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Maciamo
01-01-10, 14:56
I was reading about the French paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox), namely the French suffer a relatively low incidence of coronary heart disease, despite having a diet relatively rich in saturated fats. The French also have the 5th highest life expectancy in Europe, after Iceland, Switzerland, Sweden and Spain.

It had been hypothesised that wine consumption is what lowered cardiovascular diseases and increased life expectancy. France has indeed the 2nd highest consumption per capita among Western countries, after Italy. Switzerland comes third. Scandinavian countries, however, are not big consumers.

If we look at the whole world instead of Europe, Japan, Hong Kong and Australia actually have the world's highest life expectancies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Expectancy_by_Country). These places all enjoy warmer weather than anywhere in Europe. So could the climate be as beneficial as diet ? I had a look at the regional life expectancy data for France (http://insee.fr/fr/themes/tableau.asp?reg_id=99&ref_id=CMRSOS02219), and it was very clear that warmer regions did better than colder regions. If we exclude the Ile-de-France region (Paris), which is first for male life expectancy and second for female, because of its considerably higher GDP per capita, here are the top five and bottom five regions.

Male life expectancy (2006 - highest)

1) Rhône-Alpes : 78.5 years
2) Corsica : 78.2
3) Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur : 77.8
4) Languedoc-Roussillon : 77.5
4) Pays de la Loire : 77.5
5) Aquitaine : 77.4

Male life expectancy (2006 - lowest)

16) Bretagne : 76.2 years
17) Lorraine : 76.1
18) Champagne-Ardenne : 75.9
19) Haute-Normandie : 75.8
20) Picardie : 75.6
21) Nord-Pas-de-Calais : 73.9


The ranking is similar for women.

The climate's influence may have more to do with sunshine than actual temperatures. Alsace is the coldest region of France, but ranks better than the warmer but cloudier North-West. Lower sunshine increases the risk of depression, which in turn messes up with the immune system and overall life expectancy. This may also be why Parisians live longer - because they are less likely to be bored and depressed than people from the countryside.

In addition to the climate, the northern half of France has a butter-based cuisine, while southerners traditionally cook with olive oil. This surely has an incidence on heart diseases, possibly more than wine consumption itself.

Interestingly, the Pays de Loire, which is in the northern half of France, has a high male and female life expectancy. Alsace also does better than other northern regions. Both of them are wine producing regions. But do the French drink more wine because they live closer to the vineyards ? I don't have the regional data for wine consumption, but I doubt it. After all, Switzerland does not produce (much) wine and has the world's third highest consumption. The Belgians and the Danes also drink more wine than, say the Greeks or Australians, who do produce their wine (and Australian wines are among the very best). If it's part of the culture people will drink.

Maciamo
01-01-10, 18:04
I chose France because it is perhaps the only country in Europe that has a clear-cut difference of climate between the temperate north and the mediterranean south, as opposed to small countries, or bigger ones like Germany, Britain or Sweden, where the weather is not vastly different in the main population centres.

Japan also has huge climatic divergences between cool temperate island of Hokkaidō and the subtropical western half of the country. I found the data for life expectancy in each Japanese prefecture (http://www.mhlw.go.jp/toukei/saikin/hw/life/tdfk00/2.html), and although the northern Aomori prefecture indeed has the lowest male and female life expectancy, the overall picture lacks any sort of regional pattern. Male and female life expectancies do not even match most of the time.

The central and mountainous Nagano and Fukui prefectures have the longest average life expectancy. The richer cities of Tokyo and Osaka have average scores. Men in Fukuoka prefecture have one of the shortest national life span, while women have one of the longest. The reverse is true in Aichi prefecture. Why ? I cannot think of any good explanation.

I decided to check the statistics for Italy (http://demo.istat.it/altridati/indicatori/2008/Tab_5.pdf) as well. Climate is not especially better anywhere in Italy, although it does get colder in winter in the north. The length of one's life is not really determined by the region's prosperity. The regional differences are minimal. There is barely one year separating the longest and shortest regional averages. People in Puglia live just as long as in Trento, and those of Sardinia the same as in Piedmont. The only exception is Campania, where life expectancy 1.5 years shorter than the national average for both men and women ! Italy's case is interesting because it shows that people sharing a similar culture and climate (despite all the regional variations for both) have similar life expectancy regardless of regional wealth gaps.

