stuibhard
Junior Member
I love this info.
I know this info comes from ISSOG and not you- but to say that the current population living in an area once inhabited by an ancient one still reflects that ancient one may be a stretch. Probably accurate to a degree but it can稚 be trusted in my opinion unless we are talking recent history (Vikings were the last of the great European migratory pushes and their migration via DNA is very obvious). Speaking only of Europe, the amount of wars, migration and intermingling has been so great that I知 not sure we can draw any conclusions that today痴 peoples reflect ancient populations.
To me, what is more telling is not what is represented genetically today within a given current population but rather what is absent from that population. For instance, I2 is non-existent in Scandinavia. Why is that so when it is older than the rest of Haplogroup I and had more opportunity to get there? Some force- either nature or man kept them out.
It should be pointed out as well that these ancient European cultures were built upon older, truly ancient groups, many which may now be extinct or marginally represented today due to the reasons sited earlier. I know this to be true because I belong to such a group.
My group is I2, still around today and found in very high concentrations in southeastern Europe and Sardinia・ut my family is from Scotland. Further investigation reveals me to be I2*-A, which is Ancient I2, meaning I have none of the later mutations that define present-day Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Sardinians and the like. My group pre-dates even the known ancient cultures and peoples, so its not quite accurate to say I2 is a Slavic group (you aren't stating that but it is very common on the web)- but one can say that today it's various subclades are primarily found in modern-day southern Slavs in the highest concentrations.
I2*-A, and its cousins I2*-B and I2*-C are still found throughout Europe and just east of the Urals and into Anatolia but in extremely low frequencies in all areas. That diversity and low frequency is one of the distinctions of the group. Due to its age its likely had ample time to have its members slowly extinctualized by others. At one time it may have constituted a major group but so much time has passed, so many new groups have popped up, we may never know. This is likely true for R* or R1* which if it exists would be found likely farther to the east (I'm not up on that at all).
So, although I知 I2, I知 not a Slav. I知 the direct descendant of a people who split very early from the pack and are truly ancient. We were there before Stonehenge, before the Picts, before the Romans etc.
I know this info comes from ISSOG and not you- but to say that the current population living in an area once inhabited by an ancient one still reflects that ancient one may be a stretch. Probably accurate to a degree but it can稚 be trusted in my opinion unless we are talking recent history (Vikings were the last of the great European migratory pushes and their migration via DNA is very obvious). Speaking only of Europe, the amount of wars, migration and intermingling has been so great that I知 not sure we can draw any conclusions that today痴 peoples reflect ancient populations.
To me, what is more telling is not what is represented genetically today within a given current population but rather what is absent from that population. For instance, I2 is non-existent in Scandinavia. Why is that so when it is older than the rest of Haplogroup I and had more opportunity to get there? Some force- either nature or man kept them out.
It should be pointed out as well that these ancient European cultures were built upon older, truly ancient groups, many which may now be extinct or marginally represented today due to the reasons sited earlier. I know this to be true because I belong to such a group.
My group is I2, still around today and found in very high concentrations in southeastern Europe and Sardinia・ut my family is from Scotland. Further investigation reveals me to be I2*-A, which is Ancient I2, meaning I have none of the later mutations that define present-day Slavs, Croats, Bosnians, Sardinians and the like. My group pre-dates even the known ancient cultures and peoples, so its not quite accurate to say I2 is a Slavic group (you aren't stating that but it is very common on the web)- but one can say that today it's various subclades are primarily found in modern-day southern Slavs in the highest concentrations.
I2*-A, and its cousins I2*-B and I2*-C are still found throughout Europe and just east of the Urals and into Anatolia but in extremely low frequencies in all areas. That diversity and low frequency is one of the distinctions of the group. Due to its age its likely had ample time to have its members slowly extinctualized by others. At one time it may have constituted a major group but so much time has passed, so many new groups have popped up, we may never know. This is likely true for R* or R1* which if it exists would be found likely farther to the east (I'm not up on that at all).
So, although I知 I2, I知 not a Slav. I知 the direct descendant of a people who split very early from the pack and are truly ancient. We were there before Stonehenge, before the Picts, before the Romans etc.