, 02:52
First of all i am Greek.
I want to say that Greece gives 12 to Cyprus and Cyprus 12 to Greece because we still believe we are one country (as it was before the turkish invasion in that Greek island).I am sure if a part of Albania was occupied by some other country and then forced to be independent you would do the same thing.So we wont ever stop giving Cyprus 12 points even if they have the worst song ever.

That's a great attitude. I'm sure you're very happy that now you can be together with the Greek Cypriot side in the EU together.



Sorry Duo that we dont give points to our neighbors but you know something,apart from the points we exchange with Cyprus we vote for the best song and not for the country that gave us points.We were very glad takig 12 from Albania and Turkey and i can say me and my friends watching the contest we were very suprised.We thought that even if we had the best song just because of your bad feelings you wouldnt vote for us (as you said yourself would).


Sorry but this year and also last yaer we keep givin you the full points. And with Turkey it was the same last year as well, I remeber watching it with my turkish friend and I was teasin him on how they didn't give us the point, and like last year this year as well Greece hardly ever gives points to Turkey.



Thank you for wishing us to f.... up next year.Be sure that we will organize the best Eurovision contest (as we did with the Olympics).


The Olympicsss? If I'm not mistaken the deadline was barely met and you even imported German workers to finish up the necessary stuff, and in one of the major stadium there couldn't even be air conditioning, well anyways good luck with the Eurovision.



I saw how nice are your compatriots during the first football match when greek national team came in Albania.They gathered from the first moment the greek team came there and booing and making stuff all the time.That didnt happened when your team came here.No one went to their hotel to boo them or move against them.Maybe thats a cultural difference.Maybe not.I dont say greeks are angels.I just saw an ironic feeling from you towards Greece and i really dont know why!


Hey, I never said we were any angels, I'm the first one to admit that we from the Balkans have certain issues we just can't seem to shake off.
Heh, yeah exept when our under 21 team played some greek fans burned our flag, but oh well..........



Oh and something else when we saw the Albanian singer (me and some friends) we all stayed with our mouths opened and watched her.I am starting liking Albania a little after that.(just kidding,i dont have anything against albanian people,in fact i have neighbors from there and we have no problem :) ) And that neighbors where also glad Greece won. Maybe you should ask them if they like and why Greece.


Well maybe because they live in Greece and want to integrate, but that's just a random guess. Of course poor old them have to repress the fact that an Albanian citizen can never become a Greek citizen, but hey s**t happens.

I wonder why that is though ? Maybe you could provide with a bit of explanation behind that kind of thinking. I mean if you have someone work and live in your contry legally for a long amount a time and speak the language and integrate, why can't they be citizens ? Doesn't seem very European and in sync with the other countries of the EU.

Hey, i have no problems with greeks, I have had and have some very good greek friends; we always get along no problem and very well, but I do have a problem with the Greek government and with the Greek way to show nationalism. I mean does it ever make you think that Greece doesn't get along so good with any of its consecutive neighbours; you have problems with Turks, with us, and with macedonia; and only with Bulgaria you get along ok, but that's because they also don't like Turks. I feel that being the only EU member in the balkan so far, Greece should step up and be a model to follow, not maintain old petty feuds and what not and use the EU at times to boss around its smaller neighbours and implent discriminatory laws and tactics against people of different ethnicities.

Yokan
26-06-06, 11:45
I think it's pretty evident by just looking at the songs presented by Finland that we don't take it very seriously. Or that we just can't make any proper songs :p Finlande: zero point! :wave:
There are a couple of rules that almost always apply:
- the good song never wins
- the winner must have either an outrageous costume or several (changed in an outrageous manner and preferably accompanied by fireworks or something similar)
- the winning song must have a stupid hook that will stick on your mind for days
I have agreed to watch it the next time with my friend so that we'll save money from the "man, that REALLY sucks!" phone calls :blush:

Finland won! :D

LearningSign
15-09-09, 20:14
I love Vivva La Diva from Israel!! :)