It is strange that Italy should have so little gap between its richer and poorer regions. In Belgium (http://statbel.fgov.be/fr/statistiques/chiffres/population/deces_mort_esp_vie/tables/index.jsp) and Spain (http://www.ine.es/jaxiBD/tabla.do?per=12&type=db&divi=IDB&idtab=7), the gap is much more marked.

In 2006, Walloon men could hope to live 75.09 years, against 76.90 in richer Brussels, and 78.08 in more egalitarian Flanders - all with similar climate and food. The best evidence that economic wealth plays a decisive role is the provincial discrepancies. Wallonia's richest province (Walloon Brabant) has the highest life expectancy (77.61 for men), while the poorest province (Hainaut) has the shortest (73.71). The gap is huge - almost whole 4 years ! The two provinces are adjacent, and yet the gap is as big as between the French Nord-Pas-de-Calais and the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur region. The same phenomenon can be observed in Flanders, but with only one year between the wealthiest and least well-to-do.

In Spain too, people live less long in the poorer regions of Andalusia, Murcia and Extremadura, and longest in Madrid, Castilla y Léon, La Rioja and Navarra.

LeBrok
01-01-10, 18:45
If it comes to France, this might be relevant:
People living in North or cloudy regions, very often are vitamin D deficient, which causes more autoimmune diseases.
People from big cities have faster access to medical services.

^ lynx ^
01-01-10, 18:46
Well, climate in Iceland and Sweden is not very similar to Spain's. Same goes with gastronomy.

I don't get correlation.

Maciamo
01-01-10, 18:58
Well, climate in Iceland and Sweden is not very similar to Spain's. Same goes with gastronomy.

I don't get correlation.

Exactly. It is very odd that in France life expectancy varies according to the climate and not regional prosperity, in Italy it doesn't vary at all, but if you look at Europe as a whole or at other countries like Belgium and Spain, the GDP per capita (or perhaps human development index) is the best indicator of life expectancy. So how comes that France and Italy are immune to wealth gaps ?

edao
13-02-10, 04:14
Glasgow in the UK is unfortunatley famous for low life expectancy, having grown up their I would put it down to a very poor diet alot of fried, processed foods and a big social problem with alcohol (and im not talking about red wine).

In my opnion i think it a combination of factors Scotland is pretty harsh in winter so people don't spend much time out doors so in general people will not be engaging in as much physical excercise. Coupled with a very poor modern "fast food" diet and a unhealthy consumption of alcohol. You can add in that Glasgow was a major industrial city and has a large working class population.

Scotland in general has a big problem with anti-social drinking and the "devolved":rolleyes2: scottish government has recently tried to impose a minmum pricing on aclohol, there is a situation here where you can buy beer cheaper that a bottle of water.

Shasta
30-03-10, 01:28
I enjoy following a cardiologist's blog. And he has written about both diet and climate - in particular vitamin D3 which our body makes when warm sunshine strikes our skin - helping with an increased life span.

In one of his recent postings he mentioned this about aging and diet.

