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Maciamo
23-08-07, 01:13
It is a scientifically proven fact that the more different the genetic make-up of two people, and particularily that of their MHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex), the stronger will be the sexual attraction between them.

Our MHC give other people (unconscious) clues about our immune system. We are more attracted towards those with immune systems very different from ours, so that our offspring with them will inherit of both and be stronger.

Maybe that is one of the reason why it is so much easier to fall in love or find a partner abroad (at least for Europeans or Asians, not for people in countries founded on immigration) than at home. Maybe it is also why Americans, who live in a very ethnically diverse society (esp. in big cities) have more sex, get married more (fall more often in love ?) and divorce more (once the chemical love disappears).

As for Italians, they are the descendents of the citizens of one of history's biggest melting pot, Rome, capital of the Roman Empire for nearly 500 years. More than any other city in the empire, Rome attracted people from all over Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. The Romans were notoriously promiscuous (esp. in Rome itself) and it was common for a man not to be sure whether his wife or concubine's children were really his - even at the top of the hierarchy (or maybe even more so).

In such an environment, it is likely that the men with the best genes (= the most sexy and attractive to women) transmitted their genes at a much higher rate than in more monogamous and faithful societies. After centuries of competition for the best genes, it is only natural that the offspring of the Romans ended up being more genetically attractive than elsewhere in the empire.

Southern Italy also benefited from the mixture between Greek, Italic, Arabic and Norman genes. Northern Italians have inherited of Celtic, Estruscan, Germanic (Gothic, Lombard, Bavarian) and Slavic/Illyrian (through Venice) genes.

The more northern, central and southern Italians intermingled during the 1500 years after the fall of Rome, the more those genes completed each others, giving modern Italians what is probably the most complex genetic make-up and the most competitive genetic attractiveness in the world, or at least in Europe.

This may be why both Italian females and (even more so ?) males seem to be irresistibly charming and sexy to most other people in the world.

It may simply be that they are the fruit of the most competive sexual selection in human history so far based on pure attractiveness (as opposed to wealth, power or whatever other factor).

billthebutcher
14-08-08, 17:03
Yes, especially the Italian women.
Its just my humble opinion, indeed.

JackMack
09-06-09, 00:04
It is a scientifically proven fact that the more different the genetic make-up of two people, and particularily that of their MHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex), the stronger will be the sexual attraction between them.

Our MHC give other people (unconscious) clues about our immune system. We are more attracted towards those with immune systems very different from ours, so that our offspring with them will inherit of both and be stronger.

Maybe that is one of the reason why it is so much easier to fall in love or find a partner abroad (at least for Europeans or Asians, not for people in countries founded on immigration) than at home. Maybe it is also why Americans, who live in a very ethnically diverse society (esp. in big cities) have more sex, get married more (fall more often in love ?) and divorce more (once the chemical love disappears).

As for Italians, they are the descendents of the citizens of one of history's biggest melting pot, Rome, capital of the Roman Empire for nearly 500 years. More than any other city in the empire, Rome attracted people from all over Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. The Romans were notoriously promiscuous (esp. in Rome itself) and it was common for a man not to be sure whether his wife or concubine's children were really his - even at the top of the hierarchy (or maybe even more so).

In such an environment, it is likely that the men with the best genes (= the most sexy and attractive to women) transmitted their genes at a much higher rate than in more monogamous and faithful societies. After centuries of competition for the best genes, it is only natural that the offspring of the Romans ended up being more genetically attractive than elsewhere in the empire.

Southern Italy also benefited from the mixture between Greek, Italic, Arabic and Norman genes. Northern Italians have inherited of Celtic, Estruscan, Germanic (Gothic, Lombard, Bavarian) and Slavic/Illyrian (through Venice) genes.

The more northern, central and southern Italians intermingled during the 1500 years after the fall of Rome, the more those genes completed each others, giving modern Italians what is probably the most complex genetic make-up and the most competitive genetic attractiveness in the world, or at least in Europe.

This may be why both Italian females and (even more so ?) males seem to be irresistibly charming and sexy to most other people in the world.

It may simply be that they are the fruit of the most competive sexual selection in human history so far based on pure attractiveness (as opposed to wealth, power or whatever other factor).

I agree-love the Italians!

Marianne
11-06-09, 10:20
I am having a hard time distinguishing Italians (especially those from central Italy) from Greeks. It's only clear to me when they start talking :P

There is a saying in Greece: una faccia una razza (meaning same face same race) that we use when we are referring to Italians.

However, I have noticed that southern Italians look more exotic than the central/northern ones. Italian women from southern Italy are considered very sexy in Greece, in fact there are a few Italian actresses that are very successful at the Greek tv :P As for Italian men, i don't find them a lot sexier than the Greek ones, except for their language which I find really sexy

Maciamo
11-06-09, 17:33
In terms of Y-DNA southern Italians are closer to Greeks than to northern Italians or anybody else. Southern Italy was colonised by Greeks in several waves from the Neolithic period to Classical Greece.

Based on my observations, the Italian sexiness is a nationwide phenomenon, although people in Central Italy (e.g. Rome and Naples) gave me the impression of being particularly sexy.

Marianne
13-06-09, 12:41
In terms of Y-DNA southern Italians are closer to Greeks than to northern Italians or anybody else. Southern Italy was colonised by Greeks in several waves from the Neolithic period to Classical Greece.


Yes and that surprises me. We learn that Greeks colonised southern Italy at elementary school but when I see southern Italians they look more Spanish than Greeks compared to central Italians that in my opinion look more like Greeks. Maybe it has to do with the fact that southern Italy was colonised by others also.

JackMack
16-06-09, 21:10
Yes and that surprises me. We learn that Greeks colonised southern Italy at elementary school but when I see southern Italians they look more Spanish than Greeks compared to central Italians that in my opinion look more like Greeks. Maybe it has to do with the fact that southern Italy was colonised by others also.


That's odd because through all of my extensive travels in Italy the southern Italians were generally lighter in appearance then the central italians and only small enclaves in northern Italy were the lighest.

Maciamo
17-06-09, 10:40
That's odd because through all of my extensive travels in Italy the southern Italians were generally lighter in appearance then the central italians and only small enclaves in northern Italy were the lighest.

This map of fair hair frequency in Italy was published by Renato Biasutti based on earlier data from Rodolfo Livi. There is a clear north-south gradient, with fairer hair in the North. I don't see why you want to argue the opposite. Are you a blond-haired southern Italian who has issues with southerners not being as blond as northerners or what ?

