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DavidCoutts
04-02-10, 23:09
What is the best company for DNA Ancestry testing?

Thank you.

rms2
05-02-10, 01:29
Family Tree DNA is by far the best in my opinion.

The prices and range of services are excellent. The fact that each customer gets his or her own "myFTDNA" web pages, where matches and all sorts of other pertinent and important information is displayed, is just unbeatable.

FTDNA is the gold standard in dna testing. I know that's been said before, but it's true anyway.

Wilhelm
05-02-10, 03:41
The problem with FTDNA is that you need further test to get to know your subclades. I think the best 23andMe but is also the most expensive. They do also Autosomal DNA

Maciamo
05-02-10, 11:18
It depends what is your purpose. Overall I recommend 23andMe because it is the best value, most complete, fastest to get your results (usually 3 weeks) and allows so much more than simple Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. You will know immediately your deep subclade for both Y-DNA and mtDNA too.

The only thing that 23andMe doesn't do is testing for Y-DNA STR markers. It is only useful if :

1) you are trying to estimate (very roughly) the number of generations between your Y-chromosome (not you) and another man's Y-chromosome. It's quite technical and that's only useful if you are going to study the origins and migration patterns of a specific haplogroup or subclade, or if you are trying to verify if two families sharing the same surname descend from a common ancestors within historical times (but the other family also need to take the sale Y-DNA test otherwise it's meaningless).

2) you are looking for patrilineal or matrilineal relatives

I do not recommend FTDNA, Genebase or other companies selling STR and single SNP tests, because the costs and testing time have no end. The cheapest option to test both Y-DNA and mtDNA at FTDNA costs 200 USD. This test cannot tell you more than your top level haplogroup. You will soon realise that a simple 12, 24 or 37 STR test (or a HVR1 + HVR2 for mtDNA) is not satisfactory at all to determine your subclade. You will then need a SNP test to confirm your haplogroup or subclade, then another one to see if you could not belong to this or that subclade, but a dozen others to verify all the subclades... At the end your bill reaches 1000 USD and all you got is your Y-DNA subclade. Add another 400 USD for your mtDNA haplogroup. The 400 USD of 23andMe start to look amazingly cheap in comparison, because it gives you all this + autosomal DNA worth hundreds of time more.

Some people use DNA tests to find relatives. Few ever find relatives. All the companies present their product as if you could really find someone. Try Ysearch or mitosearch and either you will have no match or thousands of them; depending on your haplogroup and the resolution chosen (everybody gets thousands of matches with 12 STR markers).

23andMe now has a autosomal relative finder. The principle is good, but with just a few (tens of) thousands customers how can you expect to be so lucky as to stumble on a relative within 5 generations that you don't already know about.

Then why would you want to know a 5th cousin anyway ? I personally find it useless unless you were adopted or your father is not your genetic father and your mother won't tell you (or doesn't know/remember whatever) who it is. Even so, you will only find the person you are looking for if they have registered with the same service (highly unlikely). Adopted people typically have dead parents or parents who are too poor or uneducated to take a DNA test for fun. So what's the point ? I don't understand how the whole industry is directed at such people when the only thing that concerns everybody in the world is deep ancestry and ethnic history.

rms2
05-02-10, 16:14
I disagree. STR testing is necessary in order to get some idea of geographic origin and possible membership in a cluster, and one cannot get that with 23andMe.

I spent around three to four hundred dollars with FTDNA, got 67 markers and complete SNP results, and found a second cousin I didn't know existed. I also have a 65/67 match with a man born in England, close haplotype neighbors who seem to cluster in the West Midlands of England (where my English match was born), and that has helped me rethink and cast aside an erroneous line I had been pursuing for a number of years in my paper trail genealogical research.

FTDNA's system allows newbies to get into dna testing relatively cheaply, get their feet wet, learn a bit, and then move on to more advanced testing as they desire it. FTDNA also sponsors dna projects that have contributed a great deal to advancing genetic genealogy.

Cambrius (The Red)
05-02-10, 17:05
Family Tree is recommended by Nat Geo for STR testing.

