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Maciamo
19-08-10, 12:28
De Standaard (http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF20100817_117), a Dutch-language newspaper from Belgium, published an article relating that Adolph Hitler could have belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b, based on the results of paternal relatives of the dictator.

This is highly ironic since E1b1b is the predominant haplogroup among North African, Ethiopians, Somalians and Near-Easterners (Jews included).

Wilhelm
19-08-10, 14:08
This doesn't mean anything. This haplogroup is common in the zone where the Hitler familiy was (Austria and Central Europe) about 10% . So it would be no strange to belong to E1b1b, and it is not an indicator of being less European, it is only y-dna not Autosomal.

Cambrius (The Red)
19-08-10, 20:03
Not surprising but certainly ironic.

Aristander
20-08-10, 04:56
I vaguely remember reading someplace that Hitler might have been the product of an affair between his Mother and the son of Jewish family she worked for as a housekeeper. Maybe there was some truth to the story!
However until somebody can come up with some DNA of Hitler's male line we'll never know.
I believe that male descendants of his half brother Alois live in the USA. Perhaps one of them will volunteer for testing. :laughing:

iapodos
20-08-10, 17:57
I vaguely remember reading someplace that Hitler might have been the product of an affair between his Mother and the son of Jewish family she worked for as a housekeeper. Maybe there was some truth to the story!
However until somebody can come up with some DNA of Hitler's male line we'll never know.
I believe that male descendants of his half brother Alois live in the USA. Perhaps one of them will volunteer for testing. :laughing:

Actually, his father was illegitamate son. There were rummors that Hitler´s grandma Maria Anne had an affair with the son of some Jewish wealthy man where she was working as a servant and that Hitler´s father was result of that relationship. So, not his mother but his grandmother, father´s mother.

Gusar
21-08-10, 15:41
Amongst European ethnicities E1b1b dominates amongst Albanians.

Semitic Duwa
22-08-10, 19:09
^^Yes, as long as the clade isn't mentionned, he could be Berber just as he could be Balkanid.

GIFT_OF_ISIS
24-08-10, 14:28
Amongst European ethnicities E1b1b dominates amongst Albanians.

Especially Kosovar Albanians.

rms2
24-08-10, 16:09
The Daily Telegraph (UK) article says the y haplogroup is E1b1b1.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html)

Cambrius (The Red)
24-08-10, 16:27
The person who wrote the Telegraph article obviously did not do his research - typical grade D journalism. E (Y-DNA) frequencies total 9% in Austria, where Hitler was born. One can have a classic European phenotype and test Y-DNA E, J1 or even L. We are talking about admixture...

rms2
24-08-10, 20:43
The person who wrote the Telegraph article obviously did not do his research - typical grade D journalism. E (Y-DNA) frequencies total 9% in Austria, where Hitler was born. One can have a classic European phenotype and test Y-DNA E, J1 or even L. We are talking about admixture...

I think they were looking at Western Europe as a whole and not specifically at Austria.

But you're right, E1b1b1 is not that big a surprise for a Central European.

It would be interesting to get more specifics on the haplotype and the subclade to see if Hitler could have had Jewish ancestry.

Yetos
20-12-11, 14:11
Hmmm

the myth that Hitler had some relative connection with Jews is it True?

I mean could that E be from certain Jewish families?

Yaan
20-12-11, 14:42
E(V13) is not Middle Eastern. Neither is E in General it is African and European.
If E(V13) is not European R1b is African and Central Asian!
Hitler has a typical gene for Balkan and Central Europe! Descendant from one of the first Europeans!
Typical for Jews are E(V22),J1 and some subclades of J2 ,R1a and R1b

Knovas
20-12-11, 15:43
The fact Hitler was E1b1b, suposed very good news for those who enjoy having fun with sensationalism (and the exagerations emanating from it). When someone is able to show real admixture proportions, then, we could discuss if he had Jewish ancestry or not. Till the moment, there's obviously nothing to say.

Yetos
20-12-11, 16:14
E(V13) is not Middle Eastern. Neither is E in General it is African and European.
If E(V13) is not European R1b is African and Central Asian!
Hitler has a typical gene for Balkan and Central Europe! Descendant from one of the first Europeans!
Typical for Jews are E(V22),J1 and some subclades of J2 ,R1a and R1b

are you sure about EV-13 non Levantine ?

