Why such double standards when it comes racism ?

Maciamo

Veteran member
Admin
Messages
9,970
Reaction score
3,273
Points
113
Location
Lothier
Ethnic group
Italo-celto-germanic
BBC News : Cherokees eject slave descendants

BBC said:
Members of the Cherokee Nation of native Americans have voted to revoke tribal citizenship for descendants of black slaves the Cherokees once owned.

A total of 76.6% voted to amend the tribal constitution to limit citizenship to "blood" tribe members.

Supporters said only the Cherokees had the right to determine tribal members.

Opponents said the amendment was racist and aimed at preventing those with African-American heritage from gaining tribal revenue and government funding.

The Cherokee Nation has 250,000 to 270,000 members, second only to the Navajo.
...

How comes the Cherokees are allowed, and not widely criticised, to revoke citizenship only on grounds of ethnicity? If a Caucasian nation did the same thing, there would probably be widespread anti-racism protests in many countries around the world. Imagine if the Netherlands suddenly decided that to be Dutch one needed to be of proven Germanic descent. I am sure that would be likened to Nazism. When the Cherokees do it, hardly anybody raises an eyebrow...

You might say that it is different because the Cherokees are such a tiny nation, who anyway live within the USA. Well, Luxembourg has only 300,000 citizens (+ 165,000 immigrants or foreign residents), which is comparable in size. The Portuguese are one of the largest foreign community.

If the government of Luxembourg decided to revoke the Luxembourgish citizenship of all the Portuguese who have already become Luxembourg citizens on grounds that they are not ethnic Luxembourgish (or cannot speak Luxembourgish language), the situation would be pretty much the same as what is happening now with the Cherokees. The Portuguese are EU citizens and would anyway have the right to remain in Luxembourg, and even vote at municipal and EU elections, but not at elections for the Luxembourg government. This would be very much like the case of African-Americans deprived of Cherokee citizenship.

Yet, I cannot believe this could ever happen in Europe. So why does the US government allow such double standards? Do they feel bad about what their ancestors did to the Cherokees - but not to Black slaves? Even steeper double standards!
 
Last edited:
A classic example of being allowed to get away with something because of the fear that challenging it will result in being accused of racism. Alice in Wonderland time...
 
racism does not exist anymore, unless it is commited by white people

at least, that is the latest political correct definition of racism
 
racism does not exist anymore, unless it is commited by white people

at least, that is the latest political correct definition of racism
This is funny. You are so hang up on this political correctness that you can't see the real world anymore. Give us a good example of political correctness at Christmas. Just make sure you really thought it through.
 
This is funny. You are so hang up on this political correctness that you can't see the real world anymore. Give us a good example of political correctness at Christmas. Just make sure you really thought it through.

The very institution of Christmas came into existence through political comprises, hypocrisy and political correctness. The Romans used to celebrate the winter solstice with the Saturnalia festival from 17 to 24 December. When in the late 4th century Theodosius I banned all non-Christian cults in the empire, the pagan elements of Saturnalia were incorporated into Christmas. More pagan elements were added later, like the Yule/Xmas tree in Renaissance Germany, that originated in ancient Germanic folklore, or even Santa Claus, which merged the characters of Catholic St Nicholas with that of the ancient Germanic god Odin.

For most Europeans today Christmas is just a family gathering where presents are given to children and the Christian connotation is quickly becoming irrelevant. In the US, though, Christmas is still seen as the paradigm of Christian holidays, despite its manifold pagan roots and crass commercialism. I think that the unusual social and political significance of Christmas in the USA today is also a form of political correctness aimed at pleasing the Christian majority. However I have noticed over the last decade that everywhere in the Western world it is becoming less and less common for people to wish a Merry Christmas to colleagues or strangers, and to prefer the more religiously neutral 'Happy Holidays' instead. So it looks like the tide of political correctness is finally shifting in favour of non-Christians.
 
racism does not exist anymore, unless it is commited by white people

at least, that is the latest political correct definition of racism



I like that point of view, +1
so if action is from white people is racism,
if it is from muslims is called terrorism
if comes from Russia is enemy actions
if comes from tribal culture is anachronistic rebellion etc etc
 
The Romans used to celebrate the winter solstice with the Saturnalia festival from 17 to 24 December.
Yeah, they got it from the Iranian Mithraism. My people (Ezdi) do also still celebrate Eyda Êzîd, the feast in honor of God" & welcoming the winter solstice today. This years it felt on dec 16. Christmas is very similar to my native ancient Iranian/Aryan feast day, from the time of the Sumerians and later Magi of the Medes.