Maciamo
05-02-10, 17:15
Family Tree is recommended by Nat Geo for STR testing.

They are not "recommended", they are business associates. Family Tree DNA does all the testing for National Geographic's Genographic Project, which by the way is a joke. They only test for 12 STR markers for Y-DNA and HVR1 for mtDNA. That's completely useless for any serious research. What's more National Geographic still hasn't corrected on their site that R1b is not of Paleolithic Western European origin.

Maciamo
05-02-10, 17:29
I disagree. STR testing is necessary in order to get some idea of geographic origin and possible membership in a cluster, and one cannot get that with 23andMe.

That may be useful for haplogroups that have few identified subclades at the moment, like I1, I2b and R1a. But things will change once deeper subclades will be identified. I am personally reluctant to link STR clusters to geographic origins because they don't always match the SNP phylogeny. Just look at the famous Cohanim STR marker, which is the same for people who are J1 and J2. How is that even possible ?



I spent around three to four hundred dollars with FTDNA, got 67 markers and complete SNP results, and found a second cousin I didn't know existed.

And how did that make you feel ? Did you meet that cousin ? Do you have anything in common except genealogy ? I personally do not have much in common even with close family members, much less with first cousins, so I don't see the value of knowing I am the fifth cousin of someone who is a perfect stranger to me. Fifth cousins rarely share more DNA than non-related individuals anyway.


FTDNA's system allows newbies to get into dna testing relatively cheaply, get their feet wet, learn a bit, and then move on to more advanced testing as they desire it. FTDNA also sponsors dna projects that have contributed a great deal to advancing genetic genealogy.

FTDNA was a pioneer in genetic genealogy, that's true. But since 23andMe's entry in the market I have to be honest and say that they just cannot compete any more unless they offer a similar or better product at equal price. I also started with the STR tests a few years ago, so I am talking from experience. It took me months of excruciatingly waiting to get my full Y-DNA results. For the speed of delivery alone I would go a hundred times with 23andMe.

DavidCoutts
06-02-10, 00:36
Gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to reply.

I only wish I'd thought to ask this question BEFORE using EthnoAncestry and Genebase.

Doh!

Cambrius (The Red)
06-02-10, 01:56
They are not "recommended", they are business associates. Family Tree DNA does all the testing for National Geographic's Genographic Project, which by the way is a joke. They only test for 12 STR markers for Y-DNA and HVR1 for mtDNA. That's completely useless for any serious research. What's more National Geographic still hasn't corrected on their site that R1b is not of Paleolithic Western European origin.

Yes, your right, they are associates.

mika68
06-02-10, 09:30
By FamilyreeDNA I found 3 step mutations cousin at 37 markers from USA.
His ancestor moved from Finland to USA.
I'm grateful to the company that I found relatives.
What's surprisingly is that I have not nearer sibling that US cousin in FamilytreeDNA's database, even in Finland.

Maciamo
06-02-10, 11:10
By FamilyreeDNA I found 3 step mutations cousin at 37 markers from USA.
His ancestor moved from Finland to USA.
I'm grateful to the company that I found relatives.
What's surprisingly is that I have not nearer sibling that US cousin in FamilytreeDNA's database, even in Finland.

With mitosearch you can input your mitochondrial mutations and search the database. It doesn't matter with which company you tested. Data is data. Even 23andMe now gives the mutations in the same format as other companies, in addition to the SNP reference number (rs.....).

Then how comes you have close relatives that you didn't know about ? I do not know anybody (outside Internet forums) in that kind of situation. If they are close relatives and you do not have anybody left in your family to ask who they are, I think the easiest and most efficient solution is to ask the government to check the population registry for genealogical purposes. They shouldn't refuse such a request. They can tell you who your parents, grand-parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. are. Once you've got the names, search the telephone directory. Only a fraction of the population has done mtDNA or Y-DNA tests, so you won't be able to find everyone. Then, always double-check with an autosomal DNA test how closely you are related, because mtDNA and Y-DNA can remain unchanged for over 50 generations (well, less for Y-DNA but no company offers a full scan, and STR markers are only a small part of the picture as nobody tests all 700+ STR).

rms2
08-02-10, 19:41
I still think Family Tree DNA is the best bet overall for dna testing. I would also like to do the 23andMe testing, and I may do so sometime in the near future.

