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Maciamo
23-06-07, 11:38
We have seen in this thread (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24537) that IQ is strongly hereditary, that children with highly educated parents also tended to have higher IQ's, and especially that male hormones significantly increased IQ (because IQ only testes typically male reasoning skills, like logic and spatial skills). We saw that the higher the IQ, the bigger the gap in numbers between men and women.

Because IQ is so intricately linked to male hormones, it is normal to see a correlation between very high IQ and masculine social behaviour.

The higher the IQ, the higher the sense of individuality and the independence of mind. Exceptionally gifted people care (much) less about what other people think of them, and are less sensitive to praise, and even less to flattery.

Because they care less about the opinion and esteem of others, they tend to be less socially oriented, but also feel less easily lonely. Maybe it is because they have a very heightened sense of the "self".

They feel pressed to tell openly what they think to others, especially when they hear something that conflicts with their reasoning or knowledge. They value more truth, facts and logic than friendship or emotional relations.

Gifted people therefore only care about social conventions they agree with, and (harshly) criticise the others. They live in an inner world where anything that is not rational is wrong and should be changed. It is unconceivable to them to bask in mediocrity. They are born perfectionists (for what they care about).

Their disregard for conventions, combined with vivid, creative and independent mind, often make them coin new words (often just for fun, to see the reaction of those who care about conventions), or use rare words (not by pedantry at all, but just because they like them better). In other words, they recreate the conventions for themselves.

Typical high-IQ people are constantly thinking about something, worried about a problem, thinking about solutions... So they end up having little time and energy left, and little motivation, for ordinary chit-chat. Because they are constantly "navigating in their thoughts", they tend to be more forgetful of trivial things ("damn, I forgot to remove the clothes from the washing machine last night !").

Their strong independence of mind and deep intellectualisation of things results in exceptionally gifted people having stronger individual interests than average ("passions" for some topics or activities). Once they get into something, they want to know everything about it (which can make them look like geeks or freaks to ordinary folk).

High IQ correlates strongly with exceptional concentration abilities. The problem is that it makes such people quite stubborn until they know or understand what they wanted. Such children are known for always asking "why" questions, and never give up until they get a satisfactory answer.

One thing that normally irritates people with high IQ is asking them to explain something (complex), then stop listening in the middle of their explanations. Exceptionally gifted people just can't understand why one would ask a question and not care about the answer, when they visibly do not understand that topic.

At school, exceptionally gifted children are easily bored by lessons, because they understand before everyone else and get irritated when the teacher has to repeat for slower people. If it is a subject they are particularily interested in, they usually have learned everything by themselves before, which can create conflicts with the teacher, as gifted children do not mind correcting the teacher's slightest mistake in front of the whole class (that's their way of showing that they shouldn't be sitting in that class in a humiliating position of inferiority - well, you know how wild and vain kids can be !).


On the whole, exceptionally gifted people tend to be hyperactive, eat a lot and sleep a lot (because the brain uses so much energy), or on the contrary eat and sleep very little (these are exceptions, like Napoleon, probably due to a different metabolism).

At work, they have difficulty understanding why other people can't do as much as they do in the same amount of time, or don't do things as well as they should. They are usually unsatisfied by others, demanding, strict, and feel like they have to do things by themselves if they want them to be done properly...

High-IQ people are very individualistic, but they usually strive for the common good (as well as their own interests). Their passion for things, their sense of logic, and their desire for perpetual improvement, make of them good politicians and philosophers. On the other hand, they usually dislike routine jobs, with predefinied tasks and little space for creativity and a sense of intellectual challenge.

Given their individualism, they rarely bear the authority of other people, and are therefore more often self-made people, free-thinkers and entrepreneurs, rather than conventional academics or professionals employed by a company.

Having a high IQ has little influence on most of the arts, as IQ only testes rational, logic and spatial skills. It may help for sculpture (spatial skills), or classsical music (rational and spatial).

Kinsao
10-07-07, 17:23
Very interesting analysis. :)

I can't really make any comments from a personal point of view... except one very minor point... I don't see that "truth, facts and logic" run counter to "friendship and emotional relations" (although I grasp the point, and realise that you are not saying they are mutually exclusive or anything); on the contrary I would say that truth (in the sense of facts) is very closely allied with honesty, which is imo essential to strong friendships and positive emotional relations. :-)

Karley
02-02-09, 14:28
I see that this is a very old thread but in the off chance you will answer, I felt like I must sign up and reply. I had the weird feeling when I read this thread. Something similar to what you have when someone knows more about yourself than you do. It was like you were describing me. I wont go into detail, but I definitely have most of those character traits. Very strange. Do you know if this is proven, or a theory, or noticed patterns? Thank you, for helping me understand a little bit more :)

Maciamo
06-02-09, 11:06
I see that this is a very old thread but in the off chance you will answer, I felt like I must sign up and reply. I had the weird feeling when I read this thread. Something similar to what you have when someone knows more about yourself than you do. It was like you were describing me. I wont go into detail, but I definitely have most of those character traits. Very strange. Do you know if this is proven, or a theory, or noticed patterns? Thank you, for helping me understand a little bit more :)

When it comes to psychology (and often also medicine) nothing is ever 100% "proven". There are theories based on observed patterns, and this one is pretty well established. These traits have been observed in many different cultures over decades, and have been shown to correlate with high IQ most of the time.

jwtraik
18-02-09, 07:35
I see that this is a very old thread but in the off chance you will answer, I felt like I must sign up and reply. I had the weird feeling when I read this thread. Something similar to what you have when someone knows more about yourself than you do. It was like you were describing me. I wont go into detail, but I definitely have most of those character traits. Very strange. Do you know if this is proven, or a theory, or noticed patterns? Thank you, for helping me understand a little bit more

Very odd that I came across this thread through searching the internet to find this response... I feel exactly as you do concerning the OP however I don't think I would have registered and posted if I had not seen this comment. It is truly good to know there are other people that share all of those characteristics... I always knew they were there however they are rare to come across and people on the internet tend to be much more expressive than when in day to day life.

One addition (or rather expansion) I would like to make to the OP has to do with one thing I notice every day at my college... People who come across as very intelligent, studious and diligent, most of the time are not as deep thinking and comprehensive as you would like them to be. They can be extremely knowledgeable in their field of study, fields that can be as complex as it gets... but when you deviate from their specialty their mind seems to derail a bit, their attention wanes as they listen and then they seem to get their mind to hop back on the rails by talking about something they know about. I guess you could say all they know is what they are doing and stick with it but once introduced with a totally different topic they just can't stick with it. All of what I said (even though it is a bit incoherent) is precursor to this... I believe that a person with a high IQ is truly a jack of ALL trades. They should have at least a small understanding, beyond the obvious, of everything coupled with the capacity to master any one of those things at will. Forgive me if I don't make sense in all of that but this is the first time I have ever tried to fully explain it...

Another thing that kind of bothers me is, why is it that high IQ people are often exempt from having exceptional social behavior? There are many obvious advantages to being socially active and highly tactful. Through human interaction we learn... everyone is different and everyone has something different to offer. And it goes much beyond just going out and interacting but also putting yourself into all sorts of different situations to see how things are done, why people do what they do and see whats out there for you to try. And I would think that if you are aware of all this it would seem to me that this awareness is facet of intelligence all on its own. That, IMO, is part of the criterion for having a "high IQ" and it seems to be the most lacking characteristic of these highly intelligent people.

I am most certainly ranting now, but thanks again Karley for your motivational post :) This is why I love the internet so much, I had a desire to know about what defines a truly intelligent person, type it into a search engine and you find a gem like this thread!

Maciamo
18-02-09, 11:57
One addition (or rather expansion) I would like to make to the OP has to do with one thing I notice every day at my college... People who come across as very intelligent, studious and diligent, most of the time are not as deep thinking and comprehensive as you would like them to be. They can be extremely knowledgeable in their field of study, fields that can be as complex as it gets... but when you deviate from their specialty their mind seems to derail a bit, their attention wanes as they listen and then they seem to get their mind to hop back on the rails by talking about something they know about.

I have noticed the same thing. High IQ societies have noticed that people with well-paid but highly specialised jobs, like lawyers, doctors, computer scientists, etc. usually have above-average IQ, but rarely beyond what is considered exceptionally gifted (over 135). Their IQ is more likely to be between 110 and 130.



I guess you could say all they know is what they are doing and stick with it but once introduced with a totally different topic they just can't stick with it. All of what I said (even though it is a bit incoherent) is precursor to this... I believe that a person with a high IQ is truly a jack of ALL trades. They should have at least a small understanding, beyond the obvious, of everything coupled with the capacity to master any one of those things at will. Forgive me if I don't make sense in all of that but this is the first time I have ever tried to fully explain it...

I think it is an excellent reason not to trust a "scientist's opinion" about a field that is not strictly their speciality. It always makes me laugh when people quote a physicist about a philosophical matter and say "see, this guy is intelligent and he believes in god !". :blush:

The philosophical spirit (i.e. thirst for knowledge and understanding in every field) is probably the most characteristic of exceptionally gifted people.




Another thing that kind of bothers me is, why is it that high IQ people are often exempt from having exceptional social behavior? There are many obvious advantages to being socially active and highly tactful. Through human interaction we learn... everyone is different and everyone has something different to offer. And it goes much beyond just going out and interacting but also putting yourself into all sorts of different situations to see how things are done, why people do what they do and see whats out there for you to try. And I would think that if you are aware of all this it would seem to me that this awareness is facet of intelligence all on its own. That, IMO, is part of the criterion for having a "high IQ" and it seems to be the most lacking characteristic of these highly intelligent people.

Personally I see two main reasons :

1) boredom : exceptionally gifted people being in general well versed many subjects, and often find more mundane conversation boring. Even when talking about more specialised topics, the exceptionally gifted might already know more than almost anybody else he meets, if he has taken some time to learn about that particular topic at one point in his life. In general, as knowledge accumulates with time, (specialised) conversation will become more and more difficult with ordinary people. When meeting other people becomes less exciting, or downright boring, why spend time and energy with them ? Of course there is always a need for having fun in a non intellectual way (but that is usually possible only with friends, not strangers).

2) anxiety : it is one characteristic of people with higher IQ to be more (intellectually) sensitive. It is this heightened perception of the world that leads to strong, passionate interest in so many fields. You could say that high IQ people are like supertasters, that find great sensory satisfaction even in the plainest foods - except that in the case of gifted people it is for rational matters, not taste. This usually translates as being also more anxious or nervous (especially for younger people), which affects face-to-face socialising in a negative way. The Internet is a blessing for such people.

jay
10-09-09, 17:41
I was recently taking an IQ test and tested at 155 with deviation of 15. testing was unable to accurately measure the IQ due to the fact that i answered the questions under the time limit and made a 100% however just like all standardized test this is imposable so i was said to have made a 99.9%. the way they measure high IQ is rather inaccurate i think.

the reason i was tested was to diagnose my dysgraphia and allow the state to provide me with a laptop however I WAS TOO SMART so they said. i was insulted as this is completely asinine. do you send an untrained sniper to a covert mission or a trained one? why waste money on people who may not succeed when you can assist the above average people of the world. after all im not looking to make money but just contribute to society.

Maciamo
11-09-09, 11:18
IQ test are only reliable until about 130. There are special high IQ test, but the past 150 it's hard to really know who is smarter than whom. There are also many specialised IQ tests (spatial, visual memory, logical, arithmetical, verbal), and people rarely score evenly in all. The problem with most logic test is that they have only simple problems, not ones involving pages of data to mentally sort out before computing. Chimps are faster than humans at some basic problem solving, but cannot deal with high-level complexity problems like humans.

k98man
27-09-09, 15:10
Reading this also gave me quite a strange feeling.

Thanks for posting this. :thinking:

I have been told (actually yesterday as I was in a coffee shop) that people with a higher IQ have a specific taste in classical music, BUT also Metal (heavy metal, or rock). He mentioned he read a study, but I don't know how reliable this random German is...
(by the way my search for this study led me to this thread)

gctox
31-10-09, 10:13
Primarily, I kindly ask to be excused for my English.

I felt characterized, on each paragraph of this thread. I always wondered why people thought and saw things different? Being hard for them to understand your point or not being able to visualize the whole picture.

I regret finding this now in my 30's, knowing earlier would have changed my life...

I went to 12 different schools, not getting the right opportunity to develop or explore my full intellect through these years. I made it to my MBA (being an autodidact), even with loopholes from constant transitions.

It's sometimes hard to explain how you go through life mostly feeling alienated for not sharing peoples interests or simply by having to step down to meet their level. It also gets complicated knowing where to draw the line, while being tactful.

I work in a job that not always challenges me but lets me wonder in thoughts; it also provides time to search my interests.

I always assumed the problem came from being ambidextrous but this frustration increased with time and brought me to research more. I have found some interesting threads like this one, some articles and information. It feels exceptionally good to know you are not alone.

dichotom
24-11-09, 13:11
Reading this also gave me quite a strange feeling.

Thanks for posting this. :thinking:

I have been told (actually yesterday as I was in a coffee shop) that people with a higher IQ have a specific taste in classical music, BUT also Metal (heavy metal, or rock). He mentioned he read a study, but I don't know how reliable this random German is...
(by the way my search for this study led me to this thread)

I could echo the thoughts of other posters in this thread but the real reason I registered was to say that I have frequently over the years told people that I felt there is a strong correlation between rock/metal and classical music. It is so strange to see someone else say it! I, myself, prefer Chopin most of all. Most any classical music has the same "feel" as rock and metal to me however. I would be quite interested in reading this study you speak of.

Cheers,

Mike

Invictus_88
27-12-09, 23:53
I was recently taking an IQ test and tested at 155 with deviation of 15. testing was unable to accurately measure the IQ due to the fact that i answered the questions under the time limit and made a 100% however just like all standardized test this is imposable so i was said to have made a 99.9%. the way they measure high IQ is rather inaccurate i think.

the reason i was tested was to diagnose my dysgraphia and allow the state to provide me with a laptop however I WAS TOO SMART so they said. i was insulted as this is completely asinine. do you send an untrained sniper to a covert mission or a trained one? why waste money on people who may not succeed when you can assist the above average people of the world. after all im not looking to make money but just contribute to society.

A monstrous lie, you one-posting pisstaker.

:laughing:

Maciamo
28-12-09, 01:19
Interesting that out of 8 people replying to this thread 6 have posted only once or twice on the forum. It looks like they registered only to boast, but anonymously. :D

Sirius2b
28-12-09, 20:39
Well I personally do not think that people with high IQ trend to be more socially un-skilled that people with more or less average IQ. However, it is ture that academic IQ is not so tighly correlated with career success inside an organization, for example.

However, I think that precisely because it is somehow counter-intuitive that a high IQ fail to attain financial and career success compared with other people, it calls to attention and begets and explanation.

For starters, when we correlate "success" in "real" life with many other variables, we end up with the result that IQ (as meassured with instruments like SAT or Stanford-Binet) only explains 20% of the variance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford-Binet_Intelligence_Scales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

(However, this test predict much better when constrained simply to "academic performance").

50% of the rest of the variance, is simply explained by the social class in which a person was born, and other variables of plain luck.

The rest, have been a real which various teories have tried to fill. I for one, likes very much the concept of "Emotional Intelligence" (EI).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence

The concept of Emotional Intelligence, somehow independent of IQ, is for me very sound. The concept is still very controvertial. In the wikipedia, you will find the criticism to this concept occupy more space that the explanation of the concept itself, but I believe it is not so much because of its underlying theory, that is very scientific and solid, but because the Werstern World for more than two centuries have been living in denial of emotions... it is a wold that idealizes "pure reason", without never really attaining it.

Regards.

Sirius2b
28-12-09, 21:07
Wow! I just read in detail the entry in Wikipedia of the EI concept... the traditional partidaries of IQ, simply assassinate it !!

But unfortunatelly for them, EI is a concept more and more accepted today...

http://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=es&q=Reaction+against+Emotional+Intelligence&meta=&aq=f&oq=
http://www.pmforum.org/library/tips/2009/PDFs/june/Combe-Emotional-Intelligence.pdf

You Are All Nerds
11-01-10, 16:39
Ok. I've done the IQ tests. I've done the psychology tests. I've recognised myself in OP. Now what? What do you do for a living?

delmark
19-01-10, 23:50
I feel like a chimp when I read this.
I did several IQ tests and every time scored 139-149 IQ and I do recognise myself in your
characteristics of people with high IQ.
But is there any reason in this conversation?
Are you trying to change something or realize something?

You Are All Nerds
20-01-10, 19:06
I for one are trying to change something.
When I read the OP and even more so when i read about "Too Many Aptitudes Problem", I lol'd at numerous occasions 'cause it felt like I read my own biography.
The problem I have is that I'm currently unemployed and have no idea what to do next. And as a college dropout and being too old for school my choices are limited.
I'm kind of searching for ways to go, but unfortunatly as I'm learning more about myself I'm still not finding any real answers.
So what "ways" have you taken, are there any benefits joining a high IQ society, are there any interesting (and somewhat lucrative) jobs that you can get with less than 2 years intensive education, is trading +EV for a high IQ (over 135) person, etc etc?

delmark
20-01-10, 23:43
Let me tell you what I think.
High IQ will not make your life or search for work any easier.
Usually it's the other way around.
When you approach potential employer and tell him or let him know that your IQ is higher than his you are done.
So unless you are really good in some field your IQ is only a number.

You Are All Nerds
21-01-10, 00:41
I would never tell my employer what my IQ is.
But that's not what I'm getting at.
I'm more looking for ways to take advantage of a high IQ to get me where I want to be.
Or if we go deeper, to feel more satisfied with my life.

mateosbaby
20-07-10, 20:22
Has anyone here thought of personality types to go along with high IQ? My husband is an INTJ and exhibits quite a high number of the characteristics listed in the OP. I have just suggested to him that he take an IQ test, as maybe INTJs are more prone to higher IQs. Our daughter, 6, has a very similar personality to him, and this makes me wonder a few things about her, as well. Thank you for that OP, and thank you to all who have contributed to this thread. I have a BA in psychology, and these things just fascinate me.

mateosbaby
20-07-10, 21:08
Has anyone here thought of personality types to go along with high IQ? My husband is an INTJ and exhibits quite a high number of the characteristics listed in the OP. I have just suggested to him that he take an IQ test, as maybe INTJs are more prone to higher IQs. Our daughter, 6, has a very similar personality to him, and this makes me wonder a few things about her, as well. Thank you for that OP, and thank you to all who have contributed to this thread. I have a BA in psychology, and these things just fascinate me.

As an afterthought to my previous post here, my husband just informed that back in college he took an online IQ test and scored 134. Granted, it's not a "real" test, but I found that to be quite shocking, personally. Where could he take a real IQ test, and what good might it do for him? On the other hand, what bad might it do? Pros and cons?

