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smurf
28-08-05, 03:21
A lot of the people that I know are racist and it's really starting to bother me. I used to try to ignore it but lately it seems like it's been getting worse. So I'm wondering, what do you guys think about racism and the people that are racist?

Mycernius
28-08-05, 12:47
I dislike rascism. Basing someone on the colour of their skin/religion/ sexual orientation without even getting to know them smacks of ignorance and stupidity. There are differnet types of racism I have encountered. The ones who say "I hate " yet will still happily go to the shops run by the people they hate, or like a certain celebrity because thet make them laugh or enjoy their films. I call that convienient rascism.
The others are the real rascist. They hate different people and see them as inferior and sub-human. These ones are the real problem in the world, especially if they are in positions of power. This is real rascism.
Incidently, I can remember seeing a programme on BBC2 once called [I]Louis Therouxs Weird Weekends where he went to meet some right wing extremists in the US. When he asked one of them which shows he like Mister extremist said he liked a 70s British sitcom called Are You Being Served?
When questioned about the character Mr. Humpreys, a very camp character, the idiot said he didn't like him, but the show was great. :clueless: Ignorance and stupidity at its finest.

Dutch Baka
28-08-05, 13:14
Rascism.... it is there, and it will always stay there!!! i dislike it, and when somebody says rascist things from people around me i always tell them they should act normal.. i think it will always be, and always was.. its ****** up, but yeah thats the world sometimes isnt?

for myself i havnt had an rascist things, but i am sure i will get it when i am in japan as a minnority of the poppulation, i think i should just let it go, cause i know the people that are rascist are people that are well yeah... poor minded people!

there will always be a group that have rascisme against them. before it where the black now the moslims, and then the dutch, and then the americans... what do you do about it?? whats the cure against rascime? please everybody act normal, think about other there feelings, and place yourself in there position, and stop thinking that everybody is the same, if 1 dutch guy is a thief, it doesnt mean all dutch are thiefs,, hope people will think about this.. but yeah... there will always be rascisme.

den4
28-08-05, 19:00
although I dislike racism, and I agree with dutch that it has always been there, something else to think about is that "if" it has always been there, then perhaps it is also a "normal" pattern of behavior for humans, although something that is now unacceptable as a social norm.

racism nowadays tends to be a problem that is similar to "the grass is greener in the neighbor's yard" scenario, where a mixture of envy/hate/fear tend to make the person/persons behave in a manner that can become an obsession, and when in large groups can result in mob behavior.

modern day racists are "sometimes" more sophisticated than their ancestors, where they follow the society's guidelines or laws to promote their own agenda, within the acceptable rules, but still exploiting their envy/hatred/fear of others.

but I think in the past, racism was a mechanism for self-preservation, in a time when the "outsider" was a potential enemy of the group, village, town or tribe. Skin color wasn't so much a factor as their "outsider-ness" or "alien-ness." Japan is a good example of this xenophobia trait, because you will notice that during the days before the Shogunate took power, each prefecture has their own dialect, used to preserve their uniqueness and to keep an eye out for the "foreigners" that wanted to infiltrate their group...at least that is one theory I have heard on why each prefecture had it's own unique dialect, and the seeming obsession Japan has with its "groups" and "inner circles" of friends and the like...

sad to see that this me vs them concept is still alive and well elsewhere in the world, when it comes to religion or politics....especially in the middle east...

one fact that appears to be still true is that despite the advancement of science and technology in the world, the people using that science and technology still haven't advanced beyond their own petty/greedy/self-centered/arrogant status... :(

I think that the fools and idiots in society are currently the "norm" and only the ones that strive to improve themselves and their lot in life are the abby-normal ones :D

people just have such a hard time with change...especially once they get into their comfort modes and become mentally and physically lazy... :D

den4
28-08-05, 19:26
not that I'm Jewish, but I did find this link from a friend who is, and it talks about the survivors of one of the worst examples of ethnic cleansing:
http://www.vhf.org/
sad thing is that there are people about nowadays that are still in denial that people can do horrible things to each other. some folks are in denial that the Holocaust ever happened, and there are even some ignorant ones that deny the bombs ever were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.... :?
then there are the more recent denials, like the ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia, or Cambodia, Africa, and perhaps in the middle east...

and the worst of all are the ones that deny the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists! :D
It seems to be doing quite well after its inception! :D
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/22/free_fsm_sticker_to_.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/22/flying_spaghetti_mon.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/23/fsm_flotsam.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/25/fsm_give_us_this_day.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/26/why_dry_spaghetti_al.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/26/fsm_roundup_sc_schoo.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/26/jim_leftwichs_flying.html

some people have too much free time :D

Ma Cherie
29-08-05, 05:00
Racism most of the time stems from ignorance. People who are racist usually make comments about why they're racist towards a paticular group has stereotypical veiws about that racial group. You could hear a racist say something "Well, I hate blacks cause they're all a bunch of criminals" or something like that or something.

I don't like racism, but it seems that people have to find reasons not to like someone. :okashii:

No-name
29-08-05, 06:31
Racism is so pervasive in the United States, it is pretty hard to determine what is harmful and what could be done about this. Overt bigotry is definitely out, but lots of diverse and otherwise well balanced people carry arround the old stereotypes and prejudices. It shows up in several ways like traffic stops and arrests, housing and poverty- education and employment. It seems like right now we like to close our eyes and pretend it doesn't exist, especially at the institutional level.