But most people are not going to plop down $400-$500 for 23andMe testing unless they already know something about dna testing and genetics. A basic 12-marker y-dna test from FTDNA is still just $99. It gets a person in the door, asking questions and learning. It also whets his curiosity and desire for more.

I was pretty enthused when I found my second cousin because of what started as an exact 12-marker match through Family Tree DNA. I'm still very happy about it.

Are the people at FTDNA perfect? No, but they're damned good.

Maciamo
09-02-10, 00:14
The strong point of FTDNA is their haplogroup and national/regional projects. Apart from that the difference with its main rival, Genebase, is not spectacular. They offer pretty much the same service.

I have had the chance to compare several testing companies for myself, relatives or friends, so I think I can be objective about my recommendations. I know people who had to wait almost 1 year to get their Y-STR results with FTDNA !! I got the first part in about 2 months, but that is still a long wait. 23andMe takes between 2 and 4 weeks.

It's true that prices have decreased over the last two years. For example the mtDNA full sequence at FTDNA used to cost 499$, but is now at 279$. This is only because of competition though. FTDNA dropped its price when Genebase started offering the mtDNA full sequence at 339$.

EthnoAncestry has always been more expensive for STR testing. It used to have a nice haploview test that determined once Y-haplogroup and subclade (except for some R1b subclades) directly through SNP testing. Unfortunately they replaced it with a poor-value 27-STR test (ridiculously priced at 269$, the same price as a 67-STR test at FTDNA).

I would only recommend a 67-STR Y-DNA or full sequence mtDNA test with any company if the price was under 100$ each. In other words it is still at least 2.5 times too expensive now.

A 67-STR Y-DNA still requires additional SNP testing for deep subclades (now priced at 89$ at either FTDNA or Genebase), so the total cost to know both one's Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroup and deep subclade is still at the very minimum 490$ (119$ for a 12-STR + 89$ for deep clade + 279$ for mtDNA full sequence). This is actually more expensive than 23andMe (399$) to get the same information + autosomal DNA.

We were promised full human genome testing for 1000$ this year. I do not see it coming. If it does, all testing companies (23andMe included) will have to slash their prices or offer the same test, otherwise they will go bankrupt. I think that is why the long-awaited affordable complete genome won't be available to the general public for many more years. Too many interests at stake.

Just to give an idea of what companies are testing.

- Deep subclade Y-DNA test (89$ at FTDNA or Genebase) : approx. 10 to 50 SNP's depending on the haplogroup
- Full mtDNA test (279$ at FTDNA) : 16,500 SNP's
- Complete 23andMe test (499$) : 577,000 SNP's
- Complete deCODEme test (985$) : 1,200,000 SNP's
- Full human genome (expected to cost 1000$ by end of 2010) : over 1.5 million SNP's out of 3,000 million base pairs (actual number of SNP's varies between individuals).


Unless one cares only about patrilinear and matrilinear genealogy (something I cannot imagine) there is no reason not to test autosomal DNA. Y-DNA and mtDNA are more popular because aDNA used to be prohibitively expensive. But if one can know his or her full genone for 1000$ and just a tiny part of one's genome for 490$, what do you think rational people will do ?

The big gap was passing from just Y-DNA and mtDNA, or single aDNA SNP's, to millions of SNP's. This step was taken by 23andMe and deCODEme. The full genome will only improve that a bit by revealing rare mutations in all of us, but due to their rarity we almost certainly won't know what they mean, if they have any effect at all on phenotype or health.