Also, if you're interested, I should have included a link to a description of INTJ, but it won't let me. :rolleyes2: It is personalitypage.com, if you care to look it up yourself. This page also has links to the other personality types, along with a test you can take to discover your own personality type. We had taken the Myers-Briggs test back in college, so we knew what we were already. I think both of these tests taken together could really help people to understand themselves, how they think and relate to others.

elikipeki
27-07-10, 02:06
Look, I'm new to this place, so maybe I'm not understanding you correctly, but it appears to me as though there is no source for your extremely broad statements regarding the behavior of intelligent children. It could easily be speculation or just your opinions on the matter. Have studies been done? If so, I'd like to see them so that I can draw my own conclusions based on the data.

Marianne
08-08-10, 18:14
As an afterthought to my previous post here, my husband just informed that back in college he took an online IQ test and scored 134. Granted, it's not a "real" test, but I found that to be quite shocking, personally. Where could he take a real IQ test, and what good might it do for him? On the other hand, what bad might it do? Pros and cons?

Also, if you're interested, I should have included a link to a description of INTJ, but it won't let me. :rolleyes2: It is personalitypage.com, if you care to look it up yourself. This page also has links to the other personality types, along with a test you can take to discover your own personality type. We had taken the Myers-Briggs test back in college, so we knew what we were already. I think both of these tests taken together could really help people to understand themselves, how they think and relate to others.

I have also taken the Myers-Briggs test in the past and my result was INTP.

I do think that personality types are linked with the different intelligence types but this is just my personal opinion since I haven't searched for any scientific research on the topic.

EvanMF
25-10-10, 09:57
Primarily, I kindly ask to be excused for my English.

I felt characterized, on each paragraph of this thread. I always wondered why people thought and saw things different? Being hard for them to understand your point or not being able to visualize the whole picture.

I regret finding this now in my 30's, knowing earlier would have changed my life...

I went to 12 different schools, not getting the right opportunity to develop or explore my full intellect through these years. I made it to my MBA (being an autodidact), even with loopholes from constant transitions.

It's sometimes hard to explain how you go through life mostly feeling alienated for not sharing peoples interests or simply by having to step down to meet their level. It also gets complicated knowing where to draw the line, while being tactful.

I work in a job that not always challenges me but lets me wonder in thoughts; it also provides time to search my interests.

I always assumed the problem came from being ambidextrous but this frustration increased with time and brought me to research more. I have found some interesting threads like this one, some articles and information. It feels exceptionally good to know you are not alone.

I signed up just to empathise with this post, and the others on here.

I have a really tough time socialising. Most people talk about trivial things all the time. I usually take the conversation to a new level of thinking, but the moment I start to approach beyond the comfort or knowledge of my school counterparts they begin to get impatient, show no interest, sometimes even begin talking over me.

I have to sink down to their level in order to fit in and I hate it. I'm always thinking away at a problem or a solution, debating things in my head, whilst everyone else is talking about the party next weekend or when is the prep due.

I hope to find a way in this world. I thought that perhaps as I move up the educational ladder I will find more people like me, well I get the impression less and less. I find most adults to be the same as my school counterparts in terms of their conversation and thinking.

I guess MENSA is the best route for me now.

Evan

LeBrok
25-10-10, 16:36
Welcome to Eupedia Evan. There are more people like you here. You should find our conversations more engaging. ;)

Invictus_88
30-10-10, 00:33
What an extraordinary concentration of single-post accounts.

Suspicious, much?

LeBrok
30-10-10, 05:37
Ah, the smart ones get bored quickly. :)
Or most were with attention deficit disorder, lol.

Melusine
01-11-10, 01:28
I've noticed this too.

However, Ignorance is NOT bliss.

Melusine

aerosol
04-04-11, 06:47
If anyone can relate to the article, please contact me.
I'd like to talk to you. I feel very isolated right now.

Reinaert
04-04-11, 21:39
IQ tests are BS. People all have different talents, and IQ tests are looking for some mean value. There is no mean value man wherever!

I agree that educated parents have more educated children, if they spend time with them.
But often it's the opposite, if they don't.

I see a lot of children from small businessmen, that lack social behavior, lack technical knowledge.

In general, I see children from left wing people get more attention and education.
But left wing seems to be a minority in the history of mankind.
I can't help it, most people are rather stupid.

sparkey
04-04-11, 21:53
IQ tests are BS. People all have different talents, and IQ tests are looking for some mean value. There is no mean value man wherever!

IQ tests are undoubtedly accurate... at measuring how good people are at taking IQ tests. There are too many variables, obviously, to have it be a raw measurement of intelligence or reasoning ability. It's like asking why SAT scores in America are different for people of different races and ethnicities. Are IQs different based on race? Maybe... but there are so many variables, that it's ridiculously difficult to isolate.

More accurately, we can look within similar populations to determine what correlates with IQ scores. These do produce interesting correlations, many of which Maciamo mentions. Intelligence is certainly hereditary, to a degree.


In general, I see children from left wing people get more attention and education.
But left wing seems to be a minority in the history of mankind.
I can't help it, most people are rather stupid.

I wonder if there are any studies on this? I do notice that left wing people tend to have fewer children to begin with. In San Francisco, it has become an issue that the population has very few children, and those with children move to the suburbs. There's also the issue there in which urban dwellers tend to be more liberal, and urban environments are not always the most conducive to child rearing.

paulb7
14-08-11, 16:05
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am interested in knowing the source of your comments. If they are from books or journals I would like to know the citations.

Additionally, are you affiliated with a high intelligence society and do you work in the field of psychology?

Mikes1992
30-09-11, 20:52
Reading this also gave me quite a strange feeling.

Thanks for posting this. :thinking:

I have been told (actually yesterday as I was in a coffee shop) that people with a higher IQ have a specific taste in classical music, BUT also Metal (heavy metal, or rock). He mentioned he read a study, but I don't know how reliable this random German is...
(by the way my search for this study led me to this thread)


It's understandable how intelligent people like classical music. It's an extremely pure and beautiful form of music which doesn't relate to the normal controversial music and has virtually no "cool" factor. I am a hugh fan of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Johann Sebastian Bach. I also enjoy the choir music from The Red Army Choir and i'm extremely interested in russian history. My friend doesn't really understand why I find it so interesting and always says I want to be russian but then also says I want to be an american due to the fact I use many american words and pronunciations (I'm from england). I also find it hard to understand why he doesn't find it interesting, Especially the Chernobyl disaster when it was such a significant event that effected the entire world. He didn't even understand the basics of nuclear physics! :/

I do like rock groups like matallica but I wish they would put there skills into creating a few classical peices like steve morse has (youtube watch?v=yIu7UA-823Y also watch?v=y-CC2jOVNSI which is a mix of classical and rock). That display of the arts sends chills down my spine and I can solemnly say I have actually cried listening to some of his work.

Here are some of my favourite bands and artists if your interested. Led Zeppelin, Matallica, Toots and Maytals, Bob marley, Jimmy Cliff, The Upsetters, John Lennon, The Who, The Specials, Madness, Mozart, Bach

From Michael Skelton (131 IQ, age 19)

Mikes1992
30-09-11, 20:55
hmm I spelt huge wrong :S

Platinumbaby
13-10-11, 04:17
I stumbled across this thread while searching for a connection between extreme self discipline and a possible chemical imbalance. You see of course that I was running out of 'simple' ways to word what I was looking for. I do that a lot. I constantly have to think of smaller words to get my thoughts across to people...
While reading the OP, I felt a strange sense of calm creep over me and even caught myself smiling when I had only gotten half way through. Maybe I am not a total freak of nature, and I can chalk it all up to having a high IQ. *shrug*
5 days ago I decided to quit smoking. I have smoked for the better part of 10 years. Since then I have had essentially NO adverse effects. No irritability, no anxiety, no anger. I have kept a journal to document 'possible cravings' since I haven't even experienced 1 full blown craving. And that seems odd to me. I live with a smoker, and the smell of it doesn't seem to effect me either. It doesn't disgust me, it doesn't appeal to me. I am completely indifferent to it since the moment I decided I wanted nothing to do with it.
It didn't take long for me to compare this mindset/outcome to other areas of my life, as I frequently 'triage' every part of my life. Especially people. I know it is cold, but it keeps things simple. I don't like messes or complications.

What has been bothering me most of all lately, is that I didn't always used to be so disconnected from everyone and everything. I used to be engaging, and doting, and empathetic to everything. Now I am completely unaffected by things that SHOULD bother me, or any other human being... but for some reason I am not.
I self-analyze ALL THE TIME. I frequently re-evaluate and make corrections where needed. I also seem to lack the filter that keeps people from saying what everyone is thinking. I'm not nice enough to lie. =) On the other hand, I tend to command attention wherever I go. I can absolutely put on my game face which is pleasant, witty, and charming... but inside I am reading the room and the people in it. I can pick a person's personality defects apart in a matter of seconds. I can even identify the clear defects in my own... but I have no explanation as to why I am this way, and whether or not I should try to change. And if I do decide to change, what corrections should I make?
There you go.. no one asked for that TMI contribution of mine, but maybe just maybe someone on here has some helpful advice. To be honest, had I not read this thread, I would have continued thinking I am the only one like this... and I think ultimately that would have been worse. So thank you in advance for any helpful advice given.

LeBrok
13-10-11, 08:06
I self-analyze ALL THE TIME. I frequently re-evaluate and make corrections where needed. I also seem to lack the filter that keeps people from saying what everyone is thinking. I'm not nice enough to lie. =) On the other hand, I tend to command attention wherever I go. I can absolutely put on my game face which is pleasant, witty, and charming... but inside I am reading the room and the people in it. I can pick a person's personality defects apart in a matter of seconds. I can even identify the clear defects in my own... but I have no explanation as to why I am this way, and whether or not I should try to change. And if I do decide to change, what corrections should I make?


I think you're doing just fine. Why would you want the change? Are there people not happy with you, or you are unhappy with yourself?



...I have no explanation as to why I am this way,..

People are mostly born like this, let's call it "nature of a beast"



...and whether or not I should try to change. And if I do decide to change, what corrections should I make?


Do you want to love everyone, all of the sudden, and pretend they are perfect?
The easiest way to achieve it is to pop a pill or smoke something. ;)

Welcome to Eupedia :)

Alina
16-10-11, 02:43
I believe that if you're as intelligent and superior, as all of you people who "recognise themselves" in this post claim you are, you would not need to prove to some random stranger on the internet.

This really makes me laugh.

A genius.. that is unsure of their amazing abilities.. so caught up in evolving their mind.. they are taken back by a post that says you're intelligent if you have these characteristics.
Well can I just say my cat has those damn characteristics, should I test her IQ?

When you feel so disconnected from the outside world you should really take another look at yourself as a being and see the difference between finding yourself and loving yourself to the point of being selfish.

Truly bright individuals do not need to prove themselves to an "everyday" being, while being competitive I think they are more competitive among their own kind. Just like you never see martial artists starting fights at the pub to prove themselves. People only prove themselves to others, to not only convince the outside world that this is true but also to convince themselves.
And just because someone has a "high IQ" doesn't make them a better person on the inside. Yet I presume they would be more in control of their frontal lobe, than an average individual but only because they are aware of it.

If your contribution to society is being a smart ass who sits there and brags about how high their level of intelligence is...
Please. There are enough stuck up people in this world.
We do not need more.
If you are a genius then why don't you put your mind to good use.

I only found these posts because my friend wanted to see what an average score for an IQ test is among individuals. And then I found this.

"I recognised so much of myself in these listed characteristics so I just couldn't help myself joining and telling the world." :laughing:

Sorry, i'm so intelligent
I cannot help myself :grin:

nashvilleseo
21-10-11, 07:09
I grew up in the UK, and after moving to the USA I often felt unable to communicate with my fellow students at University. They didn't understand my jokes, often steeped in literary references, nor did they care to listen to my explanation of why it was humorous.

As jokes are never funny when they have to be explained, for a time I truly felt that I was socially awkward and unable to connect. Then came the stage of not caring at all what people thought about me, which lead to a perception of being rude or indifferent to others feelings.

Others inability to see beyond the present and extrapolate out how decisions could or would affect the future; at the time was anathema to me and something my logical brain refused to accept.

It took 5 or 6 years to realize that not everyone had my knowledge, intellect, or self-awareness, nor even "cared" about things I know to be important. This is something that I struggle with on a daily basis, especially now as I see the world going up in flames around us with such obvious answers for salvaging the situation.

Sadly, I find myself wishing to be blissfully unaware of the coming dangers that those who just don't see the need to bother themselves with being concerned about.

Perhaps someday I will be able to effect change.

Rankin
27-10-11, 21:17
I agree on most things concerning your analysis of folks with higher IQ's than most. When I was very young, a State held IQ test revealed to my family and teachers that I have an IQ of 136. I have found, in support of your analysis, that I am very socially... awkward, would be a good word for it. I agree that I, and people that I know who are in a similar situation, have problems with the majority of our conversations with the general public. I tend to use typically unused words, and I tend to go into too much detail concerning simple questions. I've especially had problems with people asking questions and not listening to answers. In my earlier school days, I had problems with the lessons, and I often failed classes out of boredom ( I say "earlier" school days as I am still young, I am only 17 years of age). I would definitely agree with you saying that high IQ people tend to forget trivial things more; I hardly ever remember to switch the laundry out, or turn off a light behind me, and I can never remember commitments I've made to meet someone somewhere, and things like that. I have no way to conclude this little segment, so I'm going to move on.

For the record, neither of my parents are very intelligent (and I'm not saying this out of some hormonal teen angst, they are just regular people). Neither have college degrees, and both work average jobs. My father cuts steel at a local factory, and my mother is a cosmetologist.

I do often find that people have problems completing similar tasks, even when it comes to manual labor. This has always irritated me. I wish people would just get their jobs done.

I know this is an old post, but maybe someone will add something. I realize that I never made a point, and I never contributed anything of any merit, but it's nice just to share a thought every now and then. Again, I agree with your analysis in general. I find it to nearly match my personality, and it tickles me to see such a mirror image of my own faults and strengths.

Antigone
28-10-11, 07:36
I believe that if you're as intelligent and superior, as all of you people who "recognise themselves" in this post claim you are, you would not need to prove to some random stranger on the internet.

This really makes me laugh.

A genius.. that is unsure of their amazing abilities.. so caught up in evolving their mind.. they are taken back by a post that says you're intelligent if you have these characteristics.
Well can I just say my cat has those damn characteristics, should I test her IQ?

When you feel so disconnected from the outside world you should really take another look at yourself as a being and see the difference between finding yourself and loving yourself to the point of being selfish.

Truly bright individuals do not need to prove themselves to an "everyday" being, while being competitive I think they are more competitive among their own kind. Just like you never see martial artists starting fights at the pub to prove themselves. People only prove themselves to others, to not only convince the outside world that this is true but also to convince themselves.
And just because someone has a "high IQ" doesn't make them a better person on the inside. Yet I presume they would be more in control of their frontal lobe, than an average individual but only because they are aware of it.

If your contribution to society is being a smart ass who sits there and brags about how high their level of intelligence is...
Please. There are enough stuck up people in this world.
We do not need more.
If you are a genius then why don't you put your mind to good use.

I only found these posts because my friend wanted to see what an average score for an IQ test is among individuals. And then I found this.

"I recognised so much of myself in these listed characteristics so I just couldn't help myself joining and telling the world." :laughing:

Sorry, i'm so intelligent
I cannot help myself :grin:

Well there is the typical Australian bullying reaction to anyone or anything that is perceived as different from the whole. Cut it down and denegrate it into submission, then everyone else won't seem dumb and ignorant. No wonder Australia's best and brightest all leave if they wish to achieve anything.

sparkey
28-10-11, 08:02
This thread is attracting a lot of one-and-done posters. Misunderstood geniuses?

Welcome, all of you. Spread your smarts more around the rest of this forum.

Wilhelm
28-10-11, 16:32
This thread is attracting a lot of one-and-done posters. Misunderstood geniuses?

Welcome, all of you. Spread your smarts more around the rest of this forum.
lol, seriously I don't understand what is the point. Makes them look more stupid actually.

himagain
29-10-11, 03:11
Hello, This is my first post. I stumbled across this discussion and decided to join Eupedia.

IQ tests frequently differ in their score numbers. This is the reason high IQ societies
allow entry on the basis of percentile ranking instead. Mensa, the most common society,
accepts the 98th percentile or, top two percent. Intertel accepts the top one percent. The Triple Nine Society and ISPE accept the 99.9th percentile of standardized IQ.

As you would expect, persons widely separated on the bell scale have trouble with, for simplicity's sake, communication.

While we all grow up and interact in the same social constructs, the wider the IQ gap, the less easy our intellectual interaction becomes.

High IQ societies are mainly social. Those of us who, being fewer in numbers due to being near one end of the curve, need to socialize with our intellectual peers, just as normal persons do without any need for IQ clubs.

I think some of the commenters here need to contact their local Mensa group's testing proctor and I'm sure they and Mensa would benefit greatly.

I wish all people of all intellectual levels peace and fulfillment.

rotunjere
25-11-11, 15:50
well let me be the latest in registering just to post here!

all i want to share is IQ/personality tests don't mean jacks**t. i grew up in an environment that emphasized a ridiculous amount of their time and energy in such things, ensuring young "talents" don't go to the drain. so... apparently i am in the top 2% IQ range and i am an ENTJ. oh yeah and i am also in the 6th year of my 4 year law degree (cause i flunked, duh) and did i mention i took my A levels twice? cause the initial results just sucks a$$.

and let me tell you what's really funny... i was doing fine all along. i'm serious. i consistently ranked among the top of the class for my entire school life, and in sports too, right up to the point i was told that i am "special". and special kids need their special classes, special friends, and special teachers. heck we even had special toys! and guess what? we even had to TALK special? jeez~ that has gotta be the most pretentious wannabe moments of my life. how i wish i had the guts back then to tell them to f**K off and just walk out to play with Suzie from the next class.

and now, i see those "un-special" old friends of mine making the big bucks and pursuing their dreams. it's not like i care about the money, i really don't, and apparently, THAT is my problem. "You see, boy, i know money is not important to you, and u think its meaningless, BUT you need money to pursue your interests and your passions" i quote, word for word from my counselor. the SAME person who had previously told me "special" kids like us need not care about money, but should just focus our brainpower to solve the world's problems, because apparently, only we can do it and it's our sacred duty. and the planet needs us.

in a nutshell, IQ tests and the likes f**ks you up. since when has it EVER achieved anything? Isaac Newton had no clue what was his IQ. neither did Leonardo. but somehow, WE know what their IQ is. look what good it did them, not knowing. and what good it did us, placing Newton's IQ at 200.

p/s: sorry if i sound bitter and angry. i think it's because... yeah i AM bitter and angry. and English is NOT my mother tongue. so language/grammar police, please f*ck off. come pick a fight with me in Cantonese.

LeBrok
25-11-11, 21:42
Welcome to Eupedia. Check our threads and join discussions.