Yaan
05-10-13, 20:22
Yes I am sure. E-V13 is observed in South East Europe a lot in Central,Eastern,South Europe and UK there is a bit. In North Africa and Middle east it is missing or result of recent migrations. All this R1b supremacy do not fly with me!Regards :)

Helios
01-12-14, 15:20
I suggest that the distribution of E1b1b along the Mediterranean and Europe coincides with the Carthaginian expansion. Could Hitler and Napoleon have been descendents of Hannibal? :-)

John Doe
01-12-14, 17:20
I suggest that the distribution of E1b1b along the Mediterranean and Europe coincides with the Carthaginian expansion. Could Hitler and Napoleon have been descendents of Hannibal? :-)
I reckon it goes back mainly to pre history and the advancement of farming. I highly doubt the Phoenician colonies in southern Europe managed to impact the European genepool very much.

MtDNA
01-12-14, 17:50
Did they also test his MtDNA?

John Doe
01-12-14, 18:29
Did they also test his MtDNA?
No, because they can't, the only still existing part of Hitler is his upper jaw, and the cloth that was on the couch which he shot himself on (which therefore has his blood on it) which are in the hands of the Russian government which has so far refused to give it to DNA testing, so one could only test his indirect descendants who share his paternal ancestry.

Maleth
01-12-14, 20:04
E1b1b has at least 5 subclades (V123 (Ethiopia) V13 (Europe and near east) , V22 (Egypt and middle east) M81 (North Africa), M12 (north east Africa / Europe). Its like saying I just ate a citrus. Ok thanks but was it a clementine, Sweet orange, bitter orange, tangerine, lemon or lime? It wouldn't take much to test downstream, but who want to spoil the sensational fun? I guess till today no one bodered to test downstream so no one knows which E1b1b Adolph Hitler belonged to. It neither belongs solely to the Jews or East Africans. Unprofessional journalism at the best. At least we know that Napoleon Bonaparte was E1b1b1c1 (M34)

Sile
01-12-14, 20:25
E1b1b has at least 5 subclades (V123 (Ethiopia) V13 (Europe and near east) , V22 (Egypt and middle east) M81 (North Africa), M12 (north east Africa / Europe). Its like saying I just ate a citrus. Ok thanks but was it a clementine, Sweet orange, bitter orange, tangerine, lemon or lime? It wouldn't take much to test downstream, but who want to spoil the sensational fun? I guess till today no one bodered to test downstream so no one knows which E1b1b Adolph Hitler belonged to. It neither belongs solely to the Jews or East Africans. Unprofessional journalism at the best. At least we know that Napoleon Bonaparte was E1b1b1c1 (M34)

Hitler and the other lunatic, Napoleon Bonaparte belong to the same tree................both mad, destroyers of Europe, schitzo mentality ......brains the size of peanuts

MtDNA
01-12-14, 20:30
No, because they can't, the only still existing part of Hitler is his upper jaw, and the cloth that was on the couch which he shot himself on (which therefore has his blood on it) which are in the hands of the Russian government which has so far refused to give it to DNA testing, so one could only test his indirect descendants who share his paternal ancestry.

Does he have any maternal cousins?

joeyc
01-12-14, 20:31
You won't find any E-V13 in the middle east/north Africa.

E-V13 entered in the Balkans from the Levant in the late Mesolitich period (10k-15k years ago) and spread with the neolitich revolution.

John Doe
01-12-14, 21:43
You won't find any E-V13 in the middle east/north Africa.

E-V13 entered in the Balkans from the Levant in the late Mesolitich period (10k-15k years ago) and spread with the neolitich revolution.
Yes you will, Turkey, Lebanon and Israel count as the middle east, also V-13 has been observed among Libyan Jews.

John Doe
01-12-14, 21:44
Does he have any maternal cousins?
I'm not sure.

Maleth
02-12-14, 09:32
Hitler and the other lunatic, Napoleon Bonaparte belong to the same tree................both mad, destroyers of Europe, schitzo mentality ......brains the size of peanuts

:grin: yes yes, just like Albert Einstein. I guess they preserved his brain to check which peanut species it belongs to :grin:

John Doe
02-12-14, 14:44
:grin: yes yes, just like Albert Einstein. I guess they preserved his brain to check which peanut species it belongs to :grin:
Albert, I suppose that means we belong to the same tree as well. Well isn't that surprising, we have a common ancestry with Hitler and Napoleon in the last 50,000 years. :-P

Maleth
02-12-14, 20:46
Albert, I suppose that means we belong to the same tree as well. Well isn't that surprising, we have a common ancestry with Hitler and Napoleon in the last 50,000 years. :-P

:confused2: lemme see....so Caravaggio was a rebel too....hmm I think I stick with David Attenborough and the Wright brothers :grin:

John Doe
02-12-14, 20:49
:confused2: lemme see....so Caravaggio was a rebel too....hmm I think I stick with David Attenborough and the Wright brothers :grin:
Same here, as well as Albert Einstein.