Merry Xmas to all of you!
 
The very institution of Christmas came into existence through political comprises, hypocrisy and political correctness. The Romans used to celebrate the winter solstice with the Saturnalia festival from 17 to 24 December. When in the late 4th century Theodosius I banned all non-Christian cults in the empire, the pagan elements of Saturnalia were incorporated into Christmas. More pagan elements were added later, like the Yule/Xmas tree in Renaissance Germany, that originated in ancient Germanic folklore, or even Santa Claus, which merged the characters of Catholic St Nicholas with that of the ancient Germanic god Odin.

For most Europeans today Christmas is just a family gathering where presents are given to children and the Christian connotation is quickly becoming irrelevant. In the US, though, Christmas is still seen as the paradigm of Christian holidays, despite its manifold pagan roots and crass commercialism. I think that the unusual social and political significance of Christmas in the USA today is also a form of political correctness aimed at pleasing the Christian majority. However I have noticed over the last decade that everywhere in the Western world it is becoming less and less common for people to wish a Merry Christmas to colleagues or strangers, and to prefer the more religiously neutral 'Happy Holidays' instead. So it looks like the tide of political correctness is finally shifting in favour of non-Christians.

and in Italy we have befana

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befana

I do not know about other parts of Italy, but where we are from we give the gifts outs on the day of Befana
 
unnecessary post
 
I like that point of view, +1
so if action is from white people is racism,
if it is from muslims is called terrorism
if comes from Russia is enemy actions
if comes from tribal culture is anachronistic rebellion etc etc

I think your view is better. +1
 
I like that point of view, +1
so if action is from white people is racism,
if it is from muslims is called terrorism
if comes from Russia is enemy actions
if comes from tribal culture is anachronistic rebellion etc etc

what is the definition of terrorism?
I think we can be clear on that
 
The very institution of Christmas came into existence through political comprises, hypocrisy and political correctness. The Romans used to celebrate the winter solstice with the Saturnalia festival from 17 to 24 December. When in the late 4th century Theodosius I banned all non-Christian cults in the empire, the pagan elements of Saturnalia were incorporated into Christmas. More pagan elements were added later, like the Yule/Xmas tree in Renaissance Germany, that originated in ancient Germanic folklore, or even Santa Claus, which merged the characters of Catholic St Nicholas with that of the ancient Germanic god Odin.
Exactly what I wanted to say, that Christians took over biggest Roman holiday for their own use. Perhaps it is time to take it back from Christians, and give it back to all the people.
 
No...it doesn't belong exclusively to the Romans, see his emphasis on the Yule, winter solstice and Santa Claus. And yes, there is political correctness at Christmas time in western countries. Are you listening to your buddy Trudeau again? On track to be the worst prime-minister in Canadian history after his daddy? A perfect example is "Happy Holidays", the PC crowd is too cowardly to wish someone Merry Christmas. Why else would you buy someone a gift unless it was Christmas time?
 
No...it doesn't belong exclusively to the Romans, see his emphasis on the Yule, winter solstice and Santa Claus. And yes, there is political correctness at Christmas time in western countries. Are you listening to your buddy Trudeau again? On track to be the worst prime-minister in Canadian history after his daddy? A perfect example is "Happy Holidays", the PC crowd is too cowardly to wish someone Merry Christmas. Why else would you buy someone a gift unless it was Christmas time?

I think its a know fact that Saturnalia was celebrated in Rome before it converted to Christianity. There is no political correctness in saying so its just a straight forward fact.
 
No...it doesn't belong exclusively to the Romans, see his emphasis on the Yule, winter solstice and Santa Claus. And yes, there is political correctness at Christmas time in western countries. Are you listening to your buddy Trudeau again? On track to be the worst prime-minister in Canadian history after his daddy? A perfect example is "Happy Holidays", the PC crowd is too cowardly to wish someone Merry Christmas. Why else would you buy someone a gift unless it was Christmas time?
I voted Harper. Neither one is a visionary leader or particularly good prime minister.
 
