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motatalea
23-04-09, 17:58
What is the percent of haplogroup J2 in egypt? could you Mr Maciamo find to me alink at which the percent of j2 in egypt is found?

and there is a question is that right that haplogroup J1 percent in egypt is about 20%?

Maciamo
23-04-09, 21:53
There is little J2 in Egypt (about 1%, mostly on the Mediterranean coast). Egyptian J is mostly J1 (over 20%, mostly in northern Egypt).

You can find data for other Middle Eastern countries in the link (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1181965) (table 2) I gave you 3 days ago. You can check here (http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpJ09.html) the SNP's corresponding to each J subclade. For example M172 is J2*.

motatalea
24-04-09, 19:50
There is little J2 in Egypt (about 1%, mostly on the Mediterranean coast). Egyptian J is mostly J1 (over 20%, mostly in northern Egypt).

You can find data for other Middle Eastern countries in the link (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1181965) (table 2) I gave you 3 days ago. You can check here (http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpJ09.html) the SNP's corresponding to each J subclade. For example M172 is J2*.

Hi Maciamo ,1-Could you try please to find to me a link at which the percent of E1b1b1a haplogroup in egypt is found?
and please2- Which haplogroup of those has more frequency in sudan J1 or E1b1b1a or A?
and last but not least I know that J1 percent in egypt is 20% ok please 3-could you tell me what is the percent of its subclade J1e there? and is that right that J1e is the haplogroup of prophet mohammed?

dnabuff
17-10-09, 13:10
Many of Prophet Muhammads descendants are J2. The Royal Jordanian family are J2 and so are Rabats King ( Morroco) some families from Yemen who are of Muhammads descendants ( They arrived 400 years ago ) tested and it was J2.

Muhammad cant be J1 because he was never originally from southern Arabian Peninsula he is Arab Mustaribah ( Arabised Arab ) from the north , from Abraham Ur of Chaldea and migrated towards the Hijaz areas.

J1 are mostly found in Yemen 80%, Some bedoins in the north, Ghassanids Christian families of Lebanon , Syria, Palestine and Jordan and Causacus area where its at 75%

Qahtanites and Ghassanids ( Christians Arabs from Marib Yemen now in Lebnan, Syria. Jordan and Falastine ) are mostly J1. Many Christians families in south lebanon tested and got J1 results. Many posted their results on Facebook.

These test are done by real people. Its also possible for Ghassanids to have J2 as some were migrants from north and settled with the Pre Islamic Saba people.

National Geo has more extensive studies

Genocentrist
17-10-09, 20:43
Which haplogroup of those has more frequency in sudan J1 or E1b1b1a or A?

North Sudanese except the Beja - J1
Beja & Darfurians - E1b1b1a-M78
South Sudanese - A


A link on a good study on Sudan, with the detailed DNA results for each Sudanese ethnic group:

Y-Chromosome Variation Among Sudanese: Restricted Gene Flow, Concordance With Language, Geography, and History (http://thegeneticatlas.com/study_hassan2008.htm)

Maciamo
19-10-09, 11:17
Many of Prophet Muhammads descendants are J2. The Royal Jordanian family are J2 and so are Rabats King ( Morroco) some families from Yemen who are of Muhammads descendants ( They arrived 400 years ago ) tested and it was J2.

How do you know that ? Could you post a link referring to the study of the Royal Jordanian family belonging to haplogroup J2.



Muhammad cant be J1 because he was never originally from southern Arabian Peninsula he is Arab Mustaribah ( Arabised Arab ) from the north , from Abraham Ur of Chaldea and migrated towards the Hijaz areas.

