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Silverbackman
04-06-06, 01:28
Who do you think are the top 10 best Militaries/Armed Forces in the world? In other words if each country was to go in an all out war with each other, one on one, who would win the most times? And I mean army, navy, air force, special forces, ect. and not so much on nukes. Think about technological capabilities, population and country size, ect.

Here are mine;

1. United States

Big Gap Here

2. Russia

Big Gap Here

3. China

4. India

5. United Kingdom

6. France

7. Germany

8. Japan

9. Brazil

10. Pakistan


Obviously United States owns the competition. No military comes close anymore. Russia obviously comes next, with a large geographic size, okay population, and high tech weapons from the old Soviet Union (although their poverty is bringing them down).

China and India come next with the largest populations and one of the largest land areas. China has the largest overall armed forces, India has the second largest overall armed forces.

United Kingdom and France comes next with technology (especially Britain's special forces) as good as Russia, maybe even better. Their small size and population keeps them a BIT lower than the other Eurasian giants.

Germany and Japan (especially Japan) has had a lot of international pressure against military build-up but they still have one of the best armed forces. Germany has some of the finest tank forces in the world. Japan still has a power navy, although it has decreased quite a bit since WWII.

I wasn't sure who would come next but after some thinking Brazil seems powerful enough. It has a large geographic size and population and their armed forces are pretty big too. They also have a pretty large economy to make up for anything else. Pakistan would come next, with a pretty large military. They have also developed nukes (this list doesn't focus much on nukes but it deserves a mention in this case none the less).

What are your top 10?

Ohns
24-09-09, 01:51
Who do you think are the top 10 best Militaries/Armed Forces in the world? In other words if each country was to go in an all out war with each other, one on one, who would win the most times? And I mean army, navy, air force, special forces, ect. and not so much on nukes. Think about technological capabilities, population and country size, ect.

Here are mine;

1. United States

Big Gap Here

2. Russia

Big Gap Here

3. China

4. India

5. United Kingdom

6. France

7. Germany

8. Japan

9. Brazil

10. Pakistan


Obviously United States owns the competition. No military comes close anymore. Russia obviously comes next, with a large geographic size, okay population, and high tech weapons from the old Soviet Union (although their poverty is bringing them down).

China and India come next with the largest populations and one of the largest land areas. China has the largest overall armed forces, India has the second largest overall armed forces.

United Kingdom and France comes next with technology (especially Britain's special forces) as good as Russia, maybe even better. Their small size and population keeps them a BIT lower than the other Eurasian giants.

Germany and Japan (especially Japan) has had a lot of international pressure against military build-up but they still have one of the best armed forces. Germany has some of the finest tank forces in the world. Japan still has a power navy, although it has decreased quite a bit since WWII.

I wasn't sure who would come next but after some thinking Brazil seems powerful enough. It has a large geographic size and population and their armed forces are pretty big too. They also have a pretty large economy to make up for anything else. Pakistan would come next, with a pretty large military. They have also developed nukes (this list doesn't focus much on nukes but it deserves a mention in this case none the less).

What are your top 10?

USA has the index of 100%

180% NATO (if it counts)

100% USA - US is da best when it comes to blowing things up.

64% European Union - EU is not that far of the american scale.

12% China - China has a small millitary it is still the only country in the world who can get 10.000.000 soldiers fit or figth in 1 day.

9% Russia - Russia is performing poorly demographicly and economicly.

5% India - India has a huge demographical benefit simular to Chinas still there is a big gab between the millitary hardware and technology used by the two countries.

TurkYusuf1
07-02-10, 14:41
I'm a university student in my 2nd year doing a double major in political science and history and have been personally researching and reading/watching news, information and articles on world militaries also learning from my courses and from several websites I gathered (globalfirepower.com, globalsecurity.org, nationmaster.com, cia.gov, etc.) here are my top 10 and extended Top 15 militaries in the world according to my studies and research.

1.) The United States of America - Obviously and undisputed top military in the world due to the second standing largest army and very powerful combined force of army, navy and air force, excellent military training with their marines, delta forces, seals, excellent technology and economy, numerous allies, more than 100 military bases and global influence in the world, 2nd largest nuclear arsenal (however most technologically advanced nukes), huge military budget, extensive and continuing military experience in wars such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now in Yemen, permanent member of UN Security Council, 4th largest country in the world by area/land mass and 3rd by population with over 300 million people, one of the largest military weapons technologies and producers in the world, leading member of NATO, etc.

2) People's Republic of China - largest standing army in the world as well as the largest country in the world with a population of over 1.3 billion, equally large and powerful navy and air force, good military training, improving navy and air force, between 200-300 or more nukes making it between 3rd-5th largest nuclear arsenal in the world, second highest military budget after US, growing economy and rapidly improving technology, self-sufficient in military production and huge military weapons technology, permanent member of the UN Security Council, most powerful Asian military, etc.

3) The Russian Federation - 5th largest army in the world with over 1,000,000 troops, largest nuclear arsenal in the world (one of the two most advanced nukes in the world, the other being US), largest country by area/land mass by far, one of the largest countries as well with a population of over 142 million people, most powerful Eurasian country, very disciplined and professional military training, large and powerful navy and air force as well, one of the best military technologies and weapons producers in the world, stable and growing economy after the Soviet collapse in 1990, permanent member of the UN Security Council, large military budget, one of the most experienced militaries in the world, etc.

4) Republic of India - 3rd largest standing army in the world after China and US, second largest country in the world by population after China with over 1.75 billion people, also one of the largest countries in the world by area/land mass, one of the largest and rapidly improving and powerful army, navy and air forces in the world, good military training, experienced military with wars over Pakistan and China, growing military weapons production and technology/industry, large military budget, 3rd most powerful Asian military power, etc.

5) The United Kingdom - one of the largest military budgets and economies in the world, small combined military force of army, navy and air force personnel in the world but very effective nonetheless, the most powerful navy and air force with a strong army as well in Europe and one of the best and largest navies and air forces in the world as well, permanent member of the UN Security Council, one of the leading members of NATO, one of the largest countries in Europe with 62 million population after Russia with 142+ million, Germany 80+ million, Turkey 75 million and France 65+ million, one of the best military training in the world along with US, Canada, Australia, Russia, etc., an experienced military with recent NATO involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the top nuclear powers, one of the leading NATO and EU members, etc.

6) France - permanent member of the UN Security Council, one of the best militaries in Europe and very good military training, decent sized and very powerful army, navy and air force, one of the largest economies and military budgets in the world, one of the largest countries in Europe with over 65 million people, one of the top nuclear powers, one of the leading NATO and EU members, etc.

7) Germany - largest country in Europe with over 80+ million people, one of the leading NATO and EU members, excellent military training and one of the best military weapons technology and industry in Europe and the world, 4th largest economic power in the world and one of the best technologies in the world, decent sized but very powerful and professional combined force of army, navy and air force, one of the best tanks, air craft carriers and fighting planes, and other military weapons producers in the world, not a declared nuclear power but is a member of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses a number of nuclear weapons along with Turkey, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands, one of the leading members of NATO and EU being the most populous member of EU, a defensive force but in war time can mobilize and possess a very large and powerful army and overall military, is very capable of producing its own nukes if need be but due to its bad reputation in WWI and especially WWII not allowed to acquire its own produced nukes, etc.

8) Japan - one of the best navies and air forces in the world as well as a small but very professional and well trained army, 2nd largest economy in the world and one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, one of the most populous countries in Asia and the world with over 127 million people, a defensive force like Germany but can quickly create a very large and powerful army and overall military if need be, does not possess any nuclear weapons but very capable of producing its own, due to their bad reputation in WWII like Germany restricted military, etc.

9) Republic of Turkey - most powerful military of Middle East and Central as well as Western Asia, 2nd largest army and overall military of NATO after US, excellent military training and very well trained according to NATO standards, a very large (over 1,055,000 overall military) and powerful combined force of army (514,000 active, 380,000 reserve and 144,000 paramilitary), navy (best in Middle East and the Muslim world, and air force (2nd best in Middle East after Israel), one of the largest Eurasian countries with 75 million people, largest economy in Middle East and in the Muslim world being 17th economy in the world in GDP nominal and 15th in GDP PPP, 8th largest military budget in the world, technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world as it has access to NATO weapons and produces 60% of it's own weapons and has future impressive military production projects like a native tank based on the German Leopard model jointly created by South Korea, a unique and strategically as well as geographically important country and considered a bridge between East (Asia and Russia) and West (Europe and the Americas) being near Middle East, one of the few Muslim majority (99% Muslim) countries but a secular democracy, has great influence in Middle East and in the Muslim world due to it's long legacy of Turkic empires ruling over most of Muslim lands especially from the previous Ottoman Empire (1299-1923 ruling over three continents of Arabia and Middle East, North Africa, Anatolia/Asia Minor of current day Turkey and Southeastern Europe/Balkans as well as Caucasus), part of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses 90 nuclear weapons (40-45 of them under the personal use and disposal of the Turkish air force and navy), is capable of producing it's own nuclear weapons with a growing economy and military technology, has signed a deal with neighbouring Russia to open Turkey's first nuclear power plants in the next few years after neighbouring Iran's attempts to acquire these weapons to maintain a balance of power in the region, part of G20 major economies in the world, produces food, weapons, automotives, textiles and clothing, very attractive tourist location, etc.

10) Israel - one of the best military trainings in the world, a very experienced army with it's several wars with the neighboring Arab countries since it's formation in 1948, best air force in Middle East, very self-sufficient in creating its own military weapons production/industry/technology, small but very professional and powerful army and air force and decent navy, a nuclear power, strong alliances with US, NATO/EU/Europe and Turkey, many resources and self-sufficient in these vast resources, one of the most experienced militaries in Middle East, the Muslim world and in the world in general with the Turkish Cyprus invasion in 1974, and the recently continuing civil war in the eastern part of Turkey with the separatist/communist/terrorist organization called PKK (Partiye Karkireye Kurdistan meaning Kurdistan Workers Party) for 25+ years since 1984-present, etc.

11) Islamic Republic of Iran - very good military training and professionalism, one of the top 3 largest military powers in Middle East the Muslim world and 8th in the world, large and powerful army and air force, decent navy, seeking to develop and acquire nuclear weapons, the major Shiite Muslim country, over 70 million population being one of the largest Muslim countries, strong alliances with Russia and China, an experienced army with it's recent war with Iraq from 1979/80-1988/89/90, vast reserves of oil and gas, etc.

12) Islamic Republic of Pakistan - very good military training and professionalism, the largest Muslim military power in the world with over 600,000 active troops and the 6th/7th largest in the world, very large and powerful army and air force decent navy, a very experienced army with it's wars with neighbouring India, the only Muslim nuclear power, strong alliances with Turkey and the rest of Middle East and the Muslim world especially with the Arab states, China, France and some NATO/EU/Europe, and US, largest contributor to UN peacekeeping missions with over 10,000 soldiers, second largest Muslim country and one of the largest in the world in population with 180 million people, etc.

13) Brazil - a growing military and economic power in the world, largest and most powerful military and economy in South and Latin America, strong alliances, one of the largest countries in the world by population (over 192 million people) and area/land mass (5th/6th largest in the world), etc.

14) South Korea/Republic of Korea - one of the most economically and technologically advanced countries in Asia following Japan's model, 6th largest active army in the world, a very powerful and large army, navy and air force, one of the best navy and air forces in Asia, very self-sufficient in military weapons production/industry/technology and general production, over 45 million people, strong alliances with Japan, Turkey, US and NATO/EU/Europe, etc.

15) North Korea/Democratic People's Republic of Korea - the most militarized and combat ready army in the world, the 4th largest active army in the world, a very large and powerful army and air force decent navy, over 23 million population, etc.

TurkYusuf1
07-02-10, 14:43
I meant 3rd largest country in the world for China.

TurkYusuf1
07-02-10, 14:50
The stuff I put for Israel about the resources and the Muslim world and experience in Cyprus and PKK civil war was about Turkey sorry put that stuff in the wrong section.

LeBrok
07-02-10, 20:39
Hi TurkYusuf, try using edit button in your completed post to correct text.

Other correction is that India doesn't have 1.75 B people yet. :)

I wouldn't put Germany behind France and England. If WW2 is any indicator how the solders would fend, Germany should be first in Europe. It has biggest economy with 4 trillion GDP, almost twice bigger than Russia. Economy means the most in modern warfare. If enemy destroys more of your tanks and airplanes than you can replace, you lost the war. Army with just handguns means nothing today.
The only edge of Russia over Germany is the amount of nukes and vast territory.