PreteRosso
20-06-09, 21:05
As an Italian I have to spend some words on this very interesting topic. It is commonly believed that Southern Italians have very dark traits, and for sure darker than Northern and Central Italians. While this can be considered true as a rule of thumb, it is true nonetheless that in Southern Italy you can find the largest volatility of physical features. It is probably the European region with the highest dispersion of traits, because it has been conquered, among the others, by: Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Turks, Arabs, Lombards, Normans, French, Spaniards. So that's why someone can find Central Italians in a sense darker, or anyway more homogeneous, more similar to the image of the "typical" Italian.
Except maybe for Calabria, in any other place of Southern Italy a family with Moorish ancestors, looking almost Middle-Eastern, can live in the same building as a family with German ancestors, that looks totally Northern European. That is an incredible variety, difficult to find in any other place of Europe (except for big migration cities). I am myself an example of this mixture, my parents being two Southeners with totally different genetic traits (one dark-skinned and dark-haired and one descendant of Norman migrants).
There is not a typical Italian: there are only more common features (like dark hair) and places with less variety of characteristics.
And of course, this wide melting of DNAs favoured our being so good-looking! ;).

Genocentrist
13-09-09, 21:49
Yes and that surprises me. We learn that Greeks colonised southern Italy at elementary school but when I see southern Italians they look more Spanish than Greeks compared to central Italians that in my opinion look more like Greeks. Maybe it has to do with the fact that southern Italy was colonised by others also.

It depends what you consider Central Italy?

To me Italy varies town to town, the division of South, Central & north is not Enough.

I apologize I don't think admixture means beautiful, otherwise the South Bronx will be heaven on Earth :useless:

Italy was a strong civilized region for a very long time, which means crude males had lower chances to mate with beautiful females. In civilized socieities the better looking males advance easier & have more sex making more children. Its really up to the females & males any society can become near perfect if reproduction is restricted to the best (whatever these people standards are)

Admixture allows chances for better breeding, but not all the time. Sometimes we get by unattractive results, next time you visit NYC take a drive in South Bronx (very mixed area) and try to find an attractive female :innocent:

Genocentrist
13-09-09, 21:54
This map of fair hair frequency in Italy was published by Renato Biasutti based on earlier data from Rodolfo Livi. There is a clear north-south gradient, with fairer hair in the North. I don't see why you want to argue the opposite. Are you a blond-haired southern Italian who has issues with southerners not being as blond as northerners or what ?

Beautiful Map it shows Sardinia dark hair which is additional evidence that the modern Sardinians are the closest to the native Paleolithic I2 - Dinarid Europids

Sybilla
24-01-11, 17:31
Actually most Italians are a mix of Italics and Celts, so they are pretty omogeneous genetically, but in phenotypes there are dark and light Italians so people sometimes think that we are offspring of more peoples.

About Greeks, their genetical contribution in Sicily is so high that we can consider Sicily a part of Greece speaking Italian and with Italian names. Before the Roman conquest, Sicily was perceived from Greeks as a part of Greece (Magna Graecia) and just after the fall of the Empire the Bizantines retook Sicily.

Sardinia in an other exception in Italy becouse Sardinians descend not from Italics but from Shardana, a neolithic people. They are different from other Italians and Sicilians too.

Sybilla
24-01-11, 17:37
In terms of Y-DNA southern Italians are closer to Greeks than to northern Italians or anybody else. Southern Italy was colonised by Greeks in several waves from the Neolithic period to Classical Greece.

Based on my observations, the Italian sexiness is a nationwide phenomenon, although people in Central Italy (e.g. Rome and Naples) gave me the impression of being particularly sexy.

I am fron central Italy very close to Rome :innocent:

Reinaert
24-01-11, 20:42
Hmm.. In The Netherlands also live people from different backgrounds.
As a man, my opinion is that at least women from mixed parents (Dutch and non Dutch) have a tendency to more appealing than women that are original Dutch.

But I think that is a natural thing.
Boys who grow up with a blondes, are more interested in darker types.
On the other hand, blond is more appealing to darker haired men.

But the problem for men is they want a woman who has at least 4 properties.

1 Good looking
2 Rich
3 Gentle and nice
4 Honest and loyal

And have you ever seen such a woman? Send me a pm if you do ;)

The same goes for men anyway.

Mzungu mchagga
24-01-11, 21:41
OMG, the genetic diversity in Germany must be alarming low... :sad-2:

Reinaert
25-01-11, 00:28
OMG, the genetic diversity in Germany must be alarming low... :sad-2:

Haha.. But there are good looking German women.. :grin:

Hmm.. As I can remember..

1 Nena.
2 Nina Hagen (kind of kinky)

At least 2 ;)

Cambrius (The Red)
25-01-11, 00:54
As an Italian I have to spend some words on this very interesting topic. It is commonly believed that Southern Italians have very dark traits, and for sure darker than Northern and Central Italians. While this can be considered true as a rule of thumb, it is true nonetheless that in Southern Italy you can find the largest volatility of physical features. It is probably the European region with the highest dispersion of traits, because it has been conquered, among the others, by: Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Turks, Arabs, Lombards, Normans, French, Spaniards. So that's why someone can find Central Italians in a sense darker, or anyway more homogeneous, more similar to the image of the "typical" Italian.
Except maybe for Calabria, in any other place of Southern Italy a family with Moorish ancestors, looking almost Middle-Eastern, can live in the same building as a family with German ancestors, that looks totally Northern European. That is an incredible variety, difficult to find in any other place of Europe (except for big migration cities). I am myself an example of this mixture, my parents being two Southeners with totally different genetic traits (one dark-skinned and dark-haired and one descendant of Norman migrants).
There is not a typical Italian: there are only more common features (like dark hair) and places with less variety of characteristics.
And of course, this wide melting of DNAs favoured our being so good-looking! ;).

Autosomal DNA studies show Southern Italians clustering with Greeks, and Northern Italians clustering with Spaniards, Portuguese and French. See the latest Dienekes and Polako ancestry projects for examples.

LeBrok
25-01-11, 01:41
Hmm.. In The Netherlands also live people from different backgrounds.
As a man, my opinion is that at least women from mixed parents (Dutch and non Dutch) have a tendency to more appealing than women that are original Dutch.

But I think that is a natural thing.
Boys who grow up with a blondes, are more interested in darker types.
On the other hand, blond is more appealing to darker haired men.

But the problem for men is they want a woman who has at least 4 properties.

1 Good looking
2 Rich
3 Gentle and nice
4 Honest and loyal

And have you ever seen such a woman? Send me a pm if you do ;)

The same goes for men anyway.

Wow, I can't believe you said Rich! :shocked:
I'm sure you meant "Dirty". :rolleyes2:



:grin: Don't mind, just a little jock.

Regulus
25-01-11, 02:25
Just my fortune - I don't get the height that may be expected from my Irish side and I don't get any attractiveness from my Italian side.:wary2:

Drac
25-01-11, 06:43
That's odd because through all of my extensive travels in Italy the southern Italians were generally lighter in appearance then the central italians and only small enclaves in northern Italy were the lighest.