HomicidalMouse
29-08-05, 19:36
My dad thinks anyone thats not a white christian is a criminal. Until he meets them when they suddenly become the nicest people hes ever met. And it annoys me so much that he cant see past a skin colour or religion. To him if a white guy did something wrong, hes just stupid, but if a black/muslim/chinese guy did something wrong, its because he's black/muslim/chinese. It drives me mad. I dont understand how someone can hate someone they've never met because of their race.

lexico
29-08-05, 20:16
If I may be excused to briefly digress into expanding on racism:

I remember watching a history channel talk on Hitler's personal fondness for women and children. I am not talking about womanising or pedophilia, but about Hitler's genuine love for these two groups of people. The show said that he was able to bond emotionally with them because he did not feel threantened, and that he could be the sweetest person on earth. But the show was not sympathising with Hitler and his ideas, or trying to defend Hitler by emphasising his good side.

I think there is a difference between

1) being one with a bad personality,
2) being one with racist ideas (or discriminatory or genocidal ideas),
3) being one who talks like a racist (a discriniator or a genocide), and
4) being one who practices racism (or discrimination or genocide).

I could say the average hard-working, tax-paying, church-going, bible-reading, good-natured, "conscientious," white US citizen of the period 1854-1864 had "good" personalities, and got along quite fine with other whites. But it took only the following two factors to reduce the Yuki Indian population by 94%-98.5% in the ten year period, from 5,000-20,000 to 300. The two factors were

5) the idea that a Yuki and a white man were not equals
6) they were competing for the same piece of land in California.

I think that is one good example that we should be more concerned with ideas that are racist, discriminatory, or genocidal rather than the behaviour themselves, eventhough words and behaviour are often the result of having such ideas. We really need to bash racism and related ideas hard every chance we get to weed them out. We need to excercise zero-tolerance towards them; but since discrimination has been with us for so long (as den4 so aptly put) it is necessary to talk it out in every possible configuration to make sure there is no mistake in overcoming our natural tendency to become discriminatory. Our naturally occurring ideas of discrimination can and will kill if left untreated.

smoke
29-08-05, 20:36
Where i live racism has existed for as long as i can remember. A lot of racism stems from the older generations seeing asian families getting benefits and coming into 'our country' and taking 'our housing'...this, unfortunately, passes on to younger generations and the cycle continues. People say there are different forms of racism/prejudice but something i heard somes it up.
"Being prejudice is like being pregnant, you either are or you aren't. You can't be a little bit of either."
Ultimately discrimination of any sort stems from ignorance and without ignorant people learning of the stupidty of being prejudice...nothing will change. Unfortunately it's usually up to those of us that aren't ignorant to 'teach' people the error of thier ways. So Smurf, don't ignore your friends comments and don't tolerate them. by doing nothing they will continue to make racist comments and it is something that will go on forever. stand up for what you believe is right!
A lot of people forget that racism works both ways.
If 15 white kids beat up a black kid...it's a racially motivated attack.
If 15 black kids beat up a white kid...it's not a racially motivated attack (at least, its not reported as one by the media).

It'll be interesting to see if anyone here has racist views (although i doubt it) and how much they are prosecuted for it by other members.

Where do you draw the line between racism and freedom of speech/beliefs?

den4
29-08-05, 22:04
sometimes people have a hard time distinguishing discrimination from racism...
and at other times, people have a hard time discriminating fact from myth...
then there are those that are the professional victims that portray themselves as the victims of some past wrong (whether real or imagined) and attempt to scam off media attention just to get attention/sympathy...there are a lot of parasites in the world...
perhaps some of the racists are in the latter category, too, disguised as one of the minorities... :?

lexico
29-08-05, 22:19
O, those two are different, but essentially related deep, deep down inside if one thinks about it analytically. ;-)
What do you think about the Jewish Holocaust matter ? Some people who are not denialists are claiming that it's been overly publicised ? Do you think that is also a case of exploitation, or exaggeration ?
What do think about Steven T. Katz' claim that the Jewish Holocaust is unique, and that the Amer-Indian genocide should not be compared to it ?
Do you think the Amer-Indian genocide was blown out of proportion by alarmists with a different agenda ?

den4
29-08-05, 22:51
methinks each group has its own agenda, even if they claim they do not. comparisons are a human trait, and it will always happen for good or ill.
some aspects of the Holocaust can be over publicized, but then humans, as Merlin says, in the movie "Excalibur," are doomed to forget, so chances are the Jewish folks are making sure that people don't forget...and yet, by over emphasizing it, they probably desensitize the population, and this could also be a bad thing...
balance is the key....
people need to find the right keyhole that unlocks this balance...
exploitation or exaggeration is always in the eyes of the beholder...
as is with victims and the perpetrators that commit the crimes....
people are the problem....
always has been
always will be
life is probably easier as a brain eating sea squirt.... :D

lexico
30-08-05, 18:15
Hmm, I see some frustrated voices that seem to come from reverse-discrimination. This needs to studied with close attention for two reasons.

1. reverse-racism is also racism; can lead to conflicts and deaths (more like murders and massacres)

2. reverse-racism can be a convenient excuse for racial attacks which is nothing other than conventional racism.

Serbs were massacred earlier, and retaliated in reverse racism. One might argue that a preventive remedy was lacking while nationalism added fuel. Shall we erase history to obliteration so no one would remember of the past ?