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/

High HbA1c: You're getting older . . . faster
Over the years, we all accumulate Advanced Glycation End-products, or AGEs.
AGEs are part of aging; they are part of human disease. AGEs are the result of modification of proteins by glucose. AGEs form the basis for many disease conditions.
Accumulated AGEs have been associated with aging, dementia, cataracts, osteoporosis, deafness, cancer, and atherosclerosis. Most of the complications of diabetes have been attributable to AGEs.
There's one readily available method to assess your recent AGE status: HbA1c.
Hemoglobin is the oxygen-carrying protein of red blood cells. Like other proteins, hemoglobin becomes glycated in the presence of glucose. Hemoglobin glycation increases linearly with glucose: The higher the serum or tissue glucose level, the more glycation of hemoglobin develops. Glycated hemoglobin is available as the common test, HbA1c.
Ideal HbA1c is 4.5% or less, i.e., 4.5% of hemoglobin molecules are glycated. Diabetics typically have HbA1c 7.0% or greater, not uncommonly greater than 10%.
In other words, repetitive and sustained high blood glucose leads to greater hemoglobin glycation, higher HbA1c, and indicates greater glycation of proteins in nerve cells, the lens of your eye, proteins lining arteries, and apoprotein B in LDL cholesterol particles.
If AGEs accumulate as a sign of aging, and high blood sugars lead to greater degrees of glycation, it only follows that higher HbA1c marks a tendency for accelerated aging and disease.
Indeed, that is what plays out in real life. People with diabetes, for instance, have kidney failure, heart disease, stroke, cataracts, etc. at a much higher rate than people without diabetes. People with pre-diabetes likewise.
The higher your HbA1c, the greater the degree of glycation of other proteins beyond hemoglobin, the faster you are aging and subject to all the phenomena that accompany aging. So that blood glucose of 175 mg/dl you experience after oatmeal is not a good idea.
The lesson: Keep HbA1c really low. First, slash carbohydrates, the only foods that substantially increase blood glucose. Second, maintain ideal weight, since normal insulin responsiveness requires normal body weight. Third, stay physically active, since exercise and physical activity exerts a powerful glucose-reducing effect. Fourth, consider use of glucose-reducing supplements, an issue for another day.
While HbA1c cannot indicate cumulative AGE status, it can reflect your recent (preceding 60 to 90 days) exposure to this age-accelerating thing called glucose.
If your doctor refuses to accommodate your request for a HbA1c test, you can perform your own fingerstick test.

And with the sunshine vitamin, D3:

TUESDAY, JULY 08, 2008
Vitamin D and programmed aging?
As we age, we lose the capacity to activate vitamin D in the skin.
Studies suggest that, between ages 20 and 70, there is a 75% reduction in the ability to activate vitamin D. The capacity of conversion from 25 (OH) vitamin D to 1,25 di(OH) vitamin D also diminishes.
Holick M. Sunlight and vitamin D for bone health and prevention of autoimmune diseases, cancers, and cardiovascular disease.
From Holick, M. 2006
This would explain why 70-year olds come to the office, just back from the Caribbean sporting dark brown tans, are still deficient, often severely, in blood levels of vitamin D (25(OH) vitamin D). A tan does not equal vitamin D.
Courtesy Ipanemic
A practical way of looking at it is that anyone 40 years old or older has lost the majority of ability for vitamin D activation.
This often makes me wonder if the loss of vitamin D activating potential is nature's way to get rid of us. After all, after 40, we've pretty much had our opportunity to recreate and make our contribution to the species (at least in a primitive world in which humans evolved): we've exhausted our reproductive usefulness to the species.
Is the programmed decline of vitamin D skin activation a way to ensure that we develop diseases of senescence (aging)? The list of potential consequences of vitamin D deficiency includes: osteoporosis, poor balance and coordination, falls and fractures; cancer of the breast, bladder, colon, prostate, and blood; reductions in HDL, increases in triglycerides; increased inflammation (C-reactive protein, CRP); declining memory and mentation; coronary heart disease.
Isn't that also pretty much a list that describes aging?
A fascinating argument in support of this idea came from study from St Thomas’ Hospital and the London School of Medicine:
Higher serum vitamin D concentrations are associated with longer leukocyte telomere length in women
Telomeres are the "tails" of DNA that were formerly thought to be mistakes, just coding for nonsense. But more recent thinking has proposed that telomeres may provide a counting mechanism that shortens with aging and accelerates with stress and illness. This study suggests that both vitamin D and inflammation (CRP) impact telomere length: the lower the vitamin D, the shorter the telomere length, particularly when inflammation is greater.
Data supporting vitamin D's effects on preventing or treating cancer, osteoporosis, lipid abnormalities, inflammation, cardiovascular disease, etc., is developing rapidly.
Now the big question: If declining vitamin D is nature's way of ensuring our decline and death, does maintaining higher vitamin D also maintain youthfulness?
I don't have an answer, but it's a really intriguing idea.

LeBrok
30-03-10, 08:00
Good article Shasta, I'm on 4,000 IU a day of D3, and resveratrol. To the best of my knowledge it should slow my aging somewhat.

