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Sile
06-05-18, 20:12
These incidences of T belong to different branches of T, and are due to separated demographic events but have nothing to do with origin. To predict origin is most important the diversity.

You can see this diversity by looking into my phylogenetic tree work here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Phylogenetic_T-M184_tree.png

I believe you should consider T1a2-CTS1848+ as a celtic marker especially since we have it appearing in Belgium and south Germany..........the Andulusi seems later , maybe celtic migration

Salento
06-05-18, 20:32
@Sile
Do you have any Info on Z19945?
We both have some ancient Illyrian (I think), and there’s not that many of us. Could it be that there’s the Haplogroup connection with them?

Sile
06-05-18, 21:03
@Sile
Do you have any Info on Z19945?
We both have some ancient Illyrian (I think), and there’s not that many of us. Could it be that there’s the Haplogroup connection with them?

https://s20.postimg.cc/rkwgdy1m5/sardi_T.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/p3kp6ohpl/)

These are ancient sardinian sample....second one is ours

All other T1a2 ancient I found are northern balkans or beyond

You are the closest to me from the south of europe, I have nobody else in southern italy or southern Balkans

Alpenjager
06-05-18, 21:35
https://s20.postimg.cc/rkwgdy1m5/sardi_T.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/p3kp6ohpl/)

These are ancient sardinian sample....second one is ours

All other T1a2 ancient I found are northern balkans or beyond

You are the closest to me from the south of europe, I have nobody else in southern italy or southern Balkans

Sile, they are not ancient sardinians but modern sardinian samples.

Salento
07-05-18, 21:11
CTS8862 - Z19945 - CTS1848
Some Geo Locations.10076
Now. I could theorize a migration.

Sile
07-05-18, 21:19
add reddick ............next to myself in markers
his story
My Reddicks are German in origin, having had the surname recorded as Radick upon arrival in Savannah, GA in 1737. Back in the Odenwald region of southwest Germany the name had been Rettich / Rettig and a century earlier the family was named Retgen. Rettich is German for the vegetable radish.
origins in Odenwald germany
.....................................
Do you have a cognome ...Benedetto ...from Toretto Italy ............mother German ..................


....................................
since z19945 formed in 1460BC ..........I would like to know how many steps are there between us

Salento
07-05-18, 21:52
Never mind. Got it.

Sile
08-05-18, 07:44
Never mind. Got it.

I see you are now in my group in ftdna T project.......but we differ by over 20 ...........we may have split apart on the creation of Z19945 circa 1460BC

Salento
08-05-18, 19:12
I see you are now in my group in ftdna T project.......but we differ by over 20 ...........we may have split apart on the creation of Z19945 circa 1460BC
Not disputing your assumptions,
Z19945 is 3100 years old, how do you know so precisely (1460BC) when we may have split apart. (80 Years after the creation)
STR value Differences maybe? Still ...
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Z19945/

Sile
08-05-18, 20:41
Not disputing your assumptions,
Z19945 is 3100 years old, how do you know so precisely (1460BC) when we may have split apart. (80 Years after the creation)
STR value Differences maybe? Still ...
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Z19945/
because it says 3100ybp

ybp = year before present
Before Present (BP) years is a time scale used mainly in geology and other scientific disciplines to specify when events occurred in the past. Because the "present" time changes, standard practice is to use 1 January 1950 as the commencement date of the age scale,

3100 years from the year 1950

Salento
09-05-18, 00:03
because it says 3100ybp

ybp = year before present
Before Present (BP) years is a time scale used mainly in geology and other scientific disciplines to specify when events occurred in the past. Because the "present" time changes, standard practice is to use 1 January 1950 as the commencement date of the age scale,

3100 years from the year 1950
I was referring to something else, but this is also good to Know.
I guess we add 68 Years for YBP.
Thank You.

Salento
01-06-18, 15:31
It doesn’t matter.

Sile
09-07-18, 07:48
This paper
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3692336/
.
looking at Albanians from Brescia ......of which there is 83 in number are split as
.
E1B1B1 = 27
J2 = 14
K = 12 ..........( 9 x T ydna and 3 x L ydna )
R1 = 11
I = 10
J1 = 4
H1 = 2
P = 2
F = 1
.
.
all T with DYS448 = 20 are matching Eastern European peoples ( Ukrainians and Belarus usually ) …..there are 5 of these easterners and 2 are Western Europeans ( Italians and Portuguese usually)
.
all T with DYS635 = 23 are matching middle-east people and/or Portuguese

Sile
26-07-18, 07:23
an interesting read
.
http://www.genlinginterface.com/updates/update-for-l-m20-and-t-m184/

5.11.5. Conclusions.
LT-L298 has not received much attention because L-M20 and T-M184 generally attain
a low frequency among the surveyed populations. Accordingly, the distribution of internal
variation within LT-L298 is poorly understood because researchers generally devote more
time to unraveling the phylogeny of high frequency mutations. More data would be helpful.
For example, future exploration of LT-L298 variations should examine the rare L2-L595
mutation in Europe. Is this a Paleolithic or Neolithic relic?

Another problem with deciphering LT-L298 variation is also associated with LR-M9 ( K-M9 )
mutations as a whole, and with this, how to classify the phylogeny of this paragroup.

TL442
26-07-18, 07:30
Hi
and am T as well as well... TL442. Grandfather was born in Sciacca Sicily ... came to America as a child... I am also currently living in Australia but was born in New York. DNA moves around a lot faster in modern times.

TL442
26-07-18, 07:39
Hi
and am T as well as well... TL446. Grandfather was born in Sciacca Sicily ... came to America as a child... I am also currently living in Australia but was born in New York. DNA moves around a lot faster in modern times.
I made a typo I am TL 446 hence my user name is wrong LOL

Sile
26-07-18, 22:01
I made a typo I am TL 446 hence my user name is wrong LOL

you mean
T-L446
which is the T1a2 branch

Sile
01-08-18, 21:49
an interesting read
.
http://www.genlinginterface.com/updates/update-for-l-m20-and-t-m184/

5.11.5. Conclusions.
LT-L298 has not received much attention because L-M20 and T-M184 generally attain
a low frequency among the surveyed populations. Accordingly, the distribution of internal
variation within LT-L298 is poorly understood because researchers generally devote more
time to unraveling the phylogeny of high frequency mutations. More data would be helpful.
For example, future exploration of LT-L298 variations should examine the rare L2-L595
mutation in Europe. Is this a Paleolithic or Neolithic relic?

Another problem with deciphering LT-L298 variation is also associated with LR-M9 ( K-M9 )
mutations as a whole, and with this, how to classify the phylogeny of this paragroup.

In regards to this .........someone should try to see if the T-M184 and the L-M20 have similar matching places around the world ...........I did a quick check on Italy and there are very many places/towns/regions that these to haplogroups live together

Sile
09-11-18, 22:56
for what it is worth
https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2018/01/18/magi-the-ancient-zoroastrian-hereditary-priesthood-and-haplogroups-i-m170-i-p215-and-haplogroup-t1a2/
.
While the original I haplogroups appear to go back to the Magis of Zarathustra and BMAC culture, the latter T1a2 haplogroup must hail back to the Median Magi from the West. T1a2 or (T L131) has been found as far East as the Volga-Ural region of Russia and Xinjiang in north-west China. T1a2 penetrated into the Pontic-Caspian Steppe of Eurasia during the Neolithic, and became integrated to the indigenous R1a peoples (Proto Indo Iranians) before their expansion to Central Asia during the Bronze Age.
about 20% to 25% percent Of Iranian mobeds or “Zoroastrian priests” belong to T1a. But the great majority 75%-80% belong to I* to I2*. That is Haplogroups I M170 and I P215 respectively. The closest population group to Iranian Zoroastrians are the Bakhtiaris. The Bakhtiaris likewise show a high percentage of Haplgroups G, T1a as well as I M170.

Salento
10-11-18, 01:18
@Sile
We see more and more people lately pushing biased agenda related conclusions, and wishful thinking Religious Book outcomes.
Many are laughable and irritating at the same time. lol
Too Bad. :)

Sile
13-11-18, 21:08
@Sile
We see more and more people lately pushing biased agenda related conclusions, and wishful thinking Religious Book outcomes.
Many are laughable and irritating at the same time. lol
Too Bad. :)
like the Parsi corsicans with T-M184
.
I cannot read french
http://www.parsi-corsica.com/origine.html

Sile
03-02-19, 20:47
3 albanians with T1a I recently found....not related to me, though one is Z19945 .............I keep asking if he is a Petrov from Bulgaria which matches me , but I continually get no reply.
he is from Kosovo , part of Hoti clan ..........no other info
.
next, T1a1 from Gjakova region ......no other info
.
lastly, T1a2-CTS0933, from Vlore, coastal Abania, came from Corfu and stated where originally from western crete
.
I will try to get more info

Emathia
08-05-19, 22:47
Actually there are 4 of us in the Albanian project. Two samples T-CTS933 and two T-CTS8862. I am the one from Gjakova-Kosovo, terminal SNP CTS933.

Salento
08-05-19, 23:56
Actually there are 4 of us in the Albanian project. Two samples T-CTS933 and two T-CTS8862. I am the one from Gjakova-Kosovo, terminal SNP CTS933.
Welcome Emathia.
So what you're saying is that the Z19945 individual mentioned above is not part of your project, and to look somewhere else for his origins.

Emathia
09-05-19, 00:14
Last name Petrov is probably from Bulgarian project.

td120
09-05-19, 00:40
There is a Petrov, T1a2 in the Bulgarian project.
Google Bulgarian Dna ftdna results

torzio
10-05-19, 23:27
There is a Petrov, T1a2 in the Bulgarian project.
Google Bulgarian Dna ftdna results
There are 5 bulgarians on this site who are T1a haplogroup, what is the ID of Petrov?

td120
11-05-19, 15:07
The only name with cyrillic letters...

torzio
12-05-19, 19:52
Thank you
One is a macedonian that went to Bulgaria , as stated ...............he too looks like T1a2 branch

Yaan
12-05-19, 20:32
Thank you
One is a macedonian that went to Bulgaria , as stated ...............he too looks like T1a2 branch

Just to clarify he is Bulgarian from a region called Macedonia, !

td120
13-05-19, 02:26
If you google the Bulgarian DNA results at FTDNA you'll bump into the map of most distant ancestors of the participants (among them are the T-hg's too). A great part will show origins outside the present political map of the country...

torzio
13-05-19, 02:48
Hapogroup T has been in bulgaria since neolithic period, can we confirm if any of these 5 ones in the project are slavic or non-slavic in origin ?