Angela
02-12-14, 22:01
:confused2: lemme see....so Caravaggio was a rebel too....hmm I think I stick with David Attenborough and the Wright brothers :grin:

So he had some issues! So what??!! :grin:

Seriously, at a distance of a couple of hundred years, I can still appreciate his art. :smile:

Maleth, I'm sure you're familiar with this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Michelangelo_Caravaggio_021.jpg

When you go to Florence, you have to go see this one...A Knight of St. John.http://www.wallpapername.com/thumbnails/detail/20121102/paintings%20caravaggio%205640x6998%20wallpaper_www .wallpapername.com_72.jpg

Maleth
02-12-14, 22:57
So he had some issues! So what??!! :grin:

Seriously, at a distance of a couple of hundred years, I can still appreciate his art. :smile:

Maleth, I'm sure you're familiar with this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Michelangelo_Caravaggio_021.jpg

When you go to Florence, you have to go see this one...A Knight of St. John.http://www.wallpapername.com/thumbnails/detail/20121102/paintings%20caravaggio%205640x6998%20wallpaper_www .wallpapername.com_72.jpg

Isnt that painting amazing? housed in Valletta, in one of the most beautiful and ornate cathedral you can find

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I wish Caravaggio stayed longer in Malta his art is amazing, and i prefer it much more then his succesor Preti.......but he argued too much :/. I am pretty sure Firenze will be my next get away ;) I will be in paradise

MtDNA
03-12-14, 00:14
:grin: yes yes, just like Albert Einstein. I guess they preserved his brain to check which peanut species it belongs to :grin:

Let's not make this rise into anti-E1b1b ism.

Maleth
03-12-14, 12:07
Let's not make this rise into anti-E1b1b ism.

Of course not Madam. My father line is E1b1b...more precisely E-V13. Is it possible you missed the post prior to this regarding the schizos and peanut brains ? Do you really think Albert Einsten had a Peanut size brain :wink:

MtDNA
06-12-14, 17:02
Of course not Madam. My father line is E1b1b...more precisely E-V13. Is it possible you missed the post prior to this regarding the schizos and peanut brains ? Do you really think Albert Einsten had a Peanut size brain :wink:

I was being sarcastic, not autistic.

noUseForAname
06-12-14, 23:09
Of course not Madam. My father line is E1b1b...more precisely E-V13. Is it possible you missed the post prior to this regarding the schizos and peanut brains ? Do you really think Albert Einsten had a Peanut size brain :wink:

Maleth, when u did your dna did it show also that you are E-V13?...i am hearing that it only shows that you fall in E1b1b....

Maleth
07-12-14, 08:50
I was being sarcastic, not autistic.

It rhymes so much :)

Maleth
07-12-14, 09:27
Maleth, when u did your dna did it show also that you are E-V13?...i am hearing that it only shows that you fall in E1b1b....

First results I got from Geno project was e-35 and a very brief history of were it started some 100,000 years ago like all homo sapiens today irrelevant of their haplotype. I did not know much about Dna and had to read through literature but preferred to stick to more scientific based sites as the forums were often a war zone of insults and politically based rather then the joy of knowing history. I also found out I could have deeper tests done by Ftdna to specify to which group I belonged from the many subclades of e-35 which in itself is very generic and vague in the information you get. Thats when I was confirmed E-V13 and continued my research about it. Recently I recieved a certificat that I am E-L542, but no one gave me satisfactory explanation of what that really means.

I was told by the project leader on ftdna that now I can also have further tests to find out from which area in Europe our line comes from. As this clade is spread all over Europe (in much smaller percentages) besides from the Albanian / kosovar / Greek hotspots.