Shasta
30-03-10, 12:33
Good article Shasta, I'm on 4,000 IU a day of D3, and resveratrol. To the best of my knowledge it should slow my aging somewhat.

Thanks! I'm a big fan of vitamin D3. I take 8000ius a day. I test to keep my circulating levels between 60 to 70ng/ml year round. Before D3, I had a Gi condition similar to crohns. Now the Gi system is just about all healed up. Other positives I've noticed is I have not had the flu since I began taking D3 four years ago, and the winter blues have gone away.

Cambrius (The Red)
02-04-10, 04:37
Don't forget the flax seed oil...

Wilhelm
02-04-10, 04:56
It is strange that Italy should have so little gap between its richer and poorer regions. In Belgium (http://statbel.fgov.be/fr/statistiques/chiffres/population/deces_mort_esp_vie/tables/index.jsp) and Spain (http://www.ine.es/jaxiBD/tabla.do?per=12&type=db&divi=IDB&idtab=7), the gap is much more marked.
The gap between the lowest and highest in Spain is only 4



In Spain too, people live less long in the poorer regions of Andalusia, Murcia and Extremadura, and longest in Madrid, Castilla y Léon, La Rioja and Navarra.Yet the poorer regions of Spain are higher than some european countries. Spain is 6th in the world , tied with Sweden

LeBrok
02-04-10, 06:17
I don't think we have enough data to pull the right conclusions. The differences are too small to find one big factor to explain them.

Shasta
03-04-10, 15:52
Don't forget the flax seed oil...

I like flax seed oil and take some from time to time. It is high in ALA omega 3. The problem with it is that ALA is poorly converted in the body to the omega 3s EPA/DHA found in fish oil - which is what your body uses best.

From what I've read, when it comes to increasing life spans a 2 to 1 or even better 1 to 1 omega 6 to omega 3 ratio is best. An omega 3 index level that is 10% or higher is associated with fewer sudden cardiac events.

Here is an article i liked that discusses omega 3 index levels:

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/omega-3-index-10-or-greater.html

^ lynx ^
03-04-10, 16:32
The gap between the lowest and highest in Spain is only 4.

Indeed... and if you take out the City of Ceuta, the gap is 2,5 approximately.

^ lynx ^
03-04-10, 16:51
World Health Organization Statistical Information System:

http://www.who.int/whosis/en/

A nice database to compare health indicators betwen countries all over the world.

denaria
04-08-10, 13:20
I can think of a lot of factors that influence life expectancy outside of diet, climate and genetics. For example:

1) France and Japan have very high antibiotic use; it's quite probable that adults will have taken antibiotics every year of their lives. In contrast, the UK tries to limit antibiotic use to combat drug resistance, and a typical UK adult may only take antibiotics every 5 or 10 years. But there is some evidence that heart disease is partially caused by bacterial damage earlier in life; damage that may have been avoided by antibiotic use.

2) The Spanish refer to the 1940s and 50s as the hungry decades. The aftermath of the civil war resulted in near famine conditions. Elderly Spaniards grew to adulthood in those years (you can see how short they are compared to their children and grandchildren) and I assume a significant proportion of their siblings were lost to disease and malnutrition. So the ones who are alive now survived the cull, and are REALLY tough. No wonder they're living to a very ripe old age (and nothing to do with the so-called Mediterranean diet; what Spaniards actually eat is lumps of pork swimming in lard.)

^ lynx ^
04-08-10, 17:32
Life expectancy at birth by World Health Statistics 2010: http://www.who.int/whosis/whostat/2010/en/index.html

Year 2008, for both sexes:

Belgium 80
Bulgaria 73
Canada 81
Croatia 76
Cyprus 80
Czech Republic 77
Denmark 79
Finland 80
France 81
Germany 80
Greece 80
Hungary 74
Iceland 82
Ireland 80
Italy 82
Japan 83
Latvia 71
Lithuania 72
Luxembourg 80
Malta 80
Netherlands 80
Norway 81
Poland 76
Portugal 79
Romania 73
Russian Federation 68
Slovakia 75
Slovenia 79
Spain 81
Sweden 81
Switzerland 82
UK 80
USA 78


Greetings.