That's just speculation. Based on his geographic origin he could just as well be E1b1b, T or even A, B, L, Q, R1a or R1b.

armah
25-01-10, 21:47
There is little J2 in Egypt (about 1%, mostly on the Mediterranean coast). Egyptian J is mostly J1 (over 20%, mostly in northern Egypt).



well, you are wrong since Arredi et. al 2004 report that the j1 in Upper Egyptians around 21% while the northern's have about 10%

Maciamo
26-01-10, 12:09
well, you are wrong since Arredi et. al 2004 report that the j1 in Upper Egyptians around 21% while the northern's have about 10%

That's J1, not J2. I suppose you are referring to this study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1216069/pdf/AJHGv75p338.pdf). It doesn't give the exact percentage, but from the map it looks like there is about 10% of J2 in northern Egypt and 2-3% in southern Egypt. I admit that there may be more J2 in Egypt than I thought. Egypt has been invaded many times by its neighbours in ancient times (Hittites, Assyrians, Sea people, Lybians, Greeks, Romans...), and these neighbours had a lot of J2 lineages, so it isn't very surprising to find 10% of J2 in the north.

GIFT_OF_ISIS
11-03-10, 06:31
How do you know that ? Could you post a link referring to the study of the Royal Jordanian family belonging to haplogroup J2.



We have not seen an answer and I'm sure no such study exists.

willy
18-03-10, 03:04
Muhammad cant be J1

No he is probably G2a

GIFT_OF_ISIS
26-09-11, 19:32
The Royal Jordanian family are J2 and so are Rabats King ( Morroco)

How do you know?




Muhammad cant be J1 because he was never originally from southern Arabian Peninsula he is Arab Mustaribah ( Arabised Arab ) from the north , from Abraham Ur of Chaldea and migrated towards the Hijaz areas.

Muhammad had in his official genealogy 23 generations from Abraham, which is too little for 2200 years.

Moreover, J1 is abundant in Mesopotamia. It actually originated in Northern Mesopotamia.

Kardu
27-09-11, 10:34
We should also remember that during early medieval and medieval times Egypt was ruled by Mameluks who were mostly of Circassian and Georgian origin. 18th century ruler Ibrahim-Bey (Shinjikashvili) was even my far relative. So many J2 and J1 in Egypt could be of recent origins and from the Caucasus and not from Hittites etc.

Christos
02-06-13, 01:00
Hi Everyone...I am new to this forum but wanted to share my recent DNA data results. My paternal line is J2a1b*. My grandparents are from Campania in Southern Italy (Napoli) and I am a 3rd generation American. I always considered myself of Italian lineage but after reading many of the posts, I am now considering that my paternal lineage may have flourished further "east" (i.e. Balkans) than previously thought. I have had my raw data further analyzed and was provided with J2-M67 marker. I am somewhat confused by having (2) separate halpogroups or is J2a1b* only a mutation of the J2 group? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you

adamo
02-06-13, 01:11
Your paternAl ancestor originated in the northern Middle East, Mesopotamia also known as the Fertile Crescent. It seems you are M67 positive. M67 reaches its highest frequency in Georgians, Armenians and Chechens. It has even higher frequencies in Ingush and malgobek Caucasus people's. quite a few Cretan and north Italians have it as well (10%). It's found in 5% of southern Italians. It originated in the Caucasus region near Chechnya, ingushetia, Georgia, Armenia etc. the ancient Etruscans may have carried this haplogroup to Tuscany in the ancient Etruscan civilization from the northern middle-east.

adamo
02-06-13, 01:19
I would look for Georgia and Chechnya as the areas of origin of M67, I read somewhere thoug that it originated in west-central Georgia.

albanopolis
02-06-13, 01:22
Hi Everyone...I am new to this forum but wanted to share my recent DNA data results. My paternal line is J2a1b*. My grandparents are from Campania in Southern Italy (Napoli) and I am a 3rd generation American. I always considered myself of Italian lineage but after reading many of the posts, I am now considering that my paternal lineage may have flourished further "east" (i.e. Balkans) than previously thought. I have had my raw data further analyzed and was provided with J2-M67 marker. I am somewhat confused by having (2) separate halpogroups or is J2a1b* only a mutation of the J2 group? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you
I am not Dna expert. But you could be Greek too. They are J2a high too. Adano gave you an experts answer. I just wanted to add Greeks.

albanopolis
02-06-13, 01:24
[QUOTE=adamo;409274]I would look for Georgia and Chechnya as the areas of origin of M67, I read somewhere thoug that it originated in west-central Georgia.[/QUOTE
I thought that J2a is greek related, no?