PS. You can be angry but posting on Eupedia refrain from foul language.

himagain
07-01-12, 05:18
Why should any Hi-IQ person post here where there seems to be little respect for human dignity?

nziebart
21-01-12, 07:42
I know this thread is 5 years old, but wow. Absolutely spot on.. my IQ is 152, and this thread describes me perfectly. I have never read something that summarized my personality more precisely. This is golden.. Maciamo, if you are the original author of what you posted, well done.

ElHorsto
21-01-12, 13:31
Exceptionally gifted people care (much) less about what other people think of them, and are less sensitive to praise, and even less to flattery.

I bet they care less due to the self-esteem they earned after being attested to be super intelligent. ;-) I know a few cases from university who performed poorly at school, but later became top performers at university.
The hereditary factor is again only part of the story. Bad circumstances can easily deactivate ones gifts. Self-esteem, good nutrition and sleep are much underestimated.

nziebart
21-01-12, 22:27
I bet they care less due to the self-esteem they earned after being attested to be super intelligent. ;-)

They care less because they quickly realize that what other people think is irrelevant and usually wrong. Even if other people praise them for something, it doesn't matter if they aren't happy with it themselves already. The opposite is also true; if criticized, they will assume the validity of their own opinion over that of the criticizer. You learn from experience that going based on what other people say doesn't work reliably, so you stop doing it.


The hereditary factor is again only part of the story. Bad circumstances can easily deactivate ones gifts. Self-esteem, good nutrition and sleep are much underestimated.

Yes, absolutely.

ElHorsto
22-01-12, 00:43
They care less because they quickly realize that what other people think is irrelevant and usually wrong. Even if other people praise them for something, it doesn't matter if they aren't happy with it themselves already. The opposite is also true; if criticized, they will assume the validity of their own opinion over that of the criticizer.


Sorry, I should have said "some" instead of "they". I just wanted to add, that some of them started being intelligent when they understood that they are not dumb. Also one can not tell easily from outside whether his self esteem is based on true intellectual achievement or just on the believe in it. Yet in both cases, a healthy confidence is a strong booster of intelligence.
EDIT: Someone who believes to be intelligent is more motivated to engage in intellectual activities. This in turn soon results in actually strengthened intelligence, ... and so forth.



You learn from experience that going based on what other people say doesn't work reliably, so you stop doing it.


Yes, but it often requires a certain minimum age and enough opportunities in order to earn such experience. Therefore gifted children often perform poorly at school, but later perform above average. Take Einstein for example.

niertap
28-01-12, 12:58
I think many first time posters have found this thread because they have no role model to look up to and have only to turn to the internet. I felt a sudden rush of understanding when a read the message of OP. It was like i could finally put words to the thoughts that stood on the tip of my tongue. Some stories I now put forth in the hopes that they may help someone in a similar place as I. Below I have recounted some of my experiences in the hopes they may help others.

-Throughout grade school I felt like my teachers were more like peers than my fellow students. Though this was often disjointed and ill fitting.

-As I approached highschool I grew bored in class and generally slept.

-I wanted to experiment with pyrotechnics as my uncle did in his childhood. I looked at a periodic table to try to figure out the weight ratio of chemicals. I saw the numbers for molecular weight and that was all I had to see to understand the concept of moles and the like.

-Once in college I had an evergrowing dislike for classes like biology. I knew nearly every concept, however I never felt a need to learn the seemingly random names given to many things. This angered me as I felt I had received the knowledge sent to me, however felt like other things were much more important than the seemingly arbitrary names attached.

-during the third quarter of organic chemistry I skipped the last four weeks of class as it was a purely lecture class. I then studied the book for ~10 hours the night before the final exam. I received a B on the exam and class, which was well above the standardized average of 70%(a C- or 1.86 gpa). It was as if cramming before a test was best. I could learn best if i just immersed my self completely in the subjects.

-I had a long distance girlfriend from the end of high school for around 2 years thereafter. The childish and blind desire to be able to visit here focused my mind like a razor blade. I sought to make a discovery to gain wealth enough to be with her. The subject I attacked was chemistry. I gained a position researching in an organic chemistry lab, even though I had barely any experience. Within a handful of months I began having to make the best decision to back down from the knowledge I had gained, because I had surpassed the chemistry professor advising me. Even now my mind is still filled with the probable structure of compounds that are molded after proteinacious catalysts, though in a less fragile form.

-after the breakup of the girlfriend I was saddened far more than I should have been. I had clung to the hope of her and the life I wished for. No reason to grasp upon it, besides it being the only future and drive I could find. After its loss, I learned much and I eventually grew to believe the inner workings of the brain were purely cause and effect. I also began to trust my thoughts and what chances of occurring I deemed. It became apparent emotions cloud the thoughts, obscuring the truth. With this revaluation, I began to experience the most terrible and horrifying experience I have yet to encounter. It was not a deep sadness, depression, or pain. But a complete lack thereof. It was an all encompassing apathy, the most sinister of traps I could lead my mind into. For in those moments I felt absolutely no desire to do anything and any energy within me felt like it would rip me apart. It was the most extreme of discomforts I have ever felt. I thought about ending my life and putting an end to the torment; but for all the discomfort I felt, I saw no reason to do so. Likewise, I knew that being with certain people would lift the grey, but I saw no point. The only way to free my self was to force my self forward with the smallest and weakest outermost parts of my mind.

-Lastly I have "found" what I think is the true essence of religion. I walked one night, feeling the pain as my kidneys failed me. I stopped at a bench and asked to the world, "god, give me a sign". Nothing caught my interest, but then I realized the god created the world and that everything I looked at was a sign. I then realized that the only true way to "find god" was to stop looking. For it was I who had lost god in my search for god. I then thought of the arrogance of people who would climb mountains to write down gods words or those people who would cross nations, slaughtering and subjugating many to bring god to them. I realized it was the closed minded thought of people that god was not already with all people, that going to the top of a desolate mountain(away from gods most intricate workings) to find god, and that god was not open to every one. I last realized that the only way to "find" god was to go on the journey your self. Nothing any person could do, would change it until it was truly time for it to occur.

FBS
14-02-12, 15:17
IQ vs EQ - Left brain hemisphere vs Right brain hemisphere - Digital vs Analog

All humans (biologically healthy) have two brain hemispheres that are meant to be utilized. However there are always cases when a person is putting at work exclusively the left brain and these are the cases with the high IQ, and unfortunately high IQ does not equal success in life. Left brain is a digital brain, that sees pieces in everything, sees a tree not the forest. Digital brains are like computers/robots, working bit by bit but do not understand the wholeness.

On the other hand, right brain thinkers will always miss to see the details, but can understand the wholeness. Analog brain can sense the wholeness and the oneness in the universe. Cannot explain it for the digital world, something the quantum physics is now trying to explain, but it is very hard since we need the middle approach (using both brain hemispheres).

This scientist explains it wonderfully: Jill Bolte Taylor on Stroke of Insight, TED talks.

Enjoy

1rainman
14-02-12, 20:01
I read this post from an online search. It resonated with me. I wanted to contact some of the posters privately. Apparently there is no way to private message anyone on this forum. I have no interest in "bragging" about intelligence. I just wanted to contact people similar to me because I believe I have some projects and some insight that would be useful to them and myself as well. I can't do that because this is the only forum I have found where personal messages are not possible (maybe I just don't see how to do it??). So this is why I'm posting. Please enable private messaging.

I also hate to simply throw out a link or something that makes me look like I'm advertising or something, I'm not. I just don't want to give my personal e-mail here either. I have no way for others to contact me on this forum.

I have some things I really want to say to some people and I can't.

At best I can ask- please can you enable some form of private messaging?

All I can say is

1) if you are looking for some ideas of how to use intelligence to make money I have a group project that may be of use.
2) you see obvious solutions to social problems and would like to work in a team to implement these, I have a project for that
3) you would like to connect with people who have similar personality traits as listed in the original post, I have a project for that
4) I really wish I didn't need to put this in the public because I don't like people who simply are jealous or offended whenever someone else is accomplishing something. I have no interest in "proving" anything to anybody. I'm not posting this for people who don't agree, I'm simply directing this at people who have an interest in this sort of thing:

*** oops sorry I must have ten post in order to post links*** I would say contact me but I can't do that. I'm not really sure what to do maybe I can hang around on here and in a few weeks be able to actually find some way in hell that I can contact others on here.

1rainman
14-02-12, 20:03
ok I don't see a button where I can edit my post either. All I can say is look at my profile *wink*

Mzungu mchagga
14-02-12, 21:11
I just typed the words "high intelligence character" in google, and this thread appeared on third place! Now that explains something!

1rainman
14-02-12, 22:22
It's not the fact that this popped up on a google search. It's that the original post describes me with about 99% accuracy, which is really strange. I never thought I conformed to any pre-fab stereotype before.

hope
22-02-12, 04:32
I think intelligence encourages ones self belief ..however one can become arrogant because of it.

Franco
22-02-12, 09:37
I think that arrogance is not symptom of intelligence. Intelligent people are usually humble. Only insecure bimbos need to be arrogant. It's pretty much like dogs, the smaller and inoffensive they are, the more they bark.

hope
22-02-12, 12:25
But do you not think that some intelligent people become arrogant because of the success their said intelligence has afforded them and in some cases see only their own point as absolute and unflawed..this is the "arrogance" I am speaking of. Of course this is not the wider rule for intelligent people.

LeBrok
22-02-12, 19:06
I can see that hope. Hi IQ can create a feeling of superiority in some people, and they will become more arrogant than they would be otherwise. One would need this "genetic" predisposition of arrogance at first.
Franco is right too, if someone is a nice person, was born a nice person, then he/she will stay nice even when highly intelligent.

hope
23-02-12, 01:13
Yes, I suppose some of these people are vain or arrogant in the first place and it because their intelligence brings them to our attention we then notice it.

easy rider
26-02-12, 10:04
Hello, I felt compelled to jot a few comments based on all the things I've read here on this subject.

I first found out about my IQ when I had to enlist in the US Navy. It was the highest score they ever recorded at the time. Just want to mention that because ultimately, I ended up running the psychology dept. of the US Navy's 12 Naval district which is the entire Western US.

I have given hundreds of IQ tests. My observation is that I'd rather not known my IQ, because I was treated like someone special. It made me somewhat arrogant for quite some time.

As for the job issue....best jobs for high IQ are professional or self-employed. Granted there are high IQ policemen, gardeners, and so forth who love their jobs. I am making a broad generalization for most high IQ people.

Sidebar: if you are aware of the Rorshach 'ink blot' test, I can tell you that schizonephrenic people and high IQ people see the most images in any given ink blot. I'm guessing that's where the phrase about genius and insanity being close could have come from!

Bright people are just born that way. Just like blue eyed people. No better, no worse. If you are bright and impatient with others, I would suggest that you learn patience w/others and continue to live your impatient life the way you want on your own. You are not better. And the world could use some sociable, brilliant people with ethics.

As for the occupation with the highest IQ? Military Generals.

Best, LT

Kardu
24-03-12, 22:42
Because IQ is so intricately linked to male hormones, it is normal to see a correlation between very high IQ and masculine social behaviour.


During my years in academia (in the Netherlands and Sweden) I was surrounded by super-smart people but hardly any of them could be considered as masculine. 99% of them could be the best described as 'wimps' :)

Radek
27-03-12, 08:16
During my years in academia (in the Netherlands and Sweden) I was surrounded by super-smart people but hardly any of them could be considered as masculine. 99% of them could be the best described as 'wimps' :)


Thats because blond germanic men arent usually as agressive as the darker people, they dont have that inner insecurity to prove how masculine they are by appearing threatening/agressive at first sight. You see that in more unprogressive countries like Serbia, Italy,etc or even the UK/Ireland (the meds of northern europe by behavior and looks).

L.D.Brousse
27-03-12, 14:04
That is insane Radek. Like Nazi propaganda of years past. Your German I'm part German you Know for a fact the majority of the population of Germany are not Blond. My neighbor who was from a German family spoke it fluently fought in ww2. Was a interpreter He said he saw all the Nazi propaganda of the " Super Men" and when they started capturing Germans he said he was shocked he thought they would all look like the poster but instead most were ugly short guys Radek I suggest you get your DNA checked And see the facts The UK is loaded with German Nordic DNA All Europe is a mix Hitler's male Y DNA line has been checked he was a E1b1b hardly what you would call a "Germanic" Super Man Hyplotype. Even if you have a Germanic haplotype the does not mean you don't have a shit load on Non German autosomal DNA

Radek
27-03-12, 18:10
That is insane Radek. Like Nazi propaganda of years past. Your German I'm part German you Know for a fact the majority of the population of Germany are not Blond. My neighbor who was from a German family spoke it fluently fought in ww2. Was a interpreter He said he saw all the Nazi propaganda of the " Super Men" and when they started capturing Germans he said he was shocked he thought they would all look like the poster but instead most were ugly short guys Radek I suggest you get your DNA checked And see the facts The UK is loaded with German Nordic DNA All Europe is a mix Hitler's male Y DNA line has been checked he was a E1b1b hardly what you would call a "Germanic" Super Man Hyplotype. Even if you have a Germanic haplotype the does not mean you don't have a shit load on Non German autosomal DNA

Why do you need to mix it with pro-germanic propagana and/or old school nazism? Its a matter of objetivity to recognize germanics (specially scaninavians an dutch) are way less agressive in behavior than southern europeans or slavs. Its not because of race but rather culture. Again who said being more/less agressive means being superior/inferior than someone else?.

I just was trying to be assertive in explaining you why native dutch and swedes could seem "wimps" to you.

hope
28-03-12, 01:19
Thats because blond germanic men arent usually as agressive as the darker people, they dont have that inner insecurity to prove how masculine they are by appearing threatening/agressive at first sight. You see that in more unprogressive countries like Serbia, Italy,etc or even the UK/Ireland (the meds of northern europe by behavior and looks).

Is there a study regarding this? I`d be interested to see what methods were applied.

Kardu
29-03-12, 16:03
Thats because blond germanic men arent usually as agressive as the darker people, they dont have that inner insecurity to prove how masculine they are by appearing threatening/agressive at first sight. You see that in more unprogressive countries like Serbia, Italy,etc or even the UK/Ireland (the meds of northern europe by behavior and looks).
This is totally wrong. First of all the assumption by Maciamo was to connect high IQ with masculine behaviour. When I mentioned Holland and Sweden it didn't mean that my colleagues were Dutch or Swedish only. Actually they were minority. Majority were from all around Europe and World.. My point was to challenge that assumed link between IQ and male hormones. I've seen many wimpish Georgians, Italians etc. in academia. So it's not about blond vs. dark.
And I have few superblond friends who look so tough and manly that any southerner would think ten times before messing with them.

Kardu
29-03-12, 16:16
Why do you need to mix it with pro-germanic propagana and/or old school nazism? Its a matter of objetivity to recognize germanics (specially scaninavians an dutch) are way less agressive in behavior than southern europeans or slavs. Its not because of race but rather culture. Again who said being more/less agressive means being superior/inferior than someone else?.

I just was trying to be assertive in explaining you why native dutch and swedes could seem "wimps" to you.

Less aggressive behaviour of Dutch, German etc. is due to cultural trends and propaganda of the last decades. It's nurture not nature. 'Wimps' would not conquer the world... read history...

Danneskjold
20-05-12, 09:37
Very interesting analysis. :)

I can't really make any comments from a personal point of view... except one very minor point... I don't see that "truth, facts and logic" run counter to "friendship and emotional relations" (although I grasp the point, and realise that you are not saying they are mutually exclusive or anything); on the contrary I would say that truth (in the sense of facts) is very closely allied with honesty, which is imo essential to strong friendships and positive emotional relations. :-)

At least people know what to expect from you/us. :)

Barrister
20-05-12, 11:34
I stumbled across this thread while searching for a connection between extreme self discipline and a possible chemical imbalance. You see of course that I was running out of 'simple' ways to word what I was looking for. I do that a lot. I constantly have to think of smaller words to get my thoughts across to people...
While reading the OP, I felt a strange sense of calm creep over me and even caught myself smiling when I had only gotten half way through. Maybe I am not a total freak of nature, and I can chalk it all up to having a high IQ. *shrug*
5 days ago I decided to quit smoking. I have smoked for the better part of 10 years. Since then I have had essentially NO adverse effects. No irritability, no anxiety, no anger. I have kept a journal to document 'possible cravings' since I haven't even experienced 1 full blown craving. And that seems odd to me. I live with a smoker, and the smell of it doesn't seem to effect me either. It doesn't disgust me, it doesn't appeal to me. I am completely indifferent to it since the moment I decided I wanted nothing to do with it.
It didn't take long for me to compare this mindset/outcome to other areas of my life, as I frequently 'triage' every part of my life. Especially people. I know it is cold, but it keeps things simple. I don't like messes or complications.

What has been bothering me most of all lately, is that I didn't always used to be so disconnected from everyone and everything. I used to be engaging, and doting, and empathetic to everything. Now I am completely unaffected by things that SHOULD bother me, or any other human being... but for some reason I am not.
I self-analyze ALL THE TIME. I frequently re-evaluate and make corrections where needed. I also seem to lack the filter that keeps people from saying what everyone is thinking. I'm not nice enough to lie. =) On the other hand, I tend to command attention wherever I go. I can absolutely put on my game face which is pleasant, witty, and charming... but inside I am reading the room and the people in it. I can pick a person's personality defects apart in a matter of seconds. I can even identify the clear defects in my own... but I have no explanation as to why I am this way, and whether or not I should try to change. And if I do decide to change, what corrections should I make?
There you go.. no one asked for that TMI contribution of mine, but maybe just maybe someone on here has some helpful advice. To be honest, had I not read this thread, I would have continued thinking I am the only one like this... and I think ultimately that would have been worse. So thank you in advance for any helpful advice given.