LeBrok
04-08-10, 17:48
Eradication of parasites from our lives by improved hygiene and food testing, is also one of main factors why we live longer. Lies, flees, tape worms, hook worms, etc list is actually pretty long.

Mako
26-08-10, 18:43
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/05/10/indian-man-survives-without-food-and-water-baffles-doctors/#ixzz0xjOJdd4n

Mako
26-08-10, 18:44
Prahlad Jani, an 82-year-old yogi who claimed he hadn’t eaten or drunk anything for 70 years , was observed by 30 medics in a hospital in the Indian state of Gujarat. He spent two weeks under constant surveillance in an area equipped with cameras and closed circuit television. During the 15-day period, which ended Thursday, Jani didn’t eat, drink or go to the toilet.

LeBrok
27-08-10, 03:03
lol, looking at his eyesight, I think his brain is gone. That's the organ that burns most of calories. Also it doesn't look that he moved at all for 15 days, and didn't had a thought, that might have saved him.
What kind of life is this? Obviously not for me. :)
Why he didn't eat only for 15 days, and not for half a year? Did he feel hungry all of the sadden? Next time he should be sitting in blazing sun for 15 days, and not in possibly air-conditioned interior.

His bold claim that he didn't eaten or drunk for 70 years is his PR stunt (think money), otherwise he's a liar. If he was a Gandhi, he wouldn't have eaten for 15 days or 70 years and nobody would knew about this. In case of this man all world knows that, hmmm. Regardless, it's against laws of physics.

BTW, welcome to Eupedia, I like your posts, really well written. (well, except this one, lol)

^ lynx ^
10-09-10, 16:20
Japan says over 230,000 listed centenarians can't be found

(AFP) 7 hours ago

TOKYO More than 230,000 people listed as alive and at least 100 years old in Japan cannot be found, including 884 who would be 150 or older, officials said Friday.

Japan, famed for its longevity, launched a nationwide survey after a recent string of grisly discoveries -- including a mummified man in his bed and an old woman's remains in a backpack -- sparked alarm over the fate of many elderly.

The cases also triggered soul-searching over elderly people living in isolation, and public outrage at relatives of those missing who have kept their deaths secret in order to keep receiving their pension payments.

The Justice Ministry said that a search of family registries, which are updated based on residents' notifications, found that 234,354 people recorded as at least 100 years old could not be located at their listed address.

Many of those whose whereabouts were unknown may have died as long ago as World War II or in the post-war turmoil, or may have emigrated without their status being reported to local authorities, the ministry said.

The list included 77,118 people who would be 120 years or older today, and 884 who would be at least 150 years old, the ministry said.

The government has instructed regional legal offices to delete the names of people aged 120 or older if their whereabouts cannot be confirmed.

The ministry said the impact on Japan's life expectancy figures would likely be minimal since these are calculated from separate data gathered in home visits by field workers during national census campaigns.

Japan's health ministry reported in July that the average life expectancy was a world-record 86.44 years for women and 79.59 years for men.

Authorities rang the alarm bell over missing elderly when a birthday call by Tokyo officials to a man believed to be 111 years old instead led to a police search that found his three-decade-old mummified skeleton in his bed.

In another case the remains of a Tokyo woman believed to be 104 were found stuffed into her son's backpack, where they had been for more than a decade.

And earlier this month a 58-year-old woman living near Osaka admitted to keeping her father's corpse hidden at home for the past five years.

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jIZ81qj4TAHUCnTOZA8__G5G_fDw

Marianne
27-09-10, 01:55
Around 1960 Greeks and especially Cretans had the highest (or at least one of the highest) life expectancy in the world. Scientists concluded that Cretan Mediterranean diet was the reason for their longevity so this type of diet became really popular around the world and it still is today.

If you take a look at recent life expectancy charts you will see that Greeks are not longer at the top. The climate in Greece hasn't really changed a lot since 1960, but what has changed is the nutrition of Greeks. We have adopted a more western type of diet since our life style has changed. We consume a lot of fast food since there is not enough time to cook nowadays and most of the ingredients are not fresh as they used to be. We used to eat meat once per week or only on holidays but now many Greeks eat meat 3-5 times per week! Red wine used to be present in every meal but now most Greeks drink soft drinks...