If it interest you I also tried to make an amalgamation with my Surname history, which some Italian sites say its of Germanic origin, the SNP map on FTdna puts us in a clusters in North Switzerland, South Germany and South England and strangely enough on the Scottish border with England. I am skeptical with these maps tho as they rely on the amount of people that actually test in a particular region. That is not uniform around Europe. If not mistaken the French are the least interested. Our surname history has arrived to Malta during the Hofenstaufen period (Monarcs were Germans married to the previous Norman rulers) and was given land tenures around the Island and payed tribute to the Hofenstaufen (Swabian) King of Sicily. The only exact match we go was from a person from Baden Baden in South Germany. I hope I did not bore you :)

Is it an export from the Balkans (Trachean) with Roman troops? (as steven bird suggests) a neolithic settlement. No one really knows as yet

noUseForAname
10-12-14, 21:29
First results I got from Geno project was e-35 and a very brief history of were it started some 100,000 years ago like all homo sapiens today irrelevant of their haplotype. I did not know much about Dna and had to read through literature but preferred to stick to more scientific based sites as the forums were often a war zone of insults and politically based rather then the joy of knowing history. I also found out I could have deeper tests done by Ftdna to specify to which group I belonged from the many subclades of e-35 which in itself is very generic and vague in the information you get. Thats when I was confirmed E-V13 and continued my research about it. Recently I recieved a certificat that I am E-L542, but no one gave me satisfactory explanation of what that really means.

I was told by the project leader on ftdna that now I can also have further tests to find out from which area in Europe our line comes from. As this clade is spread all over Europe (in much smaller percentages) besides from the Albanian / kosovar / Greek hotspots.

If it interest you I also tried to make an amalgamation with my Surname history, which some Italian sites say its of Germanic origin, the SNP map on FTdna puts us in a clusters in North Switzerland, South Germany and South England and strangely enough on the Scottish border with England. I am skeptical with these maps tho as they rely on the amount of people that actually test in a particular region. That is not uniform around Europe. If not mistaken the French are the least interested. Our surname history has arrived to Malta during the Hofenstaufen period (Monarcs were Germans married to the previous Norman rulers) and was given land tenures around the Island and payed tribute to the Hofenstaufen (Swabian) King of Sicily. The only exact match we go was from a person from Baden Baden in South Germany. I hope I did not bore you :)

Is it an export from the Balkans (Trachean) with Roman troops? (as steven bird suggests) a neolithic settlement. No one really knows as yet

Maleth,

Very interesting indeed...and also it came as a shock to me as of how as you are E-V13, with your surname history it comes up it originated from germanic origin...
well humans migrated all around so we might never know exactly and at which period they have moved...could have been also that before it went to germanic regions it could have migrated from south east europe or even south Italy or Malta and then came back again to your region...

1. so except from doing Y dna you have also done ftdna in order to know what subclade you fall?
2. what is the other test to know " from which area in Europe our line comes from"?
3. what is the company who does Ftdna its name?
4. Yes i am interested to know amalgamation with my Surname history

Maleth
11-12-14, 11:06
Maleth,

Very interesting indeed...and also it came as a shock to me as of how as you are E-V13, with your surname history it comes up it originated from germanic origin...
well humans migrated all around so we might never know exactly and at which period they have moved...could have been also that before it went to germanic regions it could have migrated from south east europe or even south Italy or Malta and then came back again to your region...

1. so except from doing Y dna you have also done ftdna in order to know what subclade you fall?
2. what is the other test to know " from which area in Europe our line comes from"?
3. what is the company who does Ftdna its name?
4. Yes i am interested to know amalgamation with my Surname history

It is interesting indeed noUseForAname. So to answer your questions this is how it goes.

Since we know that EV-13 has been around in Europe for at least the last 7000 years, there is also the probability that it spread out of the South Balkan hotspots and the most probable route would be the along the Danube. Pockets of E-V13 have been found in both Austria and Germany Besides other countries in Europe including Scandinavia. The big question is how much of it through Neolithic migrations and how much of it through other evens such as Roman Expansion who were well know to have troops from the Balkans. We know that like the Pockets of Ev-13 found in Wales and Britian in General (which have been attributed to South balkan Roman troops) others were stationed in South West Germany. Of course if DNA reveals the age of the E-v13 there I would be very happy to read about it. So when we say British or German Origin it can mean it has been present in these regions since the Roman era, then remigrated during the period of other movement and events in history. In my opinion Ev-13 is still under researched and ancient DNA is still poor in Southern regions. As Angela once mentioned in her posts that all the money at present is directed towards the R haplogroups story being its the most prevalent in Europe.

Ftdna works in partnership with the Genoproject and the results are automatically downloaded to the company. The good thing this way your dna is stored (with permission) and you can further test and upgrade anytime you want without having to take mouth swabs each time. You can also join various surname and region projects to be able to compare and so on. (they only publish data with your permission)

I still have to find out what are the new tests (as they all come with a cost) so when I get more information I will let you know. I have been told there are further downstream tests that one can have to specify regions.