Salento
13-05-19, 02:56
If you google the Bulgarian DNA results at FTDNA you'll bump into the map of most distant ancestors of the participants (among them are the T-hg's too). A great part will show origins outside the present political map of the country...

Don’t blame us. :)
In this thread alone I counted 3 different Macedonias.
even Alexander would get confused.

td120
13-05-19, 04:01
yup...

Torzio, them T's are ethnic Bulgarians . Autosomally not very different than other Bulgarians participating in the project .Minority groups are listed in separate graphs.
There are some among the others with non-Bulgarian parents ,but very few (half Russian, American etc.). Check out the map, will give you a better idea.

torzio
13-05-19, 07:18
td120
thankyou

Are they ancient bulgars that came from the north caucasus or could they be Avars or mabe even Gepid/Goths ?

Yaan
13-05-19, 19:31
If you google the Bulgarian DNA results at FTDNA you'll bump into the map of most distant ancestors of the participants (among them are the T-hg's too). A great part will show origins outside the present political map of the country...
So who is talking about maps? People who identified and feel Bulgarian lived in what is today Turkey, Greece, North Macedonia,Serbia, Romania etc. Just like with Turks, Hungarians,Germans, Poles we are b y no means restricted into what is today Bulgaria. Anyways all T's in our Project listed in the main group are Bulgarians, there are separate categories for Turks ,others and even Pomaks. People from Bulgaria are not always Bulgarians, some are Gypsies and Turks and others, and Bulgarians often have roots in North Macedonia, Greece and European Turkey.
Just like Somalian from Stockholm is not Swedish he is Somalian and a guy with roots in Germany born in New York is not having direct line Native American, but German.

torzio
13-05-19, 19:58
So who is talking about maps? People who identified and feel Bulgarian lived in what is today Turkey, Greece, North Macedonia,Serbia, Romania etc. Just like with Turks, Hungarians,Germans, Poles we are b y no means restricted into what is today Bulgaria. Anyways all T's in our Project listed in the main group are Bulgarians, there are separate categories for Turks ,others and even Pomaks. People from Bulgaria are not always Bulgarians, some are Gypsies and Turks and others, and Bulgarians often have roots in North Macedonia, Greece and European Turkey.
Just like Somalian from Stockholm is not Swedish he is Somalian and a guy with roots in Germany born in New York is not having direct line Native American, but German.

Are these T's bulgars from the caucasus of ancient thracians ?

Yaan
13-05-19, 20:05
Are these T's bulgars from the caucasus of ancient thracians ?
They are Bulgarians. When there are tests of ancient Bulgars and Thrachians we can compare with modern people :)

torzio
05-01-20, 19:15
apparently my sample did not qualify in this site stringent 5 tests

https://i.postimg.cc/FHYCZSbv/veneto-L131.png (https://postimg.cc/Yvwx2hyD)

torzio
16-01-20, 05:09
Gubina paper 2012 for kazaks

1/30 of T1a found = 3.33% in Altai Kazaks

19/49 of T1a found = 39% in Kosh Kazaks

torzio
17-02-20, 18:39
@salento

in the latest ftdna branch split ...they have this

https://i.postimg.cc/KvGH3nbC/ftda-z19945.png

ft62750 are all ukraines, belarussians ............is this what you referred to many months ago ?
(https://postimages.org/)

Salento
17-02-20, 20:28
@salento

in the latest ftdna branch split ...they have this

https://i.postimg.cc/KvGH3nbC/ftda-z19945.png

ft62750 are all ukraines, belarussians ............is this what you referred to many months ago ?
(https://postimages.org/)

It’s unlikely, FT62750 is new to me, but many pages00113 were Ashkenazy from that general area.

torzio
19-02-20, 06:16
It’s unlikely, FT62750 is new to me, but many pages00113 were Ashkenazy from that general area.

thanks

BTW...they moved us around in ftdna T project......only person in that group which matches me in ftdna is Mr. Hoff

I have recently spoken to new T person name Bartosiak who has T-Z19945 .........I think he is a polish-american or a Slowian ( scythian-slav ) if such a thing exists, i am unsure


The more and more I check my line , the more I see a non-anatolian passage into Europe

Salento
19-02-20, 07:12
thanks

BTW...they moved us around in ftdna T project......only person in that group which matches me in ftdna is Mr. Hoff

I have recently spoken to new T person name Bartosiak who has T-Z19945 .........I think he is a polish-american or a Slowian ( scythian-slav ) if such a thing exists, i am unsure


The more and more I check my line , the more I see a non-anatolian passage into Europe

In our group you’re right under me, I don't know if it means anything, or if it's just a coincidence.

torzio
19-02-20, 07:46
In our group you’re right under me, I don't know if it means anything, or if it's just a coincidence.

it means you rule me ...as I am below you


Spoke to the Pole , he has done BigY and is emailing Gareth

torzio
19-02-20, 18:54
In our group you’re right under me, I don't know if it means anything, or if it's just a coincidence.

We do not match in Ftdna ..................I do not know why

nor do I match with Benningfield from Kentucky
nor
the Montenegrian just above him

I am 1 step from Hoff ..........which is useless to me as 1 step could be 2000 years

I have spoken to Lee and his ancestors have always been from York England

and the Irish person is also 1 step from me in ftdna but is a distant relative in yfull

IN18012 ...I was told is a connecicut family ............either surname frost or coleman, but I could be wrong

N184890 .....could be associated with Lee

the Iraqi I was told is from Mosul


In yfull..............brooks and curtiss are my direct matches ........which confuses me on why ftdna separated us ...........there is clearly a difference between ftdna and yfull in terms of matching


It is like in ftdna has me as a 3rd cousin name of Cristina Tax ( who has ydna of T ) of the netherlands .............no idea where they get 3rd cousin from

torzio
02-03-20, 02:06
apparently my sample did not qualify in this site stringent 5 tests

https://i.postimg.cc/FHYCZSbv/veneto-L131.png (https://postimg.cc/Yvwx2hyD)

I do not know where ftdna are going with Big-y tree for Z19945

I now get under Z19945 branch

my line ....plain Z19945 with 33 private variants ?
CTS1848 which I am negative for
Pages00113 which I am negative for
FT62750 which I am negative for
BY64684 which I am negative for

It seems Z19945 is a major snp in the T-L131 branch

torzio
04-03-20, 06:46
@ salento

Yfull just placed the polish flag on that new T-Z19945
gives him these snp so far

CTS10538, CTS9984, CTS8862, Z19944, Z19953, BY143483, Z19945, Z19946, PH3117, Y26649

says he is from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Pomeranian_Voivodeship

actually below is the spot
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Pomeranian_Voivodeship)https://www.britannica.com/place/Zachodniopomorskie


damn ...ysearch ...........I had a another person with T-Z19945 from that land .................pity ftdna , closed it
(https://www.britannica.com/place/Zachodniopomorskie)

Salento
04-03-20, 07:39
probably unrelated, but ...

I heard stories of ww2 Italian soldiers captured/injured in Poland,

after the war ended some were forced to stay there,

eventually many got married (although some of them were already married in Italy)

Many were declared Fallen or Missing in action by the Italian Government.

All this came to light in the early ‘90s, when all of a sudden they came back to Italy with their entire families.

torzio
04-03-20, 07:53
probably unrelated, but ...

I heard stories of ww2 Italian soldiers captured/injured in Poland,

after the war ended some were forced to stay there,

eventually many got married (although some of them were already married in Italy)

Many were declared Fallen or Missing in action by the Italian Government.

All this came to light in the early ‘90, when all of a sudden they came back to Italy with their entire families.

not to say his origins are from there ..............but he comes from Old Prusi lands ( not prussians ) ....but West-balts ethnicity , ancient Warmians etc.....fought crusaders in the 13th century because they where pagans .........crusaders came there only from saxons and thuringians

for what it is worth

https://web.archive.org/web/20120204202555/http://www.vaidilute.com/books/gimbutas/gimbutas-01.html

torzio
11-03-20, 18:25
all ancient T samples found so far

https://i.postimg.cc/1XYZR9QK/all-ancient-T-early-2020.png (https://postimg.cc/fSXPBQk3)

Salento
12-03-20, 00:07
some of my dod k12 distances with some y Ts



9.82862147
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia





10.18438020
Szolad36





11.55739590
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea





12.80411262
R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese





24.88493118
ANI152_Varna





25.80391056
I0795_KAR6_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany_5207-5070_calBCE

torzio
05-05-20, 19:56
Another T1a2-CTS8862 found in Kosovo-Bosnia area ...............no relation with myself ..............matches a russian living in Macedonia who originally came via east of moscow

Salento
13-07-20, 23:39
SNP Tracker
y DNA Path to T-BY143483 (final)

... not a Tourist :) Totally Italian (Roman too)

https://i.imgur.com/68GkCVG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3oOQMOB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qW14Z13.jpg


http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html (http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html)

Salento
14-07-20, 00:07
EDIT ... deleted

... talking to myself :(

ratchet_fan
17-07-20, 00:59
Where do you think the split between L and T occurred?

Salento
19-07-20, 15:04
SNP Tracker
y DNA Path to T-BY143483 (final)

... not a Tourist :) Totally Italian (Roman too)

https://i.imgur.com/68GkCVG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3oOQMOB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qW14Z13.jpg


http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html (http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html)


Phylogeographer (below) vs SNP-Tracker (above)

EDIT :thinking:(probably R1’s Boyfriend) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/6Jb3pVy.jpg


https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/

Salento
22-07-20, 23:10
Where do you think the split between L and T occurred?