No...it doesn't belong exclusively to the Romans, see his emphasis on the Yule, winter solstice and Santa Claus. And yes, there is political correctness at Christmas time in western countries. Are you listening to your buddy Trudeau again? On track to be the worst prime-minister in Canadian history after his daddy? A perfect example is "Happy Holidays", the PC crowd is too cowardly to wish someone Merry Christmas. Why else would you buy someone a gift unless it was Christmas time?
Why would you want to wish Merry Christmas to atheist or people of other religions? It doesn't make sense. Why not Merry Solstice, as this is the root of this holiday?
Actually I say whatever comes to my mind first, sometimes Happy Holidays and sometimes Merry Christmas, latter especially if I know someone is a Christian. I don't think anyone should take any offence hearing either one. After all they know, that in both cases, you wish them well.
 
Why would you want to wish Merry Christmas to atheist or people of other religions? It doesn't make sense.

Because it's Christmas. No other popular festival is going on in Western countries except Christmas

Why not Merry Solstice, as this is the root of this holiday?

People chose to celebrate Jesus's birth during the Soltice. The holiday is celebration of Jesus's birth not the winter solstice.

Actually I say whatever comes to my mind first, sometimes Happy Holidays and sometimes Merry Christmas, latter especially if I know someone is a Christian. I don't think anyone should take any offence hearing either one. After all they know, that in both cases, you wish them well.

That's good. It really doesn't matter and hardly anyone cares whether you say happy holidays or merry Christmas.
 
Because it's Christmas. No other popular festival is going on in Western countries except Christmas


Historical
  • Malkh: 25 December
  • Mōdraniht: or Mothers' Night, the Saxon winter solstice festival.
  • Saturnalia: 17-23 December - An ancient Roman winter solstice festival in honor of the deity Saturn, held on the 17 December of the Julian calendar and expanded with festivities through to 23 December. Celebrated with sacrifice, a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival.
  • Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Day of the birth of the Unconquered Sun): 25 December – late Roman Empire
Judaism
  • Hanukkah: Ḥănukkāh, usually spelled חנוכה, pronounced [χanuˈka] in Modern Hebrew; a transliteration also romanized as Chanukah or Chanukkah), also known as the Festival of Lights, Feast of Dedication, is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the re-dedication of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire of the 2nd century BC. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days, starting on the 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar.
Paganism
  • Yule: Pagan winter festival that was celebrated by the historical Germanic people from late December to early January.
  • Yalda: 21 December – The turning point, Winter Solstice. As the longest night of the year and the beginning of the lengthening of days, Shabe Yaldā or Shabe Chelle is an Iranian festival celebrating the victory of light and goodness over darkness and evil. Shabe yalda means 'birthday eve.' According to Persian mythology, Mithra was born at dawn on 22 December to a virgin mother. He symbolizes light, truth, goodness, strength, and friendship. Herodotus reports that this was the most important holiday of the year for contemporary Persians. In modern times Persians celebrate Yalda by staying up late or all night, a practice known as Shab Chera meaning 'night gazing'. Fruits and nuts are eaten, especially pomegranates and watermelons, whose red color invokes the crimson hues of dawn and symbolize Mithra.
Secular
  • Human Rights Day: 10 December
  • Zamenhof Day: 15 December – Birthday of Ludwig Zamenhof, inventor of Esperanto; holiday reunion for Esperantists
  • Soyal: 21 December – Zuni and Hopi
  • HumanLight: 23 December – Humanist holiday originated by the New Jersey Humanist Network in celebration of "a Humanist's vision of a good future."[14]
  • Newtonmas: 25 December – As an alternative to celebrating the religious holiday Christmas, some atheists and skeptics have chosen to celebrate December 25 as Newtonmas, due to it being Isaac Newton's birthday on the old style date.
  • Quaid-e-Azam's Day: 25 December
  • Boxing Day: 26 December – Day after Christmas.
  • Kwanzaa: 26 December–1 JanuaryPan-African festival celebrated in the US
  • Watch Night: 31 December
  • New Year's Eve: 31 December – last day of the Gregorian year
  • Hogmanay: night of 31 December–before dawn of 1 January – Scottish New Year's Eve celebration
  • Dongzhi Festival – a celebration of Winter


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinational_festivals_and_holidays



People chose to celebrate Jesus's birth during the Soltice. The holiday is celebration of Jesus's birth not the winter solstice.
Nobody knows what day of a year Christ was born. When Christianity became state religion of Roman empire, and all people were forced to become christians, the biggest pagan holiday was hijacked for Christ birthday celebration.
 