I think that diet is a big factor for longevity and my country's life expectancy charts through the years can prove it

LeBrok
27-09-10, 03:56
Here is an interesting thing on longevity from Discover magazine, Live Long and Prospere by Gary Taubes.
"...Still, when Barzilai and his colleagues questioned the near centenarians as part of their aging studies, the genetic determinant of longevity took the researchers by surprise. “When we started recruiting 100-year-olds”, Barzilai says, “we noticed smoothing interesting. They have a family history of longevity. When we asked them, among other things, ‘Why do you think you lived to be so old?’ they usually say, ‘What do you mean? All my brothers and sisters are over 100’. Or ‘My mother was 102, my grandfather was 108’.
“Then we say, ‘OK, tell us really the truth. You ate yogurt your whole life. You were a vegetarian’. But the interesting thing is, we have only 2 percent vegetarians. We have none who exercised regularly, and 30 percent were overweight or obese back in the 1950s, when not the many people were overweight or obese. Almost 30 percent have smoked two packs of cigarettes for more than 50 years. We have one woman, alive now-she’s 107-who celebrated 95 years of two-pack-a-day cigarette smoking. She had four siblings in my study. All of them were over 100. One younger sister died at 102, the poor thing.”
This is not to say that smoking cigarettes won’t prematurely kill the rest of us, or that exercising regularly won’t make us live longer. “What I tell people”. Says Steven Austad, an expert on the biology of aging at the University of Texas Health Science Center, “is that if you want to live to be healthy 80-year-old, you have to eat right and exercise, et cetera. If you want to live to be a healthy 100-year-old, you have to have the right parents.”..."

childfont
29-01-11, 11:15
The warmer climatic regions have much comfortable lifestyle for people than colder regions & hence it increases their life expectancy which can be proved very nicely using the above post charts.

Mzungu mchagga
01-02-11, 11:45
I tend to agree with Maciamo's theory:

People with good living standards, education and good access to health care seem to have the same life expectancy, regardless where they live in Europe. With people of lower income and education, there seems to be a difference in life style according to the region.
The nutrition of people with low leaving standards in Southern Europe seems to be healthier than the one of people with low living standards in Northern Europe. Heavy meals, especially fast food and industrial products with a lot of chemistry, saturated fats and few roughage is very common among the poorer citizens in the North. Lower temperatures and lack of sun might also play some role, although I think that the effect isn't that important anymore nowadays, compared to like 100 years ago. While unemployed Southeners hang out a lot in the outside with fresh air, unemployed Northeners are mostly in the inside.

spongetaro
03-02-11, 16:28
Interestingly, the Pays de Loire, which is in the northern half of France, has a high male and female life expectancy. Alsace also does better than other northern regions. Both of them are wine producing regions. But do the French drink more wine because they live closer to the vineyards ? I don't have the regional data for wine consumption, but I doubt it. After all, Switzerland does not produce (much) wine and has the world's third highest consumption. The Belgians and the Danes also drink more wine than, say the Greeks or Australians, who do produce their wine (and Australian wines are among the very best). If it's part of the culture people will drink.


Brittany is the region with highest Wine consumption but lowest life expectancy (according to your data). This might also be the result of a strong butter (crepe) alimentation and a polluted water (because of Agriculture)

Garrick
05-02-11, 21:05
I tend to agree with Maciamo's theory:

People with good living standards, education and good access to health care seem to have the same life expectancy, regardless where they live in Europe. With people of lower income and education, there seems to be a difference in life style according to the region.
The nutrition of people with low leaving standards in Southern Europe seems to be healthier than the one of people with low living standards in Northern Europe. Heavy meals, especially fast food and industrial products with a lot of chemistry, saturated fats and few roughage is very common among the poorer citizens in the North. Lower temperatures and lack of sun might also play some role, although I think that the effect isn't that important anymore nowadays, compared to like 100 years ago. While unemployed Southeners hang out a lot in the outside with fresh air, unemployed Northeners are mostly in the inside.