I wasn’t around when L and T split, ... I’m sure @Torzio would have remembered it :)

torzio
11-08-20, 05:34
Phylogeographer (below) vs SNP-Tracker (above)

EDIT :thinking:(probably R1’s Boyfriend) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/6Jb3pVy.jpg


https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/


in SNP tracker ...T-SK1480 is placed in SE Tuscany , around modern Archidosso .....................and T-BY143483 is now placed in ancient Picene lands on the adriatic coast

Salento
11-08-20, 06:20
in SNP tracker ...T-SK1480 is placed in SE Tuscany , around modern Archidosso .....................and T-BY143483 is now placed in ancient Picene lands on the adriatic coast
Thanks for the update, in a way, T-SK1480 is located almost half way between our 2 Regions,

Besides you and I, are you aware of any other SK1480 ?

https://i.imgur.com/i1CS9CW.jpg

torzio
11-08-20, 06:26
Thanks for the update, ... in a way, T-SK1480 is located almost half way between our 2 Regions,

... Besides you and I, are you aware of any other SK1480?


https://i.imgur.com/i1CS9CW.jpg


The Polish-Prussian guy from the Baltic sea Polish area ..............who said to me , his ancestors where old east-germans, not far west of modern Silesia

Ftdna has taken both of us under Big Y block tree under
T-SK1480
Y79536 ..................this is its equivalent in Yfull


There are now 7 groups under T-Z19945

Salento
11-08-20, 06:46
thanks again @Torzio

Looks like that T-BY143483 is around the Rubicon, ... wondering if the mutation to T-SK1480 happened before or after the Crossing of the Rubicon :)

Salento
11-08-20, 17:03
thanks again @Torzio

Looks like that T-BY143483 is around the Rubicon, ... wondering if the mutation to T-SK1480 happened before or after the Crossing of the Rubicon :)

I’m not sure of their dating protocol,

... just guessing: about 2000 years ago they Crossed the Rubicon too :)

https://i.imgur.com/i6I9bDA.gif

Palermo Trapani
11-08-20, 21:16
thanks again @Torzio

Looks like that T-BY143483 is around the Rubicon, ... wondering if the mutation to T-SK1480 happened before or after the Crossing of the Rubicon :)

Maybe one of yours and Torzio's ancestors were part of the "Die has been cast" crossing of the Rubicon.

torzio
11-08-20, 21:52
I’m not sure of their dating protocol,

... just guessing: about 2000 years ago they Crossed the Rubicon too :)

https://i.imgur.com/i6I9bDA.gif


are you talking about the Umbri-etruscan war ..............or the Sabine people part of Sabellic people ( they have a higher % of T )
all part of Umbrian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrian_language) and other languages belonging to the Sabine languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabines), such as Volscian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volscian_language), Sabine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabines), South Picene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Picene_language), Marsian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsi#Language), Paeligni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeligni#Language), Hernican (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernici#Language), Marrucinian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrucini#Language), Pre-Samnite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Samnite_language) and Sidicini (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidicini#Language).


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajhb.22677

Filettino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filettino) 11.8% T
Pesaro 11.6% T
Vallepietra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallepietra) 11.1% T
L'Aquila 9.7% T
Fano 8.8% T
Saracinesco 7.7% T
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saracinesco)Jenne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenne,_Lazio) 4.6% T

all central italian isolated mountain towns except for Pesaro which is on the marche adriatic coast

Salento
12-08-20, 01:07
are you talking about the Umbri-etruscan war ..............or the Sabine people part of Sabellic people ( they have a higher % of T )
all part of Umbrian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrian_language) and other languages belonging to the Sabine languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabines), such as Volscian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volscian_language), Sabine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabines), South Picene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Picene_language), Marsian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsi#Language), Paeligni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeligni#Language), Hernican (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernici#Language), Marrucinian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marrucini#Language), Pre-Samnite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Samnite_language) and Sidicini (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidicini#Language).


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajhb.22677

Filettino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filettino) 11.8% T
Pesaro 11.6% T
Vallepietra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallepietra) 11.1% T
L'Aquila 9.7% T
Fano 8.8% T
Saracinesco 7.7% T
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saracinesco)Jenne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenne,_Lazio) 4.6% T
all central italian isolated mountain towns except for Pesaro which is on the marche adriatic coast

I don't remember which tribe crossed the Rubicon first, :thinking: LOL

... I’m aware of the constant changing of dates and migration paths in all sites, ... but just for fun ... speculate about it :)

Salento
12-08-20, 01:20
Maybe one of yours and Torzio's ancestors were part of the "Die has been cast" crossing of the Rubicon.

imho there were two brothers, after a quick crossing, one of them went back North and recrossed the Rubicon in reverse :grin:

torzio
12-08-20, 01:40
I don't remember which tribe crossed the Rubicon first, :thinking: LOL

... I’m aware of the constant changing of dates and migration paths in all sites, ... but just for fun ... speculate about it :)


some of the T samples

https://i.postimg.cc/BQXfLLGw/central-italy-T.png (https://postimages.org/)


all are 23 ...........we are 22, most likely earlier than these samples


the majority came from

https://www.google.com/maps/place/67060+Cappadocia,+Province+of+L'Aquila,+Italy/@42.1619257,13.0393519,9.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x132fec14b9958ef9:0x4094f9ab239ea 10!8m2!3d42.0056974!4d13.254805

Salento
12-08-20, 02:23
some of the T samples

https://i.postimg.cc/BQXfLLGw/central-italy-T.png (https://postimages.org/)


all are 23 ...........we are 22, most likely earlier than these samples


the majority came from

https://www.google.com/maps/place/67060+Cappadocia,+Province+of+L'Aquila,+Italy/@42.1619257,13.0393519,9.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x132fec14b9958ef9:0x4094f9ab239ea 10!8m2!3d42.0056974!4d13.254805

as you said, our line could be older (str), even the Abruzzesi that I should be autosomally closer to are younger.

Salento
14-08-20, 15:19
all ancient T samples found so far

https://i.postimg.cc/1XYZR9QK/all-ancient-T-early-2020.png (https://postimg.cc/fSXPBQk3)

I counted only four T1a2 like us in the y T ancient list, some cool Romans, ... and even a Viking ... :)

https://i.imgur.com/9wXRSa8.jpg

torzio
14-08-20, 20:01
I counted only four T1a2 like us in the y T ancient list, some cool Romans, ... and even a Viking ... :)

https://i.imgur.com/9wXRSa8.jpg


You need to take care as some scientific papers call T1a2 ...as T1a1b...like below ( T1a1 is T1a1a in these papers ).....difference is either a or b

I3403 ( 147 ± 92 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1b-Y21207 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-S27463/)
mtDNA: X2d

This sample is your R39 as per above


another example below of a T1a2 noted as T1a1b

CL23 ( 1310 -1380 yBP )
Phase: I
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1-CTS6071 (x Y21207, CTS7303) (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)
mtDNA: H


.................................

this below is now noted as T1a2

Tepe Hissar C ( 4100 yBP - Bronze Age ) Tepe Hissar CultureI2512 ( 4265 ± 25 yBP / 4846 yBP )


with this summary
While the original I haplogroups appear to go back to the Magis of Zarathustra and BMAC culture, the latter T1a2 haplogroup must hail back to the Median Magi from the West. T1a2 or (T L131) has been found as far East as the Volga-Ural region of Russia and Xinjiang in north-west China. T1a2 penetrated into the Pontic-Caspian Steppe of Eurasia during the Neolithic, and became integrated to the indigenous R1a peoples (Proto Indo Iranians) before their expansion to Central Asia during the Bronze Age.

To me , it looks like around the Caspian sea originates or group ..............i always thought it was on the eastern side near the Aral sea

Andraste
01-09-20, 19:05
Torzio
I noticed in Salento's post a list of ancient T samples which you posted, I see 2x T-CTS 2214 T1a1a1b2 listed.
I am wondering if either of you can help me understand if it is of Jewish origin or am I getting confused.
Thanks for any help

torzio
01-09-20, 20:09
https://jewishdna.net/T.html

start with this .................and then is another site which goes down specific branches of T which are Jewish .......................but your line has no jewish link ( IIRC there was 49 samples ) ........I will try to refind this other link, but it should be on this forum somewhere already

Andraste
01-09-20, 23:00
Thank you Torzio, I can see no link now. I think what confused me was that I had T-L208 which appears often in that list.
Thanks

dahutu
09-09-20, 10:46
Torzio, My haplogroup is T and is in the process of further testing to determine which branch I belong to. I am quite interested to study this, do you have the up-to-date excel file : all ancient DNA? Thanks.

torzio
16-09-20, 19:08
Torzio, My haplogroup is T and is in the process of further testing to determine which branch I belong to. I am quite interested to study this, do you have the up-to-date excel file : all ancient DNA? Thanks.


this site has not been updated for a year

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map/ancient-y-dna-t-m184_362498?fbclid=IwAR0CuvlljjmsQjNbuhKqGoeQmRpbM A7vMC0lSKhUTp1CvZ7Osu4xwOmOR0o#3/47.34/46.58

Note ................Haplogroup T came out of Haplgroup LT and this group came out of Haplogroup K-M9
K-M9 has the following haplogroup.....R1a, R1b, R2, Q, N, O, L, T, M and S .............

TaktikatEMalet
09-10-20, 15:59
I counted only four T1a2 like us in the y T ancient list, some cool Romans, ... and even a Viking ... :)

https://i.imgur.com/9wXRSa8.jpg

Is T likely to have been spread by Phoenicians? Or at least T1a2

Which other y dna would they have belonged to in addition to this?