This is the company https://www.familytreedna.com/

Locally we are very lucky because most Surnames are linked to one individual at some point in time. Most multiple surnames that have been tested have pointed out to the same ancestor so one can freely go back to good number of centuries to the re-population of the Islands in the 1000's and the many events that happened later. The first 10 surnames cover 25% of the population and luckily we have good documentations to give us good indications of the events that happened enhanced by DNA results.

khufu
06-03-15, 17:04
The funny thing is when some say hitler close to somali

somali is v32 son of egypt v12

when i hear somali somali somali i think that somali is m35* or m78* or z827

hitler m84 arab-saxon arab- arians home is bavaria

Did not become extinct Frederick and other of the Arab names in alemanni and other area

there also arab-celtec-anglo m34 m84 PF6751+ PF6747+/- ? as harvey hoyt and clans in scotts

tow cluster under + and jews m84 PF6751-

History books and genes do not lie

thise old cluster in germany m84 PF6751+ PF6747+ and part from v13 under cts9320

Napoleon m34 l791 Phoenician Canaanite

m84 and l791 thise tow branch of m34

I have the genes store in Scandinavia

will put racists in a bind

Albert close to

Rockefeller and Obama Kenya and rothschild

Pharaohs Cluster past name is m35* x.e3b3 mean under m35 and upstream m123

now is z830* under m35 and upstream m123

Maleth
06-03-15, 21:04
Khufu, Haplogroups were born much before names that were created to describe a group of people in antiquity such as Arabs, Celts and so on. Some HG can have higher percentages then other is some groups but the mixing has been going on thousands of years before any group of people acquired a particular name and the name was often given to them by an opposite group.

The same with languages, they are acquired and shed depending on the economic and power of the time as one group dominated another either by commerce or war. (just my point of view of course)

Arban Hoti
12-11-15, 08:59
Maleth DNA has indeed something to do with Ethnicity , in Arbanian(Alb) language AT means fATher , ET means fathers , so Etni means fore fathers bloodline , Ethni-ci-ty means 'forefathers like you' .
Please don't think i'm crazy , i can explain who i know this.Thanks

Rethel
12-11-15, 12:23
Ethni-ci-ty means 'forefathers like you' .

Very good definition!:good_job:
So... true Albanians are only 1/4 of all...:beer1:

Arban Hoti
12-11-15, 15:14
yeah it was a long way till i realized that Arbanians are mixed , mostly Semitic , in those cities that Romans were stationed you could see Semitic influence !!!, but its not that simple , sometimes when i walk around i think we are 50/50 mixed other times i think we are 70/80 % pure , i can't figure it out , this needs a serious study and far as i know there is/was no serious study done , but there are still many pure Arbanians , we used to live in mountainous regions till the late 90s , and we still know our tribes , this is something isn't it , i'm from the tribe of Hoti.

Rethel
12-11-15, 21:45
yeah it was a long way till i realized that Arbanians are mixed , mostly Semitic , in those cities that Romans were stationed you could see Semitic influence !!!, but its not that simple , sometimes when i walk around i think we are 50/50 mixed other times i think we are 70/80 % pure , i can't figure it out , this needs a serious study and far as i know there is/was no serious study done , but there are still many pure Arbanians , we used to live in mountainous regions till the late 90s , and we still know our tribes , this is something isn't it , i'm from the tribe of Hoti.

But you must know which tribe is which.

Albanians are Indoeuropeans. Indoeuropeans came from forefather called R1.
So, it does not matter who looks how, because descendants of IE R1 are 25%.
Rest are from oldeuropean, pelasgian, chamitic, asianitic, and "kartweloid" stock.
Looking is a different thing - by looking, you can judge only women... :good_job:

Arban Hoti
13-11-15, 12:35
i found out what the mother of irony is , imagine a white male(or more than one) going 1 2 or 3 thousand years ago to Africa ,and his profession is a soldier and we know Egypt had white Sardinian mercenaries , and he decides to stay there and get married with a black women because there are no other whites there , he has a son , his son grows up looks brown , not white like his father , the son marries a black women again and has a son that looks now dark brown , now the nephew of that white gold blond hair blue eyes Aryan white skin man marries again a black women and his son is black , now imagine the opposite , this thing happening in Europe , and imagine A white(black) looking European and a black(white) looking African meeting and fighting about skin color , THE MOTHER OF IRONY
This doesn't make me not carrying about skin color , this makes my understand that the skin color has something to do with blood , and i believe that the Albinos in Africa and all of Asia are a sign that those people had white ancestors .Blood doesn't turn to water . Thats why i say and i can bring arguments that the E y hapologroup are/were white , and Hitler was not from Africa neither from the Levant but from the first white nation Arb.