Other than that, a nice comprehensive review you wrote, thanks.

TurkYusuf1
16-02-10, 23:56
Yeah thanks I tried to explain as much as possible and justify my ranking but the main reason why I put Germany below UK and France as well as Russia is due to it being a limited self defence military after World War II, the same case with Japan. It has the largest and most advanced economy and technology in Europe but UK and France higher military budgets if I'm not mistaken, I'll have to re-check that but I think that's the case. However both Germany and Japan have great potential to be the most powerful militaries in the world like they were during World War II as it took US, Russia, UK and the other allies to bring these two powers down. India has more than 1.1 billion people close to 1.2 billion, 1,177,128,000 to be exact you can search and check it if you want. It is estimated that their population will exceed even of that of China in 50 years. Thanks again for your reply appreciate the feedback.

LeBrok
17-02-10, 10:34
You're right at current military forces Germany and Japan are behind Russia, France and England. I was more thinking about where they could be if they really tried, according to their GDP and past history.

I think that China in 50 years might become the strongest military power in the world. I hope when this happens, old communist, megalomaniac elite will be all gone, and new generation of Chinese will feel more like citizens of the world with peaceful intentions.
On other hand I think that NATO will be still strong military union balancing new Asiatic Superpowers.
China is economically growing faster than India. Knowing some animosities of these two countries, India might look for strong alliance with someone else. Who knows, maybe India will join NATO one day to feel safe?
What I'm getting at is that I don't see anyone being super dominant on earth in next 50 years that could conclude in next world war.

Maciamo
17-02-10, 12:42
It doesn't make much sense to separate the armed forces of EU member states. They should be considered as EU armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Force) because they are bound together by numerous treaties, such as the Common Security and Defence Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy) and Common Foreign and Security Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Foreign_and_Security_Policy), and work under the European Defence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Defence_Agency).

The EU's armed forces rank second in the world, with an annual budget of nearly $300 billion. That's still less than half the US's budget, but it is three times more than Russia ($30 billion) and China ($70 billion) combined.

Starship
23-02-10, 17:17
Very interesting Turkyusuf1

I was just wondering about a few things maybe you know, I heard somewhere North Korea would only have enough fuel to manage a few days of operations.

Where does Indonesia come in the world ranking?

And have you a ranking for African countries like

1. South Africa
2. Morocco
3. Egypt
and so on...

Cheers.

TurkYusuf1
25-02-10, 10:27
It is true that North Korea is highly overestimated and probably will not last very long in a war with a major power or even a middle power as their economy and technological capabilities are very limited and weak. However they are considered the most militarized country in the world as they spend a huge amount of their GDP on military and pretty much the whole country is looked upon as an army and treated as such. They are very tough, hostile and paranoid due to the communist government which brainwashes its people to think this way especially towards the West, most specifically towards the US. Now I didn't mean to generalize saying they are tough, hostile and paranoid in my previous sentence but like I said they are brainwashed to think this way. Despite everything they have the 4th largest army in the world ahead of countries like Russia and still possess much military power/force that should be taken seriously, they are also developing and working on possessing nuclear weapons and have already succeeded in having some warheads according to some sources. Now Indonesia is ranked in top 15 as 12th or 13th in several websites I have come upon but when I looked more into it, I ranked them as 18th in the world. They have a very tough training system, and are economically growing as well, have fairly large and powerful army, navy and air force but still have some time to be considered powerful enough to be in top 15 or 12/13 in my opinion. I don't know much about African militaries but would rank Egypt, South Africa and Nigeria as the top 3, and the rest would follow. Anyway here's my extended top 20 to 30 if you or anyone else wants to know more: 16) Egypt, 17) Italy, 18) Indonesia, 19) Mexico, 20) Taiwan, 21) Sweden, 22) Greece, 23) Canada, 24) Spain, 25) Saudi Arabia, 26) Ukraine, 27) Australia, 28) Thailand 29) Denmark, 30) Poland.

Starship
25-02-10, 15:07
Thanks for that Turk, I always find it depressing reading about countries where parts or in some cases large sections of the population live in abject poverty and yet their governments still manage to spend billions on their military. It also begs the question why would a small neutral country like Sweden with no natural enemies be spending so much on a standing army that place's them at 21 in the world ranking.

TurkYusuf1
26-02-10, 00:29
Yeah no problem my friend glad to have cleared things up. I not only study and research everything from militaries, economies, politics, history, etc. but also enjoy doing this as a hobby as I continue to enhance my knowledge and learn something new about a certain country every day. Yeah I partially agree with you that certain countries should not spend as much on military but should focus on improving their economies, health care and human rights issues. But you have to also understand for example my country Turkey is in a geographically key position and is surrounded by former enemies and dangerous, hostile and powerful countries such as Iran, Russia, Greece, Armenia, and the Middle East, etc. so they have to keep getting stronger and maintain a powerful well-equipped, well-trained and capable large armed forces to have a balance of power in the region and to deter future attacks on their soil.

Invictus_88
01-03-10, 16:25
It doesn't make much sense to separate the armed forces of EU member states. They should be considered as EU armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Force) because they are bound together by numerous treaties, such as the Common Security and Defence Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy) and Common Foreign and Security Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Foreign_and_Security_Policy), and work under the European Defence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Defence_Agency).
The EU's armed forces rank second in the world, with an annual budget of nearly $300 billion. That's still less than half the US's budget, but it is three times more than Russia ($30 billion) and China ($70 billion) combined.

Until the EU binds all its independent national armed forces under the yoke of a European Union High Command, that sort of number-fiddling is just a dishonest attempt to puff Europe up into something stronger than it is.

Der Tiger
10-11-10, 08:50
Until the EU binds all its independent national armed forces under the yoke of a European Union High Command, that sort of number-fiddling is just a dishonest attempt to puff Europe up into something stronger than it is.

Ok, but if we're talking about a hypothetical situation in which the world is shitting a brick I'm sure there would be developments to further integrate defense. In fact the Lisbon Treaty has already set forth the first steps for that. The EU as a whole has HUGE potential. Admittedly it's not fully integrated and the defense spending in the Euro-area is dwindling, but let's remember that potential can change a lot, much like the US and USSR in WWII. They turned into super powers almost overnight, because of they're potential. The EU has a population over 500,000,000, quality technology, and a relatively strong economy when we drop Greece. XP POTENTIAL! ;)

jaycubes
30-11-10, 22:15
U guys seem well versed on military issues, probably more than the news. Can someone tell whats the worst thing that can happen in the yellow sea? with the USS Washington aircraft carrier in place to carry out drills with the South and the North is threatening firepower.

Should a war break out what's China's stance. i mean it has to take a side and i'm sure it won't leave North Korea alone

LeBrok
01-12-10, 03:39
Nothing's going to happen. North Korea is just terrorizing South, because it has nothing better to do, or just needs few billions of dollars so Kim Jong-Il can by a new Mercedes and new palace. I've seen it many times before.
China these days won't jeopardize western market and new vibrant development of their economy for North Korea. North Korea means nothing to china at the moment, and it's going to mean even less in the future.

NewEngland
06-12-10, 07:31
Well it all depends on NK if they launch any more missles into the south the south will retaliate. If it escalates from there, the US will ensure the south has everything it needs to criple the north and China will do nothing.

LeBrok
06-12-10, 09:30
I still hope S Korea, US, and Japan have guts to finish North Korea. But what they do right now it's just PR maneuvers, to show off force, for peace of mind of S Korean citizens. If they really want to strike, NK and us wont expect anything. That will be the best time to strike. Surprise is the best weapon.

NewEngland
14-12-10, 08:30
South Korea doesnt want to strike or they would. The south wont strike until after another cheap shot from the north. Then the north would be quickly knocked out, two days tops.

Canek
22-03-11, 21:55
It is true that North Korea is highly overestimated and probably will not last very long in a war with a major power or even a middle power as their economy and technological capabilities are very limited and weak. However they are considered the most militarized country in the world as they spend a huge amount of their GDP on military and pretty much the whole country is looked upon as an army and treated as such. They are very tough, hostile and paranoid due to the communist government which brainwashes its people to think this way especially towards the West, most specifically towards the US. Now I didn't mean to generalize saying they are tough, hostile and paranoid in my previous sentence but like I said they are brainwashed to think this way. Despite everything they have the 4th largest army in the world ahead of countries like Russia and still possess much military power/force that should be taken seriously, they are also developing and working on possessing nuclear weapons and have already succeeded in having some warheads according to some sources. Now Indonesia is ranked in top 15 as 12th or 13th in several websites I have come upon but when I looked more into it, I ranked them as 18th in the world. They have a very tough training system, and are economically growing as well, have fairly large and powerful army, navy and air force but still have some time to be considered powerful enough to be in top 15 or 12/13 in my opinion. I don't know much about African militaries but would rank Egypt, South Africa and Nigeria as the top 3, and the rest would follow. Anyway here's my extended top 20 to 30 if you or anyone else wants to know more: 16) Egypt, 17) Italy, 18) Indonesia, 19) Mexico, 20) Taiwan, 21) Sweden, 22) Greece, 23) Canada, 24) Spain, 25) Saudi Arabia, 26) Ukraine, 27) Australia, 28) Thailand 29) Denmark, 30) Poland.

i partially agree with your list... but venezuela should be also into the top 30 imo. a latin american ranking is more like:

1 brazil
2 mexico
3 venezuela
4 argentina
5 colombia

sparkey
22-03-11, 22:04
i partially agree with your list... but venezuela should be also into the top 30 imo. a latin american ranking is more like:

1 brazil
2 mexico
3 venezuela
4 argentina
5 colombia

The military budget ranking per the 2009 SIPRI ranking goes like this in Latin America (top 10):

1. Brazil
2. Colombia
3. Chile
4. Mexico
5. Venezuela
6. Argentina
7. Peru
8. Uruguay
9. Guatemala
10. Paraguay

Colombia's budget is well over $10 billion and Chile's also beats Mexico ($5.6 billion vs. $5.4 billion). I wouldn't shortchange Colombia and Chile.

Canek
23-03-11, 12:22
i don't think military budget ranking per the 2009 is a good way of judging the armies of latin america.

sparkey
23-03-11, 17:20
i don't think military budget ranking per the 2009 is a good way of judging the armies of latin america.

Well, it can't be taken alone, like, you have to keep in mind how many arms a country has stockpiled and how many resources it could dig into if it needed to. What about the three countries you listed make you think that their military is superior to Colombia's, despite Colombia spending twice as much money on their military?

Mcknight
30-08-11, 00:53
Hmm i agree with most of the country's but don't you think holland is missing out? it's a small country but they deffinetly have a good trained army! We actually have one of the best trained sf

TeamCanada98
06-10-11, 08:50
My personal opinion

#1.United states
#2.Russian federation
#3.Isreal
#4.China
#5.Great britian
#6.Germany
#7.France & pakistan(tie)
#8.Saudi arabia
#9.North korea
#10.Canada

The U.S is obviosly number 1, as it has been tested in global conflict's, from the veitnam war to iraq & afhganistan, also with very good equipment & nuclear capability makes it a very good fighting force.

At number 2 the russian federation, with good firepower, well trained infantry and good nuclear capabilities, russia is number 2.

Isreal at number 3 for it's experienced troops, good firepower and a U.S ally it comes in at 3rd.

At number 4 is china, i know what your thinking why is china number 4, but theres a reason for that, alot of china's military has never been tested in global conflict's, but sheer size and good equipment puts it at number 4.

number 5 is Great britian, great britain is number 5 from experience & strong tie's with the U.S great britain is at number 5.

Number 6 is germany, with a fair sized military, good weapon's like the UMP-45 & M416, plus good equipment i rank it 6th.

France & pakistan tie for 7th, as pakistan has been a U.S ally for a while and have experience in the war on terror in afhganistan. france is also a pretty good military but tends to keep unit's for self defence, but it has good nuclear capabilities so it rank's 7th on my list.

At 8th is saudi arabia, being allies with the U.S and having some U.S equipment i rank them 8th.

at 9th is north korea, with a fairly strong military and out-dated but still working eqiupment, and a rumoured nuclear program i rank north korea 9th.

And at 10th i put the Canadian forces, i put the canadian forces at 10th with good equipment like the LAV-4 & CF-18 fighters plus the german leopard tank, and being one of america's best allies, and also being well trained in combat, i rank them 10th.

and that completes my list please fell free to comment.