Salento
09-10-20, 17:12
Is T likely to have been spread by Phoenicians? Or at least T1a2
Which other y dna would they have belonged to in addition to this?

maybe some, ... but probably not, ...

y T was already in Central Europe at least 7000+ years ago, long before the Phoenicians.

imho T is too low-rate and widespread for being spread by a particular civilization or other Haplogroups.

torzio
09-10-20, 18:23
Is T likely to have been spread by Phoenicians? Or at least T1a2
Which other y dna would they have belonged to in addition to this?


very much doubt this, actually 100% wrong ................the Phoenicians began 1500BC in modern Israel ..............modern Lebanon was still Hittite lands until 1100BC and spoke Luwian language in that area, luwian in that area was the last place it disappeared and that was in 600BC

T was already in Germany, Bulgaria, Hungary in the Neolithic times....that is more than 4000 years before any Phoenicians where around ...............

Salento
15-10-20, 06:41
https://i.imgur.com/rxQfmp3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SDA5ikb.jpg

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

torzio
17-10-20, 04:03
https://i.imgur.com/rxQfmp3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SDA5ikb.jpg
http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html


ybp of 360 for sk1480, is that correct ?..............................

Salento
17-10-20, 04:27
ybp of 360 for sk1480, is that correct ?..............................

according to SNP Tracker ... yes,
about:

T-SK1480 ybp 360 (1600 AD) Modern

T-BY143483 ybp 1700 (220 AD) Roman

Edit - Geno Invicta :)

Geno Invicta


https://youtu.be/iy7RLVyCJOg

torzio
17-10-20, 07:27
according to SNP Tracker ... yes,
about:

T-SK1480 ybp 360 (1600 AD) Modern

T-BY143483 ybp 1700 (220 AD) Roman

Edit - Geno Invicta :)


1600 AD...ok ..............knowing my paternal family tree ......at that time my line was in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonzaso

shortly to move east to Feltre and then south to Pederobba


...............................

the BY143483 is also interesting for that time period


............................

period for Z19945 ......pannonian people

Salento
11-11-20, 16:39
... in a nutshell:

y T-SK1480 - mtDNA H12a

23&me - AncestryDNA - LivDNA - NatGeo :

https://i.imgur.com/8dtNwwh.jpg

torzio
11-11-20, 17:54
mine ................do not have living dna anymore nor natgeno


https://i.postimg.cc/jSVvbFYf/ancestry-mix.png (https://postimages.org/)



https://i.postimg.cc/g2dShTtW/23andme-ancestry.png (https://postimages.org/)

torzio
23-11-20, 23:20
a newish map of T ydna by

https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/index.php?searchcolumn=Y_Haplotree_Variant&searchfor=T-

torzio
25-11-20, 07:41
a newish map of T ydna by

https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/index.php?searchcolumn=Y_Haplotree_Variant&searchfor=T-


the one sample I do not know about is from link

I4055 - Plaza Einstein, Granada, Andalusia (https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/index.php?searchcolumn=Object_ID&searchfor=I4055)
T1a2-L490

The period is when the vandals under Gunderic ( king of the Vandals ) and Elisa ruled southern Spain and north Africa ( morocco and algeria ) ......Gunderic eventaully invaded Rome from North africa with his vandal army

Vandals: 335-435AD

In AD 409/410 the Roman frontier was breached and the Vandals crossed the Pyrenees into the Iberian peninsula. There, they received land from the Romans in Hispania Baetica (roughly modern-day Andalucia). Other tribes who also arrived around this time were the Suevi and Alani. The Vandals crushed the Alani, killing the western Alan King Attaces. The remainder of his people subsequently appealed to the Vandal King Gunderic to accept the Alan crown.

I need to get further info on this period and sample


This below was also a leader of the Vandals in the same area...not sure how each ruler fitted

GENSERIC (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#GensericA) [Gaiseric], illegitimate son of GODEGISL King of the Vandals & his concubine --- ([400]-477). Procopius names “Gizerichus notus” as son of “Godigisclo”[17] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn17). He succeeded his half-brother in 427 as GENSERIC King of the Vandals. Isidor's Historia Gothorum, Wandalorum, Sueborum names "Gesericus frater Gunderici" when recording that he succeeded the latter as Vandal king in Spain[18] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn18). The Vandals crossed into North Africa en masse in May 429, although what prompted this move is unclear[19] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn19). The Chronicon of Bishop Idatius records that “Gaisericus Rex…cum Wandalis omnibus” left “Bæticæ Provinciæ litore” and went “ad Mauritaniam et Africam” in May 429[20] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn20). According to Iordanes, the Romans lost the province of Africa to the Vandals "per Bonifatium"[21] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn21), although this does not explain why they arrived there in the first place. The exploits in Africa of "Geiserici ducis" are described in detail in the Victoris Vitensis Historia[22] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn22). Genseric conquered Hipona in 429, and Carthage in 439, where they established their capital. The Vandal nobles rebelled against their leader in 442[23] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn23). Genseric sacked Rome in 455. The Eastern Roman Empire's first expedition against the Vandals in Africa in 468, led by Basiliscus, brother-in-law of Emperor Leo I, failed despite numerical superiority[24] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn24). The Vandal kingdom dominated the western Mediterranean, with Corsica and Sardinia. King Genseric made an agreement with Odoacar King of Italy about Sicily, the latter retaining control over the island in return for yearly tribute[25] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn25). The Victoris Tonnennensis Epsicopi Chronicon records the death in 464 of "Gensericum Wandalorum rex" after reigning for 40 years[26] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn26).

Salento
25-11-20, 15:03
the one sample I do not know about is from link

I4055 - Plaza Einstein, Granada, Andalusia (https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/index.php?searchcolumn=Object_ID&searchfor=I4055)
T1a2-L490

The period is when the vandals under Gunderic ( king of the Vandals ) and Elisa ruled southern Spain and north Africa ( morocco and algeria ) ......Gunderic eventaully invaded Rome from North africa with his vandal army

Vandals: 335-435AD

In AD 409/410 the Roman frontier was breached and the Vandals crossed the Pyrenees into the Iberian peninsula. There, they received land from the Romans in Hispania Baetica (roughly modern-day Andalucia). Other tribes who also arrived around this time were the Suevi and Alani. The Vandals crushed the Alani, killing the western Alan King Attaces. The remainder of his people subsequently appealed to the Vandal King Gunderic to accept the Alan crown.

I need to get further info on this period and sample


This below was also a leader of the Vandals in the same area...not sure how each ruler fitted

GENSERIC (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#GensericA) [Gaiseric], illegitimate son of GODEGISL King of the Vandals & his concubine --- ([400]-477). Procopius names “Gizerichus notus” as son of “Godigisclo”[17] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn17). He succeeded his half-brother in 427 as GENSERIC King of the Vandals. Isidor's Historia Gothorum, Wandalorum, Sueborum names "Gesericus frater Gunderici" when recording that he succeeded the latter as Vandal king in Spain[18] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn18). The Vandals crossed into North Africa en masse in May 429, although what prompted this move is unclear[19] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn19). The Chronicon of Bishop Idatius records that “Gaisericus Rex…cum Wandalis omnibus” left “Bæticæ Provinciæ litore” and went “ad Mauritaniam et Africam” in May 429[20] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn20). According to Iordanes, the Romans lost the province of Africa to the Vandals "per Bonifatium"[21] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn21), although this does not explain why they arrived there in the first place. The exploits in Africa of "Geiserici ducis" are described in detail in the Victoris Vitensis Historia[22] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn22). Genseric conquered Hipona in 429, and Carthage in 439, where they established their capital. The Vandal nobles rebelled against their leader in 442[23] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn23). Genseric sacked Rome in 455. The Eastern Roman Empire's first expedition against the Vandals in Africa in 468, led by Basiliscus, brother-in-law of Emperor Leo I, failed despite numerical superiority[24] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn24). The Vandal kingdom dominated the western Mediterranean, with Corsica and Sardinia. King Genseric made an agreement with Odoacar King of Italy about Sicily, the latter retaining control over the island in return for yearly tribute[25] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn25). The Victoris Tonnennensis Epsicopi Chronicon records the death in 464 of "Gensericum Wandalorum rex" after reigning for 40 years[26] (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/VANDALS,%20SUEVI,%20VISIGOTHS.htm#_ftn26).
y T-L490 - mt U3a1

I4055 Dodecad K12 coordinates:

RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055,6.34,0.29,11.67,0.00, 35.87,20.88,0.00,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

torzio
25-11-20, 21:12
y T-L490 - mt U3a1

I4055 Dodecad K12 coordinates:

RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055,6.34,0.29,11.67,0.00, 35.87,20.88,0.00,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/





Distance to:
Torziok12b


22.17713011
RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055

torzio
27-11-20, 10:27
I4055 comes from an area and time of the Silingi Vandals in Iberia

..............this is the best possibility , but not the only one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silingi

if you check the germanic map in link ...............then the Vandal confederation ( Vindili confederation ) is on the baltic sea

The silingi on the map are SE to the Burgundians , just outside the Vindili confederation ( looks like that area falls under the Suevi )


Following the fortunes of the Vandals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals) and Suebi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi) into the Iberian peninsula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_peninsula) (Hispania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispania), comprising modern Portugal and Spain) in 409,[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#cite_note-34) the Alans led by Respendial settled in the provinces of Lusitania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusitania) and Carthaginensis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispania_Carthaginensis).[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#cite_note-35) The Kingdom of the Alans was among the first Barbarian kingdoms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian_kingdoms) to be founded. The Silingi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silingi) Vandals settled in Baetica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetica), the Suebi in coastal Gallaecia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallaecia), and the Asding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasdingi) Vandals in the rest of Gallaecia. Although the newcomers controlled Hispania they were still a tiny minority among a larger Hispano-Roman population, approximately 200,000 out of 6,000,000.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#cite_note-EB_Spain-8)

torzio
28-11-20, 02:54
on yfull

T-CTS2214 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS2214/) ....CTS2214 * FGC4681/Y4118formed 8400 ybp, TMRCA 8400 ybpinfo (https://www.yfull.com/branch-info/T-CTS2214/)T-Y15127 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y15127/) ..Y19378/FGC40379(H) * Y15127formed 8400 ybp, TMRCA 8400 ybpinfo (https://www.yfull.com/branch-info/T-Y15127/)

https://www.yfull.com/static/css/img/person.pngid:SZ36 HUN [HU-SO]age i new

T-Y15127* (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y15127*/)



https://www.yfull.com/static/css/img/person.pngid:YF06061LBN [LB-JL]i

T-CTS2214* (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS2214*/)