Rethel
13-11-15, 14:50
Sorry Arban, but, I am affried, that this is wishfull thinking. :smile:


This was probably european E-V13.

https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=el&tl=sq&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdienekes.blogspot.com%2F2015%2F08%2 Fprehistoric-farmers-from-northern.html

I hope, it is understandable... :)

English title: Prehistoric farmers from northern Greece
had lactose intolerance, brown eyes... and... dark skin.

Period 5500-3000 BC

Arban Hoti
13-11-15, 17:38
this is the problem , with one finding should we say that all people who lived in that area and all the surrounding areas were dark skinned , me and you now that that can't be true , now i'm asking how old are those paintings in Egypt that show the four skin colors ,white Semitic brown and black , people move .Now i am going to say something about those white people and i know nobody is going to believe me , but you can do research yourself and i know you can do it , curiosity made it possible to go to deepest seas and jungles and to the moon etc , so let me say what i have to say.
The last stronghold of the Arbanians is in the Balkans and there are traces of human settlements i'm not going to say civilization , buy settling down building some houses etc yes , and these traces are 9/10 thousand years old , out of this land in central Balkan a people arise with the name Ar in two forms Ar-b which means 'made from Ar' in Arb language to make , made ,be we say B Bi Bo Ba Br Bere Bon Ban , there are other names always with Ar like Ardi Artan Tartan = Dardan , the Dardans were the Troyans , apparently they had an big expansion to all continents , there are Dardics in all of Levant Mesopotamia through Persia to north India , the Tartars live in Caucasus Albania look it up Tartar river city etc Tartan and Tartar and Dardan have the same meaning , and where there are Troyans/Dardans there are Arbans in corrupted form Alban , in central Asia there was a big tribe region people called Alban , look it up Alban zhuz .A big happening in our language we say Buj ,Ar is our name BujAr means the big happening of Ar , the Bujars were described as gold like people , in Arb gold like is spelled 'Tart' , Tan means ours , , now what could this mean , did we come from Asia , or did our people went there , no body said ever that in ancient times Asians went to Africa , and look it up in the Somalian language the word for 'Race a racing competition' is Tartan , and this is my problem , in the little bit of research that i did i found 100s of Arbanian words in Somalian Nyanja Swahili Hausa etc , now when we look at the Berbers they are white this means that the influence came from the north because if it came from south we should be black and the Berbers should be black , now we talked about Arb and the forms of it , look at the name Berber b-erb-er b-arber , like the name the Greeks called us when they came from Egypt 'Barbarians' its ArbArian , but there are bigger problems than this , i saw a documentary about the first king of Egypt his name was either Narman Namarn or Naman , all of this forms have meaning in Arb but Nam-man is one of my uncle's name , even the Eng word Name is from this , Nam means something more than honor maybe 'renown' , Man means to hold a holder , and the 'name is every persons/holder honor',his wife was called Sadet , this is a peasants name today among us but back than it was maybe famous , the word for those old jars in Arb is 'qyp' it comes from 'gyp' which means 'pipe' gyp comes from 'kap' which means to catch , the Eng word CuP comes from Kap to catch to hold together , now the Nil delta the heart of E-GyP-T has the function to KeeP people together and this is the meaning of the name Egypt we say Egjipt ,CyPrus CiPri means 'new Egypt'!, the name the local people call Egypt is Misir ,we call 'corn' miser , but it doesn't stop , the word for fear in Arb is Frik , now in Africa death is written all over that place , A means it is AFrik means 'its scary' , the word for 'wild' in Arb is 'Eger' , N means 'in' , Neger means 'wilder' not wild but wilder than other people , the influence is enormous , Giuseppe Catapano in the book Thot parlava albanese - Bardi Editore 1984 said that the Egyptian 'person/figure' Thot spoke Arbanian ,thot in Arb means 'he who says something' ,thots wife was Ma-at , Ma means Hold , At means thAT , from 'hold that' the Arb word comes 'mat' which means to measure , the process of measuring means all ways to hold in mind or in your hand the starting point , and she was who measured justice and something else , Matur in Arb we say to a person young or old who can measure him/her self in Eng Mature we know what it means .
I'm sorry if i broke any rule and i apologies because i'm new to forums altogether .