Mabus
17-11-11, 03:50
Here are the top threes, but broken down into category. It's not as simple as using the term "best army".

By "Best", what do you mean? If you're measuring the LARGEST armies, then it goes

1. Russia (21 million including reserves and paramilitary forces)
2. North Korea (9.4 million including reserves)
3. South Korea (8.6 million including reserves)

If you're counting the active military personel ONLY, it's as follows

1. China (2.2 million)
2. USA (1.5 million)
3. North Korea (1.1 million)

If you're talking about the STRONGEST armies by nuclear deterrence (nuclear weapons stockpile) it's as follows.

1. Russia (11,000 nuclear warheads/ICBMs)
2. United States (8,500 nuclear warheads/ICBMs)
3. China (2,500 nuclear warheads/ICBMs)

Lastly, if you're talking about the most CAPABLE/STRONGEST army in terms of reach, economy and provisions, it's...

1. Russia (capable blue water navy, not thinly-stretched around the world, vast resources, global reach, space capability)
2. China (largest military budget if you value the Yuan correctly, capacity for global influence)
3. USA (based in 180 locations throughout the world but thinly stretched and economically strained)

wonder
23-11-11, 17:26
Top ten military means , not being ally.

Regarding Pakistan , Indian forces fight more than Pakistan.
Size of Indian forces larger than Pakistan.
India won all the battle against Pakistan.
Pakistan Fight against only Islamic terrorist but Indian forces fight against Islamic terrorist , Communist Naxalists and Communist Maoist supported and trained in China .
The Maoist terrorist are dangerous of all , like very brutal killing .
Pakistan to fight against India brought numerous Islamic terrorist from around the world .

Not a point here but , Bin laden was in Pakistan soil for more then 15 years as per Indian intelligence right?

Can you justify Why Pakistan , from above points ? India is also Nuclear power.

wonder
23-11-11, 17:34
I mean Being ally does not show strength. right ?
Iran has many in quantities but not guaranteed quality.
Israel has less F-15 than Saudi Arabia , but Israel has many home grown products and one of largest supplier of defense . Israeli air force can carry many continuous strikes but it is difficult for SA .
Same in case of Pakistan , were government it self i not stable .
Can you evaluate my points and reply? I will be happy to find some replies or some new points.

wonder
23-11-11, 17:42
Brahmos Cruse Missile is fastest in the cruse missile in the world.

Nuclear power Countries.

Countries with Space technologies.

Countries with good reserve forces.

Countries with largest standing army . In case of India it is 1.2 million.

Countries with aircraft carrier.


Countries by technology.

Many more you can add.

Please continue the list.:heart::smile:

wonder
23-11-11, 17:46
I got few more points .

Countries with Amphibious war fare capabilities .

Countries with latest home grown Fighter .

Countries with 4 and 4.5 generation aircrafts.

Countries with AEWS .

Countries with 5th generation fighter and fighter programs.

Countries with new aircraft carriers.

wonder
23-11-11, 17:54
Anti ballistic defense system is one of the important factor in securing its nation.

There are few countries which have developed this technology by their own .

U.S.A - Arrow.
Russia. S-300/400/500.
China.
Israel. - Arrow , Iron dome , Barak
India. - Prithvi (PAD) and AAD.

Soon Canada and France will be in the group. May be Japan , Korea and Taiwan.

SAM , cruse , ICBM , Submarine launched , MIRV etc can be considered.

ottomanempire
24-11-11, 02:05
I agree with most of yours except:

1. USA, latest tech and weapoons
2. Russia, nuclear power!
3. China, gigantic army+navy
4. India, same as China
5. UK, special forces and spies
6. France, just; all-around
7. Turkey, hard commando training leads to very tough fighters
8. South Korea, technology
9. Israel, best tech in the world besides the US and maybe Russia
10. Brazil, rapidly growing economy and military

Close behind are Japan and Germany 11th and 12th respectively

recep
13-01-12, 20:52
the world's most powerful 5th Army (american and Swedish scientists explained)



1- A.B.D
2- China
3- Russia
4- Turkey
5 - İsrael



the number of the army that the expedition





1. Turkey 15.374.000
2. People's Republic of China 12.500.000
3. United States 10.426.000
4. Russia 10.037.000
5. North Korea 9.106.000
6. South Korea 6.087.000
7. Pakistan 5,619.000
8. Germany 5.480.000
9. Iran 5,545.000
10. Vietnam 2,484.000

The Grand Empire
03-02-12, 22:10
I'm a university student in my 2nd year doing a double major in political science and history and have been personally researching and reading/watching news, information and articles on world militaries also learning from my courses and from several websites I gathered (globalfirepower.com, globalsecurity.org, nationmaster.com, cia.gov, etc.) here are my top 10 and extended Top 15 militaries in the world according to my studies and research.

1.) The United States of America - Obviously and undisputed top military in the world due to the second standing largest army and very powerful combined force of army, navy and air force, excellent military training with their marines, delta forces, seals, excellent technology and economy, numerous allies, more than 100 military bases and global influence in the world, 2nd largest nuclear arsenal (however most technologically advanced nukes), huge military budget, extensive and continuing military experience in wars such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now in Yemen, permanent member of UN Security Council, 4th largest country in the world by area/land mass and 3rd by population with over 300 million people, one of the largest military weapons technologies and producers in the world, leading member of NATO, etc.

2) People's Republic of China - largest standing army in the world as well as the largest country in the world with a population of over 1.3 billion, equally large and powerful navy and air force, good military training, improving navy and air force, between 200-300 or more nukes making it between 3rd-5th largest nuclear arsenal in the world, second highest military budget after US, growing economy and rapidly improving technology, self-sufficient in military production and huge military weapons technology, permanent member of the UN Security Council, most powerful Asian military, etc.

3) The Russian Federation - 5th largest army in the world with over 1,000,000 troops, largest nuclear arsenal in the world (one of the two most advanced nukes in the world, the other being US), largest country by area/land mass by far, one of the largest countries as well with a population of over 142 million people, most powerful Eurasian country, very disciplined and professional military training, large and powerful navy and air force as well, one of the best military technologies and weapons producers in the world, stable and growing economy after the Soviet collapse in 1990, permanent member of the UN Security Council, large military budget, one of the most experienced militaries in the world, etc.

4) Republic of India - 3rd largest standing army in the world after China and US, second largest country in the world by population after China with over 1.75 billion people, also one of the largest countries in the world by area/land mass, one of the largest and rapidly improving and powerful army, navy and air forces in the world, good military training, experienced military with wars over Pakistan and China, growing military weapons production and technology/industry, large military budget, 3rd most powerful Asian military power, etc.

5) The United Kingdom - one of the largest military budgets and economies in the world, small combined military force of army, navy and air force personnel in the world but very effective nonetheless, the most powerful navy and air force with a strong army as well in Europe and one of the best and largest navies and air forces in the world as well, permanent member of the UN Security Council, one of the leading members of NATO, one of the largest countries in Europe with 62 million population after Russia with 142+ million, Germany 80+ million, Turkey 75 million and France 65+ million, one of the best military training in the world along with US, Canada, Australia, Russia, etc., an experienced military with recent NATO involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the top nuclear powers, one of the leading NATO and EU members, etc.

6) France - permanent member of the UN Security Council, one of the best militaries in Europe and very good military training, decent sized and very powerful army, navy and air force, one of the largest economies and military budgets in the world, one of the largest countries in Europe with over 65 million people, one of the top nuclear powers, one of the leading NATO and EU members, etc.

7) Germany - largest country in Europe with over 80+ million people, one of the leading NATO and EU members, excellent military training and one of the best military weapons technology and industry in Europe and the world, 4th largest economic power in the world and one of the best technologies in the world, decent sized but very powerful and professional combined force of army, navy and air force, one of the best tanks, air craft carriers and fighting planes, and other military weapons producers in the world, not a declared nuclear power but is a member of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses a number of nuclear weapons along with Turkey, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands, one of the leading members of NATO and EU being the most populous member of EU, a defensive force but in war time can mobilize and possess a very large and powerful army and overall military, is very capable of producing its own nukes if need be but due to its bad reputation in WWI and especially WWII not allowed to acquire its own produced nukes, etc.

8) Japan - one of the best navies and air forces in the world as well as a small but very professional and well trained army, 2nd largest economy in the world and one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, one of the most populous countries in Asia and the world with over 127 million people, a defensive force like Germany but can quickly create a very large and powerful army and overall military if need be, does not possess any nuclear weapons but very capable of producing its own, due to their bad reputation in WWII like Germany restricted military, etc.

9) Republic of Turkey - most powerful military of Middle East and Central as well as Western Asia, 2nd largest army and overall military of NATO after US, excellent military training and very well trained according to NATO standards, a very large (over 1,055,000 overall military) and powerful combined force of army (514,000 active, 380,000 reserve and 144,000 paramilitary), navy (best in Middle East and the Muslim world, and air force (2nd best in Middle East after Israel), one of the largest Eurasian countries with 75 million people, largest economy in Middle East and in the Muslim world being 17th economy in the world in GDP nominal and 15th in GDP PPP, 8th largest military budget in the world, technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world as it has access to NATO weapons and produces 60% of it's own weapons and has future impressive military production projects like a native tank based on the German Leopard model jointly created by South Korea, a unique and strategically as well as geographically important country and considered a bridge between East (Asia and Russia) and West (Europe and the Americas) being near Middle East, one of the few Muslim majority (99% Muslim) countries but a secular democracy, has great influence in Middle East and in the Muslim world due to it's long legacy of Turkic empires ruling over most of Muslim lands especially from the previous Ottoman Empire (1299-1923 ruling over three continents of Arabia and Middle East, North Africa, Anatolia/Asia Minor of current day Turkey and Southeastern Europe/Balkans as well as Caucasus), part of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses 90 nuclear weapons (40-45 of them under the personal use and disposal of the Turkish air force and navy), is capable of producing it's own nuclear weapons with a growing economy and military technology, has signed a deal with neighbouring Russia to open Turkey's first nuclear power plants in the next few years after neighbouring Iran's attempts to acquire these weapons to maintain a balance of power in the region, part of G20 major economies in the world, produces food, weapons, automotives, textiles and clothing, very attractive tourist location, etc.

10) Israel - one of the best military trainings in the world, a very experienced army with it's several wars with the neighboring Arab countries since it's formation in 1948, best air force in Middle East, very self-sufficient in creating its own military weapons production/industry/technology, small but very professional and powerful army and air force and decent navy, a nuclear power, strong alliances with US, NATO/EU/Europe and Turkey, many resources and self-sufficient in these vast resources, one of the most experienced militaries in Middle East, the Muslim world and in the world in general with the Turkish Cyprus invasion in 1974, and the recently continuing civil war in the eastern part of Turkey with the separatist/communist/terrorist organization called PKK (Partiye Karkireye Kurdistan meaning Kurdistan Workers Party) for 25+ years since 1984-present, etc.

11) Islamic Republic of Iran - very good military training and professionalism, one of the top 3 largest military powers in Middle East the Muslim world and 8th in the world, large and powerful army and air force, decent navy, seeking to develop and acquire nuclear weapons, the major Shiite Muslim country, over 70 million population being one of the largest Muslim countries, strong alliances with Russia and China, an experienced army with it's recent war with Iraq from 1979/80-1988/89/90, vast reserves of oil and gas, etc.

12) Islamic Republic of Pakistan - very good military training and professionalism, the largest Muslim military power in the world with over 600,000 active troops and the 6th/7th largest in the world, very large and powerful army and air force decent navy, a very experienced army with it's wars with neighbouring India, the only Muslim nuclear power, strong alliances with Turkey and the rest of Middle East and the Muslim world especially with the Arab states, China, France and some NATO/EU/Europe, and US, largest contributor to UN peacekeeping missions with over 10,000 soldiers, second largest Muslim country and one of the largest in the world in population with 180 million people, etc.

13) Brazil - a growing military and economic power in the world, largest and most powerful military and economy in South and Latin America, strong alliances, one of the largest countries in the world by population (over 192 million people) and area/land mass (5th/6th largest in the world), etc.

14) South Korea/Republic of Korea - one of the most economically and technologically advanced countries in Asia following Japan's model, 6th largest active army in the world, a very powerful and large army, navy and air force, one of the best navy and air forces in Asia, very self-sufficient in military weapons production/industry/technology and general production, over 45 million people, strong alliances with Japan, Turkey, US and NATO/EU/Europe, etc.