T-BY31173 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-BY31173/)BY31298/Y58222 * BY31188/Y49465 * BY31229/Y55797+51 SNPs formed 8400 ybp, TMRCA 300 ybpinfo (https://www.yfull.com/branch-info/T-BY31173/)

https://www.yfull.com/static/css/img/person.pngid:YF12581USA [US-NC]
https://www.yfull.com/static/css/img/person.pngid:YF03062USA [US-TX]

torzio
30-11-20, 06:39
my father ( result below ) has I4055 in MTA ( I do not )

15.66 - I4055
Top 97 % match vs all users

torzio
16-12-20, 07:58
The conclusion from the Haber paper 2019 is that our T ydna is not african at all .................it is South-East Asian

we belong to the F-M89 group

So where did the haplogroup F lineage go after having left Africa? New discoveries at FamilyTreeDNA (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-6754800-13710356) provide some clues.

https://i2.wp.com/dna-explained.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/hap-F-new-tree.png?resize=279%2C460&ssl=1

(https://i2.wp.com/dna-explained.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/hap-F-new-tree.png?ssl=1)
Before the new haplogroup F branches were added, the haplogroup F tree looked like this. There were known basal F lineages, but FamilyTreeDNA (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-6754800-13710356) did not have any Big Y (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-6754800-13710355) testers that belonged to those branches of haplogroup F and were not at that time making use of NGS results from academic studies to define tree branches.

Since then, among the thousands of new Big Y (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-6754800-13710355) test results, a few haplogroup F lineages have been identified.


The view of the Y DNA tree at FamilyTreeDNA (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-6754800-13710356) shows the locations of the various test results. Please note that people in the F-M89 haplogroup may simply have not tested beyond that level today, and would benefit from the Big Y (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-6754800-13710355) test.
The Y tree now includes the new branch F-F15527 (F1) with four immediate subclades with samples from Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and the southern border of China, as shown on this map.


Finding F1 exclusively in Southeast Asia is significant because it represents the first split of haplogroup F.
Additionally, it gives some clues about where haplogroup F was before it split between F1 and GHIJK, which represents all the haplogroups F through T.
It is also significant that they all belong to different branches, four immediate subclades of F1, dated to circa 48,000 years ago. This shows a rapid expansion where several lineages quickly diverged then and survived for tens of thousands of years until present day. It is very likely that we will discover other ancient lineages in this part of the tree as more people from this part of the world take a high coverage Y-DNA test.


(https://i2.wp.com/dna-explained.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/hap-F-new-tree.png?ssl=1)

Salento
17-12-20, 08:51
... 48.000 years ago around Southeast Asia, ... as he went back West, y T must have battled Neanderthal, ... or dated :satisfied:

Salento
22-12-20, 00:40
new:

Z19945 Bronze Age Italy ... to Iron Age ... to BY143483 Roman Era to SK1480 Modern Italy:


https://i.imgur.com/WLQrlcK.jpg


http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html (http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html)

Salento
30-12-20, 20:55
@Torzio

... maybe SK1480 late migration related:
North to South or South to North ...

under the MyHeritage Bari genetic group I’m getting Friuli-Venezia-Giulia,
Are you getting any Apulian ???

... under 1750 - 1800, Lecce (Salento) genetic group, I’m getting Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, Rhineland-Palatinate in Germany, and more,

... though in the 1600 - 1650 I’m all Italian, Lecce, Marche, Rome, ...

https://i.imgur.com/pXjqDxV.jpg

Lecce 1750 - 1800
https://i.imgur.com/60QAtX5.jpg

Lecce 1600 - 1650
https://i.imgur.com/UShEZjA.jpg

torzio
30-12-20, 23:08
Sorry , No ...I do not get any apulia

The lowest in italy is Molise region for myself



so 1600-1650 is

Sossano, Veneto, Italy
and
a large area on the french-german border , between the cities of Metz and Saarbrucken Germany ( majority is in france ) place called
Saint-Avold

France


...............................

1650-1700 , I get

Asigliano Veneto, Veneto, Italy

Rovaré, Veneto, Italy

and as above in france again

.................................................. .................................................. ...............................................


I already put my fathers results in another post ...so for him its

1600-1650

Fontane, Veneto, Italy

Zernez, Grisons, Switzerland


Babenhausen, Hesse, Germany

Canizzano, Veneto, Italy

on the map he gets Hesse and only this other place in germany ......so I think the french place is only for me and might be some maternal part


Aschaffenburg


Germany





..............................................

1650-1700 there is an abruzzo for my father

Carbonera, Veneto, Italy

Fontane, Veneto, Italy

Fontanelle, Veneto, Italy

Grasciano, Abruzzo, Italy

Lancenigo, Veneto, Italy

...............................

1750-1800

Veneto, Italy

Treviso, Veneto, Italy

Belluno, Veneto, Italy

Fontanelle, Veneto, Italy

Abruzzo gone by 1750

Salento
30-12-20, 23:11
... with the Chieti (Abruzzo) genetic group I also get Bolzano - South Tyrol - Italy:

https://i.imgur.com/gnWdW9F.jpg

torzio
30-12-20, 23:21
mine


https://i.postimg.cc/F1XsR5nZ/my-map1650.png (https://postimages.org/)

torzio
30-12-20, 23:23
my guess is your maternal plays a big part

Salento
30-12-20, 23:57
my guess is your maternal plays a big part

I think we all inherit more maternal genes than the paternal.

Salento
31-12-20, 00:45
It’s not the first time that I get Friuli-Venezia-Giulia, the Rhone Alps and the Tyrol,

... I guess SK1480 must have traveled a North to South path after all.

... (partial) from Ethnogene:

https://i.imgur.com/MkQDjR3.jpg

torzio
31-12-20, 02:00
It’s not the first time that I get Friuli-Venezia-Giulia, the Rhone Alps and the Tyrol,

... I guess SK1480 must have traveled a North to South path after all.

... (partial) from Ethnogene:

https://i.imgur.com/MkQDjR3.jpg


it is more maternal.........my sons data ...........his mother maternal line comes from san stino di livenza and



Portogruaro

3 km from friuli

his mother paternal comes from Gaiarine and Ceneda ( vittorio Veneto )


His

Top places 1650 - 1700
Artegna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

Dueville, Veneto, Italy

Gemona, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

Ovaro, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

Rigolato, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

torzio
31-12-20, 02:02
I once got Rhone area and Provenzal france ....but not anymore ..............I also used to get a lot of French Basque ...no more


your line comes from ancient Liburnians/north dalmatian ...........only explanation IMO

torzio
31-12-20, 02:15
it is more maternal.........my sons data ...........his mother maternal line comes from san stino di livenza and



Portogruaro

3 km from friuli

his mother paternal comes from Gaiarine and Ceneda ( vittorio Veneto )


His

Top places 1650 - 1700
Artegna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

Dueville, Veneto, Italy

Gemona, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

Ovaro, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

Rigolato, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy


Ovaro friuli is where I have DNA matches with the families of Bet , Rechenbach ( with Corso line ) and Hintz ..............Bet family still there, Rechenbach gone to swiss and Hintz is in Morgano Veneto ........I am talking about circa 1700 ............

Salento
31-12-20, 02:54
... guessing: if it’s Liburnia I’m assuming Late Bronze Age or earlier.

torzio
31-12-20, 09:47
... guessing: if it’s Liburnia I’m assuming Late Bronze Age or earlier.


They arrived firstly near foggia circa 1000Bc from what I read ...........

torzio
07-01-21, 23:19
They arrived firstly near foggia circa 1000Bc from what I read ...........


Now

Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands

https://i.postimg.cc/W3TH6fzh/sk-2021.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
08-01-21, 05:11
Now

Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands

https://i.postimg.cc/W3TH6fzh/sk-2021.png (https://postimages.org/)


to get to Firenze I took part of the same Italian route by Train as Z19945, many times.

from Lecce ... 14+ Hours of Hell, I probably mutated a couple of clades into SK1480 right then, ... lol

by Train, ... depending on the time of the day, years ago, from Lecce it was faster to get to Florence by going to Bologna than by Rome.

torzio
08-01-21, 06:22
to get to Firenze I took part of the same Italian route by Train as Z19945, many times.

from Lecce ... 14+ Hours of Hell, I probably mutated a couple of clades into SK1480 right then, ... lol

by Train, ... depending on the time of the day, years ago, from Lecce it was faster to get to Florence by going to Bologna than by Rome.

LOL


I took ........about 3 hours from Bergamo to Lucca via Genoa ............and 2 hours from Lucca to Firenze

Salento
08-01-21, 08:12
Now

Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands

https://i.postimg.cc/W3TH6fzh/sk-2021.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.imgur.com/9TST1zT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nSHA38i.jpg

torzio
08-01-21, 22:51
https://i.imgur.com/9TST1zT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nSHA38i.jpg


what does chieti represent ?

is it

Their territory was placed under Roman municipal jurisdiction after the Social War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_War_(91%E2%80%9388_BC)).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chieti#cite_note-6) In imperial times, Chieti's population reached 60,000 inhabitants but, after the fall of the Western Roman Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Roman_Empire), it was destroyed by Visigoths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths) and Heruli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli). Later it was seat of a gastaldate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastald) under the Lombard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombards) kings. After its destruction by Peppin, it became a fief of the Duchy of Benevento (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Benevento).

I do not recall Visigoths in Italy ( visi = western ) ..........but Ostrogoths ( ostro = eastern ) whose capital was Ravenna ............but they only stayed in Italy as rulers for about 100 years replaced by Lombards after losing a war to them.