What an interesting thread! I identify with alot of what you say. I wake at 3am every morning and and run 10 kilometres, 5 days a week, i also sleep on a hard wooden floor. People think i'm insane, i just consider it to be self improvement. It probably is a chemical imbalance. I study law and banking at the moment, and i find that in everything that i take interest in, irrespective of what it is, i MUST reach a certain level....it started with music, i studied jazz at the Conservatorium on a scholarship when i was 16 in contemporay drumkit and enjoyed it. I heard some music one day by Chick Corea and i thought, WhAT THE HELL is going on here?! I was consumed by this, i was determined to understand what was going through their minds when playing something that sounds like complete chaos. I thought about it every moment of my life, waking, before bed, all throughout my days, even started an avante garde jazz trio with friends, obsessed with understanding it on the deepest level possible. Not just "humanly" possible, but universally possible, i saw no limits...then it branched out into other things, religion, politics, genetics, so many different things, but of course, you can only reach mastery on 1 thing really, just because there are not enough hours in a day and you can't make money from studying religion and politics, so i settled with a legal/finance degree and making money in general. People have told me, "do what you love, do what you love!!"...What does that really mean? For me, the "love" is in the chase and the hunt for uncovering and understanding new ways of thinking, new perspectives, etc. When my mind is blown is when i'm happy. It's what makes me sit in front of a book for 5 hours or more until and not walking away until i understand it, and the satisfaction is so immensely powerful and long-lasting. People might think it's extreme but whatever. It's how i've always been. Best wishes to you and thanks for sharing what you did.

m87branton
04-06-12, 20:54
This is my first post and have found this thread to be interesting enough, that if it is to continue I could see myself revisiting just for the conversation and theories people have. I have not visited any other threads on this forum so I may not be on the forum often but will try to keep up with this thread if people continue to add to it. I have read most of this thread and was very interested in the begining. But slowly the thread seemed to become about people who feel as though they match the OP description. I personally do not like being labeled in the manner the OP described. Better yet, I do not appreciate labels, accurate or not. Not to say if the the description is acurate all. I do not wish to share my IQ out of further judgement but I will say that it is very rare that I do not enjoy speaking to an individual. I will admitt that it is best to speak to an individual that has knowledge of something I do not, for this person to keep my interest. And I also find some people to be a waste but many people display traits such as that to other individuals. I have also not found any issues with locating a job but do wish I could find someone willing to sponsor all of my ideas and pay me a decent salary just to bring them to life...but who wouldnt? I like the idea of being smarter then most but refuse to accept that an individual with a high IQ feels superior to others. I rarely feel superior. Often I feel as though I need prove myself as being superior in intelligence. In social situation I find myself to be the center of attention but do not feel as I had work at it. Sometimes I am the center of attention purely because of my randomness for thoughts and ideas. I believe I read somewhere that a person with high IQ feels the need to be a leader or followed. I get rather upset when a group points me as a leader. I understand that some peoples ideas of freedom is to be led but I can not comprhend why anyone would want to be a leader or a follower. Why are so many people obsessed with IQ when the majority of the world is just happy not falling into the retard classification? Do I just feel as though I have been out of place so many times that my intelligence naturaly takes a back seat at this point in my life? Is that even possible? Perhaps my IQ is a fluke and I am not as smart as a TEST says I am. Maybe I just got lucky. At the same time, I am scared of losing my intelligence. Not as to be considered normal. I would love it if my iq was considered normal, I would have less stress in my life...I think. If everyone was to be suddenly smarter that would be spectaculr. I just have a fear that the people surrounding are bring my IQ down. But refuse to think that the people around me are beneath me. They all have something to offer, right?

Random thoughts, I know. But if anyway wishes to add or question anything I have said, please, do. Also, I understand that my writing maybe hard to comprehend because I miss words or put the same word twice next to each other. I did my best to proof read what I wrote but still may have missed several things. I have a tendency to read what I meant while proof reading and not catching my mistakes.

Keegah
05-06-12, 01:09
Who cares what your IQ is? It's nobler to work and earn, than it is to be freely given something. Everyone knows that. So why should you care what your IQ is?
Your intelligence was given to you by your parents in a genetic lottery. Your knowledge, however - you had to earn that.
I can never finish reading this thread. The sheer quantity of insecure idiots trying desperately to validate their feelings of self-worth - mostly by attempting to convince themselves and others that they are smarter than "the masses" - just gets to be too much.

LeBrok
05-06-12, 03:02
Who cares what your IQ is? It's nobler to work and earn, than it is to be freely given something. Everyone knows that. So why should you care what your IQ is?
Your intelligence was given to you by your parents in a genetic lottery. Your knowledge, however - you had to earn that.
I can never finish reading this thread. The sheer quantity of insecure idiots trying desperately to validate their feelings of self-worth - mostly by attempting to convince themselves and others that they are smarter than "the masses" - just gets to be too much.

Lol, I'm not sure if I can sign under all of your conclusions, but it's true that most, self proclaimed, geniuses come to Eupedia and post only in this thread. They post about self amazement, self pity and their uniqueness in general, and are never heard again.

ElHorsto
05-06-12, 18:40
Who cares what your IQ is? It's nobler to work and earn, than it is to be freely given something. Everyone knows that. So why should you care what your IQ is?
Your intelligence was given to you by your parents in a genetic lottery. Your knowledge, however - you had to earn that.
I can never finish reading this thread. The sheer quantity of insecure idiots trying desperately to validate their feelings of self-worth - mostly by attempting to convince themselves and others that they are smarter than "the masses" - just gets to be too much.

Yes, but I still wouldn't overestimate the genetic lottery. It can be important, but is yet very limited I think. Nutrition, life-style and toxins might be more important. It's somewhat similar to how muscles grow by sports excercise, and quickly degenerate by lack of excercise or diseases. Those who think they are dumb, will most likely stay dumb, because they avoid intellectual challenges, because they fear failure (perhaps because they once got attested a low IQ during childhood). Obviously the brain is the most flexible organ by far. Several years ago there was a report on TV showing a little girl which got one entire brain hemisphere resected. When she recovered, she went to school and became the best performing pupil of her class. Of course, child's brains are much more adaptive than adult's, but still - it is wrong to believe that information behaves like a liquid which eventually fills up the brain's capacity. Its actually quite the opposite: the more you know, the more efficient becomes the information compression (=comprehension), because differences between old and new information decreases, such that learning new informations becomes easier, rather than harder (anyone heard of the "exponential learning curve"?). There are - as always - exceptions of course.

Keegah
05-06-12, 20:06
I don't disagree with you. That's the beauty of learning new things. The more you learn, the more you want to keep learning - and the process just gets smoother and smoother. I was mostly criticizing the way many people in this thread seemed to be obsessed with their IQ.

ElHorsto
05-06-12, 22:36
I don't disagree with you.IQ.

I don' either. I was merely using your post as an excuse to write down some additional thoughts for this thread in general. The term "genetic lottery" inspired me to do so. That's all ;-)

The Alani Dragon
10-06-12, 00:24
I'm in the top 2%, however my parents aren't high IQ. My curse is a very high degree of empathy.

DavidT
31-08-12, 19:54
This thread article is so close to what I am it is intriguing. In 1963 I was given a US Army AFQT score that I scored 99% on. They did not tell me the import of this at the time, I had maxed the test. Only recently thanks to the internet did I find out that Mensa will accept any supervised qualifying test score ever taken meeting their requirements. The AFQT score enabled me to join both Mensa and also Intertel, my score placing me somewhere in the top 1% of the people taking the test - by my reading that is somewhere above about 137 IQ. The reason I am boring you with this, is that somewhere out there there are others not knowing the value of old test scores. If you have any questions, do some research and reading on the internet and find out for yourself. Send me an email if you want.
David

Goga
31-08-12, 21:24
My IQ fluctuates between 130 - 135 points. I have a brother who's 3 years younger and I think he has got the same IQ as I do, he's maybe even smarter

The point is that I'm not a very social person. I like to be alone and I don't like to have lot of friends. I love to have tranquillity in my head. I can have a lot of friends, but I don't want it and I don't like to go out a lot. I don't care what people think about me and I don't mind to hurt people emotionally. I do identify myself with folks with autism. Sometimes I think that I have autism to.

But my brother is paradoxical to me. He is very social person, he likes to do things for other folks and often is helping his friends.

ElHorsto
05-12-12, 01:46
Here is a short documentary about one little girl living a normal life after undergoing resection of her entire right brain hemisphere. I don't know if that's the same girl I mentioned in the previous post, but it is still impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKNsI5CWoU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKNsI5CWoU

Her left brain probably already started adapting to the slowly decaying right brain before actual surgery happened, but it still shows how few brain we probably need to function normally. Actually, there are many benign brain tumors that can also drastically reduce brain volume in adult patients, often without any symptoms, even if the tumor occupies a volume of a grapefruit. This is possible if the tumor grows very slowly over 20 years.

Brain size after all correlates a lot with body size (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization#Encephalization_quotient). I believe an important role of a big brain is to ensure neural redundance and resistance against toxins and injuries (e.g. by redundant neurons) rather than only increasing intelligence.

alibaz
31-01-13, 13:37
Maciamo, how interesting!
I too wish that I had read this years ago as I have never been good socially, I really cant be doing with smalltalk. Im fine with two or three people but any more than that and I say nothing. The way that I am has often made me wonder if I have psychopathic tendencies as I have (had - older now!) little regard for peoples feelings and would happily point out their errors, feeling they had a right to know. My IQ is not amazingly high, I am a member of Mensa (looks good on the cv!) - but I never associated my coldness with that in any way.
I have always been happier working on learning things than socialising, I have amazing concentration and go off into another world in my head - which I like. However, as Ive got older ive realised the advantages to having people around me, I am kinder and more thoughtful and cherish my friends and family. I do not end conversations by pointing out the obvious but sit back and enjoy the journey. I know now that most people do not want their problems to be solved or to hear the solutions. It is the conversation and the sharing which is far more important.
Here I am again - pointing out the obvious!!!!!

LeBrok
31-01-13, 19:02
as Ive got older ive realised the advantages to having people around me, I am kinder and more thoughtful and cherish my friends and family. I do not end conversations by pointing out the obvious but sit back and enjoy the journey. I know now that most people do not want their problems to be solved or to hear the solutions. It is the conversation and the sharing which is far more important.
Here I am again - pointing out the obvious!!!!!
But in the right place and the right time. Really smart point of view I must add. I'm straggling big time in this department. Let it be my lesson too.
Welcome to Eupedia alibaz. :)

alibaz
01-02-13, 11:30
But in the right place and the right time. Really smart point of view I must add. I'm straggling big time in this department. Let it be my lesson too.
Welcome to Eupedia alibaz. :)
Hi Lebrok, thanks for your welcoming words. Im finding this whole discussion rather interesting because from my point of view I'm seeing people like ourselves suddenly realising why they are so weird, and having an explanation for behaviour which has been hard to deal with throughout their whole lives, and also people who are deeply threatened by the whole business of IQs. Of course a high high IQ doesn't make you a better person, it also, I hate to say it, does not make you more employable - and you dont automatically have a right to a better job. I would far rather be really good at business and have an uncanny knack for reading the financial markets than have a high IQ, and the two most certainly do not go hand in hand. High IQ does not equal high common sense or high awareness or perception. As my high IQ neice said some time ago when someone commented to her that old phrase "....is the Pope Catholic....?", she replied "....I don't know, the old one was but there's a new one now...". !!!!
Something else I try and live by now which helps me in difficult 'tongue-biting' conversations and which I think you will appreciate is this. When it comes to things like Religion, Politics, Education, Art etc. , everyone has an equally valid opinion. No-one is right but no-one is wrong. Im certainly not right but Im certainly not wrong. All these things depend on upbringing, personal experience and the view you have from where you are standing. The only thing to do is take the Chinese approach and embrace other peoples perspectives. Good luck with that - its tricky but the results are quite amazing.

oriental
02-02-13, 01:48
IQ is like measuring an athlete purely on how fast he runs the 100 meters/yards race. There are many athletic activities. A fast runner is no match for a slow, hulking weight lifter in a wresting ring nor he can perform rings on the gymnastic rings as well as a gymnast.

Brain activities are many and solving problems is only one.

LeBrok
02-02-13, 02:44
Of course a high high IQ doesn't make you a better person, it also, I hate to say it, does not make you more employable - and you dont automatically have a right to a better job. I would far rather be really good at business and have an uncanny knack for reading the financial markets than have a high IQ, and the two most certainly do not go hand in hand. High IQ does not equal high common sense or high awareness or perception.

You're right but only on individual bases. Statistically speaking people with higher IQ are more financially successful or secured than people with lower IQ. Generally speaking it is better to have high IQ than not.

Most likely there is a limit on very high IQ and ability to live successful life. Very high IQ might be more destructive than positive in finding a spouse and carrying one's genes into next generation (nerd factor), therefore failing the most important purpose of life.

Good balance of many abilities is the key to any success.

Yetos
02-02-13, 03:43
You're right but only on individual bases. Statistically speaking people with higher IQ are more financially successful or secured than people with lower IQ. Generally speaking it is better to have high IQ than not.

Most likely there is a limit on very high IQ and ability to live successful life. Very high IQ might be more destructive than positive in finding a spouse and carrying one's genes into next generation (nerd factor), therefore failing the most important purpose of life.

Good balance of many abilities is the key to any success.


I don't think that is a rule,

It is like admit that Big painters like Van Gogh had low IQ that is why he died in poverty,
Do you believe that Nicolas Tesla had lower IQ than Edison, or a modern Banker?

Come on Le brok, Financial success does not mean biger IQ,
compare Steve Jobs and Billy Gates,

it is like we admit that a modern rock player, or a teen dancer-singer has double or triple IQ than music composers of 16-18th century.
do you believe that Tomy Lee and his girlfriend Pamela Anderson have Bigger IQ cause they manage to earn more money than Beethoven or Mozart?

simply our world is to slow, and stupidity is so big,
and the ones who manage to gain from people's stupidity are considered 'smart' but is it?


the 'American dream' of succes = money, smart=money IQ= money are you sure it is correct?
it is like telling me that Spielberg and his effects in cinema, is smarter than Emir Kusturica.
I suggest you 2 movies of him,
'Arizona dream' instead of 'American dream'
and 'time of the gypsies' to understand that IQ has nothing to do with money.

by following that,
Maybe I have bigger IQ if at the age of 80 divorse my wife and marry a 30 years old 'bunny'? :laughing:


If I sell my kidney for 50 000 E
I will be richer than I am today, is that high IQ indicator?

LeBrok
02-02-13, 06:03
Did you hear about statistics Yetos? Do you know how they work?




Come on Le brok, Financial success does not mean biger IQ,
compare Steve Jobs and Billy Gates,

It doesn't make sense at all. Compare them to who or what? They are (were) billionths of high IQ.

alibaz
02-02-13, 11:19
Did you hear about statistics Yetos? Do you know how they work?



It doesn't make sense at all. Compare them to who or what? They are (were) billionths of high IQ.

I think you are both right !!

But please dont bring statistics into it. Statistical results are only as good as the sample group and questions asked and the deductions are often highly misleading. It used to be that you were more likely to survive a plane crash if you were a smoker. That was a statistical fact. Mmmmm - wrong question asked.

I do not and never have believed that my main purpose in life is to reproduce. It is true that I have had little success at relationships but thats a personal failing.

I do not measure the success or worth of an individual by the amount of money or possessions they have. Everyone in this world has something to teach us, a story to tell. Also, everyone in this world is of equal 'value'.

kamani
02-02-13, 11:47
There is the 1 in 1.000.000 person who has a brain disease that lets part of his brain develop more; those people usually die early. And then there is all the idiots out there who think they're geniuses. High IQ does not mean unquestionable natural superiority, it just means someone has worked harder at the type of thinking that the test requires. And ofcourse mainstream media feeds the hero/genius mentality because it makes you fight/work harder believing that you're going to achieve miraculous results because you're so much better than the rest of the people.

Yetos
02-02-13, 12:56
Did you hear about statistics Yetos? Do you know how they work?



It doesn't make sense at all. Compare them to who or what? They are (were) billionths of high IQ.


Among them,

Compare Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates,

their IQ their work and the money they earn,

there you realise what I am talking about,

it is like telling me that Sorros has bigger IQ than Shakespeare or Mozart or Van Gogh or modern Genious people that did not happened to earn huge amounts of money cause they did not care for,
Money Mafia has nothing to do with Personal IQ

Ann Nicol Smith earned more money, has she bigger IQ than Beethoven?

come on,


and about Statistics,
it depends where they focus and correct they are,
I have seen statistics about modern city traffic that were doomed from the begining,
I have seen fabricated statistics, and wrong base statistics,
Statistics is a tool, to understand current time subject and predict future, and they be many times depending on where they focus,

I remember a statistic on the cost of road bad conditions and blood that was done in US.
a road status condition and safety was not under how many people were killed, but what kind of people were killed,
for example a big bussiness man if killed it was the same if killed 500 farmers or ordinary workers,
it was the unaccepted statistic I ever heard,
it was giving grades of better watching and preserve of road not according how many people, how many mercandise cross it, but according how much money each driver could have,

come on,
i was watching an employ at a public servise that all she had to do was to make copies and receive Fax, she earns more than me cause she has a 'big boss' as friend or uncle, yet her degree is C due to rest fellings of sympathy
what that means she is clever than me cause I am unemploed for 2 years?

Forbes list does claim that contains people with high IQ,
some of them found them from their fathers or husbands etc,

Rich does mean smart,
I read before some moons that a woman manage to break telephon cards 16 numbers code and was caught from police for damaging a few tenths of thousands $ some companies,
did she had smaller IQ than a lucky who won lottary? or has an uncle in party and gets a big heritage and a good job?


do you believe that people who got heritage propertie, earn some more, and at 80 years old marry a playboy 'bunny' have bigger IQ than rest of us?
Is that kind of life an indicator of High IQ?

Such statistics reminds me the statistics of Janver about criminality and cranium angles in 'Les Misserables'

I suggest also that,
except 'Arizona dream' and 'time of Gypsies'

LeBrok
02-02-13, 20:10
I think you are both right !!

But please dont bring statistics into it. IQ is about pattern and trend recognition and so is statistics. I think it is of big importance in this thread.


I do not and never have believed that my main purpose in life is to reproduce. It is true that I have had little success at relationships but thats a personal failing. It's not a matter of belief. Every living thing on this planet comes from long chain of ancestors. Species who failed to make new offspring are no longer in existence. Can you see the pattern?


I do not measure the success or worth of an individual by the amount of money or possessions they have. Everyone in this world has something to teach us, a story to tell. Also, everyone in this world is of equal 'value'.
Noble social virtues, I like it.

LeBrok
02-02-13, 20:14
There is the 1 in 1.000.000 person who has a brain disease that lets part of his brain develop more; those people usually die early. And then there is all the idiots out there who think they're geniuses. High IQ does not mean unquestionable natural superiority, it just means someone has worked harder at the type of thinking that the test requires. And ofcourse mainstream media feeds the hero/genius mentality because it makes you fight/work harder believing that you're going to achieve miraculous results because you're so much better than the rest of the people.
I would always favour normal person who learns and works hard over a lazy genius.

kamani
02-02-13, 20:28
I would always favour normal person who learns and works hard over a lazy genius.
what about the average joe, that works moderatively and cheats both the above types whenever he can? Not to mention that they multiply like rabbits too. lol.

Yetos
02-02-13, 20:40
I would always favour normal person who learns and works hard over a lazy genius.


That is why nobody wants a 'genious' in work, cause they are afraid of comparing and they might even lose their head-position,
that is the same reason man are afraid of smart women, and rarelly marry them.

that is why most of genious die in poverty or with normal savings,
cause they want to be accepted by all, and not only to boss as riffians.
they want to open and grow their minds not their bank savings,

High IQ sometimes is an isolation gift, to see realize and speak about rest 8-9/10 can not even realize.
People with high IQ many times reject it to live a normal life,

LeBrok
02-02-13, 20:52
Among them,

Compare Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates,

their IQ their work and the money they earn,

there you realise what I am talking about,



Sorry Yetos, this doesn't make sense again.