Cases when genocide ceased to become a stockpile of explosives: The Tasmanian Genocide was so successful that no one was left to get back. Roughly identical with Amer-Indians. Two strange lessons in history that is also bad influence for sure.

lexico
31-08-05, 04:58
You harbour some ideas that can be interptreted as "dangerous" ideas, den4. Let me point out a few.
some aspects of the Holocaust can be over publicized, but then humans, as Merlin says, in the movie "Excalibur," are doomed to forget, so chances are the Jewish folks are making sure that people don't forget.So you do think the Jewish Holocaust issue was justly publicised. Then do you think the AmerIndian genocide, the AfroAmerican genocide, the Armenian genocide, the genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo, Stalin's genocide, Pol Pot's genocide, the Algerian genocide, the genocide in the Belgian Congo, the Indonesian genocide of the East Timori, the Tibetan genocide, and the Chinese Genocide do not deserve attention because you think the Holocaust was uniquely deserving to be remembered, but the others not ?
..and yet, by over emphasizing it, they probably desensitize the population, and this could also be a bad thing...
balance is the key....
people need to find the right keyhole that unlocks this balance...But discussing it (actually responding to deflective measures) is not wanted... long before a balance is reached ??? This is not friendly to the Jewish either.
exploitation or exaggeration is always in the eyes of the beholder...
as is with victims and the perpetrators that commit the crimes....Danger:

You suddenly move the topic into relativism where the clear distinction between aggressor and victim is confused ? How so ? The international laws against war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide were created to bring the perps to justice; according to Raphael Lemkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin) (1900-1959), a Jewish Pole and founder of genocide law who lost 39 members in his extended family in the Holocaust, the only way to prevent genocide was through punishment by law. But you prefer to glide it over, and ambiguate. I believe your kind of view can be the result of at least three different possible origins.

1. one Jewish idea that states the Jewish Holocaust was unique, and that no other genocide [could/should] come(s) close to it.

2. sympathising tendency of genocide perpetrating regimes, individuals, and ideas for a personal reason such as being a former Nazi member fleeing the law or harbouring neo-Nazi ideas or the like

3. reaction to reverse-racism

4. I don't carism

Kinsao
31-08-05, 12:36
I am very late to this thread and there is a lot to read :mad: but... I can't stand racism, and that's final.

I can understand some of the reasons behind it as people have so well expressed. But I still think it is just blinkered and plain stupid. Unbelievably stupid in fact. :okashii:

L.D.Brousse
10-03-12, 18:55
I think most racism today stems from the Fact Europe and America seem to be hell bent on allowing our enemies free citizenship at our expense. With the economical situation around the globe I think immigration should be halted until every European and American has a job and then only allow those with a skill that can provide a living for their family in. In America a new immigrant can get a 10 year tax break and loan subsidy's to start a business but a native born American can not. I judge a man by his actions not by race

Chevalier
29-08-12, 19:55
I was subject to racism.
let me tell you, it depends on their background.
first I was little hurt, but soon found out, those people are from behind mountains (literally) and knows and never encounter such "specie" ... rarely they see far east look around.
and it's just that place, most of country is aware of variety of looks. also the fact that, Turkmens are half yellow-half white...my dad looks Mediterranean, my mom looks so and so does my bro, yet I was born with far east look, my uncle have looks of a german and so her daughter was born with such look and it's crazy, you can't foretell the appearance, just I came out random, so everyone in my ethnic.
sometimes it's us who get picky, when we're the minority, insecurity makes illusions in our minds. let me say public show of Racism indicates obvious ignorance of that person, but not all acts can't be perceived as racism. sometimes people are just curious (not all places are like Europe and US which is home of many "outsiders" too) and sometimes we best forgive, cause it's natural for a people who never outside their area (works for country folks and such)... and there are some direct racial objection which isn't racist at all... to be frank, it's objection of racial culture than race itself.
just as countries have their own cultures so does races, and people of same race don't act alike in different areas but in their own they are the only one who follows their own codes.
some of them can be perceived as positive criticism, constructive and helpful... yet if it's about looks and some superficial stuff so that's racism.

best thing to deal with racism is silence, as our fellows above said, there always be racism.
sometimes those who are subject to it are to blame, they make themselves vulnerable to it, they act weakly, they give excuses and they act picky like.
so I guess I said the hidden parts of Racism which I think some couldn't say by themselves. esp. I dislike how white people let themselves down cause they think if they give a voice about racism no one takes them serious or be looked at with pessimistic look, so I give my experience, someone who was a subject (and maybe from time to time, is, but don't give a damn cause those people just show me their ignorance).
I say everyone MUST be proud of their own race and I even laugh at some joke about us. there is no serious offend.
I myself took pride in my yellow side, I endorse country like Japan, and see it as my racial inspiration, and I have white blood in veins too (not literally lol) and I took also pride in country like France... being a multiracial has its benefits and disbenefits depends on your view.

let us know we could be born anything and let's not our miraculous life -which we have one chance to live- be wasted on trivial matters.

oriental
29-08-12, 23:06
Past injustices perceived, real or fake, creates a revenge factor. The perpetrator(s) is identified and the descendents are the ones targeted. Whether it is right or wrong is diificult as historical facts are facts.

pipinnacanus
05-09-12, 00:55
I think most racism today stems from the Fact Europe and America seem to be hell bent on allowing our enemies free citizenship at our expense. With the economical situation around the globe I think immigration should be halted until every European and American has a job and then only allow those with a skill

Every population deserves its own place, that is only for them. Others may visit, but they are not welcome to settle or take over neighborhoods. I do not apologize for preferring my own people.

Only a coward or dupe suggests everyone and every culture has the same potential, the same outcomes, the same benefit. There are very undesirable populations that no one in their right mind would take in, and should be banned from migrating. That may hurt the feelings of those peoples, but its true.

There is a saying-"If you dont brush your teeth, you won't have to worry about them"
Same thing goes for races and cultures= If you dont protect a place for your own culture and ethnic group, you won't have to worry about it for long..

My biggest problem with racism is censorship. I am fine with people choosing to hold or NOT hold whatever opinion you want to, but when you pass a law to criminalize 'racism' (however that is defined) then you no longer are a free person, you are a slave who has no right to free speech or honest opinion, only the order to accept and obey whatever the power elite in your nation/state tell you is allowed to say.