Mzungu mchagga
I agree, it is certainly a major factor is nutrition.

Although this short article is not about the Europeans, but the longevity of the Japanese and especially the inhabitants of Okinawa, it is very impressive and can help in formulating opinions.

Why do the Japanese live the longest?

www.naturalelixir.com/longlife.html (http://www.naturalelixir.com/longlife.html)

himagain
08-01-12, 04:17
What? No mention of genetic longevity?

ultralars
08-01-12, 19:33
Not sure if it's relevant or not but there is this idea out there that a low calorie diet will prolong life and enhance health.

But there is also the fact that people become generally smaller, shorter,etc.

Maybe that has something to do with Japanese longevity compared to say american.

BTW the whole saturated fat is unhealthy idea is complete BS, my brother eats trough a box of butter per week, and basically sometimes just eats butter with a spoon, pure saturated fat.

He is 33, thin and has perfect cholesterol.

also, think of the eskimos and the amount of fat they consume while being in perfect health.

Mzungu mchagga
08-01-12, 21:38
Metabolism has also a lot to do with genes. Although mainstream tendencies do exist, there are always exceptions, as can be seen in your brother. My room-mate also eats a glass of Nutella (chocolate spread) within every two days, and she is really slim. Basically same with me. Some people can drink a lot of alcohol without big damage, others can't.

All these diet and nutrition advices never fully cover every person in the world. I guess in a few years genetic tests can be done so that every person can receive his personal diet recommendation.

ultralars
09-01-12, 12:27
Metabolism has also a lot to do with genes. Although mainstream tendencies do exist, there are always exceptions, as can be seen in your brother. My room-mate also eats a glass of Nutella (chocolate spread) within every two days, and she is really slim. Basically same with me. Some people can drink a lot of alcohol without big damage, others can't.

All these diet and nutrition advices never fully cover every person in the world. I guess in a few years genetic tests can be done so that every person can receive his personal diet recommendation.

I don't believe that some people just have ultra fast metabolisms and can eat whatever they want, in reality they often have slower, as can be seen with the fact that skinny people most often are cold. i am not saying metabolism is static, i am just saying that there is not a big difference and what makes the difference is the amount of food one consume, so fat people would have faster.

The fact that some people can eat more calories while not being active and still not putting on weight, i think is because of problems with digestion, that the body simply does not takes all calories up and to use. just a theory.

LeBrok
09-01-12, 20:58
Fast and slow metabolism means how fast we move food through guts. It is related to fatness of a person but not always. There are skinny people that eat a lot and there are fat people that don't really eat huge portions.
Everybody have fast metabolism when diet consists only with starches and sugars. With meat and vegetables there is a different story.
Some skinny people have a gene mutation that makes them unable to digest or build fat in their bodies.
Also important is the gut bacterial flora is helping and even enabling us to digest different kinds of foods. There is more bacteria in our guts than cells in our bodies. It also have an input how many calories a person will assimilate from food. The timing of feeling full reflex or how strong we feel hunger, plus food taste and smell enjoyment, are other pieces in this puzzle.
Size of a stomach is another factor in fast metabolism. Depending on food type, bacterial flora, gut movement, age of a person, genetics, we could digest from almost 0 to almost 100% calories.

Good dietitian expert would take all of it under consideration, even making few tests and xrays before creating a diet program.
This should be a part of personalized medicine.

I'm horrified of "experts" talking about caloric input same for everyone, and curing all with their one method, and they also know exactly that we all need 8 glasses of water a day, lol. They would do much better if they use relativistic caloric input figures than universal ones.

LeBrok
09-01-12, 21:30
What was discovered recently is that north europeans can carry more body fat, higher body mass index than south europeans, without negative effects. This is consistent with evolutionary past, as north europeans had to consume more fat and get fatter for long winters.

Algernon
11-10-12, 18:48
In my opnion i think it a combination of aspects Scotland is pretty severe during the cold months months season so individuals don't spend much time out gates so in common individuals will not be interesting in as much physical practice. In addition to a very inadequate modern "fast food" diet and a harmful intake of liquor.


Rutherford Health Club (http://adamprowse.com.au/)