LeeAnn
08-06-10, 15:25
Eurovision sucks this year!
Just look who won! That's awful song, awful voice and awful dance

Starship
09-06-10, 14:39
Eurovision sucks this year!
Just look who won! That's awful song, awful voice and awful dance


Yeah but she looked great:grin:

russul
01-11-10, 17:20
i liked the song from begium this year :)

DejaVu
14-05-11, 12:40
i liked the song from begium this year :)

Eurovision song contest 1990 - Philippe Lafontaine (Belgium) - Macテゥdomienne (My Macedonian woman)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD3t7p00XiY

Translation:

My Macedonian woman

When she cries, it's the whole Adriatic
Who breaks out in her eyes
When she sleeps, it's not far from Ohrid
She dreams on the edge of the beautiful blue lakes
I see her again, a little girl on bare feet
With rain in her hair
In her house, on the earthen floor
She has left the illusions of all her games

Which she wants to keep to herself
She has the charm of Macedonian women
It's vital that I love her, that I hold her
Whatever you may do or think
But she is more beautiful
Those who don't believe me, let them come
They will see how much I have and that she is mine
You can shout, you can cry, you can laugh
But certainly not at her

When she sleeps, it's at the bottom of the hill
That she does with my body what she wants to
She's a sunflower that emigrated into the vines
In the middle of the arid and making flames of any fire
A gipsy(rom) cry hidden in her murmurs
She lives love without denial
When she fights from the top of her wounds
She pretends everything
She mocks the gods

Too many desire her
She has the charm of Macedonian women
It's vital that I love her, that I hold her
Whatever you may do or think
But she is more beautiful
Those who don't believe me let them come
They will see how much I have and that she is mine
You can shout, you can cry, you can laugh
But certainly not at her.

Reinaert
14-05-11, 14:26
Let's just call it Eurovision Trash Contest.

I don't take it serious, for years and years already.

In The Netherlands there is a lot of music talent, but "democracy" decides what artists go to the Contest.
And that's why it's always a lot of nothing. No quality.
Talented artists don't necessarily have to be the darlings of the majority of the public.

It's like cooking Chili con carne. It should have lots beef in it, and be hot and spicy.
And only a little bit of beans.
Look what supermarkets sell... What the public asks for.
It isn't hot nor spicy, it has a lot of beans (cheap).
And they even suggest you to add chicken meat!!!! :vomitting:

Vallicanus
14-05-11, 17:26
The contest is a joke.:bored::bored::bored:

edao
15-05-11, 13:00
Are you seriously telling me no one actually watched the show?

Best 'Euro Pop' song of the night was.....Sweden!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-OjwrJtRr0

As with most things the Scandinavians seem to be very good at this kind of thing, Finland and Norway recent winners.

I have to say on a negative note I thought the show on a whole was a clear illustration of the effect of Americanisation on Europe. The standards each contestants are trying to emmulate are those set by the American pop industry. There were far fewer Euro dance anthem or the more crazy entries that you would have seen in the past. The winning song was so anglo-american in sound it could easily be played on radio here without anyone batting an eyelid as to its origin. Whether this cultural realignment is a good or bad thing I don't know.

Winner very 'anglo-american'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qimiNmQsSs

I was glad to see Moldova keeping the spirit of Eurovision alive :laughing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFKhRAcAUMQ

Only in Europe!

Vallicanus
15-05-11, 13:20
Is Azerbaijan really part of Europe?:confused2:

Mzungu mchagga
15-05-11, 16:03
Are you seriously telling me no one actually watched the show?

Best 'Euro Pop' song of the night was.....Sweden!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-OjwrJtRr0

As with most things the Scandinavians seem to be very good at this kind of thing, Finland and Norway recent winners.