It is misleading to tell people that they should start with a cheap Y-STR or mtDNA test. This won't provide much useful information, and the cost of upgrading will be higher than if one orders a complete test from the start. So the bottom line is that FTDNA, Genebase or other similar companies do not at present offer a way to test for both Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial haplogroups and deep subclades for less than 490$ (more if not ordered in a package at the cheapest company). If that is your aim, just go for a 23andMe test; it will save you time and money. If it's too expensive for you, then wait that prices go down. Taking a partial test won't save you money over the long run.

rms2
09-02-10, 20:45
The bottom line is that more people can come up with $99 to try 12-marker y-dna testing or HVR1 testing than can come up with $400 or $500 for what might amount to a better deal in the long run, a bargain they are not equipped to understand before they get very far into dna testing anyway.

The cheaper test gets them into the field, into the databases, into dna projects, asking questions, learning, and potentially open to ordering testing upgrades. Family Tree DNA gives them a nice set of interactive web pages, the "myFTDNA" pages, where they can see their matches and contact them, upload their haplotypes to Ysearch or Mitosearch easily and automatically, order upgrades and a la carte tests, and join dna projects.

Would I like to see FTDNA improve its services in some ways (especially the turn-around time for test results)? Sure!

But I am still convinced that FTDNA is the best overall testing company, especially for introducing new people to the hobby.

LeBrok
09-02-10, 22:13
If that is your aim, just go for a 23andMe test; it will save you time and money. If it's too expensive for you, then wait that prices go down.

What about the real saving? When you know your DNA and predisposition to certain disease you can go preventive to delay the onset or even avoid it completely. Just this can save you tens of thousands of dollars, and improve standard of your life, especially in older age.

Actually these testing can save our medical system. It'll be more costly at the beginning to start testing everyone. But fewer sick people later which equal tons of mula in ours and governments pockets. Not mentioning a better quality of life for most people, increased productivity, bigger GDP, etc.

Having these tools already available, I'm extremely surprised that there is silence on it in mass media, expert panels, politicians, etc
Well except for few visionaries and geniuses, like Mr George Church.

http://www.personalgenomes.org/

He wants to enroll 100,000 participants and test their genome for free. The catch is all your info is public and will serve in giant database.

Maciamo
10-02-10, 00:15
Well except for few visionaries and geniuses, like Mr George Church.
http://www.personalgenomes.org/
He wants to enroll 100,000 participants and test their genome for free. The catch is all your info is public and will serve in giant database.

I thought about it before, but unfortunately it is only for US residents.

rms2
15-02-10, 19:01
I thought about it before, but unfortunately it is only for US residents.

It also sounds too much like work to me! :thinking:

DavidCoutts
15-02-10, 23:42
So the consensus seems to be that it's between FTDNA and 23AndMe. I take it you guys don't rate Genebase or EthnoAncestry?

Maciamo
16-02-10, 00:46
So the consensus seems to be that it's between FTDNA and 23AndMe. I take it you guys don't rate Genebase or EthnoAncestry?

EthnoAncestry is too expensive and doesn't have enough tests.

Genebase and FTDNA are similar, but FTDNA has the projects.

23andMe is the best but only has one all-inclusive test, so it's requires more money from the start.

There is another option that hasn't been mentioned yet, SMGF (http://www.smgf.org/), which offers free Y-DNA and mtDNA tests, but results can get over a year to get and they have special conditions.

rms2
16-02-10, 13:15
So the consensus seems to be that it's between FTDNA and 23AndMe. I take it you guys don't rate Genebase or EthnoAncestry?

My vote goes to Family Tree DNA as the overall best dna testing company. I've been pleased with its services.

23andMe is excellent but a little too pricey for the average person who is just starting to get into genetic genealogy, and it doesn't give one haplotype information.

rogers
12-03-10, 13:19
My vote goes to DecodeMe.

Rudiger Roy
24-04-10, 12:19
Maciamo, what is your opinion regarding dna tests which estimate your percentage of world population groups, e.g. European, Sub-Saharan African, East Asian or Native Amerindians and Caucasian sub-groups : North & S.E. European, Middle Eastern and S. Asian?

