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Cambrius (The Red)
08-11-09, 03:58
Which mt-DNA haplogroups are considered Nordic?

Chris
08-11-09, 09:54
Which mt-DNA haplogroups are considered Nordic?

U4 I think.

Wilhelm
09-11-09, 02:19
K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

Cambrius (The Red)
09-11-09, 02:35
All K is Alpine. Believed to have originated in N. Italy or Switzerland.

Semitic Duwa
07-03-10, 16:10
K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

J1b1, J1a, J1c and subclades of J2 and T2b are considered Nordic.

rogers
12-03-10, 13:20
I would have thought subclades of U like U5b.

Nasturtium
12-03-10, 19:21
23andme comes up with these if you search "Viking":

J1 - J1a2-16192
I - though rare now
T1 - " "
H4

In each case, they're being introduced to Scandinavia through Viking raids. U4a and U4b are very good candidates for being ancestral (per 23andme).


In regards to the J1 link...J1a2-16192...does anyone know how to determine if I have the correct allele for this Viking link? I'm classified as J1a* by 23andme, J by deCODEme, J1c3a if I try to calculate it using Jim Logan's paper on Haplogroup J:

http://www.jogg.info/41/Logan.htm

I have these results for cCRS 16192:

4001097 A or C C
4001099 C or T C

At deCODEme, there's a very strong pattern of Northern Europeans matching highly on one particular region on the X chromosome. My highest matches are a Swedish woman and Norwegian man, with high matching on the X.

Reference Links:
dbSNP Lookup (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/SNP/snp_ref.cgi?rs=i4001097)
Google Scholar (SNP) (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=i4001097) dbSNP Orientation: Plus
dbSNP Genotype: C

Maciamo
13-03-10, 11:22
It's hard to answer the OP's question because Nordic haplogroups are also found in the rest of Europe. Based on frequencies alone, H1, H3, J1, T2, U4 and U5 are all widespread in Scandinavia, but their origins are various.


All K is Alpine. Believed to have originated in N. Italy or Switzerland.

That's a misconception. K originated in the Middle East, somewhere between Egypt and Mesopotamia. There isn't a lot of reliable mtDNA data from the Middle East, but the 23andMe map shows that K peaks in Egypt (around 25%) and a study of the Middle East gave similarly high figures for Iraq. K, along with J, is one of the typical Neolithic farmer haplogroups. K is also found in ancient Indo-European populations (e.g. Bronze-age Russia or Central Asia where R1a1 was found), which indicates that Indo-Europeans probably took wives among their southern neighbours.

Carlitos
19-09-10, 16:40
I took the test in Igenea, my mitochondrial DNA is J and the result I got is Celtic origin Europe, does that mean that in the Neolithic my mother was not yet in the Iberian Peninsula and arrived with subsequent migration to the Iberian Peninsula?

Yorkie
08-10-10, 14:15
Frankly, I don't know why 23andme just list J1-J1a2, I, T1 and H4 as 'Viking'. U5a1a has been found in 'Viking' remains, and U5a1 has a peak in Scandinavia. Equally good candidates one would think..

willy
13-10-10, 00:40
It's hard to answer the OP's question because Nordic haplogroups are also found in the rest of Europe. Based on frequencies alone, H1, H3, J1, T2, U4 and U5 are all widespread in Scandinavia, but their origins are various.



That's a misconception. K originated in the Middle East, somewhere between Egypt and Mesopotamia. There isn't a lot of reliable mtDNA data from the Middle East, but the 23andMe map shows that K peaks in Egypt (around 25%) and a study of the Middle East gave similarly high figures for Iraq. K, along with J, is one of the typical Neolithic farmer haplogroups. K is also found in ancient Indo-European populations (e.g. Bronze-age Russia or Central Asia where R1a1 was found), which indicates that Indo-Europeans probably took wives among their southern neighbours.

J1 mt came to Scandinavia from the Caucasus if you want the " near east " ... J mt is Indo Aryan found in the Kalash people and in Sweden Norway Finland we can say J1 is viking yes no doubt . That story that IE took wives among their southern neighbors is completely false

willy
13-10-10, 00:43
J1b1, J1a, J1c and subclades of J2 and T2b are considered Nordic.
Yes Semitic definitively right ! this mt haplogroup is also found in the Kalash people who is from an Indo Aryan stock .

willy
13-10-10, 00:44
K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

Don't forget J1c mt who is Germanic - Nordic

foryouandme
20-06-12, 00:11
Well here's an interesting link from PLoS One:

Genetic Diversity among Ancient Nordic Populations
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912848/

foryouandme
20-06-12, 00:15
Table 1

Individual
Coding sequence
HVR-1 region nt16064–16405
Haplogroup


D1
7028T, 12308G
16356C
U4


D2
7028T, 12308G
16114A, 16192T, 16256T, 16270T, 16294T
U5a


Bt1
7028T, 12308G
16179T, 16356C
U4



View it in a separate window (http://www.eupedia.com/pmc/articles/PMC2912848/table/pone-0011898-t001/?report=objectonly)
Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Neolithic site Damsbo (4,200 YBP) and the Early Bronze Age site Bredtoftegård (3,300–3,500 YBP).
D1 and D2, Damsbo; Bt1, Bredtoftegård.