I have to say on a negative note I thought the show on a whole was a clear illustration of the effect of Americanisation on Europe. The standards each contestants are trying to emmulate are those set by the American pop industry. There were far fewer Euro dance anthem or the more crazy entries that you would have seen in the past. The winning song was so anglo-american in sound it could easily be played on radio here without anyone batting an eyelid as to its origin. Whether this cultural realignment is a good or bad thing I don't know.

Winner very 'anglo-american'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qimiNmQsSs

I was glad to see Moldova keeping the spirit of Eurovision alive :laughing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFKhRAcAUMQ

Only in Europe!

Add to this that the composer of the Azerbaijani song was a Swede :laughing:
But you are right, nowadays it is hardly distinguishable from the MTV-Awards. The winner's song sounded like a mixture out of Rihanna and Coldplay. The Moldovan artists always reminded me a little of the early Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Valmir
15-05-11, 20:40
Can someone tell me why is Azerbaijan and Israel in Eurovision?

Carlitos
15-05-11, 20:50
It is true that the Eurovision Song Contest has gone beyond the simple television phenomenon, the fact that Israel and other non-European countries to compete in Eurovision should be based on relations between the European television stations with those of other non European countries, and that in turn cause surprised that transcends the merely Eurovision TV is like the snake biting its tail, what was before the chicken or the egg?

By the way here in Spain for years has been rumored to be TVE not want to win the Eurovision Song Contest, is the inference we draw from recent issues TVE being sent to the festival, yesterday was the poor girl Galician third from bottom, no surprise with a topic as stupid as that represented us.

Mzungu mchagga
15-05-11, 21:21
Can someone tell me why is Azerbaijan and Israel in Eurovision?

Because this show is hosted by EBU, the European Broadcasting Union. Here you can see the members of the the union:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/EBU_Member.svg/800px-EBU_Member.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/EBU_Member.svg)

Theoretically, also North African countries like Libya or Egypt could participate.

edao
15-05-11, 21:23
In the 1950s, as a war-torn Europe rebuilt itself, the European Broadcasting Union (EBU)窶巴ased in Switzerland窶敗et up an ad-hoc committee to search for ways of bringing together the countries of the EBU around a "light entertainment programme".
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest)

Membership of the EBU goes beyond that of Europe as you can see on this map. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EBU_Member.svg)

The contest is meant to be a bit of fun bringing people together, I wouldn't get too caught up in the title, it's kind of missing the point.

Carlitos
15-05-11, 22:15
Like some exotic country participating in Eurovision, winning Isrrael with abanibテュ a boebテゥ, means : te quiero amor, was a success, it is interesting and gives a touch of color and unity among peoples, for that reason be great if our youth could hear the different languages and not a singing festival in its 99% in English subject that standardizes and impoverishes the festival. We have a national language Spanish and internationally, and our children are all South Americans looking on with eyes wide open and we can not sing in English, would be disappointing for our children and ourselves.

Brett142
06-06-11, 04:52
I think it's so funny how seriously some countries take the competition, considering it's where good music goes to die. I switched it off after 3 songs this year, because I simply couldn't take any more!

And yeah, it's just really annoying all of the politically motivated voting, it's one of the many reasons that the UK does not take it seriously, that and the fact that the UK have a long established history of making worldwide popular, good music.

cycle
25-02-12, 11:35
Here are a few bits of gossip about Eurovision 2012.

Arrgghh. - Jedward will be representing Ireland again.

Bizzarre - Austrian band Trackshittaz will perform Woki mit deim Popo

Pretty boys - Belarus will be represented by Litesound singing We are the heros.

Its all shaping up to be another missable episode of love thy neighbour

Carlos
25-02-12, 15:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TivWt_XhHvY

This year the young Andalusian represent Spain in Eurovision is called Pastora Soler. The song is not already selected.

Carlos
21-03-12, 23:25
Spain already has song for Eurovision. A great song, better voice, do not be impressed by the unpresentable Euphoria, or old age redido fall on stage, it is not their grandmothers, are elderly women equally unknown.