15) North Korea/Democratic People's Republic of Korea - the most militarized and combat ready army in the world, the 4th largest active army in the world, a very large and powerful army and air force decent navy, over 23 million population, etc.

The US is the third largest nation

1) Russia
2) Canada
3) US
4) China

I can't post the link here, because I made this account specifically to put this here, and I cant post links, but just look up "CIA Factbook", and click the US. Click Geography, and you'll see the size of the nation, and it says 3rd in the world. Click the three if you want the world list.

B.Poster
26-02-12, 04:21
With all due respect any discussion of military power that does not give considerable conisderation to nuclear weapons is incomplete. Nuclear weapons are the most powerful and effective weapons in the world. A country with a large enough arsenal who has the means to deliver these weapons can project its will any where in the world at any time. While the US may still possess a "qualitative" edge at the moment over Russia and China, Russia has the largest and most advanced nuclear arsenal in the world at the moment, as well as the most advanced and reliable delivery systems for these weapons. In addition the US has allowed its nuclear capabilities and its delivery capabilities to erode in recent decades.

Russia's nuclear edge offsets any "qualitative" conventional edge the US may still have. China has vast numbers that the US cannot match. These vast numbers would quickly overwhelm any "qualitative" edge America may still possess over them. In a military confrontation with China, America would lose badly in a conventional figth. America's only option would be a nuclear one. Also, in any fight with China, America will definitely be fighting Russia also and very likely China as well. The same applies in a fight with Russia as well. If Russia needed assistance in a conventional fight, China would come to their aid. this would quickly overwhelm any qualitative edge America may have. With Russia's vast nuclear arsenal going nulcear against Russia is not feasible.

Essentially China's vast numbers cancel out any qualitative edge America may have. Russia's nulcear arsenal cancels out America's nuclear option. In addition, a fight against either of these countries will lead to fighting the other as well. Also, Russia, China, and other nations have upgraded their militaries in recent years. America has not. As such, any qualitative edge America has oir may have is diminishing rapidly. Also, America has neglectd the "hard sciences" such as math, chemistry, physics, and engineering in its education system in favor of politically correct teachings such as "native American studies", "emancipation of enslaved peoples studies", "LGBT rights studies", "man caused global warming", and a plethora of other things. As such, America does not have the skilled personnel to remain competitive with up and coming powers or Russia and China for any length of time.

Even if those problems of lack of skilled personnel could be solved, which would take a decade or more to get a handle on even if America changed its education system right this instance, America faces an additional problems of massive national debt and a crumbling infrastructure. Much will need to be done to address all of this. If this is not bad enough, America lacks any kind of manufacturing base to manufacture things to meet its basic needs, let alone build what would be needed to win a military confrontation with the likes of Russia and China. Given America's lack of the skilled personnel, the manufacturing infrastructure, its crumbling civilian infrastructure, and its massive national debt, there is almost zero possiblity that America is going to be able to compete with Russia or China in any meaningful way in the short to mid term or very likely the long term.

Given these factors, America will continue to weaken while China and likely Russia will grow stronger. There's simply no way for America to realistically expect to compete. Also, America holds the position of being the most universially despised country on the planet. In any confrontation with Russia, China, or any other combination of powers, these others can count on help. America cannot.

The hurdles for America are massive. I have no doubt that Russian and Chinese leaders wake up each and every morning thanking whatever god or gods they believe in that the problems their nations face are no where near as severe as those faced by America.

Finally, America may be the most powerful nation today but, if so, given all the factors laid out above this will only continue to be the case for another year or so, two years at the most.

Mid to long range for world powers would be as follows, if we are talking about winning a war.
1.) Russia
2.) China
3.) India
4.) Israel
5.) Iran
6.) North Korea
7.) Pakistan
8.) Brazil
9.) Iraq
10.) Venezuela

The US is not even on the list. At this point, the US has no real prospect to be competitive as a major world power. In addition, it has Russia, China, Iran, and a host of other countries literally gunning for it. America should focus on its survival and not on global power. With all the issues laid out above, America's survival as a soverign entity is less than 50% over the next five year period and this assumes its current leadership is replaced with competent leaders. The problems have simply allowed to go on too long and have become to massive. Under current management, America's survival prosepcts over a two to five year period are less than 1%.

Currently a list of the top military powers would likely be
1.) Russia
2.) China
3.) USA (a VERY distant third)

The rest of the current list I could not quibble to much with, however, Pakistan should be listed ahead of the United Kingdom. France, and Germany. With all due respect any analysis of military power that does not consider nukes first and foremost is at best incomplete. Also, long range trends need to be considered as well. In the current situation America's prospects are dim and mid to long range they are even dimmer. Essentially America should not be ranked number one in military capabilities. In fact the country is not even close to Russia and China and barring something extrodinary the likes of which has been seldom if ever seen in world history the superiority of Russia and China over America in military force capability will only become wider in coming years.

L.D.Brousse
13-03-12, 19:06
1# is the USA
2# Russia
3# England and Germany tied
China to me is not there yet they just got their first aircraft carrier used from the Ukraine. Yes some countries maybe a nuclear power. I would not expect any western nation nor China would ever use them. And the others that have them lack good delivery systems making them more of a local threat than global. If a power was to use nukes or bio weapons today I think the response would be devastating to them. I would also like to say some of the nations that has supplied troops for the global war on terrorism are great to. I had the honor to meet troops from Croatia Albania England in Iraq I know Romania Poland and Germany and many others have got into the trenches as well .And my Hat goes off to all my brothers in arms

gentrygary9
20-05-12, 03:40
With all due respect and as a fellow American, I cant believe you made all these crazy assumptions based on what? America has its problems granted but so does every country basically in the world. Plus you loved to highlight this China-Russia pact but have you not heard of NATO? Plus the US has mutual defense treaties with numerous powerful countries around the world not in NATO ( Japan, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand) etc. Plus India would more than likely side with the US also. America is not doing great but there's hope still if we can keep President Obama in office and get rid of most of the obstructionist Republican element in both houses of Congress we could pull out of this malaise we find ourselves in now. I for one believe in America and its amazing ability of pulling together to get through anything. This is all conjecture of course but I felt I had to respond after reading such a negative view of America.

Severync10
06-06-12, 13:25
10 best armies in the world:
1. USA
2.China
3.United Kingdom
4.Russia
5.Israel
6.India
7.France
8.Germany
9.Pakistan
10.Turkey

ehtsam
12-06-12, 17:12
I'm a university student in my 2nd year doing a double major in political science and history and have been personally researching and reading/watching news, information and articles on world militaries also learning from my courses and from several websites I gathered (globalfirepower.com, globalsecurity.org, nationmaster.com, cia.gov, etc.) here are my top 10 and extended Top 15 militaries in the world according to my studies and research.

1.) The United States of America - Obviously and undisputed top military in the world due to the second standing largest army and very powerful combined force of army, navy and air force, excellent military training with their marines, delta forces, seals, excellent technology and economy, numerous allies, more than 100 military bases and global influence in the world, 2nd largest nuclear arsenal (however most technologically advanced nukes), huge military budget, extensive and continuing military experience in wars such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now in Yemen, permanent member of UN Security Council, 4th largest country in the world by area/land mass and 3rd by population with over 300 million people, one of the largest military weapons technologies and producers in the world, leading member of NATO, etc.

2) People's Republic of China - largest standing army in the world as well as the largest country in the world with a population of over 1.3 billion, equally large and powerful navy and air force, good military training, improving navy and air force, between 200-300 or more nukes making it between 3rd-5th largest nuclear arsenal in the world, second highest military budget after US, growing economy and rapidly improving technology, self-sufficient in military production and huge military weapons technology, permanent member of the UN Security Council, most powerful Asian military, etc.

3) The Russian Federation - 5th largest army in the world with over 1,000,000 troops, largest nuclear arsenal in the world (one of the two most advanced nukes in the world, the other being US), largest country by area/land mass by far, one of the largest countries as well with a population of over 142 million people, most powerful Eurasian country, very disciplined and professional military training, large and powerful navy and air force as well, one of the best military technologies and weapons producers in the world, stable and growing economy after the Soviet collapse in 1990, permanent member of the UN Security Council, large military budget, one of the most experienced militaries in the world, etc.

4) Republic of India - 3rd largest standing army in the world after China and US, second largest country in the world by population after China with over 1.75 billion people, also one of the largest countries in the world by area/land mass, one of the largest and rapidly improving and powerful army, navy and air forces in the world, good military training, experienced military with wars over Pakistan and China, growing military weapons production and technology/industry, large military budget, 3rd most powerful Asian military power, etc.

5) The United Kingdom - one of the largest military budgets and economies in the world, small combined military force of army, navy and air force personnel in the world but very effective nonetheless, the most powerful navy and air force with a strong army as well in Europe and one of the best and largest navies and air forces in the world as well, permanent member of the UN Security Council, one of the leading members of NATO, one of the largest countries in Europe with 62 million population after Russia with 142+ million, Germany 80+ million, Turkey 75 million and France 65+ million, one of the best military training in the world along with US, Canada, Australia, Russia, etc., an experienced military with recent NATO involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the top nuclear powers, one of the leading NATO and EU members, etc.

6) France - permanent member of the UN Security Council, one of the best militaries in Europe and very good military training, decent sized and very powerful army, navy and air force, one of the largest economies and military budgets in the world, one of the largest countries in Europe with over 65 million people, one of the top nuclear powers, one of the leading NATO and EU members, etc.

7) Germany - largest country in Europe with over 80+ million people, one of the leading NATO and EU members, excellent military training and one of the best military weapons technology and industry in Europe and the world, 4th largest economic power in the world and one of the best technologies in the world, decent sized but very powerful and professional combined force of army, navy and air force, one of the best tanks, air craft carriers and fighting planes, and other military weapons producers in the world, not a declared nuclear power but is a member of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses a number of nuclear weapons along with Turkey, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands, one of the leading members of NATO and EU being the most populous member of EU, a defensive force but in war time can mobilize and possess a very large and powerful army and overall military, is very capable of producing its own nukes if need be but due to its bad reputation in WWI and especially WWII not allowed to acquire its own produced nukes, etc.

8) Japan - one of the best navies and air forces in the world as well as a small but very professional and well trained army, 2nd largest economy in the world and one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, one of the most populous countries in Asia and the world with over 127 million people, a defensive force like Germany but can quickly create a very large and powerful army and overall military if need be, does not possess any nuclear weapons but very capable of producing its own, due to their bad reputation in WWII like Germany restricted military, etc.

9) Republic of Turkey - most powerful military of Middle East and Central as well as Western Asia, 2nd largest army and overall military of NATO after US, excellent military training and very well trained according to NATO standards, a very large (over 1,055,000 overall military) and powerful combined force of army (514,000 active, 380,000 reserve and 144,000 paramilitary), navy (best in Middle East and the Muslim world, and air force (2nd best in Middle East after Israel), one of the largest Eurasian countries with 75 million people, largest economy in Middle East and in the Muslim world being 17th economy in the world in GDP nominal and 15th in GDP PPP, 8th largest military budget in the world, technologically and in military weapons industry the best in Middle East and in the Muslim world as it has access to NATO weapons and produces 60% of it's own weapons and has future impressive military production projects like a native tank based on the German Leopard model jointly created by South Korea, a unique and strategically as well as geographically important country and considered a bridge between East (Asia and Russia) and West (Europe and the Americas) being near Middle East, one of the few Muslim majority (99% Muslim) countries but a secular democracy, has great influence in Middle East and in the Muslim world due to it's long legacy of Turkic empires ruling over most of Muslim lands especially from the previous Ottoman Empire (1299-1923 ruling over three continents of Arabia and Middle East, North Africa, Anatolia/Asia Minor of current day Turkey and Southeastern Europe/Balkans as well as Caucasus), part of the NATO nuclear sharing policy and possesses 90 nuclear weapons (40-45 of them under the personal use and disposal of the Turkish air force and navy), is capable of producing it's own nuclear weapons with a growing economy and military technology, has signed a deal with neighbouring Russia to open Turkey's first nuclear power plants in the next few years after neighbouring Iran's attempts to acquire these weapons to maintain a balance of power in the region, part of G20 major economies in the world, produces food, weapons, automotives, textiles and clothing, very attractive tourist location, etc.