Arban Hoti
14-11-15, 17:34
If you E-v13's ask yourself why are we from this supposed ''African' DNA group i will try to tell you and this is why i registered here , i want to help you in this attack against us/you , as i said 'where are Troyans there are Dardans/Tartans Arb/a/o/ar/er/an/on/ion.
The oldest record of our name that i know of is Arba of the Anak , Anak means people with strong/long Neck(nak) , Arba was the first or most important of the Anak , these were the Philistines who came from the Balkan through Crete , in a book by Othniel Margalith The Sea Peoples in the Bible page 47 the author says 'Arba in the name of the city Kirijath Arba (Hebron) doesn't mean four but is the name of a person/founder etc and its non-Semitic , It could be more than mere coincidence that a number of cities on Crete bore the name of Arbion(Albion) Arbis Arbi , one of which lies at the foot of Mount Arbion , on the peak of which was a temple to zeus Arbios'.Now this is some information , the moment i read this i searched google like crazy to find something but sadly the result was a BIG 0.This means that England's Name Albion is from Arbion ,'ion' like the Ionian sea or the Ionians means 'ours' , when we say 'he's one of us' we say 'i joni osht' the name John' comes from this I-on , the Brits say that Brutus the Troyan(Dardan) founded Briton , now in Briton we find the name Albion and Alba Alban Albania the Brits call some of their sports clubs 'Old Albanian', i even found a Scottish rite called KirKing of the Tartans , remember KIRijath Arba , Kir was a Dardanian(Tartan) king , also a river is called Kir in Shkodra(Arb) region , we like to give our boys river names , Drin is another river/name , now lets look at France , they say mythology to the history of the Franks being/claiming Troyan descent but the proof tells me that its not so mythical after all , here are some names of regions cities etc in France , Narbonensis(arbon) ,Arbon Haute Garonne ,Arbois,Arbonne,Arbanats,Albi,Albias,Albon,Alba-la-Romaine,Alban(Tarn),Albas,_Lot ,Tartas, Artagnan hm my brothers name is Artan it means golden ,we have also a famous name Prenk ! , i par means First , Pari means the First / elite / leaders , lets look at Italy or the other way around Latin(n-ital) , According to legend, Ascanius(Azgan), son of Trojan War hero Aeneas founded the Albani tribe when he settled Alba Longa , who ever conquered Rome they took it from Troyans/Albani , but was the name Alb or Arb , lets see , look up 'Albano Laziale' in wikipedia it says ...Albanum in Latin, Arbano in Roman dialect... or Albenga in Liguria its in reality Arbenga , or Arba-Venezia , Albano river , lake Albano , Alba Piedmont,Albori(Arbor) ,Albano di lucania,etc etc etc , but we find Dardics in Asia even Dardistan those of them who survived mixing look white gold like = Tart , i am from the tribe of Hoti and i found Hoti tribe in Venezuela , in south Arabia Oman or Yemen and in Pakistan where these Dardics are , now the Tartars are scattered all over Asia and i found the name Alban in central Asia ,look up Alban zhuz , remember the Tartars were called the golden horde , there was no Mongolian empire after all it seems , and the Troyan war was scattered all over Europe and more , those who conquered Rome are the same who took down Troy/Dardania .
So by these linguistic and historical proofs we see that the E y DNA people went to the Levant Egypt Africa Asia from their land Europe/Asia minor ,and without a doubt in my mind they also went to America , when we say 'peak' or tip of the ice berg we say Maja .

Arban Hoti
27-11-15, 20:13
But you must know which tribe is which.

Albanians are Indoeuropeans. Indoeuropeans came from forefather called R1.

It doesn't look like that.
In Arbanian tongue AT means father , in greeko/latin pATre in german vATer in english fATher in sllavic tATa OTac in turkish ATa in filipino tATay in finnish taATto in hungarian ATya in irish AThari in japanese OTosan in maori mATua in marathi vADila in nyanja ATATe romanian tATa in sinhala tATta in tajik pADar in ukrainian bAT'ko in uzbek OTa welsh tAD in yiddish tATe etc the word for seed in Arbanian is FAR and the father is the seed holder , in Swedish the word for father is fADer and Far in Norwegian Far in Danish Far in Icelandic Faoir,Farmer means 'where you get the seed' Mer means to get to take in Arbanian E-ARth people .

Skerdilaidas
27-11-15, 22:10
It's very obvious that this ***** "arban hoti" is not Albanian. A mod should delete all his mumbo jumbo ramble.

LeBrok
27-11-15, 22:32
It's very obvious that this ***** "arban hoti" is not Albanian. A mod should delete all his mumbo jumbo ramble.
His IP points to Albania and is Static IP.