Nasturtium
24-04-10, 23:16
I paid for 23andme, and got deCODEme for free. I like both. I uploaded my info to Mitosearch but wasn't impressed. First my mtdna wasn't an option, J1c3 (J1c is), and the limited number of mutations most people use (FTDNA) doesn't differentiate other than basic haplogroups. So far, that hasn't yielded anything interesting. 23andme has a lively forum, new info all the time, and something for everyone. deCODEme has neat tools and functions, and tests more snp's most people want. For example, most people interested in health want their APOE results: deCODEme tests the relevant snp's; 23andme is missing one. I'm happy with what I have...so far 3 people tested, and will receive another test in the next week or so.

Maciamo
26-04-10, 08:31
I paid for 23andme, and got deCODEme for free. I like both. I uploaded my info to Mitosearch but wasn't impressed.

Mitosearch belongs to FTDNA. It's free and anybody can upload their data, but I agree that it is too basic and the search function would benefit from more advanced options (like selecting multiple subclades or geographic regions for searches) and more haplogroups in the list. This applies to Ysearch as well.

Maciamo
26-04-10, 08:39
Maciamo, what is your opinion regarding dna tests which estimate your percentage of world population groups, e.g. European, Sub-Saharan African, East Asian or Native Amerindians and Caucasian sub-groups : North & S.E. European, Middle Eastern and S. Asian?

I think this feature is still in its infancy. Having only three primary populations (European, Asian, African) is a subjective choice. It would be easy to add other primary populations (Aboriginal Australian, Papuan, Dravidian) and splitting the main groups into major subgroups (e.g. Austronesian, Polynesian, East Asian, Siberian, Native American), and eventually in smaller ethnic groups.

It's not very interesting for a European to know he or she is 100% or 99% European. The present tool is only useful for Americans with mixed European, Amerindian and/or African ancestry.

There has been studies attempting to differentiate between the various admixtures found in Europeans, but they are not really reliable yet. Everything will come in due time.

Wilhelm
26-04-10, 14:20
Yes, even Eastern-Africans score high in European, at 23andMe. Indians, Middle-Easterns, North-Africans, Eastern-Africans are in the European group, so, it's not correct to call it 'EUROPEAN' because it is NOT European, europeans are only one group. I hope in the next years they split it in different groups, altough there is always the politically incorrect Racial classification..

Cambrius (The Red)
26-04-10, 14:35
Yes, even Eastern-Africans score high in European, at 23andMe. Indians, Middle-Easterns, North-Africans, Eastern-Africans are in the European group, so, it's not correct to call it 'EUROPEAN' because it is NOT European, europeans are only one group. I hope in the next years they split it in different groups, altough there is always the politically incorrect Racial classification..

You need categories such as Middle Eastern Caucasian, etc. Europeans are White Caucasians and obviously different from other "Caucasians".

I now have doubts about 23andMe.

Eochaidh
11-06-10, 21:11
The American Food and Drug Administration is moving to regulate Genetic testing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37638671/ns/health-more_health_news/


FDA cracking down on genetic tests.
Issues letters to 5 companies that devices must be approved.

The Food and Drug Administration is issuing regulatory letters to five genetic test makers, the first sign that the government is cracking down on companies that claim to use DNA samples to predict inheritable diseases.

The FDA letters notify each company that their tests are considered medical devices and therefore must be federally approved as safe and effective. None of the companies have submitted their products for approval, according to the FDA.

The letters posted online deal with specific tests marketed by: 23andMe Inc., deCODE Genetics, Illumina, Navigenics and Knome Inc.

Alexandros
27-04-13, 15:57
As this discussion needs some updating.. I would say that after the price reduction of 23andme (USD 99) they are by far the most competitive testing company. Geno 2.0 and especially FTDNA are too expensive compared to 23andme. I would go for FTDNA if I wanted very detailed Y-chromosome or mtDNA results (I also really enjoy FTDNA's projects). I would go for Geno 2.0 for more accurate deep ancestry results and their cool online platform (maybe also for the Denisovan admixture..).

zanipolo
27-04-13, 20:24
As this discussion needs some updating.. I would say that after the price reduction of 23andme (USD 99) they are by far the most competitive testing company. Geno 2.0 and especially FTDNA are too expensive compared to 23andme. I would go for FTDNA if I wanted very detailed Y-chromosome or mtDNA results (I also really enjoy FTDNA's projects). I would go for Geno 2.0 for more accurate deep ancestry results and their cool online platform (maybe also for the Denisovan admixture..).