I have met many people of many cultures who are great, and many people who are like me who I may not like that much, but high-functioning european and asian countries are high-functioning for a reason, and there is a definite I.Q. and behavioral difference, as well as human potential between these people and other groups who are simply undesirable.

I can understand how no one wants to admit they are part of a low achievement or undesirable group, but there is a difference between preserving ones own culture and people from populations that bring harm and cost, with no benefit to admitting them, and simply being mean because you want to be mean.

I say the truth is the goal, and to get to the truth you have to be able to speak the truth openly, without censorship laws or mandated multi-culturalism and let the actual population decide what is best for it. Some races and ethnicities do need to be segregated from others - they have well earned their reputation, and its irrelevant if a minor pct of that population can somehow manage to behave themselves and profit their own families in Western countries, what is important is that impact of the mean-average..

If the mean-average is negative in its impact, then they need to be deported and removed. The populations complaining the loudest about 'racism' are from nations or states that are incredibly racist, and such hypocrisy also needs to be removed and deported.

errantbit
03-10-13, 01:04
I think most racism today stems from the Fact Europe and America seem to be hell bent on allowing our enemies free citizenship at our expense. With the economical situation around the globe I think immigration should be halted until every European and American has a job and then only allow those with a skill that can provide a living for their family in. In America a new immigrant can get a 10 year tax break and loan subsidy's to start a business but a native born American can not. I judge a man by his actions not by raceYou're basically implying that racism is most prevalent in Europe and the U.S. than in any other region of the world.This is a typical misconception.If you ever travel through some african countries and/or Latin America,you'll discover that racism is much more frequent/flagrant there than in North America or any european country.And in some cases you can even found "intra-racism",for example,westernized latin americans of amerindian origin being racist towards non-westernized latin americans of amerindian origin.I just don't buy this idea of "white countries=most racist countries".

errantbit
03-10-13, 02:23
The populations complaining the loudest about 'racism' are from nations or states that are incredibly racist, and such hypocrisy also needs to be removed and deported.Quoted for truth.Spot on.

American Idiot
25-11-13, 13:59
I am not racist......I hate EVERYbody!

Maciamo
25-11-13, 14:03
I am not racist.....I hate EVERYbody!

Good one. ;-) It's odd that modern Western society has a strong taboo against people who hate a specific racial group, but not one's own or everybody in general. Is it more acceptable to hate more people as long as they are not defined as a race or another well defined group ? Interesting matter for discussion.

American Idiot
25-11-13, 14:05
You're basically implying that racism is most prevalent in Europe and the U.S. than in any other region of the world.This is a typical misconception.If you ever travel through some african countries and/or Latin America,you'll discover that racism is much more frequent/flagrant there than in North America or any european country.And in some cases you can even found "intra-racism",for example,westernized latin americans of amerindian origin being racist towards non-westernized latin americans of amerindian origin.I just don't buy this idea of "white countries=most racist countries".


I know that Arab-speaking peoples hate each other with a passion!

and for alot of various reasons, according to them.

American Idiot
25-11-13, 14:12
Good one. ;-) It's odd that modern Western society has a strong taboo against people who hate a specific racial group, but not one's own or everybody in general. Is it more acceptable to hate more people as long as they are not defined as a race or another well defined group ? Interesting matter for discussion.

I agree. Just seems easier to hate EVERYONE.......why be picky?

American Idiot
25-11-13, 14:19
Past injustices perceived, real or fake, creates a revenge factor. The perpetrator(s) is identified and the descendents are the ones targeted. Whether it is right or wrong is diificult as historical facts are facts.
actually it's NOT difficult. It IS wrong to target someone living today because of some stupid, irrelevant crap that happened 200 or 300 years ago.

If someone wants to do that, then they are the racist one. Not the other way around.

American Idiot
25-11-13, 14:38
Where do you draw the line between racism and freedom of speech/beliefs?

I am not racist, but I do agree that racists have the right to free speech with NO limitations

I agree with total freedom of speech for every single human, regardless if I actually like their opinion or not.

Every single human born with a mouth should have the right to free speech......no exceptions.

It's only when speech turns into action that something should be done about it.

Why is racism always the focal point when it comes to the exercise in free speech debate? How come when a guy calls a woman a b*tch or something like that there is no debate about free speech?
Because, everyone knows that would be stupid.

Free speech should be applied to everyone, including racists, whether you like what they have to say or not.

Free speech is a principle....no one/group should be able to limit it for others at their own pleasure. Not for any reason.

except for maybe in a courtroom when a judge issues a gag order to be placed. And even with that, there should be a very,very good & logical reason for it.

Kardu
25-11-13, 14:50
It's only when speech turns into action that something should be done about it.


I am also for as much freedom and liberty as possible but being a realist I realize that speech can easily be turned into action.
All propaganda and brainwashing is based on that...

American Idiot
25-11-13, 15:08
I am also for as much freedom and liberty as possible but being a realist I realize that speech can easily be turned into action.
All propaganda and brainwashing is based on that...
yeah, you're right, it does start with that.

I just think, legally speaking, no one has the right to stop it until it actually gets to the point where people are starting to violently act on it.

Jackson
25-11-13, 15:47
Well it's up to them if they choose to be racist. The liberal elite/chattering classes whatever you want to call them keep mentioning how we are supposedly free to have our own opinions, yet they seem to want to turn into fascists when they hear something they don't like. So i say let them say what they want as long as any activism is done through established mediums (of course talking, protesting, politics) as any other opinion. I just get fed up when anyone who doesn't adhere to their strange belief system gets called a racist, they've overused the word so much i think people are starting to care less and less about what it means. Crying wolf.