If what he/she said was true (which it isn't), that hardly would be "odd". Greece is not "fairer" than Spain.

Melusine
25-01-11, 06:48
From a womens POV:

What exactly is "sexy"?. I would say that the men that have the most "offspring" are the sexiest on earth.

The population in Italy is a bit over 58 million. The population in China is One Billion , 347 million plus.

Go figure!

Melusine

Sybilla
25-01-11, 18:10
From a womens POV:

What exactly is "sexy"?.


I am a brunette and find extremely attractive blonde men, in particular those of germanic origins. I must admit that blonde Italians look more germanic than celtic or slavic, so I put in the list also blonde Italian men (and there are, believe me). An athletic blonde man with a beautiful smile makes me die.


Autosomal DNA studies show Southern Italians clustering with Greeks, and Northern Italians clustering with Spaniards, Portuguese and French. See the latest Dienekes and Polako ancestry projects for examples.

And central Italians? In central Greeks didn't come, so I don't expect us to cluster with Greeks. From what I have read central Italians cluster more with Yugoslavians, but I ignore why.

Cambrius (The Red)
25-01-11, 21:22
I am a brunette and find extremely attractive blonde men, in particular those of germanic origins. I must admit that blonde Italians look more germanic than celtic or slavic, so I put in the list also blonde Italian men (and there are, believe me). An athletic blonde man with a beautiful smile makes me die.



And central Italians? In central Greeks didn't come, so I don't expect us to cluster with Greeks. From what I have read central Italians cluster more with Yugoslavians, but I ignore why.

I know that Tuscans (Central Italy) autosomally fall between Balkanites and N. Italians.

Regulus
26-01-11, 01:54
I am a brunette and find extremely attractive blonde men, in particular those of germanic origins. I must admit that blonde Italians look more germanic than celtic or slavic, so I put in the list also blonde Italian men (and there are, believe me). An athletic blonde man with a beautiful smile makes me die.



And central Italians? In central Greeks didn't come, so I don't expect us to cluster with Greeks. From what I have read central Italians cluster more with Yugoslavians, but I ignore why.

I remember reading that by around 1000 BCE, Italy was colonized by a migration of Illyrians all along the Adriatic coast and west to the Apennines. I am not sure if this is believed to be mostly by sea or by land. I would guess by sea as there was not much evidence of them at the time in the Northeast of Italy, which still appears to have had quite a few Italics at that point.

Wilhelm
26-01-11, 02:13
And central Italians? In central Greeks didn't come, so I don't expect us to cluster with Greeks. From what I have read central Italians cluster more with Yugoslavians, but I ignore why.
If we consider Tuscans as central Italians, they cluster between North Italians and South Italians, as expected. Some greeks might also cluster with central Italians, apart from South Italians.

DavidCoutts
26-01-11, 03:46
I suppose they have to be great lovers, since they can't fight worth a damn...

Sybilla
27-01-11, 11:20
If we consider Tuscans as central Italians, they cluster between North Italians and South Italians, as expected. Some greeks might also cluster with central Italians, apart from South Italians.

Not only Tuscans (descendents of Etruscans), but also Latins (or Latials, the inhabitants of the region of Rome), Abruzzeses (descending from Samnites, Picenes and Umbrians) Umbrians and Marchisans (descending from Picenes, Celts and Umbrians). In short, all those peoples descending from the Italics. Tuscans in this sense is an exception becouse they descend from Etruscans whose origins are still mysterious.
I suppose between Balcanites and Northern Italians, maybe.

Regulus
27-01-11, 19:15
I suppose they have to be great lovers, since they can't fight worth a damn...


:laughing:

Grizzly
28-01-11, 22:13
As I have noticed, Italian "brunettes" are very contrasted compared to the other countries . You can find the best like the worst (very ugly or gorgeous).

Sybilla
29-01-11, 12:53
As I have noticed, Italian "brunettes" are very contrasted compared to the other countries . You can find the best like the worst (very ugly or gorgeous).

I tend to agree, but this is due to the fact that Italian females (but I think most of the Southern Europeans) tend to have some physical characterists that lead to this.
-Most Italian girls tend to have a medium-small bone structure, therefore you can find very thin/delicate girls but also short girls on whom a bit of fatness has a destroying impact.
-Italian women tend to have curves, so you can find women with beautiful breast and hips, but also women who look a bit stocky.

This is only a generalization, anyway. There are also tall Italian women.
I think for best you mean a tall, armonious, with curves Italian brunette, and for worst a short, stocky, a bit fat Italian brunette.

Riccardo
24-03-11, 15:07
I tend to agree, but this is due to the fact that Italian females (but I think most of the Southern Europeans) tend to have some physical characterists that lead to this.
-Most Italian girls tend to have a medium-small bone structure, therefore you can find very thin/delicate girls but also short girls on whom a bit of fatness has a destroying impact.
-Italian women tend to have curves, so you can find women with beautiful breast and hips, but also women who look a bit stocky.

This is only a generalization, anyway. There are also tall Italian women.
I think for best you mean a tall, armonious, with curves Italian brunette, and for worst a short, stocky, a bit fat Italian brunette.

I come from Roma too, so as you can imagine we are perfect instances of central Italian people! :grin:
This topic is really interesting because it's something I always asked myself. When I go abroad, being Italian is something that girls percieve as something really sexy. This happens also for women/girls that go abroad. Maybe it depends a bit on the reputation that Italians have all over the world! If someone is good looking in most of cases you have to add the stereotypes of Italian charm, of passion, ecc. And in some cases there are true things in this.
Not extending too much the issue, I think that the basical reason of attraction towards Italians is the diversity. As others have already said, Italians are one of the most mixed races in Europe and in the world, and this genetic outfit created an average beautiful people.
I think that diveristy gives attraction. Infact I had experiences with both Italian girls and foreigner girls and the strongest attraction was towards the foreigner girls (and vice versa, the girls that were more attracted from me were the foreigners). But the case of strongest mutual attraction maybe is beetween two sister nations: Italy and Spain. There would be a lot to say about that.

Anyhow I don't know my ethnical roots...But as you can see from my picture I have:

- Really light brown hair, almost blonde.
- Really dark eyes.
- Light skin that in summer becomes olive colour.

It is a perfect instance of mixed roots, isn't it? :good_job:

Sybilla
24-03-11, 17:20
I come from Roma too, so as you can imagine we are perfect instances of central Italian people! :grin:
This topic is really interesting because it's something I always asked myself. When I go abroad, being Italian is something that girls percieve as something really sexy. This happens also for women/girls that go abroad. Maybe it depends a bit on the reputation that Italians have all over the world! If someone is good looking in most of cases you have to add the stereotypes of Italian charm, of passion, ecc. And in some cases there are true things in this.
Not extending too much the issue, I think that the basical reason of attraction towards Italians is the diversity. As others have already said, Italians are one of the most mixed races in Europe and in the world, and this genetic outfit created an average beautiful people.
I think that diveristy gives attraction. Infact I had experiences with both Italian girls and foreigner girls and the strongest attraction was towards the foreigner girls (and vice versa, the girls that were more attracted from me were the foreigners). But the case of strongest mutual attraction maybe is beetween two sister nations: Italy and Spain. There would be a lot to say about that.