Anyway I was talking about statistics and you keep bringing up individual examples. It takes many, in some cases hundreds or thousands, of individual cases to see the pattern very well.

Some statistics are obvious. After observing length of days and nights during a year for few years in Greece (for example) one can conclude that they fluctuate in length on yearly bases, exactly same pattern repeats itself every year. It is impossible to conclude this pattern after only few month observation.

On other hand, it took high IQ and years of hard work, but Nicolaus Copernicus was able, using math and statistics, to prove once and for all that Sun is the center and the Earth and planets go around it. Because the complexity of calculation and system in itself it took few hundred of years for rest of people to understand this. Well, to be honest, few will understand and unfortunately for most of us this in sphere of believes.

LeBrok
02-02-13, 20:55
what about the average joe, that works moderatively and cheats both the above types whenever he can? Not to mention that they multiply like rabbits too. lol.
Give him contraceptives. The average joe will pick an easy life and won't have kids.

Yetos
02-02-13, 21:25
Sorry Yetos, this doesn't make sense again.

Anyway I was talking about statistics and you keep bringing up individual examples. It takes many, in some cases hundreds or thousands, of individual cases to see the pattern very well.

Some statistics are obvious. After observing length of days and nights during a year for few years in Greece (for example) one can conclude that they fluctuate in length on yearly bases, exactly same pattern repeats itself every year. It is impossible to conclude this pattern after only few month observation.

On other hand, it took high IQ and years of hard work, but Nicolaus Copernicus was able, using math and statistics, to prove once and for all that Sun is the center and the Earth and planets go around it. Because the complexity of calculation and system in itself it took few hundred of years for rest of people to understand this. Well, to be honest, few will understand and unfortunately for most of us this in sphere of believes.


In Ethiopea, there was a kind of expirement by an organisation named One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) under supervision of Nicolas Negroponte,
In 2 villages where no teacher exist, none can read or write they drop Laptops,
One kid in 5 minutes manage to open it,
in 5 days a kid could handle 47/1000 aplications and in less than 10 days some children learn English Alphabet
every week they a scientist just replace memory cards to see what kids could do,
that is High IQ,
comparing my daughter that has Greek language teachers English language teachers father mother internet books and maybe tomorrow will earn more money and yet she has troubles knowing her laptop.

about the statistics you mention,
I remeber that Very high IQ peoples of previous centuries like the names I mentioned before did not follow the statistics you mention,

about the Earth as sphere, the problem was in navigation maps,
Eratosthenes with 3 sticks proved that Earth is Curved, no maths, no instruments, (that is high IQ)
Aristotle gave a diplomatic answer, Earth is flat but I can not understand why I see the flag of ship before I see the ship.
yet took milleniums and holy inquisition to accept that Earth is Sphere.

about steve Jobs and bill gates I think you know who had the Big IQ,
in Fact I believe that little more than average is the IQ that is needed to become rich.

LeBrok
02-02-13, 22:24
about the Earth as sphere, the problem was in navigation maps,
Eratosthenes with 3 sticks proved that Earth is Curved, no maths, no instruments, (that is high IQ)
Aristotle gave a diplomatic answer, Earth is flat but I can not understand why I see the flag of ship before I see the ship.
yet took milleniums and holy inquisition to accept that Earth is Sphere.
.

Heliocentric system doesn't have much to do, if at all, with earth being a sphere. Earth being round, and Earth not being a center of our solar system, are two different issues.
Church didn't care for first one and nobody was burned as heretic for saying that earth was round. Some believed it was, some didn't.
The second issue was important however, because it degraded the importance of earth and humans, as a pinnacle of god's creation, therefore belonging in center of universe. People were burned in fire for denying it. Copernicus published his works after his death, Galileo barely survives, Giordano Bruno didn't.


Eratosthenes with 3 sticks proved that Earth is Curved, no maths, no instruments, (that is high IQ)
Wrong, look below, this is just a tip of iceberg of math needed to calculate what he proposed.


Eratosthenes calculated thecircumference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumference) of the Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth) without leaving Egypt. Eratosthenes knew that, on the summer solstice, at local noon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon#Solar_noon) in the Ancient Egyptian city of Swenet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swenet) (known in Greek as Syene, and in the modern day as Aswan) on the Tropic of Cancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer), the sun would appear at the zenith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith), directly overhead (he had been told that the shadow of someone looking down a deep well would block the reflection of the Sun at noon). Using a gnomon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomon), he measured the sun's angle of elevation at noon on the solstice in his hometown of Alexandria, and found it to be 1/50th of a circle (7°12') south of the zenith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith). Assuming that the Earth was spherical (360°), and that Alexandria was due north of Syene, he concluded that themeridian arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_arc) distance from Alexandria to Syene must therefore be 1/50 = 7°12'/360°, and was therefore 1/50 of the total circumference of the Earth. His knowledge of the size of Egypt after many generations ofsurveying (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveying) trips for the Pharaonic bookkeepers gave a distance between the cities of 5,000 stadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadion_(unit_of_length)) (about 500 geographical miles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_mile) or 927.7 km). This distance was corroborated by inquiring about the time that it takes to travel from Syene to Alexandria by camel. He rounded the result to a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is frequently argued. The common Attic stadion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_units_of_measurement#Length)was about 185 m,[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#cite_note-9) which would imply a circumference of 46,620 km, which is off the actual circumference by 16.3%; too large an error to be considered as 'accurate'. However, if we assume that Eratosthenes used the "Egyptian stadion"[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#cite_note-10) of about 157.5 m, his measurement turns out to be 39,690 km, an error of less than 2%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

He used math and statistics to prove that earth was a sphere, period. This is exactly how people of high IQ use tools like math and statistics to prove their hypothesis in many scientific fields.
Yetos, don't sell your countryman Eratosthenes short. He was a great scientists.
If he could prove that earth was a sphere and the size of it just from using "three sticks" and no math, he would be a magician or a prophet, but not a smart scientist.

Yetos
02-02-13, 22:45
Heliocentric system doesn't have much to do, if at all, with earth being a sphere. Earth being round, and Earth not being a center of our solar system, are two different issues.
Church didn't care for first one and nobody was burned as heretic for saying that earth was round. Some believed it was, some didn't.
The second issue was important however, because it degraded the importance of earth and humans, as a pinnacle of god's creation, therefore belonging in center of universe. People were burned in fire for denying it. Copernicus published his works after his death, Galileo barely survives, Giordano Bruno didn't.


Wrong, look below, this is just a tip of iceberg of math needed to calculate what he proposed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

He used math and statistics to prove that earth was a sphere, period. This is exactly how people of high IQ use tools like math and statistics to prove their hypothesis in many scientific fields.
Yetos, don't sell your countryman Eratosthenes short. He was a great scientists.
If he could prove that earth was a sphere and the size of it just from using "three sticks" and no math, he would be a magician or a prophet, but not a smart scientist.

math is a tool of mind,
Gnomon is just ia stick,

he put a vertical stick same time of year same hour in 2 different positions and measure the length of Earth radius aproximately 2% wrong or less according the stadion origin,
the rest are just divisions and multiply,

LeBrok
02-02-13, 22:54
Gnomon is just ia stick,I missed this. Wouldn't you call it a scientific instrument?

divisions and multiply, And what are these, a part of math perhaps?

Yetos
02-02-13, 23:38
I missed this. Wouldn't you call it a scientific instrument?
And what are these, a part of math perhaps?

It depends, after what degree common logic becomes High Math learning,

Anyway my intension is not to compare Copernikos or Eratosthenes,
millenium of knowldge is dividing them, one is before Algebra and high maths and the other is when Europe started to regain clear thinking,

my intension is show that IQ has nothing to do with high Scientific knowledge, neither with how much you earn, but with the ability to understand and use everyday's.
I mean if someone is a doctor does mean he has bgger IQ than another who works another job,
in our days we may learn complicated things with effort and continous repeat, or just buy diplomas if you have a rich uncle :smile:.
but the simple ideas, the usage and understanding of things has to do with IQ.
when you do IQ test they do not ask you the autosomal of Neanderdalis, neither the chemical type of nitro-glycerine or which share will rise its price,

in the above expirement I described the boy who learned English Alphabet from a laptop, with no teacher to guide him imagine what IQ has comparing with others, and much some will envy him if he get the Bravo word.
maybe he pull back himshelf and leave the more stupid to earn money so to be all huppy.

LeBrok
03-02-13, 01:16
It depends, after what degree common logic becomes High Math learning,

Anyway my intension is not to compare Copernikos or Eratosthenes,
millenium of knowldge is dividing them, one is before Algebra and high maths and the other is when Europe started to regain clear thinking,

my intension is show that IQ has nothing to do with high Scientific knowledge, neither with how much you earn, but with the ability to understand and use everyday's.
I mean if someone is a doctor does mean he has bgger IQ than another who works another job,
.
I'm talking statistics and you are staying in realm of anecdotal evidence.


Anyway my intension is not to compare Copernikos or Eratosthenes,
millenium of knowldge is dividing them, one is before Algebra and high maths and the other is when Europe started to regain clear thinking,
The intention was to show how math and statistics work in understanding the world. Regardless how much time divide them they used same scientific tools like math and statistics to show how things really are. Regardless that their contemporaries were against knew knolage and didn't want to believe them. Their knowledge survived and in later years was proven to be the correct one, proven to be the truth.
It should show you that using same tools and techniques we are on the right way to discover and understand inner working of the world with human nature included.

Yetos
03-02-13, 05:42
I'm talking statistics and you are staying in realm of anecdotal evidence.

I do not know where and who made the statistics you claim,

But life of Mozart Bethoven Van Gogh, ( I wonder even about Copernicus cause he was a monk if remember well) and many many the others is just anekdotal stories then no need to discuss more,

Seems like all these had very low IQ, and Ann Nicol Smith has bigger.

sometimes statistics are wrong, cause they focus in a purpose, or in wrong base or or or.

if your statistic claim as global rule that a rich grandson who takes an amount of heritage is smarter than a Mozart, no need
I ALREADY REJECT IT AS WRONG

PS
If I accept the statistics you claim Paris Hilton is smarter than a modern inventor or genious,

LeBrok
03-02-13, 10:36
sometimes statistics are wrong,
No Yetosk, math and statistics are tools, tools cannot be wrong! People are wrong because they don't understand statistics, or they don't know how to use tools, or they make wrong conclusions from readings.

Yetos
03-02-13, 11:08
I agree with termination 'tools',

but I have to say that results are according input,
so if the input before the 'black box' processing are false or not the apropriate for process then result should be false,


Statistics work like a 'black box' machine,

I feed the machine with benzin (data) and machine works and gives a result.

It is for me and you to decide if the data are correct or the result is a global law.

and the statistics you claim say as global law that people who have and earn money have bigger IQ than others then I have to search if describes reality and common logic,

and I ask you,
If a playboy 'bunny' earns more than a guy like Mozart, then following the statistics law has bigger IQ,
if I accept this ok.
But if not, means that the data who enter the black box where not chosen well, or someone with low IQ made a statistic law out of crup data.
Maths are blind like computer, they process what you order them,
if the input are False it will extract FALSE result,
if the result is FALSE then the input are also FALSE.


I am posting a joke about IQ that we use to say when I was student
3 people travel to moon,
they see 3 black sheeps and write their results

A low IQ mathematician say All Sheep in moon are black

a better IQ mathematician say we don't know about the other sheeps we know that only this 3 sheep are black

and a High IQ mathematician say, we only know that the part of the sheeps we look is black, maybe the other side of sheeps is not black

according maths even the 1rst one is statistical correct since 3/3=100%!!!!
as you see even that statistic is correct, but does it focus reality?

I hope with my anecdotal stories to gave another view on the statistics you claim.

so
YES LEBROK SOMETIMES STATISTIC RESULTS ARE WRONG-FALSE according the input data and the purpose they are done, and the field from where the data been extract.


imagine the above mathematicians how surprised they could if the sheep were enough in number to reach Student's Distribution (>27) but out of one flock-herd whose owner likes Black sheeps !!!!! how may statistic result we may extract but possibly all worng.

alibaz
04-02-13, 12:20
No Yetosk, math and statistics are tools, tools cannot be wrong! People are wrong because they don't understand statistics, or they don't know how to use tools, or they make wrong conclusions from readings.

It used to be a statistical fact that if you smoked, you were less likely to die in a plane crash. That was a FACT. The point was, that if you smoked, you sat at the back of the plane, thats why it was true.
Statistics are not facts, they are probabilities. It is the data sample which is a fact. If you look at the wrong data and ask the wrong question you will get misleading results. Also, there is pretty much 50% chance that when you toss a coin it will land heads - but that doesnt mean it will happen like that. It means that if you throw that coin an infinite number of times it will even out to land heads 50% of the time - but the first 50 million throws could be tails!! I hate statistics because people then base everything on something which is not actually a fact - it is a TREND.

Our societies value people who exhibit high scores in test of logic and pattern recognition (IQ), and therefore these people tend to earn more. But not each and every one of them, there are exceptions to every rule. And the converse is not true - a rich person is not necessarily a high IQ scorer. And when our societies run out of food, it will be the farmers, growers and gardeners who will be highly valued and earn the most. Or the landowners, maybe the distributors and the sellers.

LeBrok
04-02-13, 17:52
It used to be a statistical fact that if you smoked, you were less likely to die in a plane crash. That was a FACT. The point was, that if you smoked, you sat at the back of the plane, thats why it was true.
Statistics are not facts, they are probabilities. It is the data sample which is a fact. If you look at the wrong data and ask the wrong question you will get misleading results. Also, there is pretty much 50% chance that when you toss a coin it will land heads - but that doesnt mean it will happen like that. It means that if you throw that coin an infinite number of times it will even out to land heads 50% of the time - but the first 50 million throws could be tails!! I hate statistics because people then base everything on something which is not actually a fact - it is a TREND.

Our societies value people who exhibit high scores in test of logic and pattern recognition (IQ), and therefore these people tend to earn more. But not each and every one of them, there are exceptions to every rule. And the converse is not true - a rich person is not necessarily a high IQ scorer. And when our societies run out of food, it will be the farmers, growers and gardeners who will be highly valued and earn the most. Or the landowners, maybe the distributors and the sellers.
That's roughly how statistics and probabilities work, and how they should be understood. I'm not sure why you are explaining it to me, though? And what this have to do with my citation above your text?

albanopolis
28-04-13, 04:55
I would say Autism. Keep in mind that geniuses are considered "sick" people. Einstein was diagnosed with some forms of Autism. So was Dirac as I know.I am sure Newton was too, even though autism was not known at that time.It could be many more. If one has in mind the Bell curve, the negative 5% of the curve are the idiots (which is a pronounced form of mental sickness) and the positive 5% of the curve are the very smart and geniuses, which is also a good mental sickness The rest of the curve is what we call normal, (90%) of the people. Autistic have the ability to concentrate.

Cambrius (The Red)
01-05-13, 18:30
Some of the most brilliant people suffer form Asberger's syndrome.

Ryan241
27-07-13, 10:14
If there is one thing I've learned throughout my 18 years of life is that there is no way to accurately describe a highly intelligent person without sounding mad. The whole concept of describing someone with a high IQ is quite similar to describing an alien sighting, the thought of it is extraordinary (above the ordinary) making it very, very difficult for the average person to understand nonetheless ACCEPT. No point in trying to tell someone you're intelligent, or even show it. Let's face it, if you have a high IQ, you find things in general quite boring and ridiculously easy. That within itself, is freakish to ordinary people due to the fact they can't produce it, making you the out liar. All in all, I believe the best way for someone of high IQ to live is either away from the people, or find someone whom is on the same level as you.

Let's take a look at Lao Tzu. Incredibly intelligent, well versed, and extraordinarily wise. Towards the end of his life, he decides to go off and live by himself. Why? Simple. At a certain point, you come to the realization that your level of thought is too different than those whom are around you. Fortunately, a strong mind comes with incredible independence. Sort of like a creator looking back at his/her creations. You have stopped playing the game, you are no longer interested in the playing the game, you just want to sit back and watch.

Cambrius (The Red)
05-08-13, 04:02
Some people of genius are ticking time bombs. Brilliance can, in certain instances, have great emotional drawbacks.

socialcatalyst
18-09-13, 20:08
can you post your email address spelled out?

manal
23-04-14, 05:22
well//iq tests are meant as guides..they wont get you a job...for those who need intellectual discussions i suggest proz & translators cafe debates on language seem very inspiring...for a profession well must actually try to work..i opted for teaching for a while felt bored and thought of translation...as for bosses true they get on nerves but in due time and with patience one may get to sort of understanding between oneself and an overdemanding or silly boss...there is a fluid intellegence as they say in some psychological books one that has to do with adapting..that is..maturing and accepting the world as it is..i had hard time in so doing but if one did it things will start falling in suitable places..i spent hard time too conforming to the idea that not all people liked what i did-let alone the phrase ( what does transltors do really.they steal others words and thoughts..so i guess by patience and trying several things till you settl eis the only way.teher are jobs out there but waiting for you to discover..some people are good at dealing with kids..so they are or seem like born tutors othera re very giften in public relations..(( one of my colleges was) without even having a university degree..so i agree to with EQ..intellgent people may find difficulty in dealing woth others..as they prefer reading self development may be to social sympathy and dealing with others...one way is to opt for some indivual activities may be transltion or volunteering for a while..to know what you trully like..it may seem hard at first..and taking art courese or creative writing courses meanwhile..if not..( needle work..all this will increase self confidence...and in turn find somethig to talk about-hopefu;;;y

manal
23-04-14, 05:29
i like the phrase ticking bomb..Sylvia plathe called it "bell jar"was haunted for ever by the specter of depression...some autistic children are very genius in certain way..yet social contact seems so...well in ways undeveloped, which leads to misery..yet., if encouraged to be of use to others.the talent may be a gift..(i don't know how to classify my self..but my former depression led me to translate articles on depression..so i guess there is a reason for every thing out there..you may know later..but..true precocity in kids make them suffer so, and likewise highly intelligent adults...some use it positively( be a computer scientist or something others..no..)

Engel
23-04-14, 07:07
Have any studies been made co relating specific genetics and IQ. Anyone?

dani benitez
23-04-14, 19:37
Cool Sci-Fi story, bro!

The Q
03-08-14, 00:15
I am completely with you guys! I relate to every point also, especially the masculinity part which surprised me very much. I have an IQ of 158 or more, so I always found it strange that a hard-ass like me enjoyed the intellectual debates in university and was a member of the Collegebowl team, which was mostly nerds. MY aggression always gave me the intellectual firepower they lacked. I have always been the super-aggressive guy in martial arts and armed combat that needed almost no practice to rise to the top, and who could teach others to excel also. Here is the weird thing... I LOVE humanity! I hate guns, and I am working to help our country be more disaster prepared, along with designing survival equipment. These qualities are usually mutually exclusive and its made me feel strange all my life, but I've learned that the smartest people are often that way.