Arban Hoti
28-11-15, 04:07
Again sorry if i made any kind of mistake , i'm just a human being , but it would be fair of you to advice and to correct me , maybe i learn and i accept your ArGuMents , if you are Arb you know what Ar Gu and Men means.

Skerdilaidas
29-11-15, 03:57
Again sorry if i made any kind of mistake , i'm just a human being , but it would be fair of you to advice and to correct me , maybe i learn and i accept your ArGuMents , if you are Arb you know what Ar Gu and Men means.
Of course you are lol, I didn't say you aren't human, just said that you are not Albanian, and neither do you speak the language. Your mother tongue is Slavic, that much is obvious. Gu and Men mean nothing.

Sile
29-11-15, 07:23
hmm.....2 people discussing Albanian on a thread about Hitler............was Hitler also Albanian

LABERIA
29-11-15, 12:02
Not two albanian. Skerdilaidas explained very well, nothing to add.

Arban Hoti
29-11-15, 17:39
Of course you are lol, I didn't say you aren't human, just said that you are not Albanian, and neither do you speak the language. Your mother tongue is Slavic, that much is obvious. Gu and Men mean nothing.

When i said i'm human i meant to say that while being human i make mistakes , because you offended me for 'some reason' and i thought that in you mind and by your knowledge i made a mistake , i'm Arbanian you'r right i'm not Albanian i'm Shqip t'Ar , so from the sons of Shqip the son of Ar and we as Arbanian belong to the bigger people who were made by Ar seed Far(Ar) in out tongue B means to make or being made , ArBan means 'made in Ar' .
This shows how much of an Arbanian you are , let me tell you that Ar means gold Gu means tonGUe lanGUage the organ that you use to speak with in standard Arbanian a.k.a Albanian its GjUh ,Men means mind 'ku i ki ment o Shqiptar', so Argument means 'when you have Men/mind you have a golden tongue' Ar-Gu-ing .

Arban Hoti
29-11-15, 17:54
hmm.....2 people discussing Albanian on a thread about Hitler............was Hitler also Albanian

While being obsessed with this tongue called Arbanian i learned some things , one of them is the word/name Arb , now we learned that the Greeks changed every B to V , thats why we have Arv instead of Arb , the Latins change very often R to L , and we have Alb instead of Arb , we know that the 'civilization' of theirs was Greko/Latin so we have because of their manipulation methods Alv , Alvarez , one Alvarez in history started the house of Alba in Spain , so Alv turned a little back and became Alb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Alba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Alba
Now by the making of church languages we see that from the word for father in Arb which is At the Graeci made it Pater , Pa in Arb means without , so PaAter means without a father , because they lost their fatherland , in german the P turns to V Vater in English the V to F Father , so by this way of making new languages from an existing one = Arbanian and by the way L La Lo Li Lan Lon Lin in Arb means to Leave to Let go , Gu means tonGue and Ag means an ancestor an older person of the clan , Lan-Gu-Age Lin-Gua means they Left the original tongue, anyway from this we can say that the name Adolf means AtARB the A is original the T was changed to D the A to O the R to L and the B to V to F, At Arb must mean Arb is his father.

Angela
29-11-15, 18:14
While being obsessed with this tongue called Arbanian i learned some things , one of them is the word/name Arb , now we learned that the Greeks changed every B to V , thats why we have Arv instead of Arb , the Latins change very often R to L , and we have Alb instead of Arb , we know that the 'civilization' of theirs was Greko/Latin so we have because of their manipulation methods Alv , Alvarez , one Alvarez in history started the house of Alba in Spain , so Alv turned a little back and became Alb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Alba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Alba
Now by the making of church languages we see that from the word for father in Arb which is At the Graeci made it Pater , Pa in Arb means without , so PaAter means without a father , because they lost their fatherland , in german the P turns to V Vater in English the V to F Father , so by this way of making new languages from an existing one = Arbanian and by the way L La Lo Li Lan Lon Lin in Arb means to Leave to Let go , Gu means tonGue and Ag means an ancestor an older person of the clan , Lan-Gu-Age Lin-Gua means they Left the original tongue, anyway from this we can say that the name Adolf means AtARB the A is original the T was changed to D the A to O the R to L and the B to V to F, At Arb must mean Arb is his father.

This thread is not about the Albanian language. Get back on topic. The next off topic post from you will be removed.

Arban Hoti
29-11-15, 18:18
All i said was that the name Adolf which was the name of Hitler has a meaning in that tongue which has the majority of E-v13.