LeBrok
26-11-13, 04:30
Some posts were moved to this thread:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29267-Should-freedom-of-speech-be-unlimited?p=420329#post420329

Baltic tribes
19-01-14, 12:18
A lot of the people that I know are racist and it's really starting to bother me. I used to try to ignore it but lately it seems like it's been getting worse. So I'm wondering, what do you guys think about racism and the people that are racist?

There is a lot of confusion into racism issues these days.
For the last few decades Anglo-Saxon countries, primarily America, Britain and Canada feverishly have been trying to suppress people’s right and freedom to express and exercise their national, cultural identity. The aim is to create one race and one culture under one leader by deleting any association with where you came from, what’s your race and et cetera. In fact, they went so far as to invent a new terminology for describing race groups (negroid renaming into black). Those countries in order to accommodate their changing population want to enforce others to accept new definitions. I wonder why Caucasian race is still not called white?? –probably it would be too racist?

Despite all their efforts, racism continues to grow, especially in America. People got so fed up that they started less and less care if they’re called racist.
Those anti-racism tactics failed. And they failed because they don’t reach people’s minds, because they undermine the essence of individuality.

So the question is why racism is on the rise? In order to explain that, we have to understand its roots.
Has it ever occurred to you, why Japanese, Chinese or Arab people never have any racism issues? Why so few Indians have it? And why most “black race people” have it. The answer is simpler than you thought.

Edit:
Rest of post was deleted as to racist and demeaning.

LeBrok
20-01-14, 02:57
There is a lot of confusion into racism issues these days.
For the last few decades Anglo-Saxon countries, primarily America, Britain and Canada feverishly have been trying to suppress people’s right and freedom to express and exercise their national, cultural identity. The aim is to create one race and one culture under one leader by deleting any association with where you came from, what’s your race and et cetera. In fact, they went so far as to invent a new terminology for describing race groups (negroid renaming into black). Those countries in order to accommodate their changing population want to enforce others to accept new definitions. I wonder why Caucasian race is still not called white?? –probably it would be too racist?What the hell you're talking about, all these terms are used in mass media and population in general, black and white. In official language Caucasian and African-American. Neither form is used as derogatory expression, and only such are avoided.


Despite all their efforts, racism continues to grow, especially in America.
Can you post racial crime statistics to prove your point?


Those anti-racism tactics failed. And they failed because they don’t reach people’s minds, because they undermine the essence of individuality.
...and that's why America elected first black president. Do you want to see real racial changes in America watch movie "Battler".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butler


So the question is why racism is on the rise? In order to explain that, we have to understand its roots.
Has it ever occurred to you, why Japanese, Chinese or Arab people never have any racism issues? Why so few Indians have it? And why most “black race people” have it.
Where were you hiding for all these years? Did you ever meet other races or ethnicities? Did you travel and talk to locals? Regardless, and I'm sorry to say that, but you are not the best observer. Your thoughts seem to resemble bad written racist book or a website of some sort of racist guru.

1. Did you ever read anything about Japanese extreme racist/nationalistic behaviour during WWII? Typical story of chosen people ruling inferior others.
2. China? Read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China
3. Arabs? Where should we start? So many stories so little time. Why don't you read yourself:

She was a witness to racist attacks by Arab Egyptians on blacks and stated: "We are a racist people in Egypt and we are in deep denial about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Arab_world
4. Indians? What about this little nugget freshly off the press:
http://www.ibtimes.com/murder-nigerian-goa-uncovers-ugly-racialist-attitudes-indians-against-black-africans-1458578
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_relations_in_India
So much for "Civilized" nations being non-racist.
I'm sure, with your anti-black philosofy you would blend well in India or China.

Racism and nationalism goes back few million years to simple hunter-gatherer tribes. To survive, to make one's group stronger, to unite a group against other groups, people of one group needed to start thinking about their special place on earth, special status, superiority, being chosen by god, protected by ancestor spirits. Not mentioning the fact that their were closely related to each other and looked almost identical, and were afraid of strangers who usually looked somewhat different. All these elements and others with positively uniting aspect, were beneficial to small groups, made them stronger and got encoded in our DNA . However the same elements are highly destructive to modern societies and the whole world. Nowadays these are the source of conflicts, wars, social injustice, nationalism, racism and any form of degrading anyone who is different than you.
The inner working of simple tribal instinct, to protect the tribe.

If you have any genetic knowledge you would know that you are already a nice mixture of Homo-Sapiens from Africa, Neanderthal, Near Easter Farmers, European Hunter Gatherers, North Asiatics, West Asiatics, Huns, plus many more admixtures with Jewish included. Post your DNA reading for a closer look.

Jackson
20-01-14, 04:51
What the hell you're talking about, all these terms are used in mass media and population in general, black and white. In official language Caucasian and African-American. Neither form is used as derogatory expression, and only such are avoided.


Can you post racial crime statistics to prove your point?


...and that's why America elected first black president. Do you want to see real racial changes in America watch movie "Battler".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Butler


Where were you hiding for all these years? Did you ever meet other races or ethnicities? Did you travel and talk to locals? Regardless, and I'm sorry to say that, but you are not the best observer. Your thoughts seem to resemble bad written racist book or a website of some sort of racist guru.

1. Did you ever read anything about Japanese extreme racist/nationalistic behaviour during WWII? Typical story of chosen people ruling inferior others.
2. China? Read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China
3. Arabs? Where should we start? So many stories so little time. Why don't you read yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Arab_world
4. Indians? What about this little nugget freshly off the press:
http://www.ibtimes.com/murder-nigerian-goa-uncovers-ugly-racialist-attitudes-indians-against-black-africans-1458578
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_relations_in_India
So much for "Civilized" nations being non-racist.
I'm sure, with your anti-black philosofy you would blend well in India or China.