The Q
03-08-14, 00:53
I have noticed the same thing. High IQ societies have noticed that people with well-paid but highly specialised jobs, like lawyers, doctors, computer scientists, etc. usually have above-average IQ, but rarely beyond what is considered exceptionally gifted (over 135). Their IQ is more likely to be between 110 and 130.



I think it is an excellent reason not to trust a "scientist's opinion" about a field that is not strictly their speciality. It always makes me laugh when people quote a physicist about a philosophical matter and say "see, this guy is intelligent and he believes in god !". :blush:

The philosophical spirit (i.e. thirst for knowledge and understanding in every field) is probably the most characteristic of exceptionally gifted people.




Personally I see two main reasons :

1) boredom : exceptionally gifted people being in general well versed many subjects, and often find more mundane conversation boring. Even when talking about more specialised topics, the exceptionally gifted might already know more than almost anybody else he meets, if he has taken some time to learn about that particular topic at one point in his life. In general, as knowledge accumulates with time, (specialised) conversation will become more and more difficult with ordinary people. When meeting other people becomes less exciting, or downright boring, why spend time and energy with them ? Of course there is always a need for having fun in a non intellectual way (but that is usually possible only with friends, not strangers).

2) anxiety : it is one characteristic of people with higher IQ to be more (intellectually) sensitive. It is this heightened perception of the world that leads to strong, passionate interest in so many fields. You could say that high IQ people are like supertasters, that find great sensory satisfaction even in the plainest foods - except that in the case of gifted people it is for rational matters, not taste. This usually translates as being also more anxious or nervous (especially for younger people), which affects face-to-face socialising in a negative way. The Internet is a blessing for such people.

Thank you for expressing so clearly why a scientist or psychologist may not be qualified to speak of spiritual things.
Frankly, to me the issue is simple, we know less than 1% of what is out there in the universe... admittedly. How, then, can a person with less than 1% of knowledge concerning the universe, be qualified to make a statement about the existence, or non-existence of God? To use the reasoning of a 2-year-old... what if God's hiding behind the moon?
The point is that no one has anything more than an imperfect understanding of things, and therefore NOONE is qualified to say that God does or does not exist. I have a verified genius IQ score and I believe in God. I think there is more than enough evidence to support my beliefs. Most historical geniuses did in some form or another.
I would even argue that Jesus of Nazareth was the most brilliant man who ever lived, based on the success of His ideology. No other person has ever had enough intelligence to affect history more than that Man.
If anyone can think of another person who has thought up an ideology that has had a bigger impact on earth please do tell.

LeBrok
03-08-14, 03:37
Thank you for expressing so clearly why a scientist or psychologist may not be qualified to speak of spiritual things.
Frankly, to me the issue is simple, we know less than 1% of what is out there in the universe... admittedly. How, then, can a person with less than 1% of knowledge concerning the universe, be qualified to make a statement about the existence, or non-existence of God? To use the reasoning of a 2-year-old... what if God's hiding behind the moon?
The point is that no one has anything more than an imperfect understanding of things, and therefore NOONE is qualified to say that God does or does not exist. I have a verified genius IQ score and I believe in God. I think there is more than enough evidence to support my beliefs. Most historical geniuses did in some form or another.
I would even argue that Jesus of Nazareth was the most brilliant man who ever lived, based on the success of His ideology. No other person has ever had enough intelligence to affect history more than that Man.
If anyone can think of another person who has thought up an ideology that has had a bigger impact on earth please do tell.

I don't know the name of the guy, but whoever invented god and religion in first place had a bigger impact on humanity than Jesus (who only created new trend).
What about a guy who invented Democracy or music?

Your high IQ should be able to tell you that because one believes in something it doesn't make it real. The only "evidence" of god/gods existence is in minds of people. World doesn't need god or religions to function, just laws of physics.
Interesting thing is that Natural Selection can explain existence of spirituality in people (believe in god), but religions (doctrines of god) can't explain existence Natural Selection.

Aberdeen
03-08-14, 16:53
Thank you for expressing so clearly why a scientist or psychologist may not be qualified to speak of spiritual things.
Frankly, to me the issue is simple, we know less than 1% of what is out there in the universe... admittedly. How, then, can a person with less than 1% of knowledge concerning the universe, be qualified to make a statement about the existence, or non-existence of God? To use the reasoning of a 2-year-old... what if God's hiding behind the moon?
The point is that no one has anything more than an imperfect understanding of things, and therefore NOONE is qualified to say that God does or does not exist. I have a verified genius IQ score and I believe in God. I think there is more than enough evidence to support my beliefs. Most historical geniuses did in some form or another.
I would even argue that Jesus of Nazareth was the most brilliant man who ever lived, based on the success of His ideology. No other person has ever had enough intelligence to affect history more than that Man.
If anyone can think of another person who has thought up an ideology that has had a bigger impact on earth please do tell.

I would say that the most brilliant fictional character ever created was not jesus but The Joker in the Batman Comics. However, character flaws and a tragic past resulted in The Joker wasting his potential by becoming a villain. So it takes more than intelligence to become truly great.

The success of christianity was based partly on the large size of the Roman empire when christianity first began to spread, but perhaps a more important factor was the ways in which Emperor Constantine changed christianity. He turned christianity into a religion that taught people to accept authority and obey their rulers, which made christianity popular with emperors and kings, who often forced it on their people as a way of centralizing power. Constantine also made the Persian concept of dualism (good versus evil) central to christianity, and added the seven sacraments used by the Cult of Mithras, which appealed to the need people seem to have to ritualize their religious experiences.

LeBrok
03-08-14, 19:14
The success of christianity was based partly on the large size of the Roman empire when christianity first began to spread, but perhaps a more important factor was the ways in which Emperor Constantine changed christianity. He turned christianity into a religion that taught people to accept authority and obey their rulers, which made christianity popular with emperors and kings, who often forced it on their people as a way of centralizing power.
Good point. If Christianity didn't become ideology in support of monarchs and ruling class in general it wouldn't be so widespread and dominant in Europe. It promoted acceptance of servitude and faith/destiny of lower classes and consolidated power of elites as as given to them by god.
Surely Jesus was religious revolutionary who emphasized salvation by love and doing humanitarian deeds, but ideologically he fell in such important issues like anti slavery movement, equality for women or simple social justice. His main idea was to accept any misery on Earth for nice reward in heaven. It gave people hope and spiritual lift, and it turned to be a very catchy and powerful tool for this new religion. Unfortunately for Christianity, this message is resonating much less in today's Western World, where life is very good and full of pleasure. We are very close to creating heaven on Earth. Just can't wait for my first robot and immortality pill :)

AgnusDei
04-08-14, 00:15
I don't know the name of the guy, but whoever invented god and religion in first place had a bigger impact on humanity than Jesus (who only created new trend).
What about a guy who invented Democracy or music?

Your high IQ should be able to tell you that because one believes in something it doesn't make it real. The only "evidence" of god/gods existence is in minds of people. World doesn't need god or religions to function, just laws of physics.
Interesting thing is that Natural Selection can explain existence of spirituality in people (believe in god), but religions (doctrines of god) can't explain existence Natural Selection.
He is obviously very young just read his comment about his love for humanity.

SuperStalin
04-08-14, 14:09
So, what's the most common haplogroup among MENSA members ?

ebAmerican
04-08-14, 18:11
I believe the UK and Bulgaria have the highest rate of Mensa IQ test scores. If I remember correctly it (IQ) was associated with the mtDNA and not with the fathers yDNA. The most common mtDNA in both countries is H. Ireland is dominated by mtDNA H and it's a leader in Mensa scores in the UK. It also could be mtDNA U. I don't know how prevalent MENSA is in Asian countries so the results could be bias towards Europeans.

SuperStalin
05-08-14, 00:10
Maybe we could make a database of people who visit here, have their hg's tested, and are Mensa members.

I'm a member. I don't care much about IQ, but it could be interesting to know.
Paternally I'm E1b-V13 ( father from Montenegro ), and I haven't tested my mtDNA, but my mother is probably H ( her father was a Serb - Jewish mix, and mother was Serbian / Bulgarian )

LeBrok
05-08-14, 02:27
Maybe we could make a database of people who visit here, have their hg's tested, and are Mensa members.

I'm a member. I don't care much about IQ, but it could be interesting to know.
Paternally I'm E1b-V13 ( father from Montenegro ), and I haven't tested my mtDNA, but my mother is probably H ( her father was a Serb - Jewish mix, and mother was Serbian / Bulgarian )
You are not going to achieve a valid statistics this way, because there is no known causation between IQ and paternal Y chromosome. If there is a week causation, that we don't know of, you would need thousands upon thousands of samples to start showing something. So most likely what you will receive is statistical correlation between most common haplogroup and highest number of smart people. For example, if you tested Spaniards you will learn that 70% of smartest people belong to R1b, same as percentage of R1b or entire Spanish population.

SuperStalin
05-08-14, 13:57
As I said, nothing too scientific, just for fun sake.

LeBrok
05-08-14, 17:02
As I said, nothing too scientific, just for fun sake.
Sorry, I didn't know it would be fun for some people. ;)

sunishtha
15-08-14, 21:22
It was like you were describing me. I have all of those character traits you mentioned. :)

Goomyo
09-10-14, 19:16
Hi, I signed up to write a quick post. I'm not here to boast about my IQ, I just wanted to present you with something I've noticed over my time through school and college (I'm 18 from the UK).
The OP pretty much hit the nail on the head with my personal traits, but there is one more thing that I've come to recognise about myself (I'm hoping someone shares this trait).
In school, I find exams ridiculously easy compared to other students. I can usually pass exams with the top grade with very little effort; usually I'll just read through the textbook a few nights before an exam.
Because of this, I went a few years feeling as if I must have some sort of superior memory and it wasn't just simply intelligence.

Here is where it gets interesting I guess...
I've noticed that I find it easy to remember something that I WANT to remember such as a fact/quote/stat.
However, when it comes to other things, my memory is actually quite appalling. I forget little things on a daily basis and it's not the usual things that everyone forgets. Often, I will have situations where I will have something in my hand, and suddenly it has disappeared and I have no recollection of placing it anywhere. I forget events, I'm always late to classes and meetings and if I'm told to "remember to do ____" 9 times out of 10 I will completely forget they've told me anything.

It's frustrating, I feel like I am the complete opposite of a 'normal' person when it comes to memory. Of course it's nice to be able to remember facts for exams and general knowledge but it's not very helpful in the real world where I'll need to be independent as I really can't rely on myself to do things.

Just thought I'd share, it would be nice to know there are others in the same boat.

Atif Ahmed
13-10-14, 10:05
Hi, I signed up to write a quick post. I'm not here to boast about my IQ, I just wanted to present you with something I've noticed over my time through school and college (I'm 18 from the UK).
The OP pretty much hit the nail on the head with my personal traits, but there is one more thing that I've come to recognise about myself (I'm hoping someone shares this trait).
In school, I find exams ridiculously easy compared to other students. I can usually pass exams with the top grade with very little effort; usually I'll just read through the textbook a few nights before an exam.
Because of this, I went a few years feeling as if I must have some sort of superior memory and it wasn't just simply intelligence.

Here is where it gets interesting I guess...
I've noticed that I find it easy to remember something that I WANT to remember such as a fact/quote/stat.
However, when it comes to other things, my memory is actually quite appalling. I forget little things on a daily basis and it's not the usual things that everyone forgets. Often, I will have situations where I will have something in my hand, and suddenly it has disappeared and I have no recollection of placing it anywhere. I forget events, I'm always late to classes and meetings and if I'm told to "remember to do ____" 9 times out of 10 I will completely forget they've told me anything.

It's frustrating, I feel like I am the complete opposite of a 'normal' person when it comes to memory. Of course it's nice to be able to remember facts for exams and general knowledge but it's not very helpful in the real world where I'll need to be independent as I really can't rely on myself to do things.

Just thought I'd share, it would be nice to know there are others in the same boat.

Same here XD.....just shows that ur mind is elsewhere, i can relate to all of the points mentioned in this post + i've been extraordinarily good at sports and atheletics(even the ones i try for the first time) actually most of the things\m/ (oh yeah i'm gonna brag xD, its not everywhere that u find people who can actually understand and comprehend what ur saying!! ryt?? :P xD....that is frailty of genius, it needs an audience.....and yeah, that is copied from the sherlock series....but it is the truth...at least until ur mature enough or maybe not....either way....i'm 21 which is not too old enough to be wise enough xD..atleast not for me haha...:P...)

And as ‘is' said, i agree that its quite frustrating growing up among ‘others'(u know wat i mean :P)....like everyone else i had real tough times(mostly on psychological side and a lot bcuz of carelessness in my upbringing......real bad regrets(as they always are :/...) But one thing i've learned for sure is BE PATIENT (ppl with higher iq's definitely lack patience though its subjective......as in learning to suffer fools gladly). We ppl might not have problem solving a math or science quiz but being smart has its cons too(and they are severe).Like social withdrawal, being unattentive, fantasizing/daydreaming, being judgemental(not sure if that's a word XD), being nit-picky about every single detail and tons of other probs(almost all of em related to emotions and behaviour)

But wen ur past these things,its just so amazing out there is not what i'm gonna say(too cheezy for me XD..). Still with every passing year i feel like i'm so much happier and wiser(or maybe i'm too high ryt now XD....just kidding i don't do drugs except for some cigerettes :P...)

So obviously with all these extraordinary capabilities we feel obliged to work for the betterment of humanity :P...^_^……...haha

OMG!! that wuz so abrupt and pointless !! o_O...XD....thanks for reading :P .....wish u guyz gud luck

arvistro
17-10-14, 21:37
As I was explained it was called having great focus skills. One is able to focus on something so as to forget all other unimportant things.
I enjoy this as part of me, and I have wife at home and my team at work to deal with these shortcomings. I hope they get something in return, at least I try to make them happy...

Man is not supposed to be a lonely animal. We are social, and we cooperate.

ludvighoel
19-12-15, 20:52
I also wonder on this one

ludvighoel
19-12-15, 20:52
HJow do you become a member?

ludvighoel
19-12-15, 20:53
What you mean?

LeBrok
19-12-15, 21:21
What you mean?Welcome to Eupedia ludvighoel. Please use Reply with Quote button in response to others. Otherwise it is hard to guess who you are talking to. It is in lower right corner of each post.
It might not display before you get to ten posts, so I heard.

RobertColumbia
30-12-15, 03:51
HJow do you become a member?

Generally, you have to take a formally administered test and score above a specific level. The Mensa homepage has plenty of information on this, including what exams are accepted and what the minimum required score is for each. You only have to pass one exam.

Claymore2
03-04-16, 20:59
This is a slightly old post, but why not dive right in.

Define your definition of "high intelligence". I have seen numerous well educated, and "intelligent", people drive vehicles with less skill than a one-armed half blinded chimp.


I have always looked at it this way - intelligence is your ability to comprehend. Not your book smarts.


Let's keep with driving for an example; let's say you can't parallel park without taking the rear & front fenders off, hitting the curb, or likewise doing something non-correct in your attempt. Now, despite all your fancy degrees, you're really not that intelligent because you can't comprehend turning the stirring wheel one way, turns the vehicle the other way. Similarly, tailgaters, speeders, etc., etc., etc. all show limited intelligence because they can't comprehend setting the alarm 30 minutes earlier will keep you from been late somewhere. Another example, I had one colleague with a PhD at an environmental lab and he continually whined about how he was checking in with seconds to spare because he kept getting caught at the train tracks that bisected the town. If he was really intelligent he'd have long since realized the train has a well-established schedule [something I realized within the first week] and plan his drive properly.

If you're going to turn around and say chimps can't drive - sorry, one of the major "attractions" at one point were indeed chimps driving at circuses, go-karts but they still have wheels & an engine of sorts. You are instead "smart" - the same way animals are considered smart after they learn through repetition. And what is education but the pounding of the same stuff over & over into your skull until you can recite it in your sleep.



Now let me pull this original piece apart a little.

I know a number of very intelligent individuals:
1) a close friend who is a Mensa member, his PhD completed by 27.
2) My father completed his Bachelors and his Masters within half the standard time. He had his Bachelors, in psychology, done within just 2 years due to overload of courses [and he was an honours student].
3) My 2nd cousin is considered something of a genius in his field as well as being capable of speaking seven different languages fluently by age 28. He’s in the art field by the way, given your last comment.
4) Another close friend, likewise Mensa member.




We have seen in this thread that IQ is strongly hereditary, that children with highly educated parents also tended to have higher IQ's, and especially that male hormones significantly increased IQ (because IQ only testes typically male reasoning skills, like logic and spatial skills). We saw that the higher the IQ, the bigger the gap in numbers between men and women.

Because IQ is so intricately linked to male hormones, it is normal to see a correlation between very high IQ and masculine social behaviour.

The higher the IQ, the higher the sense of individuality and the independence of mind. Exceptionally gifted people care (much) less about what other people think of them, and are less sensitive to praise, and even less to flattery.

Let’s clarify something here. Higher IQ is, potentially, linked with HIGH testosterone. Nothing else. As there are numerous factors that can influence testosterone – including genetically inherited problems – this “find” is ultimately irrelevant. Not to mention the backlash of having HIGH testosterone would probably handicap any benefit to so called “high” IQ.

By the way, IQ tests are widely considered useless nowadays. Only the spatial test is considered legit for intelligence testing; the written / math part is merely how well you can recount information and not true intelligence.


Because they care less about the opinion and esteem of others, they tend to be less socially oriented, but also feel less easily lonely. Maybe it is because they have a very heightened sense of the "self".

This would be correct of truly intelligent people and not merely book smart people. I am truly intelligent as I can comprehend information within seconds of receiving it. Like dad I have never had an accident in my life while driving [he is likewise truly intelligent and has never had an accident in 50 years driving all around the world].

I am also considered gifted in the artistic field and also with technology as I learn with startlingly ease and alarming speed. I work in a very diverse field that requires considerable focus, multitasking skill, time management, and team work knowledge.



They feel pressed to tell openly what they think to others, especially when they hear something that conflicts with their reasoning or knowledge. They value more truth, facts and logic than friendship or emotional relations.

Gifted people therefore only care about social conventions they agree with, and (harshly) criticise the others. They live in an inner world where anything that is not rational is wrong and should be changed. It is unconceivable to them to bask in mediocrity. They are born perfectionists (for what they care about).

Their disregard for conventions, combined with vivid, creative and independent mind, often make them coin new words (often just for fun, to see the reaction of those who care about conventions), or use rare words (not by pedantry at all, but just because they like them better). In other words, they recreate the conventions for themselves.


Hardly. I suppose your mother never told you of arrogance? Someone who is truly intelligent knows that one is only as intelligent as their knowledge. If you limit your knowledge base with an attitude of “I am mightier than you” or my belief “is better than you” you learn nothing new and will, when someone better comes along, be much like a fish out of water trying to compensate.