10) Israel - one of the best military trainings in the world, a very experienced army with it's several wars with the neighboring Arab countries since it's formation in 1948, best air force in Middle East, very self-sufficient in creating its own military weapons production/industry/technology, small but very professional and powerful army and air force and decent navy, a nuclear power, strong alliances with US, NATO/EU/Europe and Turkey, many resources and self-sufficient in these vast resources, one of the most experienced militaries in Middle East, the Muslim world and in the world in general with the Turkish Cyprus invasion in 1974, and the recently continuing civil war in the eastern part of Turkey with the separatist/communist/terrorist organization called PKK (Partiye Karkireye Kurdistan meaning Kurdistan Workers Party) for 25+ years since 1984-present, etc.

11) Islamic Republic of Iran - very good military training and professionalism, one of the top 3 largest military powers in Middle East the Muslim world and 8th in the world, large and powerful army and air force, decent navy, seeking to develop and acquire nuclear weapons, the major Shiite Muslim country, over 70 million population being one of the largest Muslim countries, strong alliances with Russia and China, an experienced army with it's recent war with Iraq from 1979/80-1988/89/90, vast reserves of oil and gas, etc.

12) Islamic Republic of Pakistan - very good military training and professionalism, the largest Muslim military power in the world with over 600,000 active troops and the 6th/7th largest in the world, very large and powerful army and air force decent navy, a very experienced army with it's wars with neighbouring India, the only Muslim nuclear power, strong alliances with Turkey and the rest of Middle East and the Muslim world especially with the Arab states, China, France and some NATO/EU/Europe, and US, largest contributor to UN peacekeeping missions with over 10,000 soldiers, second largest Muslim country and one of the largest in the world in population with 180 million people, etc.

13) Brazil - a growing military and economic power in the world, largest and most powerful military and economy in South and Latin America, strong alliances, one of the largest countries in the world by population (over 192 million people) and area/land mass (5th/6th largest in the world), etc.

14) South Korea/Republic of Korea - one of the most economically and technologically advanced countries in Asia following Japan's model, 6th largest active army in the world, a very powerful and large army, navy and air force, one of the best navy and air forces in Asia, very self-sufficient in military weapons production/industry/technology and general production, over 45 million people, strong alliances with Japan, Turkey, US and NATO/EU/Europe, etc.

15) North Korea/Democratic People's Republic of Korea - the most militarized and combat ready army in the world, the 4th largest active army in the world, a very large and powerful army and air force decent navy, over 23 million population, etc.
my friend you forget to mention one thing about pakistan. pakistan air force took part in arab israel wars in 67 & 74. PAF shoot down some israel jets with any loss.

ehtsam
12-06-12, 17:14
READ AGAIN PLZ
my friend you forget to mention one thing about pakistan. pakistan air force took part in arab israel wars in 67 & 74. PAF shoot down some israel jets without any loss.

ehtsam
12-06-12, 17:29
with due respect india did not win all wars from pakistan. just few minutes before attack on pakistan indian general said "i,ll take breakfast in LAHORE(pakistani city)". but he was unable to do so. in 1971 we lost war and east pakistan (current bangladesh) too. in KARGIL WAR war was fought in kargil that is far away from LOC (line of control between paki & indian kashmir). if it was fought there then a question arises how pakistani forces went there? ofcourse paki forces captured all that land. & paki fources with draw from there bcoz of USA involvement and support to india.

ehtsam
12-06-12, 17:30
Top ten military means , not being ally.

Regarding Pakistan , Indian forces fight more than Pakistan.
Size of Indian forces larger than Pakistan.
India won all the battle against Pakistan.
Pakistan Fight against only Islamic terrorist but Indian forces fight against Islamic terrorist , Communist Naxalists and Communist Maoist supported and trained in China .
The Maoist terrorist are dangerous of all , like very brutal killing .
Pakistan to fight against India brought numerous Islamic terrorist from around the world .

Not a point here but , Bin laden was in Pakistan soil for more then 15 years as per Indian intelligence right?

Can you justify Why Pakistan , from above points ? India is also Nuclear power.
with due respect india did not win all wars from pakistan. just few minutes before attack on pakistan indian general said "i,ll take breakfast in LAHORE(pakistani city)". but he was unable to do so. in 1971 we lost war and east pakistan (current bangladesh) too. in KARGIL WAR war was fought in kargil that is far away from LOC (line of control between paki & indian kashmir). if it was fought there then a question arises how pakistani forces went there? ofcourse paki forces captured all that land. & paki fources with draw from there bcoz of USA involvement and support to india.

Ameroman
17-06-12, 10:31
I think china actually far outstrips the EU in terms of power. The reason being not simply because it has a large military. If i was a more seasoned poster, I would link you some articles on this, but since I cant, Im relegated to simply stating that the US believes that China is not far away from completely outstripping the United States' military power in the region. Keep in mind that we have Japan right on their doorstep, with its own powerfull navy as you pointed out. You should youtube China vs US: empires at war sometime. Im not really sure who the video was created by, but because I dont know, I wont claim it to be entirely credible. However, If you go on newsdaily sometime and look at some stuff related to US China military relations, there was just an article about the double-digit increase in expendatures for the past 10 years EVERY year. Meanwhile, the EU has been criticized US commanders for not doing enough for itself. I guess the EU had to have ammunition and logistics provided by the US in order to even execute the attacks on Libya. Look it up sometime.

Ameroman
17-06-12, 10:43
I disagree with your position. The only thing that matters in nuclear war is offensive power. Neither Russia, nor China have ANY kind of missle defence system, and neither does the US when you get down to it even thoug we have the technology. I dont understand how you could make the statement that any nations nuclear arsenal "erodes" another quantitatively or qualitatively. Literally it just comes down to the questions "do you have enough nuclear weapons to canvas all of their population centers?" and "Can you deliver those nuclear weapons to their targets?". At this point, the United States Is definately is capable of delivering their nuclear arsenal via submarines and my perception is that China also has this capability, albeit more limited. Russia still relies far too heavily on ICBM systems. Russia's Solution to the proposed missle defence system in Eastern Europe was literally to move soo many nuclear missles that they couldnt be shot down, so close to "enemy" territory that they would inflict massive damage if destroyed in the sky above the territory. Literally, so long as you have Mutually Assured Destruction intact, the orininal posters thread is completely valid because all of the developed nations nuclear capabilites are more than enough to wipe everyone out. The only other ballpark to play in is conventional weapons against 3rd world countries like pakistan.

Ameroman
17-06-12, 10:48
Sorry for not making it explicit in who I originally intended my post for, so I am reposting in response to B.Poster


With all due respect any discussion of military power that does not give considerable conisderation to nuclear weapons is incomplete. Nuclear weapons are the most powerful and effective weapons in the world. A country with a large enough arsenal who has the means to deliver these weapons can project its will any where in the world at any time. While the US may still possess a "qualitative" edge at the moment over Russia and China, Russia has the largest and most advanced nuclear arsenal in the world at the moment, as well as the most advanced and reliable delivery systems for these weapons. In addition the US has allowed its nuclear capabilities and its delivery capabilities to erode in recent decades.

Russia's nuclear edge offsets any "qualitative" conventional edge the US may still have. China has vast numbers that the US cannot match. These vast numbers would quickly overwhelm any "qualitative" edge America may still possess over them. In a military confrontation with China, America would lose badly in a conventional figth. America's only option would be a nuclear one. Also, in any fight with China, America will definitely be fighting Russia also and very likely China as well. The same applies in a fight with Russia as well. If Russia needed assistance in a conventional fight, China would come to their aid. this would quickly overwhelm any qualitative edge America may have. With Russia's vast nuclear arsenal going nulcear against Russia is not feasible.

Essentially China's vast numbers cancel out any qualitative edge America may have. Russia's nulcear arsenal cancels out America's nuclear option. In addition, a fight against either of these countries will lead to fighting the other as well. Also, Russia, China, and other nations have upgraded their militaries in recent years. America has not. As such, any qualitative edge America has oir may have is diminishing rapidly. Also, America has neglectd the "hard sciences" such as math, chemistry, physics, and engineering in its education system in favor of politically correct teachings such as "native American studies", "emancipation of enslaved peoples studies", "LGBT rights studies", "man caused global warming", and a plethora of other things. As such, America does not have the skilled personnel to remain competitive with up and coming powers or Russia and China for any length of time.

Even if those problems of lack of skilled personnel could be solved, which would take a decade or more to get a handle on even if America changed its education system right this instance, America faces an additional problems of massive national debt and a crumbling infrastructure. Much will need to be done to address all of this. If this is not bad enough, America lacks any kind of manufacturing base to manufacture things to meet its basic needs, let alone build what would be needed to win a military confrontation with the likes of Russia and China. Given America's lack of the skilled personnel, the manufacturing infrastructure, its crumbling civilian infrastructure, and its massive national debt, there is almost zero possiblity that America is going to be able to compete with Russia or China in any meaningful way in the short to mid term or very likely the long term.

Given these factors, America will continue to weaken while China and likely Russia will grow stronger. There's simply no way for America to realistically expect to compete. Also, America holds the position of being the most universially despised country on the planet. In any confrontation with Russia, China, or any other combination of powers, these others can count on help. America cannot.

The hurdles for America are massive. I have no doubt that Russian and Chinese leaders wake up each and every morning thanking whatever god or gods they believe in that the problems their nations face are no where near as severe as those faced by America.

Finally, America may be the most powerful nation today but, if so, given all the factors laid out above this will only continue to be the case for another year or so, two years at the most.

Mid to long range for world powers would be as follows, if we are talking about winning a war.
1.) Russia
2.) China
3.) India
4.) Israel
5.) Iran
6.) North Korea
7.) Pakistan
8.) Brazil
9.) Iraq
10.) Venezuela

The US is not even on the list. At this point, the US has no real prospect to be competitive as a major world power. In addition, it has Russia, China, Iran, and a host of other countries literally gunning for it. America should focus on its survival and not on global power. With all the issues laid out above, America's survival as a soverign entity is less than 50% over the next five year period and this assumes its current leadership is replaced with competent leaders. The problems have simply allowed to go on too long and have become to massive. Under current management, America's survival prosepcts over a two to five year period are less than 1%.

Currently a list of the top military powers would likely be
1.) Russia
2.) China
3.) USA (a VERY distant third)

The rest of the current list I could not quibble to much with, however, Pakistan should be listed ahead of the United Kingdom. France, and Germany. With all due respect any analysis of military power that does not consider nukes first and foremost is at best incomplete. Also, long range trends need to be considered as well. In the current situation America's prospects are dim and mid to long range they are even dimmer. Essentially America should not be ranked number one in military capabilities. In fact the country is not even close to Russia and China and barring something extrodinary the likes of which has been seldom if ever seen in world history the superiority of Russia and China over America in military force capability will only become wider in coming years.

I disagree with your position. The only thing that matters in nuclear war is offensive power. Neither Russia, nor China have ANY kind of missle defence system, and neither does the US when you get down to it even thoug we have the technology. I dont understand how you could make the statement that any nations nuclear arsenal "erodes" another quantitatively or qualitatively. Literally it just comes down to the questions "do you have enough nuclear weapons to canvas all of their population centers?" and "Can you deliver those nuclear weapons to their targets?". At this point, the United States Is definately is capable of delivering their nuclear arsenal via submarines and my perception is that China also has this capability, albeit more limited. Russia still relies far too heavily on ICBM systems. Russia's Solution to the proposed missle defence system in Eastern Europe was literally to move soo many nuclear missles that they couldnt be shot down, so close to "enemy" territory that they would inflict massive damage if destroyed in the sky above the territory. Literally, so long as you have Mutually Assured Destruction intact, the orininal posters thread is completely valid because all of the developed nations nuclear capabilites are more than enough to wipe everyone out. The only other ballpark to play in is conventional weapons against 3rd world countries like pakistan.

Ameroman
17-06-12, 10:54
with due respect india did not win all wars from pakistan. just few minutes before attack on pakistan indian general said "i,ll take breakfast in LAHORE(pakistani city)". but he was unable to do so. in 1971 we lost war and east pakistan (current bangladesh) too. in KARGIL WAR war was fought in kargil that is far away from LOC (line of control between paki & indian kashmir). if it was fought there then a question arises how pakistani forces went there? ofcourse paki forces captured all that land. & paki fources with draw from there bcoz of USA involvement and support to india.

Dont forget that the United States Holds all of pakistans nuclear weapons. I forget where I saw that, but go ahead and check it out on google. Im sure you will find it.