23andme delivery prices outside of Euro and USA are not competitive
- Geno is cheap in that it will reveal more SNP which the others fail to do
-ftdna needs to reorganise itself since its part share with Geno

Dorianfinder
06-05-13, 16:57
23andme delivery prices outside of Euro and USA are not competitive
- Geno is cheap in that it will reveal more SNP which the others fail to do
-ftdna needs to reorganise itself since its part share with Geno

I am an admin for a large project and a small surname Project at FTDNA.

As the admin of the small surname project, the 12 marker ydna test is often provided on sale for $39, this is the cheapest way to do the following:
1. Introduce first-timers to the world of genetic genealogy!
2. Confirm whether or not males with the same or similar surname share the same predicted haplogroup.
3. For $5 FTDNA will send a dna kit anywhere overseas, Africa, Europe, Asia or S. America.
4. This saves money as it allows a type of screening before going for more in-depth and more expensive testing.
5. For example: I tested two males with the same surname and found a third shared the same 12 marker STR values. Then we only had one person deep clad tested to U152-L2*. We then paid $29 for a single end-line SNP (L2) for the other two, both turned out to be positive. Bargain!

Grubbe
12-05-13, 01:01
I have been very satisfied with FTDNA for years.

nordicquarreler
30-06-13, 02:14
Results in from 23 and Me. Differs wildly from DNA Tribes results.

When I have more time I will locate the initial thread where I discussed my perplexing DNA Tribes results. But for now I will say that 23 and Me has results at 99.6% European (DNA Tribes had a high percentage of South American Native American).

Specifically the test shows:
Middle East and North African 0%
Sub Saharan African 0%
South Asian 0%
East Asian and Native American 0%
Oceania 0%

Needless to say I'm confused by the non-matching results.

Tatar
15-08-13, 18:34
I think FTDNA is best. Because you can join to a lot of DNA projects on FTDNA.

DavidCoutts
17-08-13, 14:38
Nobody move - I'm hijacking this Thread!

Since no one answered the Thread I started, I will shamelessly derail this one: has anyone used BritainsDNA Chromo2, and if so, what was their results?

Chakra
26-02-14, 19:39
I have been looking at the conversation regarding companies and wondering what people have to say about www genebase com. Their other site is dna ancestry project dot com (not here long enough to post the link - sorry) I don't work for either or connected with them in any way. Just wondering about peoples experience with them.

I have a couple issues with high cost of the test "Advanced Combo Package (Y-DNA 91 Marker + mtDNA HVR-1 & HVR-2 Test), $448.00 USHighest resolution test for tracing your own ancestry on your paternal and maternal lines. (from the Genebase site)"

There are many options on each site (genebase has more) which is great if you know what your really choosing - apples vs oranges. I would assume the one I choose to c&p here is the most thorough but would I also need an Advanced Degree in genetics to actually understand what I just bought! :useless::depressed:

Thanks
Chakra

Orillion
11-05-14, 20:44
I've had my genome tested by 23andme last year (autosomal + mtDNA + Y-DNA) and am considering offering testing kits to some of my family members who also interested in personal genomics.

However, i have a few questions. I've transferred my results over to FTDNA but they only processed the autosomal part, not the Y-DNA nor the mtDNA. Not that i care much, because autosomal is much more informative and 23andme already gave me my haplotypes anyway.

The old 23andme world map proved much more detailed than the old FTDNA one (even though a portion of the results are debatable), but the new FTDNA MyOrigins looks even more promising. The two companies' results seem somewhat contradictory though, probably because they're using different reference populations in the first place.

With both companies now offering a higher detail level of admixture, which one would you knowledgeable people recommend?

arvistro
23-09-14, 23:03
I also have a question - which reliable company offers the cheapest way to find out my Y haplo and which branch of hg it is?