Anyhow I don't know my ethnical roots...But as you can see from my picture I have:

- Really light brown hair, almost blonde.
- Really dark eyes.
- Light skin that in summer becomes olive colour.

It is a perfect instance of mixed roots, isn't it? :good_job:

I've been said that I can pass also for Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian, or a white Turk / Persian. Abroad I have been confused for Spanish once.
My boyfriend is always mistaken for German on the other hand.

Riccardo
24-03-11, 19:26
I've been said that I can pass also for Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian, or a white Turk / Persian. Abroad I have been confused for Spanish once.
My boyfriend is always mistaken for German on the other hand.

The same thing that happens to you, it happens to my father!
About me...I don't know why when I go abroad they always already know that I'm Italian! :satisfied:

Reinaert
01-04-11, 17:47
I suppose they have to be great lovers, since they can't fight worth a damn...

Don't believe all the Anglo-American propaganda.

Europeans don't fight for a wrong cause generally.

But there are some area's in Europe that have a long tradition of mercenaries.
For instance in Scotland, Switzerland, Croatia, Germany, France.
This habit was partly because of poverty.

So it's not nice to piss off Italians.
Not even as a joke.
The Alpini fought against Austrian troopers in the Alpes. They even hoisted a gun to the top of a mountain, where today a mountain climber would have a hard time to climb to.

Aconform
01-04-11, 19:25
Italians just rock in my book.

They have been so cool to the Arbresh minority there.

And look at them here someone says something that would make other people go nuts… imagine if someone said that one of the other south Euro countries cant fight or that they were mixed.

Italians are sexy because they are laid back and self confident. I child talking about how cool his father and granddaddy were don’t make the juices flowing.

Come to thin of it have yet to se one ***** and moune here on how great they are or how pure they are… whatever that meens.

Cool = hot and sexy

barbarian
01-04-11, 21:07
i had a big rock bar in Antalya (the biggest tourism center in turkey). and i had the chance of meeting people from all around the world. and i meet lots of italian after the movie "mediteriano" which was made in greece island called "meis".

and i believe their fully deserved charm comes from their smile, nice language and fashion. hollywood movies also support their charisma.

italians looks very sexy, but for me northern europeans and especialyy white south africans are more beatiful, dutch people are very funny, ausies and canadians are very friendly. japanese people are the sweetest.

as a turkish it was big disappointment to see the girls were running away from you when they hear that you were turkish since they were very "friendly" :grin: in their vacation in turkey. they were competing with each other to have a turkish lover.

julia90
01-04-11, 21:49
i don't belive we are that sexy, for italian men, sexy girls are found in eastern europe or northern europe (particulary scandinavia, czech rep. Hungary, poland, romania, bulgaria, moldova). among souther europeans for italian men are considered the spanish girls.
sex turism of italian men is latin america (also caribbeans), eastern europe (moldova, bulgaria..), sweden (all scandinavia) and thailand.

for italian women, probably black males, and maybe north african men (i know some cases of female sex turism in jamaica and in egypt)

Vallicanus
02-04-11, 10:32
i don't belive we are that sexy, for italian men, sexy girls are found in eastern europe or northern europe (particulary scandinavia, czech rep. Hungary, poland, romania, bulgaria, moldova). among souther europeans for italian men are considered the spanish girls.
sex turism of italian men is latin america (also caribbeans), eastern europe (moldova, bulgaria..), sweden (all scandinavia) and thailand.

for italian women, probably black males, and maybe north african men (i know some cases of female sex turism in jamaica and in egypt)

You'll be happy then about the thousands of North African males coming into Italy via the Lampedusa refugee camp (France has wisely closed its border near Nice).:laughing:

BTW most central and east European nationalities are as attractive as Italians, or more so.:thinking:

Reinaert
02-04-11, 13:01
Haha.. It's a well known fact that grass is always greener in a far away meadow.
My father was a French type. Dark hair.
My mother was a German type. Blond hair.
So, I feel more attracted to darker women.
Because my mother was blond.

But after all those years I am married, it turned out that my wives family has yDNA J2..
It didn't surprise me at all.
A Celtic Prince married with a Roman Princess. :lol:

julia90
02-04-11, 15:39
do fair haired men prefer dark haired women? and viceversa do blonde girls like dark haired men more?

Angela
02-04-11, 17:03
Julia,

I think that generalizations are always just that, generalizations. They are not always true. People are individuals, and their preferences, like everything else about them, may be influenced by multiple factors.

Perhaps some people are only attracted to the visually familiar. Others may be more attracted to their opposites. Some may be very influenced by the media in their particular country. Others may be attracted to the general "persona" of individuals in certain parts of Europe, or their reputation romantically, and that may translate into a preference for a certain "look".

Then there's also the case that early personal experiences can sort of "imprint" you in one way or another. If someone associates "availability" with a certain group or look, that's also a factor. Perhaps still others have been raised with a racist point of view, and can only see beauty in members of their own race or "ethnic" group.

Personally, I have dark brown hair and brown eyes and the only men that have ever really attracted me were Mediterranean looking. But that is just me, and is probably more a function of "persona" than strictly looks.(although my father was fair haired when young, and green-eyed)

BTW, what I think of as sex tourism is a whole different thing. That is exploitation of people who are economically disadvantaged more than anything else.e.g. Thailand, or the exploitation of eastern European women in the west.

Elias2
02-04-11, 17:18
I've seen good looking italian girls and I've seen bad. I don't like the italian people who think they're hot just because they're italian when relly they're not very good looking.

A great example is the television show that is popular in North America, Jersey Shore.... if any of you have seen just one episode you would want to smack your head against a brick wall over and over again. Appearently next season will be done in Italy, god help the real italians.

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/files/2010/01/JerseyShoreFinale.jpg

julia90
02-04-11, 17:44
Julia,

I think that generalizations are always just that, generalizations. They are not always true. People are individuals, and their preferences, like everything else about them, may be influenced by multiple factors.

Perhaps some people are only attracted to the visually familiar. Others may be more attracted to their opposites. Some may be very influenced by the media in their particular country. Others may be attracted to the general "persona" of individuals in certain parts of Europe, or their reputation romantically, and that may translate into a preference for a certain "look".

Then there's also the case that early personal experiences can sort of "imprint" you in one way or another. If someone associates "availability" with a certain group or look, that's also a factor. Perhaps still others have been raised with a racist point of view, and can only see beauty in members of their own race or "ethnic" group.