Historical
  • Malkh: 25 December
  • Mōdraniht: or Mothers' Night, the Saxon winter solstice festival.
  • Saturnalia: 17-23 December - An ancient Roman winter solstice festival in honor of the deity Saturn, held on the 17 December of the Julian calendar and expanded with festivities through to 23 December. Celebrated with sacrifice, a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival.
  • Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Day of the birth of the Unconquered Sun): 25 December – late Roman Empire
Judaism
  • Hanukkah: Ḥănukkāh, usually spelled חנוכה, pronounced [χanuˈka] in Modern Hebrew; a transliteration also romanized as Chanukah or Chanukkah), also known as the Festival of Lights, Feast of Dedication, is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the re-dedication of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire of the 2nd century BC. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days, starting on the 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar.
Paganism
  • Yule: Pagan winter festival that was celebrated by the historical Germanic people from late December to early January.
  • Yalda: 21 December – The turning point, Winter Solstice. As the longest night of the year and the beginning of the lengthening of days, Shabe Yaldā or Shabe Chelle is an Iranian festival celebrating the victory of light and goodness over darkness and evil. Shabe yalda means 'birthday eve.' According to Persian mythology, Mithra was born at dawn on 22 December to a virgin mother. He symbolizes light, truth, goodness, strength, and friendship. Herodotus reports that this was the most important holiday of the year for contemporary Persians. In modern times Persians celebrate Yalda by staying up late or all night, a practice known as Shab Chera meaning 'night gazing'. Fruits and nuts are eaten, especially pomegranates and watermelons, whose red color invokes the crimson hues of dawn and symbolize Mithra.
Secular
  • Human Rights Day: 10 December
  • Zamenhof Day: 15 December – Birthday of Ludwig Zamenhof, inventor of Esperanto; holiday reunion for Esperantists
  • Soyal: 21 December – Zuni and Hopi
  • HumanLight: 23 December – Humanist holiday originated by the New Jersey Humanist Network in celebration of "a Humanist's vision of a good future."[14]
  • Newtonmas: 25 December – As an alternative to celebrating the religious holiday Christmas, some atheists and skeptics have chosen to celebrate December 25 as Newtonmas, due to it being Isaac Newton's birthday on the old style date.
  • Quaid-e-Azam's Day: 25 December
  • Boxing Day: 26 December – Day after Christmas.
  • Kwanzaa: 26 December–1 JanuaryPan-African festival celebrated in the US
  • Watch Night: 31 December
  • New Year's Eve: 31 December – last day of the Gregorian year
  • Hogmanay: night of 31 December–before dawn of 1 January – Scottish New Year's Eve celebration
  • Dongzhi Festival – a celebration of Winter


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinational_festivals_and_holidays

There are other events going on at this time of the year but the bottom line is the reason late December is Holiday Season to us is because of Christmas(and New Year). No other comparable big events are going on.

Nobody knows what day of a year Christ was born. When Christianity became state religion of Roman empire, and all people were forced to become christians, the biggest pagan holiday was hijacked for Christ birthday celebration.

The celebration of Christmas being chosen for December because of an already existing tradition doesn't change the fact the celebration is the celebration of Jesus's brith. The distant origin of why we celebrate Christmas at this time of the year doesn't affect the way the majority of American demographic groups and their cultural ancestors have viewed Christmas for countless generations. Only historians know why we celebrate it in December. Distant origin doesn't define what a modern cultural practice or people are. Kind of like how Irish, Scottish, and Welsh became united in their Celticism once they learned they spoke related languages. We shouldn't change the definition of Christmas like they changed the definition of who their people are.

This is why I think the distant ancestor of the Christmas tree, Santa clause, stockings, or whatever else doesn't matter. Our Christmas tree for example has nothing to do with any pagan German tradition, it's a fashion that grew in the 1800s that may or may not be ultimately way back descended from pagan Germans. The most recent origin of traditions tell more about them.
 

This thread has been viewed 18382 times.

Back
Top