R.C.H.
12-01-15, 09:21
I recently had FTDNA test my autosomal DNA and my impression is that they're not very accurate.

The results claim that I'm "12% European Jewish". What does that even mean? Jewishness isn't an ethnicity; it's a faith/tradition that *may* (but certainly doesn't always) correlate with ethnicity. The original Jews were Hebrew Israelites who were ethnically Semitic. Over the millennia, many Hebrew Israelite families were part of the diaspora and they intermarried with other ethnicities in their adopted lands. This resulted in the vast majority of Jews in Europe actually being more European in ethnicity than they are Semitic. That's how we end up with someone like the blonde, blue-eyed Bar Rafaeli being considered Jewish when she's ethnically no more than 1/8 Semitic and at least 7/8 Lithuanian, etc.

So what does "European Jewish" mean in the context of ethnicity? AFAICT, all it means is that a person's DNA has at least some markers that connect them to others who have markers that connect them to Hebrew Israelites. Similarly to Bar Rafaeli, I'm blonde with green eyes, and have NW European features. I've seen multiple photos of all 8 of my great-grandparents. None of them look even remotely Semitic; most of them have fair hair and light eyes, and NW European facial structure. All of them on my mother's side were in the US since the Great Migration and all of them on my father's side had been in the British Isles since at least the Renaissance, or northern Germany (where they were very blonde and German-looking). And no, there haven't been any adoptions along the way; I have birth certificates for all 4 generations proving blood-descent.

I certainly don't care one way or the other as to whether I'm ethnically connected to people who were connected to Jews. But it's absurd to consider "European Jews" to be an ethnic group, so it's equally absurd to say that someone is ethnically "12%" of a group that is itself only fractionally ethnically distinct. So unless FTDNA can make its tests more accurate as to actual ethnic background, rather than just tenuous connections to non-ethnic groups, I can't consider them to be very accurate.

Jennycooper
29-04-15, 04:49
I am Genetic researcher at local La Jolla, CA based company Progenesis a leading genetic testing center using latest next generation sequencing technology for diagnosis and screening.

Sile
29-04-15, 07:59
And ?

What do you want to say

fla88
12-05-15, 16:32
If my purpose is to know my ancestry composition best, which test should I buy? I know that Ftdna and Geno 2.0 are the best companies for haplogroups. But what about ancestry composition?
23 and me seems to make mistakes in ancestry compositions. There's a guy I know who's 1/4 German and his percentage of "French and German" is very low. Another guy is 1/2 Sardinian and his percentage of "Sardinian" is low again. Why these mistakes? Is 23and Me ancestry composition reliable?
Thank you !

wlkwos
14-05-15, 23:34
Which is the less expensive?

Fluffy
16-09-15, 17:58
Genebase is by far the worse. Complete waste of money. I'd go with FTDNA.

JackBlack
26-09-15, 04:44
FTDNA, 23andme and Ancestry DNA all have their own pros and cons.

Pros:
FTDNA has a great Family Finder. What I like best about this is the "in common" feature. Most of the people in the Family finder data bank provide their first and last names.

23andme gives provides BOTH your Y and mt haplogroup at no extra charge. They also have a great Ancestry Composition feature. The medical information is a nice extra added bonus.

Ancestry DNA members more often than not have detailed family trees in which you can often find out how you are related to them. If you have a decent family tree, they will give you a list of people who share an exact ancestor. It will provide a detailed chart on how you are related to that person.

Cons:
FTDNA charges extra for Y and mt DNA tests.Their My Origins feature doesn't seem as accurate as 23andme. They used to have gedcom family trees, but they just had to change that and use a newer system that just isn't as good.

23andme allow people to be anonymous on the Relative Finder data bank. I have to ask people to accept my introduction and "share genomes" often times I do this just to find out their first and last names which should be there to begin with.

Ancestry DNA has a match list that is hard to navigate in the way that it is very difficult to access the back pages of your list. A lotof your matches are anonymous.