Personally, I have dark brown hair and brown eyes and the only men that have ever really attracted me were Mediterranean looking. But that is just me, and is probably more a function of "persona" than strictly looks.(although my father was fair haired when young, and green-eyed)

BTW, what I think of as sex tourism is a whole different thing. That is exploitation of people who are economically disadvantaged more than anything else.e.g. Thailand, or the exploitation of eastern European women in the west.

me, too, i prefer dark haired men.
but indeed italian men think eastern european women are all models

julia90
02-04-11, 17:49
I've seen good looking italian girls and I've seen bad. I don't like the italian people who think they're hot just because they're italian when relly they're not very good looking.

A great example is the television show that is popular in North America, Jersey Shore.... if any of you have seen just one episode you would want to smack your head against a brick wall over and over again. Appearently next season will be done in Italy, god help the real italians.

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/files/2010/01/JerseyShoreFinale.jpg

unfortunately, the italian mtv transmit it also hear, i've seen two episodes of it, and i don't like it in particular.
we have a local italian world to name people Guidos: Truzzi, Tamarri=exxagerated, bighead.

Guidos seems to be an only usa species of men.

Angela
02-04-11, 21:27
me, too, i prefer dark haired men.
but indeed italian men think eastern european women are all models

Then I think they need to travel more.:rolleyes2: Seriously, there are attractive people in every country, and everybody's taste is different, but I've traveled there quite a bit on business, and they are hardly all model material.

That's just as silly as someone from Britain or Germany watching Italian television and thinking that every young Italian woman looks like the Italian showgirls or one of the vilene like Giorgia Palmas :laughing: (I would post google links, but I'm afraid I might get banned!)

Angela
02-04-11, 22:03
unfortunately, the italian mtv transmit it also hear, i've seen two episodes of it, and i don't like it in particular.
we have a local italian world to name people Guidos: Truzzi, Tamarri=exxagerated, bighead.

Guidos seem to be an only usa species of men.

How right you are! They're definitely a particular species of "American", not Italian. For one thing, they're not all southern Italian in heritage(two at least are half something else, and "Snooki" is adopted and is Chilean in genetic ancestry). They're not even all from New Jersey. I'm afraid that New York has to admit that some of them are from there.

The method of selection, from my personal knowledge(they had a "casting" call near where I currently live, which was reported on) has more to do with incipient alcoholism, hardly an Italian trait, and, shall I say, how "available" they are.:shocked:

The "men", and I use that term loosely, obviously get their confidence from a lot of "romantic" success, but I don't understand it. Or perhaps their confidence gets them their success!:thinking:The only thing I can see that they have going for them is their abs!

Now, as for Raoul Bova, that's Italian! I think the movie Under the Tuscan Sun probably increased tourism to Italy by 50%:laughing:

Carlitos
02-04-11, 22:15
Hollywood has set the trend, showing himself a great ignorance of the world besides being the fault that everyone wants to be Viking. It's amazing that Hollywood propaganda has done to Italy and France, the English also an excellent treatment, the Vikings their favorites, I do not know if Americans would be satisfied if any country would make a movie where Bin Laden and his men were heroes. Anyway, Italy and France can be satisfied with the treatment that has always Hollywood.

Reinaert
02-04-11, 23:10
Who wants to be a viking?
Vikings were the scum of the people. Bandits that you could define best as outlaws.
Most Scandinavian people were and still are very friendly.

As I see it, Americans always had a passion for outlaws. :)

Antigone
03-04-11, 05:21
Who wants to be a viking?
Vikings were the scum of the people. Bandits that you could define best as outlaws.
Most Scandinavian people were and still are very friendly.

As I see it, Americans always had a passion for outlaws. :)

Ha, you are not wrong!

Hollywood has promoted a romanticised version of the Vikings that has nothing to do with the reality of what they were but people would prefer to live in fantasyland than read a history book.

The same happened when the woeful Braveheart was released, one of the most historically inaccurate films ever released but suddenly everyone wanted to be a Scottish rebel!

The myth of Italian men is also a Hollywood promotion, in reality there are good, bad and ugly Italians and no different to everyone else.

Carlitos
03-04-11, 15:58
When Hollywood released Braveheart in many Spanish carnivals painted their faces blue, how fast and soon to be adopted in any remote region that gives Hollywood views the world, however wrong they are.

Catchabus
04-04-11, 22:02
Italian-Americans who were angry about The Sopranos should go on hunger strikes over Jersey Shore; though as Angela pointed out they are not really even Italian-American. The depiction of these “Guidos” is really insulting to those who do not fit into a simple stereotype.

julia90
05-04-11, 01:34
i belive that the most beutifull italians are those who described sybilla.

dark haired and slender brunets. it's true those who are really beautifull they are exceptional, and those who are ugly are really ugly.

Cambrius (The Red)
05-04-11, 14:28
Italian-Americans who were angry about The Sopranos should go on hunger strikes over Jersey Shore; though as Angela pointed out they are not really even Italian-American. The depiction of these “Guidos” is really insulting to those who do not fit into a simple stereotype.


I agree. It's quite insulting to all Italian-Americans and reinforces a very exaggerated stereotype. Then again, we are dealing with a rather twisted media machine.

Regulus
05-04-11, 14:52
Italian-Americans who were angry about The Sopranos should go on hunger strikes over Jersey Shore; though as Angela pointed out they are not really even Italian-American. The depiction of these “Guidos” is really insulting to those who do not fit into a simple stereotype.


You do bring up good points.
I myself am of half-Italian descent and can't stand to watch the show.

From what I have witnessed, not all or most, but all-too-many Italian-Americans actually like the image(s) portrayed on the show. Here in the Northeast there is a sizeable subset that tries to maintain the appearance of that lifestyle.

Catchabus
05-04-11, 18:17
I agree. It's quite insulting to all Italian-Americans and reinforces a very exaggerated stereotype. Then again, we are dealing with a rather twisted media machine.

That is well said.

Catchabus
05-04-11, 18:23
You do bring up good points.
I myself am of half-Italian descent and can't stand to watch the show.

From what I have witnessed, not all or most, but all-too-many Italian-Americans actually like the image(s) portrayed on the show. Here in the Northeast there is a sizeable subset that tries to maintain the appearance of that lifestyle.


I don't get it. Perhaps because I had to assimilate into American society I did not need to express my Italian heritage as much; though I have in my own way (studying the language, literature, supporting the Azzurri, etc).

Regulus
05-04-11, 18:28
I don't get it. Perhaps because I had to assimilate into American society I did not need to express my Italian heritage as much; though I have in my own way (studying the language, literature, supporting the Azzurri, etc).


Very good point.

You know what being Italian is, they don't but pretend that they do.