Heruli seem like a mix of Goths and Sycthians coming from the black sea ( romania area )

But , papers also say
The Heruli are specifically believed to have spoken an East Germanic language (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germanic_languages). These languages were also spoken by the Goths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths), Burgundians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgundians), Rugii (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugii), Vandals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals), Gepids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepids) and others.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli#cite_note-MR_5-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli#cite_note-MR_149-10)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli#cite_note-11) It has however also been proposed that they spoke a North Germanic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic) language.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli#cite_note-FOOTNOTETaylor1999469-12)

Salento
08-01-21, 23:13
Chieti is my 2nd place myheritage Genetic Group,
1st is Bari, ... 3rd Lecce (Salento), ...

the Chieti genetic group spreads around close to the Piceni areas

Salento
09-01-21, 04:22
... from your video:

the southern border of the Piceni reached into Abruzzo, ... the River Matrinus (Torrente Piomba), ... then Aternum (Pescara) and its river, ...

... that’s why my Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group makes sense:

https://i.imgur.com/SCDtGrv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eZJ61tM.jpg

torzio
09-01-21, 23:25
... from your video:

the southern border of the Piceni reached into Abruzzo, ... the River Matrinus (Torrente Piomba), ... then Aternum (Pescara) and its river, ...

... that’s why my Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group makes sense:

https://i.imgur.com/SCDtGrv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eZJ61tM.jpg


https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapodi#/media/File:Iapodes_in_Illyricum_40BC.png

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapodi

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306134397_Buried_far_away_Easterners_in_Roman_Libu rnia (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapodi)

Salento
03-03-21, 16:07
23 vs LivDNA Haplogroups

LivingDNA trumps 23andme mtDNA :)

https://i.imgur.com/BIe1k0C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EHDzq7z.jpg

torzio
03-03-21, 16:44
23 vs LivDNA Haplogroups

LivingDNA trumps 23andme mtDNA :)

https://i.imgur.com/BIe1k0C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EHDzq7z.jpg


What is this all about ....moving Jefferson from a T1a1 branch to a T1a2 branch ?

Salento
03-03-21, 18:11
What is this all about ....moving Jefferson from a T1a1 branch to a T1a2 branch ?

... that's not what it says,

... the “your” in the images is about me, and not Jefferson.

23 and LivDNA use Jefferson as the y T general point of reference.

... from my 23andme results:

https://i.imgur.com/5ASZyHx.jpg

I can see how it can be confusing :)

torzio
04-03-21, 00:57
Another T match

Surname CAUS ( original )......some changed surname to Causin

3 places they appear , need to check......Venice, Spresiano and Udine

some now living in Brazil

trying to check austrian records, since veneto and friuli where under austria from 1820-1870

torzio
04-03-21, 04:48
... that's not what it says,

... the “your” in the images is about me, and not Jefferson.

23 and LivDNA use Jefferson as the y T general point of reference.

... from my 23andme results:

https://i.imgur.com/5ASZyHx.jpg

I can see how it can be confusing :)

The T project stated that the Jefferson is this in Yfull...T-PF7444
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-PF7444/?fbclid=IwAR2NRyNP0K9BPiLEALRndQKnjw_39VrALhcux_Au-eLL8FUDDISYQ6t-xto

others in Yfull state, state the top ID is Jefferson line ....USA flag VA in link below
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767/

torzio
04-03-21, 04:53
from this paper

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.19.431761v1.supplementary-material?fbclid=IwAR0OW2vGwwsmHJR71h6LxVC7b3pjD4ma mw4MAV9AKVgBuSgndXhDAF-9ZFo

I was given this below

https://i.postimg.cc/3wSJhRdy/old-t.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
05-03-21, 05:31
The T project stated that the Jefferson is this in Yfull...T-PF7444
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-PF7444/?fbclid=IwAR2NRyNP0K9BPiLEALRndQKnjw_39VrALhcux_Au-eLL8FUDDISYQ6t-xto

others in Yfull state, state the top ID is Jefferson line ....USA flag VA in link below
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767/

@Torzio
the 1st Jefferson link is T1a1...
the 2nd Jefferson link is T1a2...

just sayin’ :)

torzio
05-03-21, 07:31
@Torzio
the 1st Jefferson link is T1a1...
the 2nd Jefferson link is T1a2...

just sayin’ :)


I am saying he is T1a1 with PF7455

torzio
13-03-21, 23:47
these are not all of the T

https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/samples.php?searchcolumn=Y_Haplotree_Variant&searchfor=T-&ybp=500000,0

Salento
24-03-21, 04:20
y T Vikings coordinates

VK398 ... T-BY215080 (T1a2...)
VK17... T-Y138678 (T1a...)




VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.0 0

VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85, 12.84,0.00

VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.0 0,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61

VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0 .33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00

VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.5 5,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38

VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30 ,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49

VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54 ,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22

VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0. 00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2 .35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00








VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00

VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4. 67,0.00

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00 ,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23

VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0. 21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00

VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74 ,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05

VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0 .00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28

VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16

VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.0 0,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00




http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

torzio
24-03-21, 05:35
y T Vikings coordinates

VK398 ... T-BY215080 (T1a2...)
VK17... T-Y138678 (T1a...)




VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.0 0

VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85, 12.84,0.00

VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.0 0,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61

VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0 .33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00

VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.5 5,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38

VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30 ,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49

VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54 ,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22

VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0. 00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2 .35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00








VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00

VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4. 67,0.00

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00 ,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23

VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0. 21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00

VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74 ,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05

VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0 .00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28

VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16

VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.0 0,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00




http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/


Interesting is that Balkar origin was the first ancient association I was given 8 plus years ago from DNATribes ...............Balkar is north-caucasus area, Abazin is next to Balkar



Distance to:
VK398_Dod_K12b


2.28707676
72.80% English_South + 27.20% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely


2.30413031
70.60% French_Northwest + 29.40% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely


2.31116802
70.20% English_mixed + 29.80% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely


2.32041397
91.00% English_mixed + 9.00% Nogai


2.37198490
83.20% English_North + 16.80% Turk_Deliorman


2.40465688
92.00% English_South + 8.00% Nogai


2.41783457
9.20% Abazin + 90.80% English_North



2.42418700
35.60% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely + 64.40% Scottish


2.42853886
90.00% English_North + 10.00% Nogai


2.44031696
12.40% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 87.60% English_North


2.44658575
84.80% English_North + 15.20% Turk_Trakya


2.45314411
40.00% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely + 60.00% Irish


2.45341965
90.40% English_North + 9.60% Kabardin


2.45546904
9.20% Circassian + 90.80% English_North


2.47154730
9.20% Balkar + 90.80% English_North



2.47207525
77.40% French_Northwest + 22.60% Moldavian_North


2.47412826
91.00% English_North + 9.00% Karachay


2.49350876
67.80% English_North + 32.20% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely


2.49603742
91.40% English_North + 8.60% Ossetian



2.51064294
81.00% English_South + 19.00% Moldavian_Center


2.52665496
8.00% Balkar + 92.00% English_mixed



2.52871666
8.20% Abazin + 91.80% English_mixed



2.54496788
79.00% English_mixed + 21.00% Moldavian_Center


2.54662778
82.60% English_North + 17.40% Pomak_Greece


2.55147141
91.60% English_mixed + 8.40% Kabardin

Mr. T
25-03-21, 02:28
Y Haplogroup T ancient samples in timeline order. Any additional samples please forward me

India Roopkund Lake B ( 150 yBP )
I3403 ( 147 ± 92 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1b-Y21207
mtDNA: X2d

Lebanon Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: J1b1a

Sweden Varnhem ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK398
Y-DNA: T1a1b2a
mtDNA: H1b1+16362

Russia near Finland Ladoga Varangians ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK17
Y-DNA: T1a1a1
mtDNA: U5a2a1b

Italy near France Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period
CL23
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1 - CTS6071
mtDNA: H

Hungary Szólád ( Early Medieval ) Lombard Period no carbon date
SZ36
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a2b2 - PF7275
mtDNA: U4c2a

Lebanon Qornet ed-Deir ( 1794 yBP - Roman )
QED-2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a - P77
mtDNA: T1

Kazakhstan Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )
DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
mtDNA: U2e2a1

Israel Tel Abel Beth Maccah
I2201, Iron Age, 1011-846 calBCE
I2201
mtDNA: X2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a1a2 - CTS6280

Turkmenistan Gonur Depe ( 3600 yBP - Bronze Age ) Bactria Margiana (BMAC)
I1781 ( 3550 ± 30 yBP / 3841 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: T1a1q

Israel Tel Megiddo
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 1971-1278 calBCE
I4518
mtDNA: HV2a1
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214

Syria Alalakh site
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 2111-1303 BC
ALA015
mtDNA: K1a
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L208

Syria Elba site
Middle Bronze Age I(Eblaite), 2000-1800 BCE
ETM026
mtDNA: K1a4
Y-DNA: T1a1 - L162

Iran Tepe Hissar C (4100 yBP- Bronze Age) Tepe Hissar Culture
I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284
mtDNA: W3b

I2512 ( 4265 ± 25 yBP / 4846 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: HV / HV9

Morocco Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )
( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
KEB.6
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L162
mtDNA: K1a4a1

Russia Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture
IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1 -CTS6004 probablyT1a2a-Y8614
mtDNA: X1'2'3

Israel Peqi'in Cave ( 6150 yBP - Late Chalcolithic ) 9 Samples !! ! Most ever found in one place and 4th oldest samples
I1155
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a

I1160
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: N1a1b

I1165
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: HV1a’b’c’

I1166
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: H

I1170
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T1a2

I1172
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a

I1178
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: I6

I1180
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T

I1187
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: U6d
Peqi'in Cave atDNA notes: Northern origin. They also carry the WHG G allele for Blue eyes at Rs12913832.