Ameroman
17-06-12, 11:30
Anti ballistic defense system is one of the important factor in securing its nation.

There are few countries which have developed this technology by their own .

U.S.A - Arrow.
Russia. S-300/400/500.
China.
Israel. - Arrow , Iron dome , Barak
India. - Prithvi (PAD) and AAD.

Soon Canada and France will be in the group. May be Japan , Korea and Taiwan.

SAM , cruse , ICBM , Submarine launched , MIRV etc can be considered.

Thats pretty interesting. I didnt know India had developed anything. I had heard the russians had been working on something for a while, but didnt know the name. I also noticed you were from India: an interesting thing I might say india has going for it is that you have the Sikh people with you. In my opinion they are some of the best fighters, and best people (culturally speaking) in the world. I would be interested in hearing any comments you have on that subject to be honest.

MrMed
19-06-12, 12:52
Okay, first of all the Russian Federation right now has way way less poverty in their cities than the US does by fact. Also, the US does not own the competition because the fact the matter is that Russia is the largest country on Earth and a country can invade but will never be able to hold it because no country can keep that much space under control and the Russian military by far has one of the best and most grusome military basic trainings in the world and they the the worlds most elite fighting forces the VDV Paratroopers and the Spetsnaz. But luckily right now the US and Russian Federation are getting along and doing better than ever and are doing air mission training, anti terrorism exercises, and ground force exercises as well.

Here are mine;

1. United States

Big Gap Here

2. Russia

Big Gap Here

3. China

4. India

5. United Kingdom

6. France

7. Germany

8. Japan

9. Brazil

10. Pakistan


Obviously United States owns the competition. No military comes close anymore. Russia obviously comes next, with a large geographic size, okay population, and high tech weapons from the old Soviet Union (although their poverty is bringing them down).

China and India come next with the largest populations and one of the largest land areas. China has the largest overall armed forces, India has the second largest overall armed forces.

United Kingdom and France comes next with technology (especially Britain's special forces) as good as Russia, maybe even better. Their small size and population keeps them a BIT lower than the other Eurasian giants.

Germany and Japan (especially Japan) has had a lot of international pressure against military build-up but they still have one of the best armed forces. Germany has some of the finest tank forces in the world. Japan still has a power navy, although it has decreased quite a bit since WWII.

I wasn't sure who would come next but after some thinking Brazil seems powerful enough. It has a large geographic size and population and their armed forces are pretty big too. They also have a pretty large economy to make up for anything else. Pakistan would come next, with a pretty large military. They have also developed nukes (this list doesn't focus much on nukes but it deserves a mention in this case none the less).

What are your top 10?[/QUOTE]

MrMed
19-06-12, 13:03
This statement here, "9% Russia - Russia is performing poorly demographicly and economicly." is a load of macho bullshit. Russias government and economy is improving greatly since the fall of the USSR and just in general. Russia right now has the of the most valuable and most needed resourses such as oil, petroleum etc. Right now democracy in Russia is doing better and is improving too, and the poverty rate in russia right now is dropping which is a very good thing and it means people are getting jobs across the country

Old A 6 Driver
02-07-12, 02:46
If any of the major nuclear powers were to ever launch and all out exchange, read the 1950's novel "On the Beach" by Nevil shute

It is highly likely that the only humans (With exceptions of small pockets who would quickly pass on) left would be the crews of the boomers, the nuclear missile subs that are virtually untouchable (Well, at least the US ones are, the Russian ones seem to sink and crash a lot on their own when they are able to put to sea)

The Trident subs at sea during any particular time are much more than capable of destroying just about every living thing on earth with over 1 million times the destructive force of the bombs dropped on Japan circa 1945. This doesn't even take into consideration the four Ohio class that have been retrofitted as "Cruise missile" subs, each one carrying more nuclear tipped cruise missiles than an entire Carrier battle group

Some land based ICBMs "might' get through before the subs got them, highly doubt and bombers would,and your argument about who has the best special forces, well I hope they can dig holes real deep and kiss their as* good bye

As it was once said: I don't know what weapons WW III will be fought with, but WW IV will be with sticks and stones

These subs would launch, their missiles would get through and .........

Keegah
02-07-12, 21:10
MAD's a pretty strong deterrent, though.

Of course, religious zealotry can be even stronger. Hence why all the world needs to do everything in its power to stabilize Pakistan. The consequences of our not doing so might turn out to be catastrophic in the long run.

Are you a Navy vet Driver?

JFWR
11-07-12, 05:36
MAD's a pretty strong deterrent, though.

Of course, religious zealotry can be even stronger. Hence why all the world needs to do everything in its power to stabilize Pakistan. The consequences of our not doing so might turn out to be catastrophic in the long run.

Are you a Navy vet Driver?

It's a frightening prospect if Pakistan were to fall and its nuclear arms got into the hands of Moslem extremists.

Old A 6 Driver
11-07-12, 12:08
JFWR & Keegah, yes. 22 years, went from driving A-6's to "playing" with S 3 for time, then schools, Squadron Commander etc. Couldn't see well enough any more and getting that fourth stripe is near impossible unless engaged in war, so now I'm a useless old fat guy

JFWR
11-07-12, 17:21
JFWR & Keegah, yes. 22 years, went from driving A-6's to "playing" with S 3 for time, then schools, Squadron Commander etc. Couldn't see well enough any more and getting that fourth stripe is near impossible unless engaged in war, so now I'm a useless old fat guy


That's really impressive.

Keegah
11-07-12, 17:45
Cool. Thank you for your service, sir.

Cire
15-07-12, 01:36
Measuring a military by the size of it's army is misleading. Look at iraq in Kuwait, Iraq had at least a top 20 army and the US defeated it in 3 days (size doesn't always matter). On N Korea while it's army is large it suffers from a lack of food, the height of the average solder has been dropping for years showing poor diet. When solders have to steal food from civilians you have a major problem.

Cire
15-07-12, 01:42
I strongly agree with you on a united EU and if a conflict should some up between the EU and Russia the EU has a strong edge over Russia.

Cire
15-07-12, 02:15
I like to look at the problem from multiple sides offensive, defensive, air, sea and land capability. I think scoring on the size of an army is a mistake look at the US vs Iraq 3 days. Some countries have large army's just to keep there population in line. US is unquestionably number one, more aircraft, ships, carriers, subs etc Russia has more tanks and towed artillery same with China. US has the capability to go any where and fight something neither Russia or China can do. Russia is having problems with a lack of NCOS and way to many officers. They have been raiding colleges to fill there personnel needs. They had trouble with Georgia who's military is rated in the thirties in 2008.

Cire
15-07-12, 02:29
Interesting rating Israel #3 good military, good equipment and experienced.

Cire
15-07-12, 02:56
Nuclear weapons are a status symbol only. Russia and China keeps bringing them up to compensate for a lack in conventional capability. No one is going to use them first knowing the other side will return fire. It's kind of being locked in a room with someone and your only weapon is a grenade how do you use it?

Keegah
15-07-12, 03:08
You can edit your posts dude. No need to write 5 in a row.

Cire
15-07-12, 03:29
I think china actually far outstrips the EU in terms of power. The reason being not simply because it has a large military. If i was a more seasoned poster, I would link you some articles on this, but since I cant, Im relegated to simply stating that the US believes that China is not far away from completely outstripping the United States' military power in the region. Keep in mind that we have Japan right on their doorstep, with its own powerfull navy as you pointed out. You should youtube China vs US: empires at war sometime. Im not really sure who the video was created by, but because I dont know, I wont claim it to be entirely credible. However, If you go on newsdaily sometime and look at some stuff related to US China military relations, there was just an article about the double-digit increase in expendatures for the past 10 years EVERY year. Meanwhile, the EU has been criticized US commanders for not doing enough for itself. I guess the EU had to have ammunition and logistics provided by the US in order to even execute the attacks on Libya. Look it up sometime.


The 27 EU nations are more than a match for a conflict with either Russia or China. Their defense budget is more than twice Russia's and larger than China's.

Cire
15-07-12, 03:42
Okay, first of all the Russian Federation right now has way way less poverty in their cities than the US does by fact. Also, the US does not own the competition because the fact the matter is that Russia is the largest country on Earth and a country can invade but will never be able to hold it because no country can keep that much space under control and the Russian military by far has one of the best and most grusome military basic trainings in the world and they the the worlds most elite fighting forces the VDV Paratroopers and the Spetsnaz. But luckily right now the US and Russian Federation are getting along and doing better than ever and are doing air mission training, anti terrorism exercises, and ground force exercises as well.

Here are mine;

1. United States

Big Gap Here

2. Russia

Big Gap Here

3. China

4. India

5. United Kingdom

6. France

7. Germany

8. Japan

9. Brazil

10. Pakistan


Obviously United States owns the competition. No military comes close anymore. Russia obviously comes next, with a large geographic size, okay population, and high tech weapons from the old Soviet Union (although their poverty is bringing them down).

China and India come next with the largest populations and one of the largest land areas. China has the largest overall armed forces, India has the second largest overall armed forces.

United Kingdom and France comes next with technology (especially Britain's special forces) as good as Russia, maybe even better. Their small size and population keeps them a BIT lower than the other Eurasian giants.

Germany and Japan (especially Japan) has had a lot of international pressure against military build-up but they still have one of the best armed forces. Germany has some of the finest tank forces in the world. Japan still has a power navy, although it has decreased quite a bit since WWII.

I wasn't sure who would come next but after some thinking Brazil seems powerful enough. It has a large geographic size and population and their armed forces are pretty big too. They also have a pretty large economy to make up for anything else. Pakistan would come next, with a pretty large military. They have also developed nukes (this list doesn't focus much on nukes but it deserves a mention in this case none the less).

What are your top 10?[/QUOTE]


How do you account for Russia having so much trouble with Georgia? Have you read the stories of Russia having to gang pressed to fill there military numbers? Which countries can Russia count on in a conflict?

ancient
15-07-12, 03:43
http://www.globalfirepower.com/ -as the name suggest [sry cant post links yet :<]
http://nationranking.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/2011-npi/ - national power index. Note that theres a joint Eu included down in this page.
Now, theres a term "overkill capacity" which basically is how many times can i destroy the whole Earth with my nukes. Overkill capacity of 1 was reached in 50s or 60s, cant remember exactly.
The problem with the nuke is that sooner or later the someone inappropriate(mad!) is gonna lay hands on it, therefore a antinuclear missile shield would be a good thing to have ( thanks Obama for abandoning the plans).
@Circe. You dont use the grenade but no one severely attacks you either.

LeBrok
15-07-12, 06:17
@Circe. You dont use the grenade but no one severely attacks you either.
Unless you are a suicide bomber...

JFWR
15-07-12, 06:52
The 27 EU nations are more than a match for a conflict with either Russia or China. Their defense budget is more than twice Russia's and larger than China's.

No national unity, chain of command, little actual interest from individual member states, disparate languages amongst the members of the military, member states accustomed to little participation in war (excluding the UK)...

I would trust more in the British and Germany militaries alone than in the pell-mell confederation of Europe as a whole.

JFWR
15-07-12, 06:53
Unless you are a suicide bomber...

Insurgent tactics only work on weak, civilized people, unwilling to win wars without conscience. See how the Zealots (the original suicide bombers) fared against the Romans.

All modern militaries, with the exception of China and potentially some aspects of Russia, are hamstringed by internationalist moral concerns. The US would never flatten a country absent a nuclear strike.

JFWR
15-07-12, 06:55
http://www.globalfirepower.com/ -as the name suggest [sry cant post links yet :<]
http://nationranking.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/2011-npi/ - national power index. Note that theres a joint Eu included down in this page.
Now, theres a term "overkill capacity" which basically is how many times can i destroy the whole Earth with my nukes. Overkill capacity of 1 was reached in 50s or 60s, cant remember exactly.
The problem with the nuke is that sooner or later the someone inappropriate(mad!) is gonna lay hands on it, therefore a antinuclear missile shield would be a good thing to have ( thanks Obama for abandoning the plans).
@Circe. You dont use the grenade but no one severely attacks you either.

A small nuclear stockpile wouldn't be sufficient to really hurt the US. The US is too big and their targets too spread out to be hit by a stockpile of one or two devices. MOreover, if they used it on the US, they can be sure that they will be annihilated. US policy is to respond to all nuclear attacks with annihilation of the country.

Say if Iran launched a nuke on US forces. The Iranian plateau would be the largest open market for land on the cheap a year later.