Racism and nationalism goes back few million years to simple hunter-gatherer tribes. To survive, to make one's group stronger, to unite a group against other groups, people of one group needed to start thinking about their special place on earth, special status, superiority, being chosen by god, protected by ancestor spirits. Not mentioning the fact that their were closely related to each other and looked almost identical, and were afraid of strangers who usually looked somewhat different. All these elements and others with positively uniting aspect, were beneficial to small groups, made them stronger and got encoded in our DNA . However the same elements are highly destructive to modern societies and the whole world. Nowadays these are the source of conflicts, wars, social injustice, nationalism, racism and any form of degrading anyone who is different than you.
The inner working of simple tribal instinct, to protect the tribe.

If you have any genetic knowledge you would know that you are already a nice mixture of Homo-Sapiens from Africa, Neanderthal, Near Easter Farmers, European Hunter Gatherers, North Asiatics, West Asiatics, Huns, plus many more admixtures with Jewish included. Post your DNA reading for a closer look.

The tribes are bigger, but they're still tribes. Globalism is simply forming a bigger tribe, of course you don't really see it yet because we're in transition. By taking sides against people who hold these views, you yourself are being driven by similar instincts with similar effects, to those you criticize.

LeBrok
20-01-14, 06:46
The tribes are bigger, but they're still tribes. Globalism is simply forming a bigger tribe, of course you don't really see it yet because we're in transition. By taking sides against people who hold these views, you yourself are being driven by similar instincts with similar effects, to those you criticize.
You are bang on. We all have the "tribalizm" in forms of racism, nationalism or many sorts of intolerances. I'm not immune either. My tribe that I'm identifying with is the whole world. Baltic tribes identifies himself with white people, or perhaps with anyone but black people. Very suitable for Victorian England, I must say.

kamani
20-01-14, 07:33
A state that does not guarantee minority rights is doomed to chaos and failure. Discrimination starts with visible minorities, then moves to women, then old people and sick people etc. In such chaos, pretty soon everybody becomes victim of some sort of abuse. Don't be fooled to think that you can do it to just visible minorities and then stop; once it starts it becomes a domino effect that brings dangerous chaos. This is so easy to understand that even ancient empires like Rome and Byzant had meritocracy rules in place to avoid racism. If you walked in the streets of Kostandinople, you could hear 10 languages at the same time, and that is the longest lived empire on record.

LeBrok
20-01-14, 08:04
A state that does not guarantee minority rights is doomed to chaos and failure. Discrimination starts with visible minorities, then moves to women, then old people and sick people etc. In such chaos, pretty soon everybody becomes victim of some sort of abuse. Don't be fooled to think that you can do it to just visible minorities and then stop; once it starts it becomes a domino effect that brings dangerous chaos. This is so easy to understand that even ancient empires like Rome and Byzant had meritocracy rules in place to avoid racism. If you walked in the streets of Kostandinople, you could hear 10 languages at the same time, and that is the longest lived empire on record.
Good point, empires needed to be more tolerant to make sure all nationalities or ethnicities can live together in peace. That's why at some point all people of Roman Empire became its citizens. Likewise for the peace on whole Earth we need to think (well, at least start thinking) about all peoples as being equal with same human rights. Otherwise there is not much chance for global peace and elimination of racism. It is still a long shot, so at least for now I would like to see more tolerance, and people stopping hating each other too much.

Tomenable
26-09-14, 20:34
Anti-racism is good because it is useful in taking over other continents (the video is in English): ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXzPSiwgWbw

Lifegear
20-12-14, 16:33
I know that Arab-speaking peoples hate each other with a passion!

and for alot of various reasons, according to them.

Yeah i'm a gulf Arab who dislikes and never trust Levantines and North Africans i also consider them inferior

wlkwos
14-05-15, 23:28
Racism is spread everywhere

Serena
17-06-16, 09:29
I think in most cases racism is not real hatred for another people. It seems more like a nonconscious habbit brought up by stupid parents, stupid neighbours, stupid media

PaleoRevenge
04-12-16, 21:59
Only white people can be racist, especially northern Europeans. And they are born with the sin of racism. This is can only be reversed if they have their countries flooded with non-whites. It's the only way to cleanse themselves for being born.

As a person of Southern Europe background and darker complexion I'd like to offer the racist of the north a chance to redeem themselves. If you have beautiful blonde daughters, send them my way, I will heal the hate. Jesus be praised. Amen.

Fire Haired14
05-12-16, 00:52
Only white people can be racist, especially northern Europeans. And they are born with the sin of racism. This is can only be reversed if they have their countries flooded with non-whites. It's the only way to cleanse themselves for being born.

As a person of Southern Europe background and darker complexion I'd like to offer the racist of the north a chance to redeem themselves. If you have beautiful blonde daughters, send them my way, I will heal the hate. Jesus be praised. Amen.

Don't waste your time trol-l-ing online. It isn't real life.

PaleoRevenge
25-12-16, 06:52
Laughing at what's stupid is the way to go. Liberal positions are not honest or intellectual, you'll waste your time arguing with them.