adamo
02-06-13, 01:27
Yeah but those M67 Greeks arrived to Greece from the Caucasus anyways once ago.

albanopolis
02-06-13, 01:31
Yeah but those M67 Greeks arrived to Greece from the Caucasus anyways once ago.
What about J2b that Albanians seem to be high? Its a local clade or arrived from somewhere?

adamo
02-06-13, 01:35
J2b originated in the extreme southern-Balkans in the Greece/Albania extreme southern Macedonia area. I refer to it as being "Greco-Albanian" J2. It also arrived anciently from the Middle East but entered the greek peninsula region via Thrace while most J2a was still in the Middle East. It began to pick up its own mutations and evolved into J2b from J2. Highest frequencies in Greece, Albania and north-central Italy (J-M102). It's European J2, greek J2 to be more presence, found in ancient villagers across north-central Greece and the Albanian mountains. The Greeks spread it mostly, but they also spread J2a, as the Greeks had originally absorbed middle eastern J2a as well.

adamo
02-06-13, 01:39
The Greeks are fathers of J2b but they would also absorb invaders from the Middle East with J2a as well. Middle eastern J2 would create J2b in the Balkans as well as north-African E3b would create E-v13 in e Balkans too. Later on, J2a from the Fertile Crescent/Mesopotamia would be absorbed by Greeks as well.

zanipolo
02-06-13, 01:40
Hi Everyone...I am new to this forum but wanted to share my recent DNA data results. My paternal line is J2a1b*. My grandparents are from Campania in Southern Italy (Napoli) and I am a 3rd generation American. I always considered myself of Italian lineage but after reading many of the posts, I am now considering that my paternal lineage may have flourished further "east" (i.e. Balkans) than previously thought. I have had my raw data further analyzed and was provided with J2-M67 marker. I am somewhat confused by having (2) separate halpogroups or is J2a1b* only a mutation of the J2 group? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you

keep this link , they are quick in updated haplogroup

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpJ.html

there is reading material below, enjoy

adamo
02-06-13, 01:42
Wherever there are traces of J2b, there are traces of Greeks as well.

adamo
02-06-13, 01:44
For example, certain Armenians can have low % traces of J2b as they where hellenized, but the majority of the original J2 Armenians where and today are J2a M410, a middle eastern origin Clade, even though it can be found in Crete, Italy etc from definite middle eastern influence.

albanopolis
02-06-13, 01:55
Wherever there are traces of J2b, there are traces of Greeks as well.
Is it the case in Greek Sicilia?

adamo
02-06-13, 06:09
No there is more J2a in Sicily in general but north-central Italy has 10% J2b and 10% J2 M67

Christos
02-06-13, 17:17
Thanks for your feedback everyone! More research for me!

adamo
02-06-13, 19:55
The highest global frequencies of M67 are found in several Nakh people's (Chechens,Ingush), Georgians (18-20%), north-central Italians (10%), and Turks (10%), M67 originated in the Caucasus mountains near Georgia/Armenia and from there spread to north-central Italy via turkey.

adamo
02-06-13, 19:56
http://gentis.ru/img/y/M67.gif. Highest frequencies of M67 on a map. It's really centred around Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the extreme southern Russian Caucasus, its a northern extension of middle easterners such as mesopotamians. It arrived to Italy via this northern middle eastern region, the Caucasus.

RHAS
22-08-13, 20:27
"IE-speaking Iranians have largely the same haplogroups as Arabs, but a much higher representation of haplogroup J2 compared to J1. The converse is true for all Arabs except the Lebanese. But, we do know, that even in Lebanon itself, Muslims have a higher J1/J2 ratio than Christians, and Islam was the main vehicle of Arabization in the region. The Christians are descended from the pre-Arab Byzantine Greco-Aramaic populations."
Coastal-inland differences in Y chromosomes of the Levant.
http://dienekes.blogspot.nl/2009/08/coastal-inland-differences-in-y.html (http://dienekes.blogspot.nl/2009/08/coastal-inland-differences-in-y.html)