First generation Italians never act like the fake, probably third generation ones.

Angela
05-04-11, 23:06
Well, Italian they're not, although I'm not as strict about that definition as real Italy Italians living in Italy today. (go on, say that fast!:grin:)

In my experience, according to them, if you weren't born there, don't hold Italian citizenship, weren't totally raised and educated there, and don't have a stake in current Italian society, you're not Italian. (Some would add that you must also have Italian parentage.)

Therefore, since I was educated primarily in the U.S., and since from childhood on, I have only spent a year or two and summers there, I am l'americana to all but the people of my own village. (But then campanilismo reigns everywhere, and the woman from Massa down the coast is la Tosca)

Meanwhile, although I don't think I'm particularly assimilated at all, the "Jersey Shore" types, and indeed even some perfectly lovely Italian Americans, don't see me as "really" Italian at all.

I can't win for losing.:smile:

They're a particular subgroup of an Italian-American group that is a subgroup(southern Italian and Sicilian) of Italians. Whether they demonstrate more "Italian" cultural characteristics when at home I don't know, but while at the "Shore", the only "notes" of Italian-ness I can see is the emphasis on personal appearance, and the confidence with girls the young men display.

And yes, it's strangely popular. One of the local hot-spots for young people regularly schedules a "Jersey Shore" night, and these kids, of all ethnic groups and combinations I assure you, dress for the part, and throng the place. :confused2:

julia90
05-04-11, 23:22
And yes, it's strangely popular. One of the local hot-spots for young people regularly schedules a "Jersey Shore" night, and these kids, of all ethnic groups and combinations I assure you, dress for the part, and throng the place. :confused2:

:startled:..it's dangerous because this people might associate italy and real italians with jerseyshorians:shocked:


GUIDOS
http://www.thebigbags.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/guido.jpg
=
LOCAL SPECIES OF TRUZZI, TAMARRI, EMO
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803230046/nonciclopedia/images/7/7f/Due_Truzzi.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803231354/nonciclopedia/images/6/6e/Ragazzi_Truzzi.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090929132057/nonciclopedia/images/9/9e/Truzzo_in_bagno.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080722224517/nonciclopedia/images/3/3c/Truzza.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091017120061/nonciclopedia/images/4/40/Truzzo_Why_Be_Normal%3F.jpg

surprisingly similar, example of teenager subculture movements

Regulus
06-04-11, 01:28
there, I am l'americana to all but the people of my own village. :smile:

:confused2:

My father, although born in NY, was more than conversant in his father's dialect, I believe that of the Bari region and his mother's who was a "Syragusa". He was older and grew up in a part of Brooklyn in the 20s to early 30s where it was not unusual for some to live their whole lives not knowing any appreciable amount of English.

His pronunciation of the word American, when he intended to employ it as some sort of put-down, was 'Amerigaan':laughing:

Vallicanus
06-04-11, 11:44
:startled:..it's dangerous because this people might associate italy and real italians with jerseyshorians:shocked:


GUIDOS
http://www.thebigbags.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/guido.jpg
=
LOCAL SPECIES OF TRUZZI, TAMARRI, EMO
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803230046/nonciclopedia/images/7/7f/Due_Truzzi.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803231354/nonciclopedia/images/6/6e/Ragazzi_Truzzi.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090929132057/nonciclopedia/images/9/9e/Truzzo_in_bagno.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080722224517/nonciclopedia/images/3/3c/Truzza.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091017120061/nonciclopedia/images/4/40/Truzzo_Why_Be_Normal%3F.jpg

surprisingly similar, example of teenager subculture movements

Che schifo!:confused2::useless::laughing:

Antigone
06-04-11, 17:22
Therefore, since I was educated primarily in the U.S., and since from childhood on, I have only spent a year or two and summers there, I am l'americana to all but the people of my own village

It is exactly the same in Greece with the American or Australian Greeks!

The Australian Greeks are "more Greek than the Greeks", this is a saying that Aust. Greeks apply to themselves. But they cling to a 1940 or 1950s idea of ethnicitity and traditions, it is very strict. And when they come to Greece for holidays they are completely alien to what the Greeks in Greece are today, it is wierd.

The Italians in Australia are different and better, they are not so insular and involve themselves in the wider community more than the Greeks and have become more integrated.

Riccardo
27-04-11, 14:42
:startled:..it's dangerous because this people might associate italy and real italians with jerseyshorians:shocked:


GUIDOS
http://www.thebigbags.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/guido.jpg
=
LOCAL SPECIES OF TRUZZI, TAMARRI, EMO
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803230046/nonciclopedia/images/7/7f/Due_Truzzi.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803231354/nonciclopedia/images/6/6e/Ragazzi_Truzzi.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090929132057/nonciclopedia/images/9/9e/Truzzo_in_bagno.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080722224517/nonciclopedia/images/3/3c/Truzza.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091017120061/nonciclopedia/images/4/40/Truzzo_Why_Be_Normal%3F.jpg

surprisingly similar, example of teenager subculture movements

They are the hidden and dark side of Italy! Ahahahaha!
Oh my, we should revoke them the citizenship. xD

Sybilla
18-05-11, 13:55
I have natural black hair and nordic pale skin and I am attracted by blonde haired males with light skin. I don't like mediterranean boys. My boyfriend is indeed dark blonde and white and he makes me creazy. So probably in this theory there's something true.

Angela, I think that the cutest southern European women are Italian. Spanish women are more exotic, usually darker skinned and Italian men like this characterist. But I personally find Italian women more armonious in the look and less wild.

Gavroche
18-05-11, 14:57
Please, delete^^

Vallicanus
18-05-11, 18:32
I've seen good looking italian girls and I've seen bad. I don't like the italian people who think they're hot just because they're italian when relly they're not very good looking.

A great example is the television show that is popular in North America, Jersey Shore.... if any of you have seen just one episode you would want to smack your head against a brick wall over and over again. Appearently next season will be done in Italy, god help the real italians.

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/files/2010/01/JerseyShoreFinale.jpg

Che brutti! What ugly mingers.

Drac
18-05-11, 20:47
Angela, I think that the cutest southern European women are Italian. Spanish women are more exotic, usually darker skinned and Italian men like this characterist. But I personally find Italian women more armonious in the look and less wild.

Keep telling that to yourself. It's pretty obvious you have some sort of ridiculous anti-Spanish agenda. If "Italian men like this characteristic" they surely have no need whatsoever to look for it somewhere else, they have plenty of it at home.