It is a festival of song, if they have no voice, eliminate them. A word to the small countries of the East: Please watch the fireworks, the stage can get hot! and believe me in the West is unlikely to be surprised and almost anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7y1pvW60ng

Carlos
23-05-12, 01:23
2012 Remember that Eurovision is a festival of song, not a grotesque euphoria festival or a party of amateurs in a nursing home and decide their vote and if they find a better option than Pastora Soler, vote, although I do not think are.

http://www.solomirar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pastora-Soler-Eurovisi%C3%B3n-e1331118889489.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8oJOo1nJ0Y

edao
27-05-12, 15:53
Congratulations Sweden!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz2s7IXXojk

Carlos
27-05-12, 20:37
Congratulations, Sweden and Russia first second, as predicted from the first day, the winning song may well have been a film soundtrack in any of 007, of 1979, perhaps? although it is late at least has come in time for Eurovision. Spain will continue to send voices and quality issues thus making an excellent representation and thereby exposing the back room of the European Festival of no-Song.

Haustor
28-05-12, 09:51
Pastora Soler was IMO the best and should have won. I remeber thinking that German guy (Roman Lob) should not even bother going on stage after her as he does not have much of a voice or song but then he finished in better place than her.

I am glad that Bosnia gave Pastora 5 points (should have been more) but find it disturbing that 24 countries gave her nothing.

Haustor
28-05-12, 09:51
Here is her performance in Grand Final:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8J1b62wOao

Cimmerianbloke
29-05-12, 00:00
It seems the contest is losing a lot of its kitsch, that was its trademark for so long. In the good old days, a bunch of friends of mine used to meet and give our own marks, all in a wash-out of national drinks (my Belgian roots being very appreciated by my fellows emptying the St Feuillein...). That is about the amount credit you can give to this lame contest... the European Football championship will hopefully be more interesting...

Carlos
02-06-12, 02:02
Pastora Soler was IMO the best and should have won. I remeber thinking that German guy (Roman Lob) should not even bother going on stage after her as he does not have much of a voice or song but then he finished in better place than her.

I am glad that Bosnia gave Pastora 5 points (should have been more) but find it disturbing that 24 countries gave her nothing.

Days prior to the contest Pastora Soler in a radio interview and said he knew he would not win the contest, referring no doubt to the other interests other than the prevailing in Eurovision song. But what is surprising is the amount of poor quality issues that have been in a better position than Pastora Soler and it's something obvious, or better yet, to the ear.

how yes no 3
02-06-12, 22:00
Days prior to the contest Pastora Soler in a radio interview and said he knew he would not win the contest, referring no doubt to the other interests other than the prevailing in Eurovision song. But what is surprising is the amount of poor quality issues that have been in a better position than Pastora Soler and it's something obvious, or better yet, to the ear.

nations with large emigration such as Serbs, Turks, Albanians, Romanians typically go better on voting than others.... next are countries with big minority in neighbouring countries.... not many people from Spain live abroad....

but its not just that... there are good songs that do not pass for average people voting....there is also regional similarity in tastes...


i would mention songs of Slovakia and Switzerland that didnot pass semi-finals but were better than most songs that entered the finals..

Slovakia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxaJxyj7DA

how yes no 3
02-06-12, 22:01
Switzerland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yX1dIK9vuc

btw. why is there limit to single video per post?
at least 2 should be allowed

StevenEvans
17-05-18, 11:29
This also happens in football where teams from countries, including Israel, that are geographically in Asia are allowed to enter the European Champions League.

However, on Eurovision, here's the 'offical' line:

"Eligibility to participate is not determined by geographic inclusion within the continent of Europe, despite the "Euro" in "Eurovision" 窶 nor has it anything to do with the European Union. This explains the inclusion of Israel in the Contest, despite its not being a part of geographical or political Europe. In 1980, Morocco 窶 a North African country 窶 participated in the Contest"

Basically, just because a competition has Euro in the title doesn't mean that only countries actually in the continent of Europe can enter!

Lets hope some more metal monsters like Lordi win again this year!!