Cire
15-07-12, 14:45
No national unity, chain of command, little actual interest from individual member states, disparate languages amongst the members of the military, member states accustomed to little participation in war (excluding the UK)...

I would trust more in the British and Germany militaries alone than in the pell-mell confederation of Europe as a whole.

I agree the union of european countries has never had their resolve tested but isn't that saying something in itself? Their common foe Russia has never attracted any of there countries and has exhibited anger over Finland's leaning toward NATO, same with Georgia and the Ukrain. if a conflict did break out I feel certain Russia would be the aggressor and the EU would stand together.

Old A 6 Driver
10-08-12, 19:04
Insurgent tactics only work on weak, civilized people, unwilling to win wars without conscience. See how the Zealots (the original suicide bombers) fared against the Romans.

All modern militaries, with the exception of China and potentially some aspects of Russia, are hamstringed by internationalist moral concerns. The US would never flatten a country absent a nuclear strike.

The US is not so much worried about a ICBM but a device in the back of a U Haul truck or the trunk of an automobile

JFWR
11-08-12, 05:31
I agree the union of european countries has never had their resolve tested but isn't that saying something in itself? Their common foe Russia has never attracted any of there countries and has exhibited anger over Finland's leaning toward NATO, same with Georgia and the Ukrain. if a conflict did break out I feel certain Russia would be the aggressor and the EU would stand together.

I don't think so. Most Europeans are ill-inclined to war to begin with, and unless the Russians were rushing the borders of European countries with tank columns, they might just try endless bouts of "diplomacy".

Consider how weak Europe's "objections" to Russian aggression has been in the past.

JFWR
11-08-12, 05:33
The US is not so much worried about a ICBM but a device in the back of a U Haul truck or the trunk of an automobile

Yes. Which is why Iran is such a threat if they do get nuclear weapons, or if Pakistan were to completely fall to the Islamists. The justified fear here is that these countries would then give those weapons to terrorists who could attack with the methods you mentioned.

However, I do believe that if anything of that sort ever happened to the US, the result would be the destruction of several Islamic states in retaliation. Iran, for instance, would be destroyed.

Old A 6 Driver
11-08-12, 05:45
Yes. Which is why Iran is such a threat if they do get nuclear weapons, or if Pakistan were to completely fall to the Islamists. The justified fear here is that these countries would then give those weapons to terrorists who could attack with the methods you mentioned.

However, I do believe that if anything of that sort ever happened to the US, the result would be the destruction of several Islamic states in retaliation. Iran, for instance, would be destroyed.

They very well may be the end result, but damm, I hate to think of NYC or similar with 13 plus million people dead/dying/injured to provoke the retaliation

I wish I were wise enough to see the answer, I have seen war and even though it was from at altitude, I was privy to our BDA's and it was ugly, very very ugly

There are no winners in war

khan921
12-09-12, 20:45
My frnds wars r not fought with weapons its still the man behind the gun theory. If it were to be fought with weapons and technology America wld hv won a long time ago in Afghanistan. But they r still fighting a lost cause.


And now fr u guys who r concerned with Pakistan nuclear weapons dont worry abt it cause its in safe hands. As Pakistan has one of the best military in the world which was proved when we won the cambrian patrol defeating US and the european countries. So dont wry these nukes wont be getting in the wrong hands fr all of whom u r concerned so badly.

Old A 6 Driver
12-09-12, 22:05
This statement here, "9% Russia - Russia is performing poorly demographicly and economicly." is a load of macho bullshit. Russias government and economy is improving greatly since the fall of the USSR and just in general. Russia right now has the of the most valuable and most needed resourses such as oil, petroleum etc. Right now democracy in Russia is doing better and is improving too, and the poverty rate in russia right now is dropping which is a very good thing and it means people are getting jobs across the country

Wrong post

Old A 6 Driver
12-09-12, 22:08
My frnds wars r not fought with weapons its still the man behind the gun theory. If it were to be fought with weapons and technology America wld hv won a long time ago in Afghanistan. But they r still fighting a lost cause.


And now fr u guys who r concerned with Pakistan nuclear weapons dont worry abt it cause its in safe hands. As Pakistan has one of the best military in the world which was proved when we won the cambrian patrol defeating US and the european countries. So dont wry these nukes wont be getting in the wrong hands fr all of whom u r concerned so badly.

My friend, the "man behind the gun theory" has long since been replaced by the "computer behind the iron" concept

Your reference to Pakistan winning a small exercise of grunts has little to do with the "power" of a country.

I open Pandora's Box here, but in your simplicity you say the US is incapable of defeating Pakistan or Afghanistan (Should the US actually resolve to fight the country and not a few terrorists) in a shooting war should that occur?

My my, I realize we all are xenophobic and would admit USA would have a hard time, possibly be defeated by the likes of China in an all out war, North Korea or Russia in a ground only scenario (Where the air power mysteriously disappears) on their turf, but Pakistan?

Is that what they really teach you?

khan921
13-09-12, 12:14
Dude as they say
"u cant defeat an enemy who sees paradise in the barrel of ur gun"
thts the same thing with the ppl of Afghanistan and Pakistan. US cant win the war in Afghanistan. Let me give u an example on average a US solider wear gear of almost 4500$ while a taliban militant wear gear of 100-150$ but US still suffering.

Dont be arrogant on the technology and ur power bcoz u dont knw the real power of Pakistan. wars r not won by hving the most advanced jets,ships,tanks,subs,helicopters but r won by men. if US dared attked then they will suffer the most in their history. bcoz evey men r women of this country will die fr his/her country is it the same fr US? so again i say wars r not won by guns but with men........

Old A 6 Driver
13-09-12, 17:48
Dude as they say

Dont be arrogant on the technology and ur power bcoz u dont knw the real power of Pakistan. wars r not won by hving the most advanced jets,ships,tanks,subs,helicopters but r won by men. if US dared attked then they will suffer the most in their history. bcoz evey men r women of this country will die fr his/her country is it the same fr US? so again i say wars r not won by guns but with men........


That's the advantage of "by hving the most advanced jets,ships,tanks,subs,helicopters" Every man, woman and child in your country does not have to die, we take it to the fools who would attack us and destroy their infrastructure (If they have one)

I don't advocate the current US policy, simply being lazy and stupid this morning responding to a clueless *****, please feel free to delete this post without harm as it is a waste of time

Old A 6 Driver
13-09-12, 17:53
Dude as they say
"u cant defeat an enemy who sees paradise in the barrel of ur gun"
thts the same thing with the ppl of Afghanistan and Pakistan. US cant win the war in Afghanistan. Let me give u an example on average a US solider wear gear of almost 4500$ while a taliban militant wear gear of 100-150$ but US still suffering.

Dont be arrogant on the technology and ur power bcoz u dont knw the real power of Pakistan. wars r not won by hving the most advanced jets,ships,tanks,subs,helicopters but r won by men. if US dared attked then they will suffer the most in their history. bcoz evey men r women of this country will die fr his/her country is it the same fr US? so again i say wars r not won by guns but with men........

You have to differentiate between an "attack" and a specific mission to accomplish a task. the US attacked Japan, we performed a mission taking out Bin Laden



If the USA or Great Britain looked at human life as cheaply as the Taliban or certain other cultures, didn't care about collateral damage, one 500 foot steel tube located somewhere in the tens of thousands of square miles of the Indian Ocean would go to launch condition and less than 20 minutes later over 200 big rocks in Afghanistan or Pakistan would be turned into shiny smooth glass

Why would the US "attack" Pakistan/Afghanistan, why would it not be P/A attacking the US? How would the P/A forces get their shock troops to the US, how would they control the sea lanes
, how would thier AF provide CAP or ground support?

You simply talk of scenarios where the US foolishly tries to ferret scared old men out of caves, a lesson I thought we had learned 45 years ago but apparently no

I will agree the US will and does have a terrible time digging out the rats, but to think the Pakistani's or Afghanis' could sustain an all out war with a major power is laughable

Don’t a lot of the opium poppies come from around your home?

khan921
13-09-12, 18:07
Who told u tht usama was killed in pakistan did the US showed his footage r anything related to his death and why were they very In a hurry to through his body in the sea if they hv indeed killed him then show they must show some evidence and if we were attked then it will be a WWIII not only btw 2 countries but it will be much greater then it. And US will dare not through a bomb here coz they r nothing without us.

khan921
13-09-12, 18:08
Intruding in our territory will mean war.

Old A 6 Driver
13-09-12, 19:32
Intruding in our territory will mean war.


My Pakistani friend; have your war and dreams of glory in your head, it is time to cease this "My dog is bigger than your dog" posting and get back to the purpose of this forum

I realize Pakistan is all powerful, the US is "nothing" without you and so forth, I am happy for you to be so proud of your country and maybe someday you will grow up and serve in the armed forces of Pakistan

Most people on here are intelligent and hope to learn from the discourse of others, not the ramblings of dreamers

Cease fire

khan921
14-09-12, 08:33
Dude its not called dreaming its called "reality"



Cease Fire frm my side

7omnia7
12-11-12, 16:05
Why would the US "attack" Pakistan/Afghanistan, why would it not be P/A attacking the US? How would the P/A forces get their shock troops to the US, how would they control the sea lanes
, how would thier AF provide CAP or ground support?



Don’t a lot of the opium poppies come from around your home?

They can always send them on flying carpets...

Capone24
24-01-13, 13:19
If you are talking about the world's strongest militaries you'd have to take the nukes out of the equation. As that would be world annihilation and no point to even have an active military ground presence.

For anyone to say that the US is not by far the most advanced, strongest, dominant military in the world is just ridiculous. YES, Japan, Germany and even South Africa produce quality military tech but they do it in order to sell it to the US and any other oil producing nations that can afford their products. FYI we sell most of these wealthy countries our third tier aircraft b/c we are that advanced in terms of Air Force. A lot of these other countries still have planes from the cold war which are over 40 years old!!!

As for China and it's huge army that's great in all but we're thousands of miles away from them not including the largest ocean in the world, so logistics might play a part. BTW we have the best Navy in the world ten times over. With North America being isolated by the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans it would take a hell of a Navy to ever even step foot on American soil. That's not even including the fact that the US has the most firearms in the world and we love to hunt or oppose other military factions trying to over take us.

The next scenario you have to think about is the army even mobile? Can they afford the costs of fuel and make sure they have adequate living conditions for their soldiers. The US can check both of those off of the list although most of the other countries can't say the same(almost all).

If you want to talk about in terms of potential then our two biggest allies Germany and Japan would be by far the two leaders. Luckily after WWII we were able to establish bases on these countries which eventually led to us building very strong political ties and with both of them basically being another version of Israel.

Then you take into consideration our Air superiority and it is not even fair. Yes Russia can produce amazing fighter's but they are all about economical and not about being technologically advanced. Our planes are so advanced we can't even put a human pilot into them b/c the human body can't experience the force of G's the plane would produce with it's maneuverability.

As for anyone that knows anything about warfare you can't win the battle without controlling the occupied area with a ground presence. You can bomb a city to ashes but it doesn't mean you've won(WWII,Iraq ex.). Which means you would have to have a significant force that could be supported, transported, trained in rural combat and very knowledgeable about the country they are occupying as well as trained in military warfare to overcome any insurgency it would encounter. Not many countries can check all of those off the list.

Luckily the US is not interested in taking over the world and thus the reason we have so many ties with other countries to mutually protect each other. Also with technology coming into play wars are not won so much on battle fields but more so through special ops. That is why most of the western world is focusing on developing their special ops programs as that is the future.

Balder
26-02-13, 03:19
The U.S. is miles away over the rest. Especially now with generations of drones and robots tanks.

Barrister
09-05-13, 04:51
It is true that North Korea is highly overestimated and probably will not last very long in a war with a major power or even a middle power as their economy and technological capabilities are very limited and weak. However they are considered the most militarized country in the world as they spend a huge amount of their GDP on military and pretty much the whole country is looked upon as an army and treated as such. They are very tough, hostile and paranoid due to the communist government which brainwashes its people to think this way especially towards the West, most specifically towards the US. Now I didn't mean to generalize saying they are tough, hostile and paranoid in my previous sentence but like I said they are brainwashed to think this way. Despite everything they have the 4th largest army in the world ahead of countries like Russia and still possess much military power/force that should be taken seriously, they are also developing and working on possessing nuclear weapons and have already succeeded in having some warheads according to some sources. Now Indonesia is ranked in top 15 as 12th or 13th in several websites I have come upon but when I looked more into it, I ranked them as 18th in the world. They have a very tough training system, and are economically growing as well, have fairly large and powerful army, navy and air force but still have some time to be considered powerful enough to be in top 15 or 12/13 in my opinion. I don't know much about African militaries but would rank Egypt, South Africa and Nigeria as the top 3, and the rest would follow. Anyway here's my extended top 20 to 30 if you or anyone else wants to know more: 16) Egypt, 17) Italy, 18) Indonesia, 19) Mexico, 20) Taiwan, 21) Sweden, 22) Greece, 23) Canada, 24) Spain, 25) Saudi Arabia, 26) Ukraine, 27) Australia, 28) Thailand 29) Denmark, 30) Poland.