I mentioned I am regarded as something of a gifted individual correct? I had two university degrees completed by the time I was 20, one honours and the other just below honours standing. Completely unrelated fields by the way so it wasn’t as if I could transfer half the credits/courses into the second degree afterwards.

I never took a Mensa test, though the government / military (when I was 17) evaluated my IQ as 149, because simply put I couldn’t careless. What am I going to do – flag down the taxi driver and scream at him get me to JKF Airport ASAP as I’m a Mensa member.

Now I love getting “down” and “dirty” with the “lesser intelligent” people, or the not so gifted, individuals I work with. Would you like to know how many times I’ve made some newbie jump out of their skin after responding to someone higher in the totem pole [e.g. employer] calling my name? I scare the “crap” out of these “not so gifted” because they think me just another “grunt”.

But guess what your arrogance will keep you from ever learning techniques and knowledge these “lesser” people have through their own hands-on experience and which you will be hard pressed to learn in school.

As for the last bit, yes it is very intelligent to use a word no one but you would understand. I wonder how many “intelligent” people have to tell the grunts something twenty times using high tech / rare words before it gets through to the “intelligent” person to dumb down the conversation.



Typical high-IQ people are constantly thinking about something, worried about a problem, thinking about solutions... So they end up having little time and energy left, and little motivation, for ordinary chit-chat. Because they are constantly "navigating in their thoughts", they tend to be more forgetful of trivial things ("damn, I forgot to remove the clothes from the washing machine last night !").

Ask a truly intelligent person – we’ll call our brains compartmentalized, which they are. Important, somewhat important, irrelevant. However, some of us truly intelligent people can train our brains to pull up that trivial information before leaving the house. Some less “intelligent” put checklists on the fridge; we can put checklists in our brains – it is part of that needed above-average focus of intelligent people.

I said I work in a field that requires considerable focus. I can still recall the license plate number & the truck color of the transport that went sailing off the ledge of one of the roads that cut through the Rocky Mountains, brakes overheated, nearly 18 years later. I can draw you to an extremely accurate blueprint, as long as there are no changes, of sites I worked at up to 12 years ago. To the whole of my life, that information is as irrelevant as having stubbed my toe last year.

And no I don’t have a photographic memory. I am horrible at remembering names, which to me is irrelevant. Simply put I don’t care if I work with people that have the same name (I have worked with five women each a variation on the name Rose) or call themselves CoffeeStain … what is relevant is what is their task and how can I apply their skill. But I can remember people’s faces years later and place them where I worked with them.



Their strong independence of mind and deep intellectualisation of things results in exceptionally gifted people having stronger individual interests than average ("passions" for some topics or activities). Once they get into something, they want to know everything about it (which can make them look like geeks or freaks to ordinary folk).

High IQ correlates strongly with exceptional concentration abilities. The problem is that it makes such people quite stubborn until they know or understand what they wanted. Such children are known for always asking "why" questions, and never give up until they get a satisfactory answer.

Yes, I have exceptional concentration abilities, however, when I didn’t get a satisfactory answer, I figured it out myself. It was something dad taught us because guess what – people lie, facts lie, etc. Unless you see something, learn something or experience something with your own eyes, your own hands, and your own mind you are getting nothing more than 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. hand information.

One reason when I am researching anything – as I do write books in my science field – I have so much reference material I could be lost in a sea of paper. Truly intelligent people NEVERtake anything at face value, rather, they ALWAYS look for what is beyond the written word, the image, the hype.

Now I tore about and rebuilt my first computer out of spare parts when I was 15 years old; that would be the only time I have ever actively followed anything resembling an instruction manual.




One thing that normally irritates people with high IQ is asking them to explain something (complex), then stop listening in the middle of their explanations. Exceptionally gifted people just can't understand why one would ask a question and not care about the answer, when they visibly do not understand that topic.

I love teaching people things. If someone asks me to clarify something I have never stuck my nose in the air and said go bug Boris, I’m busy. This is a trait I picked up from my cousin who is the LEAD researcher in MAJOR neurological research and has been for 12 years. He has his own team at his beck & call.

If someone is getting “bored” during your explanation, it means you really got to step down a peg and try again. My professor was a genius from India, absolutely brilliant man – could do advanced calculus, trigonometry and algebra of 7 lines in his head. If someone didn’t get it then he started all over again, because as he said a truly intelligent person is someone that EVERYONE in the room can understand.



At school, exceptionally gifted children are easily bored by lessons, because they understand before everyone else and get irritated when the teacher has to repeat for slower people. If it is a subject they are particularily interested in, they usually have learned everything by themselves before, which can create conflicts with the teacher, as gifted children do not mind correcting the teacher's slightest mistake in front of the whole class (that's their way of showing that they shouldn't be sitting in that class in a humiliating position of inferiority - well, you know how wild and vain kids can be !).

Again arrogance.

I tutored those “slower” kids because yes I already knew the information.

However, again, it comes down to the true indicator of intelligence – comprehension. What are you gaining by been arrogant [rude] or simply put a bear-sized pain in the arse of the teacher who is merely doing as best as they can … assisting that teacher will get you through that class faster, easier and with less interruptions.




On the whole, exceptionally gifted people tend to be hyperactive, eat a lot and sleep a lot (because the brain uses so much energy), or on the contrary eat and sleep very little (these are exceptions, like Napoleon, probably due to a different metabolism).

A category for both? How about active intelligent people?

I have gone 72 hours with barely a cat’s nap worth of sleep at times due to time crunches – such as when the employer decided it was a “fantastic” idea to change his ideas / request halfway through the project.

I would be more the exception like Napoleon a supposed different metabolism. More it came down to the simple fact – too busy to stuff face with food and as the brain is indeed always working for those truly intelligent it makes sleep very difficult. However, he was, by the way well known to suffer stomach issues and be insomniac so he was not an alien child with an alien metabolism.


At work, they have difficulty understanding why other people can't do as much as they do in the same amount of time, or don't do things as well as they should. They are usually unsatisfied by others, demanding, strict, and feel like they have to do things by themselves if they want them to be done properly...

You have problems understanding why people take more time? Really? The supposedly “less intelligent” person is oftentimes very unorganized and lacks focus; it really is, eight out of ten times, that simple.

That last bit about wanting to do it yourself – again overhype of “rare words” to seem “intelligent” thus breaking down the communication between the “intelligent” person and the not so “intelligent” person. If the people are not following your directions properly it isn’t because they’re stupid – it is oftentimes because your directions leave much to be desired.

Again indicator of true intelligence – comprehension. If you can’t comprehend that your colleagues are misunderstanding what you are saying, well, just how is one really “intelligent”.



High-IQ people are very individualistic, but they usually strive for the common good (as well as their own interests). Their passion for things, their sense of logic, and their desire for perpetual improvement, make of them good politicians and philosophers. On the other hand, they usually dislike routine jobs, with predefinied tasks and little space for creativity and a sense of intellectual challenge.

Given their individualism, they rarely bear the authority of other people, and are therefore more often self-made people, free-thinkers and entrepreneurs, rather than conventional academics or professionals employed by a company.

Never heard of a hobby by chance? Most truly intelligent people get hobbies because it does keep their mind active instead of going stagnant.

I mentioned the guy from India, who was a Professor, he could wipe the floor without breaking a sweat with most of those “highly intelligent” people you mentioned. He was a photographer by the way, that was his hobby.

In fact, he did once, by crushing the “life” out of a racist with his responses. The “intelligent” racist, a local businessman by the way who had done well for himself, thought because he had a multitude of degrees he actually had something worth saying. That Professor from India, with the dull mundane job, got a standing ovation when he was done from everyone in City Hall. If he hadn't owned businesses in the city I am quite sure we'd never have seen "intelligent" businessman again - just hanging his head.



Having a high IQ has little influence on most of the arts, as IQ only testes rational, logic and spatial skills. It may help for sculpture (spatial skills), or classsical music (rational and spatial).

I’d like to see an “intelligent” businessman do some of the jaw-dropping art that can be found around the world.

High IQ has nothing to do with art, you better believe it because the IQ test is irrelevant to the testing of TRUE intelligence. Everyone has known since last year, if not earlier even for it was rumbling around the science field in 2012, that standard IQ tests are utterly worthless for testing TRUE intelligence.

IQ tests – except for spatial – tests how well you can recount information. How good your education was, how well you can memorize information… and nothing resembling real intelligence.

I work in the artistic field, technology too. I said, above, my second degree was in a completely unrelated field - biochemistry. Intelligence has "nothing" to do with art, uh-huh; if anything artists are above average intelligence because their brains are constantly working differently than average joe mundane jobber.

A good artist can turn anything into a masterpiece because our brains are ALWAYS working, always testing new ideas, always looking at things from a different angle. A book smart "intelligent" person needs to consult a few books before he even tries.


Sorry, mean no insult, but for a post about "High IQ" there doesn't seem to be a single cent of knowledge that the IQ tests are deemed widely invalid.

LeBrok
04-04-16, 06:34
@Claymore2. Keep in mind that people with extremely good memory can learn anything and pass almost any test. They might have great jobs, good positions, etc, but they might not be truly intelligent people. They might seem intelligent, but they are really not. To be totally honest, memory is a big part of intelligence, but what I mean is that super memory can help and make some people well function in complicated environment and do complicated jobs. Even though they are lacking true intelligence; critical thinking, pattern recognition and cognitive creativity.

Maciamo
05-04-16, 10:01
Define your definition of "high intelligence".

For a start I would avoid this kind of redundant verb-object combination. Did you mean simply: "define intelligence" ?

There are many types of intelligence: logic, mathematical, analytical, critical, organizational, spatio-visual, linguistic, musical, social (e.g. understanding the way people interact), psychological (e.g. understanding how the human mind works and why people act the way they do), philosophical, and so on. These can be further differentiated. Some people are great orators, but poor writers. Others uses their mother tongue sublimely but are terrible at learning foreign languages. Others still have a perfect command of grammar, but can't imitate accents, or vice versa.

Athletic abilities are a subtype of visuospatial abilities, but obviously not the same as the one that makes you understand geometry, which is also different from the one you use to play video games, or to draw a world map from memory, or to park your car.

Intelligence is one person's average 'score' for all categories of the human intellect. Definitions always miss something. Just make the total of a person's capabilities and you get an idea of their intelligence. Of course there is no way to reliably measure that at present (or it would be really tedious and time-consuming).


I have seen numerous well educated, and "intelligent", people drive vehicles with less skill than a one-armed half blinded chimp.

Then you have met some kinds of savants with only one part of their brain functioning properly, maybe due to an brain injury. Truly intelligent people are good at everything (at least if they practice a bit, as the brain atrophies without practice). For example my visuospatial IQ is about 165 and I can parallel park my car between two cars in reverse on my first try without looking backward and faster than most people. I just feel the car moving into position inside my mind. But it didn't come without a few months of practice when I first started driving a car. IQ gives you potential. IQ alone is meaningless without developing skills.


I have always looked at it this way - intelligence is your ability to comprehend. Not your book smarts.

Too restrictive definition. A good science writer is not necessarily someone who understand science the most deeply, and vice versa. A great painter or musician is not necessarily a great art critic or art historian. Performing uses a different part of the brain from understanding.



I know a number of very intelligent individuals:
1) a close friend who is a Mensa member, his PhD completed by 27.
2) My father completed his Bachelors and his Masters within half the standard time. He had his Bachelors, in psychology, done within just 2 years due to overload of courses [and he was an honours student].
3) My 2nd cousin is considered something of a genius in his field as well as being capable of speaking seven different languages fluently by age 28. He’s in the art field by the way, given your last comment.
4) Another close friend, likewise Mensa member.

Academic performance does not correlate as much to very high IQ as to having a good memory and being able to know what is expected of you. Statistically people with Masters and PhD are more likely to have moderately high IQ (between 115 and 135). Truly gifted individuals may not see the value of being tested by people who know much less than them and can't think as clearly. It also depends what one is studying. Having an exceptionally high mathematical/logic and spatio-visual IQ won't help you much to study foreign languages if your verbal IQ is low. Likewise being extremely articulate and picking up languages easily is not going to get you a PhD in physics. I am not sure how common it is to have a very big gap in non-verbal and verbal IQ though. There are genes that influence the whole brain plasticity and should therefore increase all types of intelligence. But some genes do grant special abilities in one field too.

Mensa accepts the top 2% of the population, which is an awful lot of people. For profoundly gifted individuals, the IQ gap with someone who barely made it to Mensa can be greater than between the latter and an average person (IQ of 100). In other terms, the bottom Mensan with an IQ of 132 is 22 IQ points away from an average intelligence (range 90 to 110), but 38 points away from someone with an IQ of 170.

The Mensa test is based on crystallised non-verbal intelligence, which tests mostly mathematical, logic and spatio-visual skills, and to some extent low-grade analytical skills. It does not test critical thinking (such as judging the value and merits of the test), linguistic or artistic skills, social, psychological or philosophical intelligence, nor creative potential.

It is not surprising that some people with extremely high IQ can still believe in god, because a high IQ does not mean that the person possesses a strong critical sense, an independent personality (easily free of social influence, peer pressure, culture and traditions), or a high psychological and philosophical intelligence (required to understand that religions are man-made and gods modelled on the human mind).

Another problem with IQ tests, not only Mensa's but any IQ test, is that even in the categories they do test, they only assess comprehension, not performance or creativity. Someone who gets a high score at a verbal IQ test, for example, is someone with a good understanding of language, but that doesn't mean that he or she would make a good writer, a good orator, a good stand-up comedian, or even a good communicator. All these require a lot of practice and other skills that are much harder to test. Same for non-verbal IQ.



Let’s clarify something here. Higher IQ is, potentially, linked with HIGH testosterone. Nothing else. As there are numerous factors that can influence testosterone – including genetically inherited problems – this “find” is ultimately irrelevant. Not to mention the backlash of having HIGH testosterone would probably handicap any benefit to so called “high” IQ.

Testosterone only shapes the brain development in the womb, and actually only during one specific period of pregnancy. Boys and girls both have low testosterone before puberty. When boys start producing testosterone at puberty, it will affect their body and sexual behaviour, but it won't change their neural pathways the way testosterone did when they were foetuses. That's too late. Anyway testosterone in the womb will only increase male types of intelligence, like spatio-visual, logic and analytical skills, but not female ones relating to empathy, communication, social skills, etc.

wellshii
29-06-16, 23:09
Then you have met some kinds of savants with only one part of their brain functioning properly, maybe due to an brain injury. Truly intelligent people are good at everything (at least if they practice a bit, as the brain atrophies without practice). For example my visuospatial IQ is about 165 and I can parallel park my car between two cars in reverse on my first try without looking backward and faster than most people. I just feel the cat moving into position inside my mind. But it didn't come without a few months of practice when I first started driving a car. IQ gives you potential. IQ alone is meaningless without developing skills.

I agree with this. There is a balance where intelligence is displayed. Being able to drive well,cook etc,etc . There are some oddballs though,where they excel at one task such as math ,but are as average as the next one.

I also agree with the original post, as Many of those characteristics are displayed by me .
For a while there I thought I was alone.

shtyage3
01-07-16, 12:09
The score on the Binet-Simon scale would reveal the child's mental age. For example, a six-year-old child who passed all the tasks usually passed by six-year-olds—but nothing beyond—would have a mental age that matched his chronological age, 6.0. (Fancher, 1985). Binet thought that intelligence was multifaceted, but came under the control of practical judgment.

Narferorabike
02-09-16, 01:07
Appealing shot mate

DuPidh
25-10-16, 22:44
We have seen in this thread (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24537) that IQ is strongly hereditary, that children with highly educated parents also tended to have higher IQ's, and especially that male hormones significantly increased IQ (because IQ only testes typically male reasoning skills, like logic and spatial skills). We saw that the higher the IQ, the bigger the gap in numbers between men and women.

Because IQ is so intricately linked to male hormones, it is normal to see a correlation between very high IQ and masculine social behaviour.

The higher the IQ, the higher the sense of individuality and the independence of mind. Exceptionally gifted people care (much) less about what other people think of them, and are less sensitive to praise, and even less to flattery.

Because they care less about the opinion and esteem of others, they tend to be less socially oriented, but also feel less easily lonely. Maybe it is because they have a very heightened sense of the "self".

They feel pressed to tell openly what they think to others, especially when they hear something that conflicts with their reasoning or knowledge. They value more truth, facts and logic than friendship or emotional relations.

Gifted people therefore only care about social conventions they agree with, and (harshly) criticise the others. They live in an inner world where anything that is not rational is wrong and should be changed. It is unconceivable to them to bask in mediocrity. They are born perfectionists (for what they care about).

Their disregard for conventions, combined with vivid, creative and independent mind, often make them coin new words (often just for fun, to see the reaction of those who care about conventions), or use rare words (not by pedantry at all, but just because they like them better). In other words, they recreate the conventions for themselves.

Typical high-IQ people are constantly thinking about something, worried about a problem, thinking about solutions... So they end up having little time and energy left, and little motivation, for ordinary chit-chat. Because they are constantly "navigating in their thoughts", they tend to be more forgetful of trivial things ("damn, I forgot to remove the clothes from the washing machine last night !").

Their strong independence of mind and deep intellectualisation of things results in exceptionally gifted people having stronger individual interests than average ("passions" for some topics or activities). Once they get into something, they want to know everything about it (which can make them look like geeks or freaks to ordinary folk).

High IQ correlates strongly with exceptional concentration abilities. The problem is that it makes such people quite stubborn until they know or understand what they wanted. Such children are known for always asking "why" questions, and never give up until they get a satisfactory answer.

One thing that normally irritates people with high IQ is asking them to explain something (complex), then stop listening in the middle of their explanations. Exceptionally gifted people just can't understand why one would ask a question and not care about the answer, when they visibly do not understand that topic.

At school, exceptionally gifted children are easily bored by lessons, because they understand before everyone else and get irritated when the teacher has to repeat for slower people. If it is a subject they are particularily interested in, they usually have learned everything by themselves before, which can create conflicts with the teacher, as gifted children do not mind correcting the teacher's slightest mistake in front of the whole class (that's their way of showing that they shouldn't be sitting in that class in a humiliating position of inferiority - well, you know how wild and vain kids can be !).


On the whole, exceptionally gifted people tend to be hyperactive, eat a lot and sleep a lot (because the brain uses so much energy), or on the contrary eat and sleep very little (these are exceptions, like Napoleon, probably due to a different metabolism).

At work, they have difficulty understanding why other people can't do as much as they do in the same amount of time, or don't do things as well as they should. They are usually unsatisfied by others, demanding, strict, and feel like they have to do things by themselves if they want them to be done properly...

High-IQ people are very individualistic, but they usually strive for the common good (as well as their own interests). Their passion for things, their sense of logic, and their desire for perpetual improvement, make of them good politicians and philosophers. On the other hand, they usually dislike routine jobs, with predefinied tasks and little space for creativity and a sense of intellectual challenge.