Knovas
18-05-11, 21:22
There are a lot of Spanish girls who doesn't look "exotic", and I don't know where is the evidence that they are darker skinned...but well, I think it's true that the Italians like them so much XD

Riccardo
23-05-11, 03:02
There are a lot of Spanish girls who doesn't look "exotic", and I don't know where is the evidence that they are darker skinned...but well, I think it's true that the Italians like them so much XD

Really true! And it's true that they like us too! :P

Vallicanus
23-05-11, 09:28
I have natural black hair and nordic pale skin and I am attracted by blonde haired males with light skin. I don't like mediterranean boys. My boyfriend is indeed dark blonde and white and he makes me creazy. So probably in this theory there's something true.

Angela, I think that the cutest southern European women are Italian. Spanish women are more exotic, usually darker skinned and Italian men like this characterist. But I personally find Italian women more armonious in the look and less wild.


I have seen more dark-skinned "exotic" women in Italy than Spain.

Italian men are rather spoiled by "mammismo", ie they are "Mamma's boys".

DrZaius
24-05-11, 02:45
Italians are more sexy? Says who, Italians? This topic is ridiculous.

When people say they like Italians (sexually) or prefer Italians to, say, Swedes, what they really mean is they prefer swarthy brown eyed brunettes to pale blue eyed blondes. Such a person would likely prefer a well tanned, brown eyed and dark haired man or woman from anywhere in or near Europe to a pale blonde from Italy, so I think this has more to do with a preference for a particular phenotype than a nationality or ethnicity. If you are attracted to 'olive skinned' Latin men or women, chances are you'd be just as attracted to any decent looking person from southern Europe from Portugal to Armenia (and even many from the Levant or north Africa or Latin America).

By the way, the Jersey Shore people are only minimally Italian. Snookie is an Amerindian mestizo from Chile, Ronnie is at least half Puerto Rican (i.e. Spanish with African and Amerindian admixture), JWOWW is half Irish and half 'Spanish' (the term 'Spanish' is anthropologically ambiguous in America, since it is sloppily applied to white Spaniards as well as blacks, Amerindians, mestizos and mulattoes from Latin America).

I find the tribalistic, hyper ethnic conscious vibe of this forum repulsive.

sparkey
24-05-11, 03:15
Italians are more sexy? Says who, Italians? This topic is ridiculous.

Well, Maciamo, a Belgian, proposed the question.


When people say they like Italians (sexually) or prefer Italians to, say, Swedes, what they really mean is they prefer swarthy brown eyed brunettes to pale blue eyed blondes. Such a person would likely prefer a well tanned, brown eyed and dark haired man or woman from anywhere in or near Europe to a pale blonde from Italy, so I think this has more to do with a preference for a particular phenotype than a nationality or ethnicity. If you are attracted to 'olive skinned' Latin men or women, chances are you'd be just as attracted to any decent looking person from southern Europe from Portugal to Armenia (and even many from the Levant or north Africa or Latin America).

I think you're mostly right, although certain phenotype combinations are characteristic of certain populations, and certain phenotypes (usually those reflecting dominant traits) are characteristic of populations with high genetic diversity. Italy has high genetic diversity, relative to most of Europe. I think it's a legitimate question, although I lean "no" as the answer... even the poll on this site (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?26491-Who-is-the-most-attractive-country-in-Europe) is showing that most forumgoers here prefer Swedes to Italians.


I find the tribalistic, hyper ethnic conscious vibe of this forum repulsive.

So... your first post on this forum is to say how much you hate it? :thinking:

A lot of posters here are biased towards certain ethnicities, but I don't find it to be a general "vibe." What do you want us to change?

Riccardo
27-05-11, 16:23
I think this topic is in the wrong section then. If we talk about "being sexy" it is not just a matter of physical features.

Gavroche
27-05-11, 16:52
And it's true that they like us too!But everybody like you...:angry:

On behalf of a jealous french guy...:innocent:

Riccardo
27-05-11, 17:32
But everybody like you...:angry:

On behalf of a jealous french guy...:innocent:

Well, it could be in general terms, but I'm sure that it doesn't depend just on nationality if someone likes you. =)

Anyhow I was just talking about the special feeling beetween Italians and Spanish! ;)

Armin Van Buuren
15-06-11, 21:35
Well I live in Italy and I personally find the idea of italians being beautiful ludicrous. Do not get me wrong, I just find eastern european and nordic women to be more beautiful than italian ones.

alais
13-06-12, 17:21
Well I live in Italy and I personally find the idea of italians being beautiful ludicrous. Do not get me wrong, I just find eastern european and nordic women to be more beautiful than italian ones.

A typical negative post. Usually a single, one post account.

wormhole
10-08-12, 01:15
I am having a hard time distinguishing Italians (especially those from central Italy) from Greeks. It's only clear to me when they start talking :P

There is a saying in Greece: una faccia una razza (meaning same face same race) that we use when we are referring to Italians.

However, I have noticed that southern Italians look more exotic than the central/northern ones. Italian women from southern Italy are considered very sexy in Greece, in fact there are a few Italian actresses that are very successful at the Greek tv :P As for Italian men, i don't find them a lot sexier than the Greek ones, except for their language which I find really sexy

I think you made a typo :P

One can easily distinguish Central Italians from Greeks. Central Italians look more like Croatians/Bosnians. Southern Italians look more Greek/Med, and Northern Italians look Germanic/French.

adamo
13-04-13, 01:48
Yes haha I agree with maciamo, Italians are often good looking people because of the mix of middle eastern and European genes I suppose. I look good I am told and my moms mom is mtdna H, her dad (tested through her brother) is R1b U-152, my dads mom is also H and my dads dad is y-DNA T1a1. So I guess I'm 3/4 typical European genetics and 1/4 rare middle eastern lineage...not that this has anything to do with looks I guess but whatever, I certainly look predominantly like a European white man but with dark hair and brown eyes

dony
27-02-14, 09:15
Just my humble opinion, more beautiful slavics, and sexiest Latinas

Georgewalley
14-05-18, 21:23
Generally I find Southern Italian women more attractive because they often have those large eyes and exotic features which is more rare among North Italians. I think Northern Italians are mainly descendants of Celts, Gauls and Italic tribes while Southerners came via the Mediterranean sea migration by different layer the major part seems Greek/Hellenic and Pre Italic probadly Sardinian like people.

South Italian Women like these are 10/10 for me

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f9/c1/adf9c1800f8998308758a076ccd4bb0a.jpg
https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2854/9031558126_1874fa783c_b.jpg

Angela
14-05-18, 21:59
Generally I find Southern Italian women more attractive because they often have those large eyes and exotic features which is more rare among North Italians and Europeans in generally. I think Northern Italians are mainly descendants of Celts, Gauls and Italic tribes while Southerners came via the Mediterranean sea migration by different layer the major part seems Greek/Hellenic and Pre Italic probadly Sardinian like people.