How can you put a country like Egypt with its economy ahead of countries like Canada or Australia, LOL. Egypt are pathetic. They have a military built almost entirely from United States military aid.

nothing
21-05-13, 10:10
China's underground great wall is 5000km long, it can fit a civilization of maybe 10-20 million plus their belongings (industry, machinery, etc).....how much would it cost say USA to match this for a nuclear war.

Fact is china fights fortress war, this is considered backward tech but nevertheless to build an analog would tax the shit out of the US economy.

China does copy russian tech but lets put this in perspective, most of the chinese army is basically fortress force, most of chinese air defenses defend this fortress, as well as navy assets defend a submarine base analog 50 miles from the continental shelf.

China has approximately 1 million men in a fortress manning air defense systems, nuclear weapons or general nuclear war defenses (like moving 10 million people in an underground civilization, plus their machinery, and entire factories are already in these caves)

About 200,000 are digging tunnels as gold troops (i am gonna guess the tunnels are skeletons of gold mines)

About 800,000 in some kind of militia managing village level militia defenses (maybe 20 million vietcong style militia)

That leaves maybe 200,000 men that is considered western style fighting force (which is pretty good expeditionary force considering just how much 4th generation systems china has albeit copies of soviet designs)

-400 Su-27 (china can manufacture its own albeit with less endurance engines) thats bigger than both french and british air force combine and most french fighters are short range single engines
-about 8-12 nuclear subs (same as france or britain) but lets not forget china has 70 conventional subs that can lay mines all the way in australia
-40-50 guided missile ships (pretty huge fleet about as large as the royal navy)
-1 carrier (about as big as the royal navy albeit not fully operational)
-3 amphibious ships plus 30 tank landing ships (easily taking out indonesia's main island)

Combine them that pretty powerful, basically sea denial to the most powerful navy in the world by simply controlling the south china sea.

American Idiot
27-11-13, 13:34
USA has the index of 100%

180% NATO (if it counts)

100% USA - US is da best when it comes to blowing things up.

64% European Union - EU is not that far of the american scale.

12% China - China has a small millitary it is still the only country in the world who can get 10.000.000 soldiers fit or figth in 1 day.

9% Russia - Russia is performing poorly demographicly and economicly.

5% India - India has a huge demographical benefit simular to Chinas still there is a big gab between the millitary hardware and technology used by the two countries.

I know alot of people want to say the U.S. is the greatest but I put China above the U.S. just for the simple fact the United States doesn't really want to f*ck with China and there are very few countries that the U.S. is actually afraid to go to war with.

albanopolis
12-09-14, 16:31
Who do you think are the top 10 best Militaries/Armed Forces in the world? In other words if each country was to go in an all out war with each other, one on one, who would win the most times? And I mean army, navy, air force, special forces, ect. and not so much on nukes. Think about technological capabilities, population and country size, ect.

Here are mine;

1. United States

Big Gap Here

2. Russia

Big Gap Here

3. China

4. India

5. United Kingdom

6. France

7. Germany

8. Japan

9. Brazil

10. Pakistan


Obviously United States owns the competition. No military comes close anymore. Russia obviously comes next, with a large geographic size, okay population, and high tech weapons from the old Soviet Union (although their poverty is bringing them down).

China and India come next with the largest populations and one of the largest land areas. China has the largest overall armed forces, India has the second largest overall armed forces.

United Kingdom and France comes next with technology (especially Britain's special forces) as good as Russia, maybe even better. Their small size and population keeps them a BIT lower than the other Eurasian giants.

Germany and Japan (especially Japan) has had a lot of international pressure against military build-up but they still have one of the best armed forces. Germany has some of the finest tank forces in the world. Japan still has a power navy, although it has decreased quite a bit since WWII.

I wasn't sure who would come next but after some thinking Brazil seems powerful enough. It has a large geographic size and population and their armed forces are pretty big too. They also have a pretty large economy to make up for anything else. Pakistan would come next, with a pretty large military. They have also developed nukes (this list doesn't focus much on nukes but it deserves a mention in this case none the less).

What are your top 10?
Convention Russian army is the weakest in the world. The whole their weapons are not digital. China is ahead of Russia for that reason. Most of Russias armament has lost its compettitivness. They are buying from France.
How then French army is weaker than Russias?

sherlockholmes
15-10-14, 13:55
Russian and British best militaries of all time

joeyc
15-10-14, 15:54
China, Pakistan, Turkey, Brazil... are on the top only because of sheer numbers.

Quality > Quantity

1. USA
2. UK/France
3. Japan/South Korea
4. Italy/Germany/Sweden
5. Russia
6. All the rest

hamko257
02-08-15, 03:18
1. Russia, 2. USA, 3. China

Piro Ilir
12-08-15, 12:57
USA
Russia
China
Britain
France
India
Turkey
Iran
Pakistan
North Korea

JohnnieMc73
12-08-15, 21:09
Hi TurkYusuf, try using edit button in your completed post to correct text.

Other correction is that India doesn't have 1.75 B people yet. :)

I wouldn't put Germany behind France and England.

Other than that, a nice comprehensive review you wrote, thanks.

England doesn't have an army btw!

John Doe
12-08-15, 21:21
England doesn't have an army btw!
No, but the UK does. ;-)

eurouser
31-10-15, 17:57
{NATO}
1. United States of America
{European Union}
{Shanghai Cooperation}
2. Russia
3. People's Republic of China
4. France ?
5. Germany ?
6. United Kingdom ?
7. South Korea
8. Japan
9. Indian Republic
10. Saudi Arabia


The European Union has a biggest influence if political and soft power are included. The EU basically has two votes at the UN security council and multiple levels of government to help push foreign policy.
I think both France and Germany have overtaken the United Kingdom due to defense cuts and the relationship between the US and UK. However, if nukes are ever used, or the UK is in battle with the US, then the UK overtakes both France and Germany.
South Korea is better than Japan only because it's a nation at war with North Korea and because Japan is so pacifist.
India is far too poor and messy but it's sheer size pushes it above the most powerful Middle Eastern and Islamic nation: Saudi Arabia.



Turkey
Iran
Pakistan
North Korea

None of these countries should be in the top ten. The only advantage Iran, Pakistan and North Korea have are their development of nukes. Other than that they have horrible armies. I also doubt nukes will ever be used without drawing the attention of some superpower like China or USA. Pakistan is a failed state for god's sake, Somalia probably has tons of dangerous biological weapons around but I doubt anyone would say it has a strong army!


No, but the UK does. ;-)

You'll get shot in lower class parts of Northern Britain for insinuating that they're a province of England!

pacificbreeze
24-04-16, 10:57
Not sure about other 9, but 1-st one is USA definitely ))

bancroft
27-04-16, 03:23
I think for this year. The top ten are:

US
Russia
China
India
France
UK
Japan
Turkey
Germany
Italy

Ukko
23-08-16, 06:43
Who do you think are the top 10 best Militaries/Armed Forces in the world? In other words if each country was to go in an all out war with each other, one on one, who would win the most times? And I mean army, navy, air force, special forces, ect. and not so much on nukes. Think about technological capabilities, population and country size, ect.

Here are mine;

1. United States

Big Gap Here

2. Russia

Big Gap Here

3. China

4. India

5. United Kingdom

6. France

7. Germany

8. Japan

9. Brazil

10. Pakistan


Obviously United States owns the competition. No military comes close anymore. Russia obviously comes next, with a large geographic size, okay population, and high tech weapons from the old Soviet Union (although their poverty is bringing them down).

China and India come next with the largest populations and one of the largest land areas. China has the largest overall armed forces, India has the second largest overall armed forces.

United Kingdom and France comes next with technology (especially Britain's special forces) as good as Russia, maybe even better. Their small size and population keeps them a BIT lower than the other Eurasian giants.

Germany and Japan (especially Japan) has had a lot of international pressure against military build-up but they still have one of the best armed forces. Germany has some of the finest tank forces in the world. Japan still has a power navy, although it has decreased quite a bit since WWII.

I wasn't sure who would come next but after some thinking Brazil seems powerful enough. It has a large geographic size and population and their armed forces are pretty big too. They also have a pretty large economy to make up for anything else. Pakistan would come next, with a pretty large military. They have also developed nukes (this list doesn't focus much on nukes but it deserves a mention in this case none the less).

What are your top 10?




1. USA

2. China

3. Israel

4. Japan

5. South Korea

6. United Kingdom

7. France

8. Russia

9. Singapore

10. Germany


Honorable mentions, in no particular order, Australia, Poland, Finland, Taiwan, Switzerland.


Smaller countries with modern C2, organisation, doctrines, tactics, training and large enough reserves are better in the real world than some that look good on paper or in theory.

tivali
12-07-17, 20:58
That's really impressive.

Yetos
14-07-17, 21:46
I do not see Turkey
I do not see N Korea

Curiocity
31-07-17, 14:23
The top three are definitely the USA, Russia and China. After that i'm really not sure.

PortuBasq
28-11-18, 21:49
No since in posting my rankings as they're basically the way you've got them set. Except South Korea belongs in the top 10 and there are arguments for Israel being there too. But Israel is largely unknown as a Nuclear Power on top of having one the Top Spy Networks operating around the World. South Korea's Air Force is grossly underestimated along with Israel's. Their standing army too... is underestimated and as far as Technology few in the Top 10 are up to their speed!

Other than that..... I have zero argument with your rankings. One thing that stands out for both of these countries is that South Korea has been living like they have been on the brink of war since the Korean War. Israel has perhaps the most efficient Spy Network in the World and that's on top of having Nuclear capabilities since at least the mid 70's if not before!

PortuBasq
28-11-18, 21:56
Just noticed some mistakes in my post. Is there an editor in this forum? ....or is that tool earned. Just to note the use of 'since' instead of 'sense'! Sorry!

TruGrit
09-04-19, 04:40
Israel should be highly ranked. They have a great deal of military experience.

Turkey should be ranked also.

I would take out Japan and Pakistan and replace it with Turkey and Israel.

Krum
05-07-19, 04:43
The armament of a new generation leader Russia
1. Russia
2. USA
3. NATO
4. China
5 Turkey
6. India
7. Iran
8. Israel
9. South Korea
10. North Korea
11. Pakistan

06-07-19, 01:17
Ok, but if we're talking about a hypothetical situation in which the world is shitting a brick I'm sure there would be developments to further integrate defense. In fact the Lisbon Treaty has already set forth the first steps for that. The EU as a whole has HUGE potential. Admittedly it's not fully integrated and the defense spending in the Euro-area is dwindling, but let's remember that potential can change a lot, much like the US and USSR in WWII. They turned into super powers almost overnight, because of they're potential. The EU has a population over 500,000,000, quality technology, and a relatively strong economy when we drop Greece. XP POTENTIAL! ;)

A strong economy is necessary to support an effective military, but more important is will. I think Britain and France have it, Germany does not. Their people, traumatized by two world wars and now surrounded by allied countries, see no reason to support their military financially.

06-07-19, 01:27
No since in posting my rankings as they're basically the way you've got them set. Except South Korea belongs in the top 10 and there are arguments for Israel being there too. But Israel is largely unknown as a Nuclear Power on top of having one the Top Spy Networks operating around the World. South Korea's Air Force is grossly underestimated along with Israel's. Their standing army too... is underestimated and as far as Technology few in the Top 10 are up to their speed!


Generally, I think nukes should be discounted. They are the weapon too terrible to use. They are a good asset for a small power, an Israel or North Korea, to have to dissuade attack, but a Russia or China (or India) can't use them without knowing the awful consequences. It's conventional forces, that opponents know you wouldn't be afraid to use, that affect the balance.

ZAkino
14-08-19, 12:12
Yep! You right!