LeBrok
25-12-16, 09:19
Laughing at what's stupid is the way to go. Liberal positions are not honest or intellectual, you'll waste your time arguing with them. Interesting thing is that racist people don't like to be called racist for some reason. Face the truth.

gyms
26-12-16, 18:18
You can see where I am going with this argument. White “privilege” is a concept resulting from racial self-hatred. It is hatred of the white race by whites. This is nothing new. There are blacks who hate the black race, Jews who hate the Jewish people, and every other kind of group self-hatred. However, it is still an anomaly that deserves an explanation.
http://www.billmcgaughey.com/whiteprivilege.html

LeBrok
26-12-16, 21:29
You can see where I am going with this argument. White “privilege” is a concept resulting from racial self-hatred. It is hatred of the white race by whites. This is nothing new. There are blacks who hate the black race, Jews who hate the Jewish people, and every other kind of group self-hatred. However, it is still an anomaly that deserves an explanation.
http://www.billmcgaughey.com/whiteprivilege.html
Explain this through self hatred:
https://ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/drinking-fountains-1.jpg

Twilight
27-12-16, 02:03
You can see where I am going with this argument. White “privilege” is a concept resulting from racial self-hatred. It is hatred of the white race by whites. This is nothing new. There are blacks who hate the black race, Jews who hate the Jewish people, and every other kind of group self-hatred. However, it is still an anomaly that deserves an explanation.
http://www.billmcgaughey.com/whiteprivilege.html

On the contrary, concidering that many posters like me have their Haplogroups on their profiles? I'm pretty sure a good portion of us on Eupedia came here to learn about our European Ancestry; if not European ancestry then ancestry from other parts of the world. LeBrok posted a pic with an excellent example of what life was like in segregated communities back in the MLK era. ^_^

gyms
27-12-16, 12:20
[QUOTE=LeBrok;497857]Explain this through self hatred:
[IMG]https://ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/drinking

Hate is self-destructive. If you hate somebody, you're not hurting the person you hate. You're hurting yourself. And that's a healing. Actually, it's a real healing, forgiveness.If you hate somebody, it's like a boomerang that misses its target and comes back and hits you in the head. The one who hates is the one who hurts.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_zamperini.html
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_zamperini.html

LeBrok
27-12-16, 18:46
[QUOTE=LeBrok;497857]Explain this through self hatred:
[IMG]https://ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/drinking

Hate is self-destructive. If you hate somebody, you're not hurting the person you hate. You're hurting yourself. And that's a healing. Actually, it's a real healing, forgiveness.If you hate somebody, it's like a boomerang that misses its target and comes back and hits you in the head. The one who hates is the one who hurts.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_zamperini.html
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_zamperini.htmlWell, if you coulnd't explain, it should tell you that your assumption about "self hatered" is wrong.

LeBrok
27-12-16, 18:46
Explain this through self hatred:
[IMG]https://ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/drinking

Hate is self-destructive. If you hate somebody, you're not hurting the person you hate. You're hurting yourself. And that's a healing. Actually, it's a real healing, forgiveness.If you hate somebody, it's like a boomerang that misses its target and comes back and hits you in the head. The one who hates is the one who hurts.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_zamperini.html
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/louis_zamperini.htmlWell, if you coulnd't explain, it should tell you that your assumption about "self hatered" is wrong.

gyms
27-12-16, 21:54
For a man with a red hammer and sickle every problem looks like a class warfare.

Gitte
05-07-17, 10:38
I'm not racist. I'm a left-winged European with left-winged parents. There surely are racists where I live- though not always openly (except a certain political party) as it's incredibly not-done. There is some (sometimes too extreme) political correctness around here, so barely anyone would go say openly 'I hate ... and we're better than them' though, particularly with recent terrorism attacks in Western-Europe, you can 'feel' the racism coming from certain people (which doesn't make much sense- middle easterners are often the exact same race (Caucasian) as Europeans) Anyway, no, I'm not racist. I wouldn't date someone not-white quickly though, but that's simply because the offer isn't really big and I melt for bright, light green or blue eyes, something which isn't exactly common on not-white people. ('White' is broad here. The person I think at is southen russian)

LeBrok
05-07-17, 16:03
I'm not racist. I'm a left-winged European with left-winged parents. There surely are racists where I live- though not always openly (except a certain political party) as it's incredibly not-done. There is some (sometimes too extreme) political correctness around here, so barely anyone would go say openly 'I hate ... and we're better than them' though, particularly with recent terrorism attacks in Western-Europe, you can 'feel' the racism coming from certain people (which doesn't make much sense- middle easterners are often the exact same race (Caucasian) as Europeans) Anyway, no, I'm not racist. I wouldn't date someone not-white quickly though, but that's simply because the offer isn't really big and I melt for bright, light green or blue eyes, something which isn't exactly common on not-white people. ('White' is broad here. The person I think at is southen russian)
Intolerant people can concentrate their hatred not only on race but anything that makes the others different. It could be religion, place of birth, language, lifestyle etc. In all of us there is this primordial instinct of tribalism, which makes us be afraid and hate everything which is not related to our tribe. The racism towards everything different could be called tribalism. People lived for millions of years in small tribes, so tribalism is engraved in our genes. Now some of us can go beyond local tribalism and think of the whole world as our tribe, one tribe. If everybody belongs to our tribe, there is nobody left to hate and be afraid off. Well, this subject is more complex than that, but tribalism explains a lot.

Seanp
08-07-17, 19:45
Racism is what makes an ethnicity together. People with similar cultural and physical traits form a community and protect their group from outsider influences. This can be seen in a negative way when A group discriminates and harass B group or positively when A group in order to protect their cultural heritage avoid the contact with B group.

Racism also exist in a genetically homogeneous society where farm workers with darker skin may be seen inferior to higher classes. This example is common in East Asia. I'd argue to consider it as a part of a more greater system called "caste". Jatts may see inferior those from the bottom of the caste system and this can generate racism to look those people and use them as peasants in a family.

Life is not black and white, everything has it's own sense for good reasons. We normally don't against other people for racial reasons, but we tend to pick partners and friends who share more with us in common and this covers genetic, social environment, intelligence and shared interest. If this wasn't the case then people would mate and seek the companionship with bulls and frogs instead with other people.