Bulgaria Varna (6500 yBP-Chalcolithic) Varna Culture
ANI152
Y-DNA: T-Y3804 (x T1-Y3813)
mtDNA: U2

Germany Karsdorf ( 7100yBP - Early Neolithic ) LBK Culture
I0795
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H1 or H1au1b*

I0797
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H46b

Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: J1c6a

Bulgaria Malak Preslavets ( 7600yBP - Mesolithic/Early Neolithic ) Criș Culture
I0700
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e

I1108
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e

Jordan 'Ain Ghazal ( 9600 yBP - Early Neolithic ) Late Middle PPNB ( 9573 ± 39 yBP )
Oldest Haplogroup T sample on record
I1707
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: R0a
Oldest Haplogroup T sample ever found

Salento
25-03-21, 04:03
@MrT

... R850 Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC
Y-DNA T1a1a T-L208
mtDNA T2c1f

Salento
27-03-21, 06:20
I3403 Skeleton Lake Traveler 1805 AD
Y-DNA T1a2 (L131) - mtDNA X2d

coordinates:
Dodecad K7 K12b K13 - MDLP K16 - EU K13 K15 K36





I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K7b,0.00,27.35,0. 00,0.40,34.38,37.09,0.77

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K12b,4.91,0.00,1. 54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0.00,37.00,0.0 0

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K13_G,0.00,0.24,0 .41,0.00,16.56,0.87,36.11,0.00,0.27,24.98,20.56,0. 00,0.00

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.00,9. 57,0.00,0.72,0.16,44.88,0.44,12.51,3.62,24.82,2.88 ,0.00,0.39,0.00,0.00

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_EU_K13,16.10,8.21,23. 64,14.20,32.79,2.25,0.71,1.45,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.00, 0.51

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_EU_K15,11.31,11.46,6. 92,0.22,20.25,13.18,30.80,2.89,1.16,1.01,0.00,0.21 ,0.00,0.00,0.59

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_EU_K36,0.00,2.33,6.50 ,0.00,0.00,6.11,0.00,0.00,10.17,0.00,0.00,20.73,0. 00,1.83,1.13,1.08,0.00,16.65,0.00,13.26,0.00,5.34, 0.86,2.33,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,3.21,8.48


http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/


https://i.imgur.com/cxXyBap.jpg



Distance to:
I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K13


2.13883146
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R57


2.37934865
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R54


2.49481462
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R64


2.70242484
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R58


3.08019480
Imperial_Era_Palestrina_:R436


3.59062669
Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche_:R835


3.84728476
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R65


4.00051247
Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche_:R836


4.17557182
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R59


4.28486873
Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro_:R136


4.29489232
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R52


4.56857746
Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis_:R49


4.64731105
Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_:R973


4.65300978
Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_:R131


4.69716936
Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_:R1544


4.76908796
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R53


4.89778521
Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R117


5.14442417
Late_Antiquity_Celio_:R35


5.20579485
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R1290


5.50892912
Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R121


5.64719399
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R60


5.73303584
Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_:R970


5.76404372
Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R118


5.96233176
Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R56


6.01774044
Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R122

Salento
27-03-21, 18:29
... by “coincidence” R120 (T1a2... T-L446) ... Dodecad K12 top ancient match has my mtDNA :)
(R1283 mtDNA H12 - Y-DNA J2b)

https://i.imgur.com/vGKZPpS.jpg

R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,5. 11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.2 1

torzio
27-03-21, 23:11
... by “coincidence” R120 (T1a2... T-L446) ... Dodecad K12 top ancient match has my mtDNA :)
(R1283 mtDNA H12 - Y-DNA J2b)

https://i.imgur.com/vGKZPpS.jpg

R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,5. 11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.2 1


is R120 on gedmatch?

Salento
28-03-21, 00:06
is R120 on gedmatch?

I doubt it, ... many ancient sample files are not in compliance with the new GedMatch standard and therefore are rejected.

I’ll try and get the the R120 file, ....

Salento
28-03-21, 00:21
R120 nMonte K36 and Traits

https://i.imgur.com/4vUNTGY.gif

R120_EU_K36,0.00,6.36,1.18,1.73,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,3.18,0.00,0.00,9.17,2.24,0.00,4.30,19.08,0.00,25 .36,0.00,12.20,0.00,6.15,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.36,7.48




https://i.imgur.com/Ggz5GZZ.gif

Salento
28-03-21, 02:32
R120 500 AD - S. Ercolano Necropolis, Ostia

Y-DNA: T-L446 / T-Y6055 (T1a2...) - mtDNA: I1c

Dodecad K7 K12b K13gl - MDLP K16 - EU K13 K15 K36 Coordinates:



R120_Dod_K7b,0.00,20.48,0.15,1.32,34.13,43.93,0.00

R120_Dod_K12b,5.11,0.47,2.10,0.00,33.79,17.98,0.00 ,1.11,11.27,0.00,27.96,0.21

R120_Dod_13gl,0.00,0.00,1.19,0.00,17.69,0.00,39.40 ,0.00,0.52,15.97,24.92,0.00,0.31

R120_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.39,12.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,34.07 ,0.00,10.09,4.43,33.12,5.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

R120_EU_K13,27.93,6.61,22.63,6.72,29.07,5.86,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.36,0.45

R120_EU_K15,13.26,20.63,3.23,2.45,19.30,8.07,26.09 ,6.24,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.73,0.00

R120_EU_K36,0.00,6.36,1.18,1.73,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,3.18,0.00,0.00,9.17,2.24,0.00,4.30,19.08,0.00,25 .36,0.00,12.20,0.00,6.15,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.36,7.48

Salento
28-03-21, 04:18
R120 top Roman matches on official PCA:

Dod K7 and Dod K12 (R1283) - Dod K13 (R107)


https://i.imgur.com/P1GzVmz.jpg

Dod K7b


0.74505033
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria



Dod K12b


2.10130912
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria



Dod K13


4.27562861
Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi_:R107

Salento
28-03-21, 05:46
R120 K36 Map:
Rome (Lazio) and Toscana, ...

https://i.imgur.com/OVkuy2l.gif

Salento
28-03-21, 19:51
I’ve noticed that as the Official Ancient Roman PCA goes, ...the Dodecad K12 top “Distance” might be the most accurate.

torzio
28-03-21, 21:12
R120 500 AD - S. Ercolano Necropolis, Ostia

Y-DNA: T-L446 / T-Y6055 (T1a2...) - mtDNA: I1c

Dodecad K7 K12b K13gl - MDLP K16 - EU K13 K15 K36 Coordinates:



R120_Dod_K7b,0.00,20.48,0.15,1.32,34.13,43.93,0.00

R120_Dod_K12b,5.11,0.47,2.10,0.00,33.79,17.98,0.00 ,1.11,11.27,0.00,27.96,0.21

R120_Dod_13gl,0.00,0.00,1.19,0.00,17.69,0.00,39.40 ,0.00,0.52,15.97,24.92,0.00,0.31

R120_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.39,12.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,34.07 ,0.00,10.09,4.43,33.12,5.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

R120_EU_K13,27.93,6.61,22.63,6.72,29.07,5.86,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.36,0.45

R120_EU_K15,13.26,20.63,3.23,2.45,19.30,8.07,26.09 ,6.24,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.73,0.00

R120_EU_K36,0.00,6.36,1.18,1.73,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,3.18,0.00,0.00,9.17,2.24,0.00,4.30,19.08,0.00,25 .36,0.00,12.20,0.00,6.15,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.36,7.48



Seems like R120 was ancient etruscan

in Yfull T-Y6055 is known as T-Z19917 and is 7800ybp ..............similar times/period to the neolithic german and bulgarian T samples

Salento
28-03-21, 22:50
R1543 (1 CE - 400 CE) Mazzano Romano, Necropolis of Monte Agnese
Y-DNA T-Z709 / T-CTS5299
mtDNA H1e


https://i.imgur.com/dOnFwt8.gif




R1543_Dod_K7b,0.54,32.30,0.00,1.56,39.30,26.31,0.0 0

R1543_Dod_K12b,8.92,0.00,5.86,0.00,21.15,9.11,0.41 ,0.36,14.95,0.00,38.92,0.31

R1543_Dod_13gl,0.00,1.03,0.92,0.61,22.37,0.26,35.1 8,0.00,0.00,28.28,10.65,0.67,0.02

R1543_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.00,10.00,1.33,0.00,0.00,45.3 5,0.00,7.09,7.57,23.94,3.30,0.00,0.00,0.37,1.03

R1543_EU_K13,16.59,0.91,17.01,14.98,40.18,7.37,1.2 7,0.74,0.00,0.15,0.00,0.24,0.56

R1543_EU_K15,4.64,14.75,3.57,0.00,13.01,14.86,39.8 4,7.00,0.80,0.69,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.73,0.11

R1543_EU_K36,0.00,5.86,6.13,0.63,0.00,0.30,0.00,0. 00,1.61,0.00,1.41,23.59,0.00,0.00,1.32,2.37,0.00,2 1.90,0.00,15.88,3.88,0.00,6.32,2.47,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.01,3.11

Salento
29-03-21, 05:05
R850 - Latin Tribe Ardea - 800 BCE - 500 BCE
Y-DNA T-L208 (T1a1a)
mtDNA T2c1f

K36 MAP, Dodecad K7b K12b K13 - MDLP k16 -EU K13 K15 K36 coordinates:

https://i.imgur.com/zgIbatE.gif




R850_Dod_K7b,0.00,32.01,0.00,1.09,39.03,27.20,0.67


R850_Dod_K12b,7.30,0.00,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0.00 ,0.43,14.77,0.00,40.10,0.00


R850_Dod_13gl,0.00,0.00,0.69,0.33,21.44,0.46,35.17 ,0.00,0.50,27.91,13.33,0.00,0.17