Table 2

Individual
Coding sequence
HVR-1 region nt 16064–16405
Haplogroup


B1
7028T, 10034C
16129A, 16223T, 16391A
I


B2
7028T
16126C, 16355T, 16362C
R0a


B3
7028T, 12308G
16129C, 16183C, 16189C, 16362C
U2e


B4
7028C
CRS
H


B5
7028T, 10034C
16129A, 16223T, 16304C, 16391A
I


B6
7028C
CRS
H


B7
7028T, 12308G
16074G, 16189C, 16192T, 16249C, 16270T
U5b


Si2
7028C
16189C
H


Si4
7028C
16172C, 16311C
H


Si5
7028T, 10034C
16129A, 16223T, 16391A
I


Si6
7028C
16093C, 16221T
H


Si8
7028T, 12308G
16192T, 16270T, 16304C
U5b


Si9
7028T, 15607G
16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C, 16362C
T2b


S1
7028T, 13708A
16069T, 16126C
J


S2
7028T, 12308G
16224C, 16311C
K


S3
7028C
16304C
H


S4
7028C
16311C
H


S5
7028C
16162G, 16266T, 16319A
H


S6
7028C
16299G
H


S7
7028T, 4580A
16298C
V


S9
7028T, 13708A
16069T, 16093C, 16126C
J


S11
7028T, 12308G
16093C, 16224C, 16311C
K


S13
7028T, 12308G
16343G, 16390A
U3a


S14
7028C
16263C, 16319A
H



View it in a separate window (http://www.eupedia.com/pmc/articles/PMC2912848/table/pone-0011898-t002/?report=objectonly)
Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Roman Iron Age sites Bøgebjerggård (AD 1–400), Simonsborg (AD 1–200) and Skovgaarde (AD 200–400).
B1–B7, Bøgebjerggård; Si1–Si9, Simonsborg; S1–S14, Skovgaarde.

Table 3

Individual
Coding sequence
HVR-1 region nt 16064–16405
Haplogroup


G1
7028T, 12308G
16126C, 16224C, 16311C, 16320T
K


G2
7028C
16278T
H


G3
7028C
16093C, 16212G, 16222T, 16255A
H


G4
7028C
16213A
H


G5
7028T, 12308G
16256T, 16270T, 16399G
U5a


G6
7028T, 10034C
16129A, 16223T, 16391A
I


G7
7028T, 14470C, 8705C
16189C, 16223T, 16255A, 16278T
X2


G8
7028C
16174T
H


G9
7028T, 15607G
16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C
T2


G10
7028C
16172C, 16304C
H


G11
7028T, 12308G
16172C, 16256T, 16399G
U5a


K1
7028T, 12308G
16189C, 16318T
U7


K2
7028T
16129A, 16223T, 16391A
I


K3
7028T
16069T, 16126C
J


K4
7028T
16126C, 16174T, 16266T, 16294T, 16304C
T


K5
7028C
CRS
H


K6
7028C
16221T
H


K7
7028T
16129A, 16223T, 16391A
I


K8
7028C
16129A, 16316G, 16360T
H


R1
7028T, 15607G
16126C, 16153A, 16294T
T2


R2
7028T, 12308G
16093C, 16224C, 16311C, 16319A
K


R3
7028T, 13708A
16069T, 16126C
J


R5
7028C
16261T, 16296T, 16304C
H


R6
7028T, 12705T
16147A, 16172C, 16195C, 16223T, 16248T, 16320T, 16355T
N1a


R9
7028C
rCRS
H


R10
7028T, 13708A
16069T, 16126C
J


R11
7028T, 13708A
16069T, 16126C, 16256T
J


R12
7028T, 10034C
12129A, 16223T, 16391A
I


R13
7028T, 12308G
16189C, 16192T, 16270T, 16398A
U5b



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Tabel 3. Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Viking Age burial sites Galgedil (AD 1000), the Christian cemetery Kongemarken (AD 1000–1250) and the medieval cemetery Riisby (AD 1250–1450).
G1–G11, Galgedil; K1–K8, Kongemarken; R1–R13, Riisby.

Barantes
18-06-13, 21:42
Just out of curiousity, do any of you know who may have brought T2B into Iberia? like what tribe/group of people may have done so?

Joey37
22-06-18, 02:21
J1c is Germanic-Nordic? Mine is Irish-Celtic. Hey, maybe one stowed away in a Viking ship and made it to Waterford...would explain why my mother's maternal grandmother was such a light blonde.