Maleth
08-07-17, 21:35
Racism is what makes an ethnicity together. People with similar cultural and physical traits form a community and protect their group from outsider influences. This can be seen in a negative way when A group discriminates and harass B group or positively when A group in order to protect their cultural heritage avoid the contact with B group.

Until we resisted eating alien tubular vegetable called potato from the weird alien continent of South America and now we fry it, boil it, roast and serve it with everything ......our ways have been polluted by outside influences :angry::grin:

Seanp
08-07-17, 23:26
Until we resisted eating alien tubular vegetable called potato from the weird alien continent of South America and now we fry it, boil it, roast and serve it with everything ......our ways have been polluted by outside influences :angry::grin:

I used to think that way but then I discovered the taste of P*psi and the kisses of latinas it changed my mind so much. I'm for multiculturalism but wait and think a minute. What will happen when every person will start mass movements to different places and mix with locals.. Should we call it as anti-multiculaturalism because it destroys local cultures and creates a mono culture which is all about consuming and the American lifestyle.

If I was a drug lord I'd wish everyone on this planet think and act the same so I can have a larger influence on the market because similar minds will act similar ways. This system is all about it.

anothergirl
27-07-17, 23:04
wow, I am new here and you sir ARE pretty racist. You are the the worst kind of racist actually...

Angela
27-07-17, 23:22
wow, I am new here and you sir ARE pretty racist. You are the the worst kind of racist actually...

He is indeed, another girl. Thankfully, he is no longer with us. I'm sorry that you had to encounter that kind of post during your first foray onto the site.

Give us a chance; most people are not like that.

I1a3_Young
27-07-17, 23:24
wow, I am new here and you sir ARE pretty racist. You are the the worst kind of racist actually...
Wow, worse than Hitler, that's a serious accusation!

The European virtue signaling in this thread is interesting.

davef
27-07-17, 23:47
He is indeed, another girl. Thankfully, he is no longer with us. I'm sorry that you had to encounter that kind of post during your first foray onto the site.

Give us a chance; most people are not like that.

I at first was wondering why you were calling him another girl...:)

Angela
28-07-17, 01:06
Wow, worse than Hitler, that's a serious accusation!

The European virtue signaling in this thread is interesting.

It's virtue signaling to acknowledge that Seanp is a racist as well as an agenda driven *****? Since when? As far as I'm concerned those are statements of fact. Perhaps you should read some of his posts again.

Then again, maybe fellow travelers of Seanp and Sikelliot and Principe are racist or Nordicist signalling? I'll have to be on the watch for that.

I1a3_Young
28-07-17, 05:12
It's virtue signaling to acknowledge that Seanp is a racist as well as an agenda driven *****? Since when? As far as I'm concerned those are statements of fact. Perhaps you should read some of his posts again.

Then again, maybe fellow travelers of Seanp and Sikelliot and Principe are racist or Nordicist signalling? I'll have to be on the watch for that.
I was referring to the whole thread and attitudes in general, but I fail to see how post #58 is worse than Hitler. You would certainly be more knowledgeable about trends and post histories though. I'm not going to defend racist statements, but if I see them I'll refute them with fact rather than public shaming tactics to force political correctness without room for discussion.

It is very interesting to see differing opinions from around the world about this.

coolfrenchguy
22-09-19, 08:42
I'am ethno-differencialist but not racist

Farstar
22-09-19, 09:46
I think there are three definitions for racism:

one, is the belief that a "race" is "superior" to others. Two, is that that belief should lead to discriminatory laws. Three, a preference for some kind of phenotypic traits in social relationships.

I think number two is clearly wrong. However, number three is perfect reasonable. But in our society, political correctness is leading towards saying that three is bad.

For example, is it bad to prefer some kind of phenotypic trait when looking for a couple? Of course, it would be bad to say that some kind of mixed-phenotype-couples are forbidden by law. But extremist political-correctness is confusing both things, which are very different to each other.

However, we constantly choose in our social interactions, with many different metrics (often, inadvertently of that).

Even more, political correctness is leading towards suppressing natural behaviours, such as preferring your own kin, or having children. Political correctness is leading more and more to make believe to people that we should prefer others rather than our own kin (if we are white; otherwise not) and that it is cool not to have children. Note: I am talking from a European point of view.

Duarte
22-09-19, 13:07
I'am ethno-differencialist but not racist

Thank you for obligate me to take a break to do a quick research. I did not know the term ethno-differentialism.
I thought it was a neologism. But now I see that it is a concept that has relatively old roots in Europe, especially in France, where the concept seems to have been born and spread.
Interesting worldview!
I did not know that there was the concept of ethno-differentialism as opposed to the concept of racism.

https://i.imgur.com/NHWozAb.png
https://i.imgur.com/cCOULf4.png

Ailchu
24-09-19, 19:54
ethnopluralism is a dangerous ideology imo. first, why would you want that ethnicities stay seperated? second, how are you going to make sure they stay seperated? there are a lot of people, the majority who doesn't care about this stuff. these "ethnopluralists" try to get into politics with their identitarian movements, where they just do not belong, in the end it would just end in oppression. they can make their own week end clubs and sit around a table drinking beer and talk about their ideologies if they want.

26-09-19, 02:52
ethnopluralism is a dangerous ideology imo. first, why would you want that ethnicities stay seperated? second, how are you going to make sure they stay seperated? there are a lot of people, the majority who doesn't care about this stuff. these "ethnopluralists" try to get into politics with their identitarian movements, where they just do not belong, in the end it would just end in oppression. they can make their own week end clubs and sit around a table drinking beer and talk about their ideologies if they want.

Agree with the danger. It’s hard to work together when we’re ‘told’ other groups are so different that we don’t share the same “truth.”