R850_MDLP_K16,0.53,0.00,10.75,0.00,0.00,0.00,44.23 ,0.00,5.28,7.74,27.94,1.34,0.25,0.69,0.00,1.25


R850_EU_K13,11.62,6.21,21.32,16.86,32.99,9.34,0.00 ,0.69,0.66,0.00,0.00,0.31,0.00


R850_EU_K15,0.39,14.49,7.18,0.00,18.05,19.14,29.44 ,9.85,0.00,0.18,0.86,0.13,0.00,0.28,0.00


R850_EU_K36,0,1.51,5.87,0,0,0,0,0,6.01,0,0.29,18.6 8,0,0.59,2.02,10.96,0,15.30,0,20.76,0.20,0,2.10,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.95,6.75




https://i.imgur.com/pWZDm0s.gif

Salento
30-03-21, 00:10
I4055 (200-400 CE) Plaza Einstein, Granada, Andalucía, Spain
(Roman Villa Granada)
Y-DNA T-L490
mtDNA U3a1

... coordinates:




I4055_Dod_K7b,0.00,8.83,2.52,4.38,35.66,48.60,0.00

I4055_Dod_K12b,6.34,0.29,11.67,0.00,35.87,20.88,0. 00,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06

I4055_Dod_K13gl,1.98,0.00,0.70,0.80,18.09,0.00,37. 31,2.52,0.06,10.63,23.75,0.00,4.16

I4055_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.00,11.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.1 0,0.00,13.59,9.60,28.96,1.06,0.00,0.66,1.51,0.00

I4055_EU_K13,20.45,18.45,18.77,0.00,21.79,11.72,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.50,0.57,4.75

I40551_EU_K15,8.70,17.77,8.33,10.61,15.49,0.00,19. 27,11.84,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.78,1.73,3.48

I4055_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.90,0.00,4.44,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,14.75,22.34,3.48,3.25,0.00,16.59,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.10,2.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.69,0.0 0,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,10.36

Salento
07-04-21, 02:32
Shared DNA Segments ...
(my settings on results)

Salento vs R120 (Ostia - Rome ~ 500 AD) & I3403 (Skeleton Lake Traveler ~ 1805 AD)

R120 (total Mb 4.02)
https://i.imgur.com/ehjD5Ie.gif

I3403 (2.30 Mb)
https://i.imgur.com/3Qil6IB.gif


https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/FF23utils/pair-comp.php

Salento
07-04-21, 02:49
Shared DNA Segments ...
(my settings on results)

Salento vs: y T Vikings :grin:

VK17
https://i.imgur.com/OYiau4a.gif

VK398
https://i.imgur.com/LsKKoYQ.gif


https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/FF23utils/pair-comp.php

torzio
07-04-21, 03:06
Shared DNA Segments ...
(my settings on results)

Salento vs: y T Vikings :grin:

VK17
https://i.imgur.com/OYiau4a.gif

VK398
https://i.imgur.com/LsKKoYQ.gif


https://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/FF23utils/pair-comp.php


I found you ( roots ) ...................so, name change for you.....Salento Ragner

torzio
07-04-21, 03:19
not sure what the code is for VK398 in gedmatch

torzio
07-04-21, 03:30
G25

Sweden_Skara:VK398,0.129758,0.128972,0.053174,0.03 3592,0.029852,0.008367,0.00423,0.008077,0.00225,0. 001822,-0.004709,0.006145,-0.01115,0.001651,0.022937,-0.004906,-0.021905,0.000127,0.006662,-0.001251,0.011105,0.010016,0,0.010363,0.00479

torzio
07-04-21, 03:33
Target: Sweden_Skara:VK398
Distance: 2.2692% / 0.02269218





71.4
Germanic_Frisii






22.2
Italic-Illyrian






3.2
Germanic_Longobard






2.8
Mongol






0.4
Iranic_Persian

Salento
07-04-21, 03:44
not sure what the code is for VK398 in gedmatch

... that’s not GedMatch, ... see the Link on the posts,

edit: Ged... #

VK398 # PQ6174821

VK17 # EZ7862915

Salento
07-04-21, 05:45
one to one ... vs VK398 & VK17

VK398
(... 25 3 3)
https://i.imgur.com/rJhSe8Y.jpg

VK17
(... 25 3)
https://i.imgur.com/OOHxoFy.jpg

Salento
07-04-21, 07:27
... where there's a will there's a way :)

... one to one vs R120
(25 3 3)

https://i.imgur.com/DdY4ksT.jpg

Salento
07-04-21, 07:52
one to one:

Iapygian_me vs y T Latin R850 and R1b Latin R437 :grin:
(25 3 3)

R850
https://i.imgur.com/2XEMqTF.jpg

R437
https://i.imgur.com/DmdH9tk.jpg

torzio
07-04-21, 18:04
one to one ... vs VK398 & VK17

VK398
(... 25 3 3)
https://i.imgur.com/rJhSe8Y.jpg

VK17
(... 25 3)
https://i.imgur.com/OOHxoFy.jpg

myself and VK398

Largest segment = 4.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 37cM (1.033 Pct)

11 shared segments found for this comparison.

511845 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.794 Pct SNPs are full identical

torzio
07-04-21, 18:07
one to one:

Iapygian_me vs y T Latin R850 and R1b Latin R437 :grin:
(25 3 3)

R850
https://i.imgur.com/2XEMqTF.jpg

R437
https://i.imgur.com/DmdH9tk.jpg

me and R850

Largest segment = 4.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 38.8cM (1.083 Pct)

11 shared segments found for this comparison.

362601 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.172 Pct SNPs are full identical

torzio
07-04-21, 18:09
myself and VK17


Largest segment = 4.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 36.3cM (1.014 Pct)

10 shared segments found for this comparison.

307749 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.119 Pct SNPs are full identical

torzio
07-04-21, 23:05
Interesting

"Haplotype Diversity in mtDNA and Y Chromosome in Populations of Altai–Sayan Region", where T is found among a Kazakh group with 38,8%(19/49). Also, the same study finds 6,1%(3/49) of J2 and 6,1%(3/49) of R1a1 among the same Kazakh group. These results should be related to the ancient DNA results of the Otyrar Kangju population (and also related to the individuals from previous other studies which included Turk, Karakhanid, Karluk population analysis, all very close to the BMAC ancestry like the Kangju) in the recent "Ancient genomic time transect from the Central Asian Steppe unravels the history of the Scythians" study and the earlier "Damgaard" study.

torzio
07-04-21, 23:10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otrar


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangju


The individuals from the ancient city of Otyrar Oasis in southern Kazakhstan show a quite distinct genetic profile. Three of five individuals (“Konyr_Tobe_300CE”) fall close to the published Kangju_250CE individuals from a similar time period and region (11 (https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/13/eabe4414#ref-11)), between Sarmatians and BMAC (Fig. 2C (https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/13/eabe4414#F2)).


During this period, Otyrar was a main center of the Kangju kingdom and a crossroad along the Silk Road (29 (https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/13/eabe4414#ref-29)). In the neighboring region of the Tian Shan mountains,

Salento
08-04-21, 05:06
R120 vs Etruscan (R473)

(25 3 3)
https://i.imgur.com/t2HRRBD.jpg

Salento
08-04-21, 05:15
Messapo_me vs Signorina Etrusca :)
(R473 - mtDNA U5a1)

(25 3)
https://i.imgur.com/KR1Wp4W.jpg

Salento
08-04-21, 06:06
off topic - out of curiosity,

R473 K36 map:

https://i.imgur.com/TsSTX8Y.jpg

Salento
08-04-21, 21:09
... one to one:

S vs: T1a1... R1543 (Mazzano Romano) & T1a2... I3403 (Skeleton Lake Traveler)

R1543
https://i.imgur.com/XSLAoWK.jpg

I3403
https://i.imgur.com/0YYqORf.jpg

Salento
08-04-21, 23:35
... just because ... ,

one to one - Ancient Italian Women:

R1 (Proto-Villanovan) vs R473 (Etruscan)

https://i.imgur.com/vUff7TJ.jpg

Salento
09-04-21, 03:28
y T-L208 (T1a1a) Latin R850 vs y J-451881 (J2b) R474 Etruscan:


https://i.imgur.com/aiNWMI8.jpg


Salento vs R474 Etruscan
https://i.imgur.com/S2wTPEr.jpg

Salento
11-04-21, 01:44
one to one

​S vs R1543 (T-Z709) & I3403 (T1a2 / T-L131)

... vs R1543
https://i.imgur.com/vonfvMU.jpg

... vs I3403
https://i.imgur.com/43jMRvy.jpg

# HM8000490 - R1543
# SE8331548 - I3403

Salento
11-04-21, 02:01
one to one ... Skeleton Lake Travelers:

I3403 (y T1a2 / T-L131) vs (mtDNA H12a) I3404 & I6937

I3403 vs I3404
https://i.imgur.com/fGfkTe7.jpg

I3403 vs I6937
https://i.imgur.com/DtJAUPs.jpg


# SE8331548 - I3403
# FL2511377 - I3404
# JP7368712 - I6937

Salento
11-04-21, 04:55
R120 top Roman matches on official PCA:

Dod K7 and Dod K12 (R1283) - Dod K13 (R107)


https://i.imgur.com/P1GzVmz.jpg

Dod K7b


0.74505033
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria



Dod K12b


2.10130912
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria



Dod K13


4.27562861
Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi_:R107





R120 (y T1a2 - T-L446) closest matches are R1283 (mtDNA H12) and R107 (... kind of similar to a modern Pugliese, I think).

one to one:

R120 vs R1283
https://i.imgur.com/zLAFClW.jpg

S vs R107
https://i.imgur.com/Vanhoho.jpg

# SQ3766558 - R120
# TX7344781 - R1283
# QM2020145 - R107

torzio
11-04-21, 19:11
myself with R120

Largest segment = 4.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 40.5cM (1.128 Pct)

12 shared segments found for this comparison.

304988 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.143 Pct SNPs are full identical

torzio
11-04-21, 19:13
myself with R1283


Largest segment = 3.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 30.5cM (0.851 Pct)

9 shared segments found for this comparison.

474346 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.547 Pct SNPs are full identical

torzio
11-04-21, 19:16
this is still my closest

me and R1


Largest segment = 6.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 123.3cM (3.437 Pct)

33 shared segments found for this comparison.

648286 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.59 Pct SNPs are full identical