I highly doubt that. Sardinians are, for one thing, the "darkest" of the Italian groups. They have their own particular look, but most of them look far, far, more "southern" than northern imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4m_WBLsug8


Northern folk group: there are no Sardinians who look like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgut3SySCZ4

Central Italians:

Francesco de Gregori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdVr-YAMlUo

Marco Mengoni: by far the handsomest Italian singer performing today imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unRjK82bDLw

ToBeOrNotToBe
15-05-18, 00:30
Obviously not, though Italians can be pretty good looking. Not Swedish good, but it depends on your taste.

The women tend to look better than the men, as is true for most Aurignacoid (phenotypically) populations.

Salento
15-05-18, 01:45
Funny how you celebrate the result of how your ancestors got raped by different kinds of invaders as something positive.

This site became the haven for race mixers and globalists.

What a joke

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

Nobody is celebrating rape.
A Forum is a place where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
You do it too, just like us.
Italy during the Roman Empire had many Slaves.
The Slaves weren’t doing the raping. Invasions happens too.

Leandros
15-05-18, 02:08
Nobody is celebrating rape.
A Forum is a place where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
You do it too, just like us.
Italy during the Roman Empire had many Slaves.
The Slaves weren’t doing the raping. Invasions happens too.Its not a coincidence that people want to connect with their ancestors in a genetic and cultural level.

Having genes from invading elements is proof that your ancestors lost and teansformed and you are not a descendant of them but of the conquerors who inserted their genes.

Thats despised everywhere and celebrating "genetic diversity" when it is proven that it utterly destroys and transforms nations, is at least idiotic.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

Salento
15-05-18, 02:22
@Leandros
We all have our own opinions.
I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming a bad translation. If I am wrong my ancestors are turning in their graves.

davef
15-05-18, 04:11
Funny how you celebrate the result of how your ancestors got raped by different kinds of invaders as something positive.

This site became the haven for race mixers and globalists.

What a joke

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

We all descend from different groups who mixed.

Salento
15-05-18, 04:23
@Leandros Remember this Thread.
People have been expressing their view about the Appearance of my people, the Italians.
Some are nice, some are not.
We’re ok with it. We read it with curiosity.
Do the same when your People will be under the same scrutiny.
When I will tell you what I really think about the way you look and behaves.

Ygorcs
15-05-18, 04:26
The "we are all mixed" argument to your leftist friends. Not me.

I dont have african or mongoloid admix nor is my Nation a melting pot of different races.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

They obviously didn't need to have come from so far away. If you delude yourself believing that you don't have a lot of non-Greek ancestors hundreds and especially thousands of years ago, especially from just the other side of the Aegean (you know, what today you probably name "those barbarian Turks and Arabs"), you're not just tremendously ignorant of genetics and history (including that of your own country), but also a bigot who refuses to come to terms with the reality. Or don't conquests and migrations of thousands of years ago count as "invasions"? Intriguing.

Probably, like most combinations of ignorance and racism/ethnocentrism, you're focusing too much on physical appearance and forgetting that many peoples who looked pretty similar to you were nonetheless total foreigners, speaking other languages and belonging to other cultures - and yes, these foreigners invaded and mixed with the locals that you naively believe were your only ancestors, who supposedly stayed put for thousands of years in the same place. LOL You have a lot to learn - but first you will probably need to improve your system of values, too, because real science will inevitably blow your narrow-minded ideology.

Ygorcs
15-05-18, 04:29
Funny how you celebrate the result of how your ancestors got raped by different kinds of invaders as something positive.

This site became the haven for race mixers and globalists.

What a joke

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

Stop this trollish provocation. Another disrespectful comment like this one and you will receive an infraction (and members of this forum must've noticed that I refuse to give anyone any infraction unless some member is really asking for it). Watch your words when you post, or at least try to express your ideas in a more intelligent and civilized (oh the irony) way. Or else be silent.

Salento
15-05-18, 04:30
The "we are all mixed" argument to your leftist friends. Not me.

I dont have african or mongoloid admix nor is my Nation a melting pot of different races.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

All Humans, originated in Africa.
you too. Remember this pic?
http://i.imgur.com/nouOWmb.jpg

Leandros
15-05-18, 04:31
All Humans, originated in Africa.
you too.
http://i.imgur.com/nouOWmb.jpgI believe in polygenesis.
Out of Africa is a theory. I dont accept it.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

Leandros
15-05-18, 04:34
Stop this trollish provocation. Another disrespectful comment like this one and you will receive an infraction (and members of this forum must've noticed that I refuse to give anyone any infraction unless some member is really asking for it). Watch your words when you post, or at least try to express your ideas in a more intelligent and civilized (oh the irony) way. Or else be silent.I dont ever use trollish provocation. But, ill respond to provocative posts with the same manner.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

Ygorcs
15-05-18, 04:40
I believe in polygenesis.
Out of Africa is a theory. I dont accept it.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a

You know the scientific community and the entire rest of the world couldn't care less about what you believe and what you just can't accept (we all can imagine why).

Oh, and just a minor thing to add: you just deservedly earned an infraction (my 1st ever here, so let's celebrate together). You won't name people "retards" and say things like "shove it" easily here. Get used to this little thing we may call "acting like a civilized adult".

davef
15-05-18, 05:45
The "we are all mixed" argument to your leftist friends. Not me.

I dont have african or mongoloid admix nor is my Nation a melting pot of different races.

Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
I meant to say everyone in Europe is a mixture of prehistoric hunter gatherer, farmer and steppe.
That's what I meant by mixed.

Salento
15-05-18, 05:58
@Leandros
We all have our own opinions.
I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming a bad translation. If I am wrong my ancestors are turning in their graves.

And they are spinning, and spinning. I was wrong. :(
:)

Angela
15-05-18, 06:50
Why are you people arguing with some refugee Stormfront ***** who doesn’t have the faintest clue about genetics, certainly not Greek genetics? That’s if he’s even Greek.

Anyone else who wants to join the departing train out of here by posting some more ignorant comments, by all means go ahead.

Sile
15-05-18, 07:49
This thread should be closed ......

Angela
15-05-18, 10:21
In the future please report all such posters.

Angela
15-05-18, 12:24
Generally I find Southern Italian women more attractive because they often have those large eyes and exotic features which is more rare among North Italians. I think Northern Italians are mainly descendants of Celts, Gauls and Italic tribes while Southerners came via the Mediterranean sea migration by different layer the major part seems Greek/Hellenic and Pre Italic probadly Sardinian like people.

South Italian Women like these are 10/10 for me

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f9/c1/adf9c1800f8998308758a076ccd4bb0a.jpg
https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2854/9031558126_1874fa783c_b.jpg

Have you never heard of the reverse image search? The first woman is definitely not Italian. Her name is Lucine Ayanian. In addition the pictures are from a ***** site.
There are consequences here for providing false information in order to ***** other groups . You do this again and you are in serious trouble.

ihype02
15-05-18, 13:58
Beauty is subjective.