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Androcle
18-03-10, 10:14
The site "thegeneticatlas.com" presents an interesting Y-DNA haplogroup tree.
On this tree appear the mutations Z1, Z3, Z5, Z7, which cannot be found on the ISOGG 2010 Y-DNA haplogroup tree.
Can somebody tell me if these mutations are proved ? In which study ?
According to this tree, haplogroups L and T have Z1 in common, G and H have Z3, M and S have Z5, N O and P have Z7.

Genocentrist
19-03-10, 20:10
The site "thegeneticatlas.com" presents an interesting Y-DNA haplogroup tree.
On this tree appear the mutations Z1, Z3, Z5, Z7, which cannot be found on the ISOGG 2010 Y-DNA haplogroup tree.
According to this tree, haplogroups L and T have Z1 in common, G and H have Z3, M and S have Z5, N O and P have Z7.

More Z series clades:
http://thegeneticatlas.com/J1-M267.png



Can somebody tell me if these mutations are proved ? In which study ?

They are not on the commerical websites as of yet & I am not sure if they feel any need to make them availible to commercial companies since The Genetic Atlas is open source not Commercial

(Z) mutations = Maroje Babic, Laboratory Genetic Research, Zagreb, Croatia

Genocentrist
19-03-10, 20:11
The site "thegeneticatlas.com" presents an interesting Y-DNA haplogroup tree.
On this tree appear the mutations Z1, Z3, Z5, Z7, which cannot be found on the ISOGG 2010 Y-DNA haplogroup tree.
Can somebody tell me if these mutations are proved ? In which study ?
According to this tree, haplogroups L and T have Z1 in common, G and H have Z3, M and S have Z5, N O and P have Z7.

LT (Z1) distribution map

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/LT.png

Maciamo
19-03-10, 20:20
The name of Y-DNA SNP is directly linked to the university or company that first identified it. For example the L series belong to FTDNA, the S series to EthnoAncestry, and the P series by Karafet et al. I don't know who identified the Z series though. That's from a paper I haven't seen yet.

By the way, Eupedia has no connection to the Genetic Atlas, despite their having a link to Eupedia with our logo.

LeBrok
19-03-10, 20:44
Is there information what people had spread LT Z1 into Europe? Gypsies, or maybe it has something to do with Adriatic Veneti if the epicenter is by Venice? Sea fairing Phoenicians (Venicians :) )? Mostly located by the aquifers in Europe.
Also the track through middle of Europe and Black Sea can indicate a hitchhiking with R1b.

Androcle
25-03-10, 19:03
No, LT were in Europe before the Gypsies. The main haplogroup of the Gypsies is H.
I think that the Phoenicians carried the haplogroup L in Europe.
In Lebanon, land of the Phoenicians, 5 % of the men belong to haplogroup L.
Read my article in this forum "haplogroup L, the rarest in Europe".

genetic code
25-03-10, 19:23
you are tallking about zoulla research
than you are correct it is not rare in the middle east

Androcle
25-03-10, 19:38
Yes, the specialist of Lebanon is Pierre Zelloua. He belongs to the haplogroup L.

Androcle
25-03-10, 19:43
Excuse me, the name of this geneticist is Pierre Zalloua.

LeBrok
26-03-10, 04:51
No, LT were in Europe before the Gypsies. The main haplogroup of the Gypsies is H.
I think that the Phoenicians carried the haplogroup L in Europe.
In Lebanon, land of the Phoenicians, 5 % of the men belong to haplogroup L.
Read my article in this forum "haplogroup L, the rarest in Europe".

Hi, can you post a link to your article, thanks.