Given their individualism, they rarely bear the authority of other people, and are therefore more often self-made people, free-thinkers and entrepreneurs, rather than conventional academics or professionals employed by a company.

Having a high IQ has little influence on most of the arts, as IQ only testes rational, logic and spatial skills. It may help for sculpture (spatial skills), or classsical music (rational and spatial).

We all are the product of randomness. At least until now. Later the people could be engineered. Intelligence has to do with the part of the brain that deals with thinking. The gray area. If this part of the brain is bigger the IQ is higher. It does not have to do with the size of the head since it might not be the grey area. Inheritance always has a role but its not determinant. Einstein had two sons and neither one was intellectually above the average. I don't trust IQ tests a lot. Many tested high IQ people have failed. When I am trying to picture people with high IQ I think of Darwin. We still discovering what Charlz Darwin told as hundreds of years ago They don't necessary excel all the time but when time comes they strike on target. To me an high IQ person is quiet, not talkative and question everything

Zionas
31-10-16, 10:57
I've never had my IQ tested I believe that overall it's above average. I began sleeping late at around three years ago. It's 2AM where I am and I'm still awake. I'm individualistic but not like the North American / Anglo-Saxon way which can be better defined as selfishness and hyper-competitiveness. I'm not a very rational person as I brood and obsess over things quite easily. I can be quite paranoid at times.

Aaron1981
30-11-16, 17:40
I've never had my IQ tested I believe that overall it's above average. I began sleeping late at around three years ago. It's 2AM where I am and I'm still awake. I'm individualistic but not like the North American / Anglo-Saxon way which can be better defined as selfishness and hyper-competitiveness. I'm not a very rational person as I brood and obsess over things quite easily. I can be quite paranoid at times.

Interesting. Where I'm from, Canada, we have lots of international students from China, and they are known for being hyper-competitive and selfish. Also notorious for sticking to their groups and sharing old exams. You must be a different kind of Chinese. I bet you've never even met a white person since no western people really go to China unless we're spending money to feed your economy or temporarily work in a field for a Chinese company that requires an English speaker for some reason and boost your GDP. Funny.

Joey D
01-12-16, 06:20
I've never had my IQ tested I believe that overall it's above average. I began sleeping late at around three years ago. It's 2AM where I am and I'm still awake. I'm individualistic but not like the North American / Anglo-Saxon way which can be better defined as selfishness and hyper-competitiveness. I'm not a very rational person as I brood and obsess over things quite easily. I can be quite paranoid at times.

Have you thought about seeing a therapist?

firetown
01-12-16, 13:04
The same team I have worked with at the University of Prague once published a paper on certain looks people with high IQ might have in common:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTI_Zq0rPgA&t=113s

Joey D
10-12-16, 05:16
Forgetting everyday, simple facts? I think it's called old age.

Aha
14-12-16, 20:20
It sums up people with good logic instruments and spatial skills. There are certain types of people who are better in this than others. The IQ yest is a test for 2 out of many types of intelligence.

I don't complain though, the OP post is like a description of me
:smile:

DuPidh
28-02-17, 04:27
We have seen in this thread (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24537) that IQ is strongly hereditary, that children with highly educated parents also tended to have higher IQ's, and especially that male hormones significantly increased IQ (because IQ only testes typically male reasoning skills, like logic and spatial skills). We saw that the higher the IQ, the bigger the gap in numbers between men and women.

Because IQ is so intricately linked to male hormones, it is normal to see a correlation between very high IQ and masculine social behaviour.

The higher the IQ, the higher the sense of individuality and the independence of mind. Exceptionally gifted people care (much) less about what other people think of them, and are less sensitive to praise, and even less to flattery.

Because they care less about the opinion and esteem of others, they tend to be less socially oriented, but also feel less easily lonely. Maybe it is because they have a very heightened sense of the "self".

They feel pressed to tell openly what they think to others, especially when they hear something that conflicts with their reasoning or knowledge. They value more truth, facts and logic than friendship or emotional relations.

Gifted people therefore only care about social conventions they agree with, and (harshly) criticise the others. They live in an inner world where anything that is not rational is wrong and should be changed. It is unconceivable to them to bask in mediocrity. They are born perfectionists (for what they care about).

Their disregard for conventions, combined with vivid, creative and independent mind, often make them coin new words (often just for fun, to see the reaction of those who care about conventions), or use rare words (not by pedantry at all, but just because they like them better). In other words, they recreate the conventions for themselves.

Typical high-IQ people are constantly thinking about something, worried about a problem, thinking about solutions... So they end up having little time and energy left, and little motivation, for ordinary chit-chat. Because they are constantly "navigating in their thoughts", they tend to be more forgetful of trivial things ("damn, I forgot to remove the clothes from the washing machine last night !").

Their strong independence of mind and deep intellectualisation of things results in exceptionally gifted people having stronger individual interests than average ("passions" for some topics or activities). Once they get into something, they want to know everything about it (which can make them look like geeks or freaks to ordinary folk).

High IQ correlates strongly with exceptional concentration abilities. The problem is that it makes such people quite stubborn until they know or understand what they wanted. Such children are known for always asking "why" questions, and never give up until they get a satisfactory answer.

One thing that normally irritates people with high IQ is asking them to explain something (complex), then stop listening in the middle of their explanations. Exceptionally gifted people just can't understand why one would ask a question and not care about the answer, when they visibly do not understand that topic.

At school, exceptionally gifted children are easily bored by lessons, because they understand before everyone else and get irritated when the teacher has to repeat for slower people. If it is a subject they are particularily interested in, they usually have learned everything by themselves before, which can create conflicts with the teacher, as gifted children do not mind correcting the teacher's slightest mistake in front of the whole class (that's their way of showing that they shouldn't be sitting in that class in a humiliating position of inferiority - well, you know how wild and vain kids can be !).


On the whole, exceptionally gifted people tend to be hyperactive, eat a lot and sleep a lot (because the brain uses so much energy), or on the contrary eat and sleep very little (these are exceptions, like Napoleon, probably due to a different metabolism).

At work, they have difficulty understanding why other people can't do as much as they do in the same amount of time, or don't do things as well as they should. They are usually unsatisfied by others, demanding, strict, and feel like they have to do things by themselves if they want them to be done properly...

High-IQ people are very individualistic, but they usually strive for the common good (as well as their own interests). Their passion for things, their sense of logic, and their desire for perpetual improvement, make of them good politicians and philosophers. On the other hand, they usually dislike routine jobs, with predefinied tasks and little space for creativity and a sense of intellectual challenge.

Given their individualism, they rarely bear the authority of other people, and are therefore more often self-made people, free-thinkers and entrepreneurs, rather than conventional academics or professionals employed by a company.

Having a high IQ has little influence on most of the arts, as IQ only testes rational, logic and spatial skills. It may help for sculpture (spatial skills), or classsical music (rational and spatial).

I have the impression that high IQ people are not sociable in general. It was hard to socialize with Newton, Tesla, Einstein, Gauss,Dirac just to mention a few.This is a sign of autism with its severity differing from one person to another. They see the reality different from others. Let say we all think that darkness is the opposite of light, but Einstein saw darkness as lack of photons, not the opposite of light. He pointed that there is not such a thing like darkness, its the wrong perception of our mind. As proof he pointed that once you are locket in a box tightly closed it will be dark inside, but won't get any darker if this box is put into another one. Once is dark that's it. But that's not the point with light. Strength of light can be changed, so actually light is something we can add or subtract, and darkness is nothing, so darkness can not be the opposite of light. I personally think that very high IQ people are product of randomness rather than hereditary. Let say Einstein's kids did not excel in science. If ever happens that intelligence is transmitted through DNA, so to say becomes hereditary they will form a brand new spices. The rest of us can not keep up with them. So we average IQ people will look like Neanderthal they like the Humans ( intelligently)

firetown
09-03-17, 10:23
I am not quite sure that their personality traits were "hard to socialize with" but rather not having people around compatible with them in terms of socializing. I have noticed that a lot of high IQ people do not seem to worry about what most people worry about. Some of the ones I think are very intelligent are not that well off financially. At least not as well as society would expect them to be. Rather than spending their time thinking about it, they are so occupied with areas of their interest, that they sort of elevate themselves above what people people appear to speak about to their friends. Money, food, clothes, cars, what was on the tube etc. The older I get the more antisocial I become with people whose only conversations are around the same thing as it does not benefit anyone and often has too much negative energy in it. Does that make me antisocial? Sure, some people may think so. But I also know I more and more appreciate the people who inspire me and with whom I can spend an afternoon and get home with new ideas because of mutual inspiration. As for being exclusively hereditary: I know quite a few families with mostly highly intelligent people ... except one. The black sheep. Probably you are right about it being hereditary, but of course there are factors that can play a role in turning a child out differently. But I thought I bring it up to see what causes you detect that IQ and IQ of parents does not always align.

Diomedes
23-05-17, 22:19
They tend to kinda be introvert. Just check Newton's story.

firetown
28-05-17, 13:26
Probably depends on the social settings. Likely very talkative when inspired by like-minded but equally reserved when in situations with people who do not share their areas and levels of interest. I think it is less about IQ but rather what you spend your time being interested in and thinking about. If it has to do with being passionate about things that you think are missing in the world or science "needs to explore further", you might get bored hearing about inside politics of the company your friend is working for. You might tune out when you are content overall and excited over new ideas and research when money (and what it can buy) seems to be the only thing that gets others fired up.
No, I do believe that people with a lower IQ can definitely communicate with those of a genius level when their interests are similar. And this is likely more in terms of personal choice what we spend our time doing and working on rather on how much cash we can grab right now. Which is a necessary part of life, but those who only focus on nothing else are boring to me.
And I always love to look at people's potential. Which I think far too many people are hiding as they have never gotten out of the rut of only looking at what they have to do in life to get what they want. And their own ideas have never properly developed as they were and are only busy executing other people's ideas in order to get paid for it. So no, I do not believe that high IQ people are anti-social. They simply are either in charge if they are business minded or they are somewhere standing a little further away from the masses. But hearing everyday problems is something that is not appealing to those who are able to think on higher level. What appeals to them is likely new solutions. Not old problems.


They tend to kinda be introvert. Just check Newton's story.

tivali
04-06-17, 12:02
I have long been interested in exceptional cognitive ability.
I'd say the most common trait of people with very high IQ is persistence, but this is far from universal. It appears more common than it is because it is very common in highly intelligent people who are well-known.
There have been attempts to correlate IQ and various personality traits. Results have been quite mixed and inconclusive.
But even among the highest IQ people, some fit in well, some are ostracized. Some are polymaths, others are specialists. Some are extraverts, others are introverts. Some appear quite "normal" other than being brilliant, others are distinctly odd. Most are sane, some are crazy.

Gitte
06-07-17, 11:10
I'm gifted, a kind of hopeless romantic, I love art, can get pretty passionate over things, am extremely extravert once I feel comfortable with someone, but very introvert otherwise. The same with talking: I'm a closed book with people who I don't like, but I can't stop talking in the car when my grandma gets me home from school. Some of these 'people with high IQ' things are surely right for me, but by far not all, or not all exactly. I'm pretty emotional. And I don't need 'truth' for everything, I'd like to know things for sure, but I can deal with it I'll never now things for sure, but still wonder about it. I'm a big dreamer.

davef
06-07-17, 13:17
Getting a high score in an iq test

LABERIA
06-07-17, 13:36
I'm gifted, a kind of hopeless romantic, I love art, can get pretty passionate over things, am extremely extravert once I feel comfortable with someone, but very introvert otherwise. The same with talking: I'm a closed book with people who I don't like, but I can't stop talking in the car when my grandma gets me home from school. Some of these 'people with high IQ' things are surely right for me, but by far not all, or not all exactly. I'm pretty emotional. And I don't need 'truth' for everything, I'd like to know things for sure, but I can deal with it I'll never now things for sure, but still wonder about it. I'm a big dreamer.

Which zodiac sign do you belong to? Don't tell me the crab.

castelleone
02-08-17, 18:56
Having a high IQ has little influence on most of the arts, as IQ only testes rational, logic and spatial skills. It may help for sculpture (spatial skills), or classsical music (rational and spatial).

I hope you are not implying that there are no rational, logic and spatial skills involved in

Drawing,
Painting,
Ceramics,
Photography,
Architecture,
Literature,
Music,
Theatre,
Dance,
...

Eugenics
28-11-17, 07:12
One thing that normally irritates people with high IQ is asking them to explain something (complex), then stop listening in the middle of their explanations. Exceptionally gifted people just can't understand why one would ask a question and not care about the answer, when they visibly do not understand that topic.

With this section, feel this is inaccurate. What irritates a person with high IQ is when a person can easily find the answer by searching a common reference such as a dictionary or internet, but instead asks them. He/she is explaining quantum physics and in the middle are being asked to explain basic algebra 101 concepts. It’s better for the person just to sit their silently and listen or not listen.

Ygorcs
28-11-17, 08:02
As far as I know, really, putting all the romanticism about geniuses and high IQ, some things that look at least moderately correlated with high levels of intelligence is: higher levels of anxiety, melancholy, anti-social and/or lonely feelings, pessimism. I don't think that's what makes them intelligent (so, no, sorry, you're not a genius only because you're an anti-social introvert, lol), but it may be related with their broad and numerous, perhaps excessive input of information and knowledge in small ammounts of time, and with their having in general a wider notion about their own issues and the world's problems at large.

castelleone
02-12-17, 10:18
As far as I know, really, putting all the romanticism about geniuses and high IQ, some things that look at least moderately correlated with high levels of intelligence is: higher levels of anxiety, melancholy, anti-social and/or lonely feelings, pessimism. I don't think that's what makes them intelligent (so, no, sorry, you're not a genius only because you're an anti-social introvert, lol), but it may be related with their broad and numerous, perhaps excessive input of information and knowledge in small ammounts of time, and with their having in general a wider notion about their own issues and the world's problems at large.

It is complicated.
Christopher Langan , IQ 200, lives in a remote place in USA and is a bouncer at a bar.

firetown
02-12-17, 15:57
It is complicated.
Christopher Langan , IQ 200, lives in a remote place in USA and is a bouncer at a bar.
He also seems quite happy. Maybe has something to do with not feeling the need to prove himself as people with lower IQs often do.
Now he owns and operates a horse ranch and undertakes activities for his Foundation.

firetown
02-12-17, 16:34
With this section, feel this is inaccurate. What irritates a person with high IQ is when a person can easily find the answer by searching a common reference such as a dictionary or internet, but instead asks them. He/she is explaining quantum physics and in the middle are being asked to explain basic algebra 101 concepts. It’s better for the person just to sit their silently and listen or not listen.
I have never understood this, but a lot has to do with habits picked up in earliest childhood. Give a child something to focus on, a coloring book will do, and often they will explore a world of discovery. Too many parents do not really encourage their kids to do anything other than reprimanding them when they disturb them. Kids without guidance appear to just run around and often wind up academically behind the explorers relying on their answers when questions come up. So whatever your IQ may be, the amount of your brainpower that starts getting activated early on has likely a ton to do with your future behavior as well.

castelleone
03-12-17, 14:33
He also seems quite happy. Maybe has something to do with not feeling the need to prove himself as people with lower IQs often do.
Now he owns and operates a horse ranch and undertakes activities for his Foundation.

I am happy for him.
He probably understands that life is more than just elaborating illusions of grandeur around IQ...

Boogagagoogae
13-06-18, 15:00
Sharp 👀. No average human task. :)))) Lieing like that what a task for him. Jk. What a joke I made.

ToBeOrNotToBe
18-09-18, 21:19
Except in cases of autism/pseudo-autism, high verbal fluency.

GussieDarley
10-10-18, 11:30
IQ test are only reliable until about 130. There are special high IQ test, but the past 150 it's hard to really know who is smarter than whom. There are also many specialised IQ tests (spatial, visual memory, logical, arithmetical, verbal), and people rarely score evenly in all. The problem with most logic test is that they have only simple problems, not ones involving pages of data to mentally sort out before computing. Chimps are faster than humans at some basic problem solving, but cannot deal with high-level complexity problems like humans.
I agree with you that the level of intelligence that is above 130 is difficult to assess. Because it is very smart people.

Natalia
15-11-18, 09:11
I would say Autism. Keep in mind that geniuses are considered "sick" people. Einstein was diagnosed with some forms of Autism. So was Dirac as I know.I am sure Newton was too, even though autism was not known at that time.It could be many more. If one has in mind the Bell curve, the negative 5% of the curve are the idiots (which is a pronounced form of mental sickness) and the positive 5% of the curve are the very smart and geniuses, which is also a good mental sickness The rest of the curve is what we call normal, (90%) of the people. Autistic have the ability to concentrate.

ToBeOrNotToBe
11-04-19, 15:46
iirc verbal intelligence and strong working memory are the main characteristics

Angela
11-04-19, 16:46
Actually, "pen and paper" IQ tests weight mathematical ability higher than verbal ability.

Juju003
27-05-19, 01:04
I think intelligence is basically measured by your ability (and eagerness) to learn new things. People who seek knowledge and enjoy learning seem to be more intelligent in general.

I read an interesting article about the correlation between racism and low intelligence. Racist people lack abstract reasoning skills and are incapable of understanding or accepting someone who doesn’t look or behave just like them. Racist people are usually very close-minded and traditional and reject any kind of forward thinking. Their mind blocks them from understanding and growing which is why they have lower IQ’s than non-racist people. Open-minded individuals who genuinely want to understand and learn tend to have higher IQ’s.

tolle02
23-07-19, 01:47
I like your post. Pretty good presupposition. The social aspect in your latter paragraph is true and insightful, you did jumble me up for a minute but I think I got what you meant. Obviously peoples perceptions of others is normally at least slightly or extremely different than what the person is actually. High IQ people are anomalies and at least top 2% or higher at <1% of the population, so there are few people like them. If you look at more normal intelligence the likelihood of someone being like them is exponentially higher thus easier to make friends that you actually enjoy. It is a common thread of psychology that high iq individuals will like being around people but feel worse after being around them even though they wish to be there. Whereas average or normal individuals feel better after interactions and even energized with friends. You're obviously pretty sharp so I don't know how much of this you know, but I digress lol. There can be those people that are quite antisocial as their intelligence is almost a handicap and technically, once you get to the levels beyond intelligent, it is similar to extreme retardation in the opposite direction. I don't think high iq individuals being weird or socially awkward is a norm, which I think is what you were saying. Average individuals are obviously the vast majority of the population and their awareness and analysis skills won't be that accurate relatively, I think this may be why these sorts of dogmatic ideas stick. Not trying to be disrespectful to anyone if it sounds like that, I'm simply trying to be matter of fact, bare with me. You definitely said just about everything I thought especially the last paragraph.

Faralysi
28-07-19, 16:33
As what I've seen; Extremely arrogant, lazy, could make you disappear in shame with just two words. And on the other side, you got the extremely awkward, anti-social and weird in any kind of way person. Many things are depending on the character anyway on how you use and deal with it.